Why is the amnesia about reincarnation incomplete?

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  1. Cyrus

    Cyrus Active Member

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    One question makes me unquiet for several months. When a soul gets re-incarnated, an amnesia with respect to all soul's past re-incarnations is imposed upon it. I can undestand pretty well that such a thing is necessary. What I can NOT understand, is why this amnesia is so LEAKY. Is it leaky by design, or just by bad management? What can be the idea for making it leaky?
     
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    That's a good question and I doubt that anyone has a definitive answer on that. I guess it's a mix of both: partly it is leaky for some people and partly it is by design, meaning the amnesia is supposed to fall away once you are "ready".
     
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    The problem is that once a leak occurs for some of us, it may become known (thanks, e.g., to the forums like this one) to the rest of us (who are not yet "ready"), which may be undesirable in the whole. And besides the leaks may occur not only to those "ready", but practically to everybody having access to a hypnotic regression specialist.

    I'm only trying to avoid the temptaion to explain it all materialistically, which would be fairly easy to do.
     
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    Maybe everyone is ready to at least hear about it from others or to remember some parts?
     
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    There and back again Senior Member

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    Getting to terms with this but even my Mom has had some complaints about me since I was little and finding that this is likely the reason for it, rather than the usual (direct memories) for most but rather personality quarks and ways of thinking that is very unusual for my age. These quarks have been popping up at random as I age so that part is an experience, it drove my teachers crazy when I was in grade school.
     
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    But as I see it, the main idea is: either no leaks or no amnesia at all.

    The incarnated souls (as I see it) should believe themselves absolutely mortal human beings, with no afterlife after physical death of the body.
    If somebody has in some way an outsider information that he/she has an immortal soul, then his/her behaviour in this life will become quite different, because there'll be no longer any fear of death. What does it matter if I may accidentally die doing something very risky, if my soul is immortal. Situation similar to that described in Robert Sheckey's science-fiction novel "Immortality Inc.".

    Materialistically, one could affirm, that all this re-incarnation stuff is a rather shabbily adjusted hypothesis with serious logical drawbacks, the only reason for existing of which is our fear of death. All past-life "memories" therefore are only certain brain mal-functions, with exclusively material (physiological) causes, just like code bugs in computer programs.
     
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    Well, there are different possibilities:
    • positive: forgetting past lives might be a help, so as not get overwhelmed by all those memories and to help focus fully on this life
    • neutral: the forgetting might be a by-product of the development of the rational mind which blocks out the easy access to deeper layers of self
    • negative: it is also possible that the forgetting was installed by some malevolent force that wants to keep us trapped in the reincarnation cycle
    I think we should stay open to all possibilities.
     
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    Sure, one could affirm it. But it would not make it feasible. Since there is evidence which disproves that hypothesis, it must be discarded.
     
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    One should also take into account evidence from Near-Death Experience (NDE) accounts, which often seem to have (at least some of the deeper experiences) an experience of being in the presence of a being we may refer to as a 'guide'. Communication is by telepathy and all questions are answered. However, it seems to be a condition, rather than a mere side-effect, of the return from the NDE, that almost all of the knowledge gained is to be forgotten. But some fragments are allowed to remain. One of the puzzling aspects of the NDE in general, is this return, which is often done with much reluctance. One interpretation is that one has, prior to birth, the person made an agreement of some sort.

    (I was looking for an example of an NDE account I'd read recently. This isn't the one I was looking for, but it is interesting (maybe?) https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1scott_w_nde.html
    To get a fuller picture, one needs to examine many such accounts, from different people).
     
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    This is an interesting discussion, but maybe it is time to start a new thread (and maybe an admin should move some posts there) as this one here is about having visited past life locations.

    Maybe we only begin to remember after having experienced a certain amount of lives? Like you have to learn the basics first in school before you are confronted with advanced topics? Maybe this is the reason why some remember while others don't? How many people are there who remember? Thousands? Tens of thousands? Still very few when you think that there are billions of people living on this planet.
    It would be very interesting to investigate what personal goals people who remember past lives have compared to people who do not remember. Are they more compassionate, more forgiving, thinking more freely or not? Unfortunately it will impossible to do any research, as we have no means to use telepathy in such a manner as to see whether someone who "claims" to remember a past life truly remembers or not.
     
