Why so many Nazi reincarnates?

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  1. LifePurpose

    LifePurpose New Member

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    I'm not sure if this has been covered before on here, and wouldn't even know what search terms to use in order to narrow down the amount of results the term "Nazi" would turn up on here. I'm not even sure if what I am noticing is actually accurate, although I have been visiting the forum for over a year now, and i'm really very curious about this...

    In a nutshell, i'm wondering exactly why there seem to be so many Nazi reincarnates on this forum? I am not in any way being judgmental, I just find it interesting that there seem to be a large number that have turned up here, and also have heard references to other specialized forums on the internet as well.
     
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  2. Owl

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    Hello


    Well, i think for a number of reasons.


    First, Nazi Germany is pretty recent, the 30' s were just 80 years ago, so for a lot of us that life was our most recent life. The most recent life tends to be in general the one most people remember the best (i repeat, in general).


    Second, those times were times of high emotions, war times, that messes up with people' s minds, so they have more issues to work with this time around (plus, we lost the war)


    Third, WW2 seems to be a favorite for movies, tv series, deviantart drawings, books, documentaries and even action figures, there are triggers everywhere!


    Fourth, if i was a dutch farmer in a past life and i draw tomatoes when i' m 4, my mom won' t care. But if i draw swastikas she will be at least concerned. I will wonder why it's wrong, i will wonder why liking Germany in the 30' s is wrong and why i like it, and that might lead me to a past life.


    So i think those are the main reasons why so many reincarnated nazis remember their past lives. However, a lot of reincarnated holocaust victims remember as well! the first three reasons apply to them too.
     
  3. Nightrain

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    I don't know if there is an adequate answer to your question; although I could infer that certain highly publicized and notorious occupations are much more exciting than the overwhelming majority of souls who expired while gathering hay on the farm or while wasting away from old age and disease. Ignominious lives are not much fun to report, after all, nor are they good for one's ego. But, like you, I am not being judgmental. Just sayin'.


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  4. Owl

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    I' ve been around the dead nazi world for years, there are indeed a lot of crazy people just claiming to be ... i don' t know... Goering only because they like to eat and stuff like that. But that is when validations come to save you. If you are the real deal you have validations and make enough sense to back it up. If you are a fake/ are mistaken then you have nothing to really support your claim and at the slightest shake you miserably fall. Then those people usually say "Everyone is attacking me" and leave the forum/mailing list, etc. A LOT of people though, have real stories, and they also remember other lives, it' s just that as i said before, the nazi one is the one that they are carrying more issues from and the one they have to work with the most in this life.
     
  5. Sunniva

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    I have also wondered the same thing. Although I think Owl is correct in his observations, I still think it's strange how few Russians, Japanese, British or American WWII soldiers are around compared to Nazi soldiers.

    I think that the Russian, Japanese, British, French and Americans were also highly traumatized by the war. Perhaps in the Russians and Japanese in particular were just as messed up as the Germans. People seem to forget that Stalin were quite equal to Hitler. Stalin can be held responsible for the death of about 50 million people, who died while he was in power and that is only the recorded number of people dying in the Gulags. Today they say that every single family in Russia have at least one family member, who died in the war and/or in the Gulag. It's a terrible story, but it's been completely overshadowed by what happened in Germany. I'm not at all saying the Holocaust was not a horrible, horrible business, but at least in Germany you would be relatively safe if you were not a jew, homosexual or openly critical of the system. In Russia no one were safe.

    Again, this might act as a blindfold. People, who have WW2 memories may be lead on to think that they were German, because they are the most exposed. If you have memories of fighting at Stalingrad you might as well have been Russian, but you're mind goes with what is 'familiar'. Everyone knows how a Nazi uniform looked, but not that many knows how a Russian or Japanese uniform looked (without googling ;) ). Also, as I wrote above people are much more familiar with German history during WW2 than they are with Russian history during the same period.


    PS. I don't mean to discredit anyone specific or their memories : angel These are just my own thoughts regarding the question :)
     
  6. Deborah

    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    Hi Lifepurpose,


    You might also be interested in the work of Dr Wambach. She has some great statistics.
     