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    Lamentably, the only evidence my brain accepts is the extraordinary coincidence of what the hypnotic regression sessions report for practically all and everyone of participants, at least in the books of Michael Newton. The NDE doesn't convince me very much, it may be just the effects of a human brain slowly dying from lack of oxygen. I'd sincerely like to know of more kinds of evidence. Sometimes I think there is a big conspiration on the part of the secret services of major countries to impose materialism and make the PL phenomena seem like fantasies of insane people, whereas deep in their secret laboratories they make experiments in the same direction with the eternal objective: this world domination.
     
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    One of the things that never change if you ask me. Since ancient times there have been people who wanted to hoard knowledge and keep it to themselves or to those who were after power. While there were others who kept the knowledge to themselves because they felt that sharing it would not be safe, lest it would be abused again. Then again, there always have been people who were trying to inspire others to think for themselves and find out for themselves that there is more to life than what your surroundings/the media/what ever suggests.
    There has been research about NDE's. There was a researcher who also aided people passing over. I yet have to read her books as I have to admit, but I think that what Elisabeth Kuebler-Ross did and found out is just a little too much to be ignored.
     
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    Sei grande, grande, grande !!! (You're great, great, great !!!)
     
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    Moderation Notice: The off-topic elements have now been given their own thread here so you can continue the conversation freely. :)
    Stop by the thread Who has visited their past life locations? for the original discussion.
     
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    What did Elisabeth Kuebler-Ross find out? I never heard of her.
     
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    I don't think that there is a "high wing conspiracy" for us not to remember. Why don't we remember who we are when we dream? As we can become lucid during dreaming, so we can become "lucid" when we live in physical.
     
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    I agree, it is basically about expanding our awareness and perceiving more than before.

    Materialist "physical" evidence is not the only kind of evidence there is. There is also "subjective" evidence from direct experience. For example, when you expand your awareness and experience more of yourself (such as chakras or energy flows) then you know that these things exist, even if you cannot necessarily prove it to others.

    Everyone can find their own proof by going deeper and experiencing the same though.
     
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    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    About amnesia:
    I've had many all kinds of sorts strange things happen to me in my life. Some too strange to mention here. My answer to the amnesia came to ... that we experience thick energy in this life and that's why we cannot communicate with the higher places where the memories are available to us. @Cyrus, I know you find the word energy suspicious but that's the only translation available at the moment.
    I've had a spiritual experience in which I was alive but at the same time, my spirit was taken to a different realm. I had a lot of questions that were answered and much more than that, and the silly thing is... I forgot. Why? Because it was not told in words. I do remember that I understood by then, but I cannot recall it, because words were not used.
    It was not the first time in my life. I remember another time when I noticed an (invisible) visitor next to my bed. I was not asleep, I think I was just resting. I noticed this 'person' and I said I wanted to communicate and to know all about this person and where he (I thought it was a he) came from. I heard in my head: It's impossible. I asked: Why? Answer: you're too heavy. Shortly after I got a lot of images and I think information (like a download) came to me. But mostly: I was told what had gone 'wrong' in my life, that I could take other perspectives, understand others this way. It was highly personal as if someone had studied my entire life. But it felt safe and weird. I cannot recall it, I forgot all, although at that moment I understood everything. It was a non-emotional review of all my relationships with people. It was a gift. And the weirdest thing? For some split seconds, I felt as if I were in a ufo. I was standing in front of a large window and it was beautiful. It was highly realistic, very sharp. It felt as if I was really there and then back again. It was as if this was the answer to where he came from. I know, it's all weird, but it did happen to me. These things don't make me crazy, just more pensive.
    When you are in your body, you cannot hold on to the higher frequencies. I guess our memories of past lives are also stored in higher frequencies together with our Higher Self.
    I also guess that for some brief period you can be lifted up to a higher frequency, but not too long.

    I don't know if this is the only explanation to amnesia, but I came to this conclusion by my experiences.
     
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    The way I see it, what we are supposed to do in-body is to increase our frequency, which is also what ultimately frees us from having to do rebirths. That is what all spiritual growth paths are about.
     
  20. There and back again

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    When taken in context the amnesia is a good thing that it allows for a clean slate with the current and future lives, what I am interested in learning about is why the baggage from one life to the next where there are issues and phobias ect are carried over.
     

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