  7. Owl

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    It was terrible for them too, however, except for the Japanese, they won the war, and i somehow think that' s an important factor. Because yeah, they might have died in 1943 but... in the end, those countries won. If you gave everything and on top of that you lost the war, it' s more traumatizing. I also have the theory that Russians and Japanese tend to reborn in the same countries, maybe if we go to Russian or Japanese reincarnation forums we' ll find more people who fought for those countries. Russians could very well speak English though as well as Japanese and come here, but i don't know, some cultures, even though they believe in reincarnation they don' t really care about it too much. All Latin America for example, i haven' t found a single forum in Spanish all about reincarnation, and there IS people who believe in it, it' s just that they prefer to believe that psychics or simple computer programs can tell them about past lives.

    A lot of people too have issues from what happened after the war or in the last months of it.

    That' s true, but i think that could easily be proved with validations. For example, movies are totally inaccurate, if somebody remembers being in Auschwitz and wearing the black SS uniform it' s probably not a memory, or a memory highly influenced by the media, since it was not the color that we used, but in movies it' s portrayed that way a lot of times.
     
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    You don't know how many times I asked that question to myself... : angel


    Well, WW2 is pretty recent.. And I would say the Nazis have a lot to heal from.. But then again, where are the Japanese soldiers..? And Chinese? They have lots too. And the Russians also suffered a lot under the brutal USSR.


    I believe I have found a few Japanese and Russians.. But they are in total denial of reincarnation.. But I think Owl is pretty accurate on the subject.. :laugh:
     
  9. inhaltslos

    inhaltslos Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    A few thoughts, and I'll add that this isn't meant to discourage nor encourage anyone's claim here on CPL:


    As someone who has spent over twenty years researching and documenting their own past in Nazi Germany and another six talking about it online, I can tell you that there has been a population explosion of Nazi past lives. It used to be where you really had to hunt and poke to find others, or you stayed silent because you felt out of place, but those times have long passed.


    I think one reason is that some with a true Nazi past life have come of age and have started searching, but another BIG reason is Nazi Germany's presence in popular culture. I have noticed the two main themes in these newer claims: people feel they either worked at Auschwitz or they were high up in the SS...and these two things are the most notorious, sort of like what Nightrain mentioned.


    Doesn't mean these people weren't necessarily there in that particular time, but we need to keep in mind that they possibly feel what they do because it is what they know best (for example, latch onto the idea of Auschwitz-Birkenau as opposed to another camp).


    It is also good to remember that when someone is first starting out and remembers that era, frequently the first reaction is, 'Oh no...I was a Nazi!', but in time the person realizes they were the supportive wife, an observant child, a victim, or a soldier that wasn't necessarily a die hard National Socialist. To figure this out takes time, and since this forum is large and well known it could be that newer members in this preliminary, knee-jerk reaction phase are coming here. This itself may skew how it looks.
     
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    Well from my own candid and layman's point of view, I think it also ties into the question of "why does everyone remember a famous past life?" along with the larger issue of cryptomnesia and malingering for attention.


    I think it's a difficult issue to unravel. On one hand, for most of the years since WWII, Nazism has been associated with radical and extremist groups. During those years, someone with honest memories most likely would have suppressed them.


    However these days we have an opposite problem where most of the negativity surrounding Nazism has faded, it's found it's way into many things from clothing musicians wear, to video games, and even the Prince Harry indecent.


    The larger issue with it is quite obviously that Nazi regalia was designed to have an aesthetic impact because it's a form of propaganda. Divorced from it's previous context, it's easy to see that it has a bit of a "cool" factor about it.


    And seeing in how that subcultures have come to the forefront and replaced the traditional cliques of young people, it's easy in my mind to visualize someone playing a video game as a SS soldier and getting caught up in the fantasy of it.


    On a side, note, being a history buff myself, I once looked into WWII reenacting, and surprisingly, there were more SS and Wehrmacht units than Army or Marines, in America no less. And even more interestingly, also being a SCI Fi buff, I know there are more Empire cosplayers than there are rebels for the folks into Star Wars. I think there's something subtly telling in that.


    And on a final anecdote, I used to be really into gothic and industrial music which tends to use a lot of militaristic and Nazi imagery. A friend of mine got married to a man from Germany and one day, quite frankly, he asked me "you don't agree with any of that stuff (meaning the military overtones) so why do you like it so much?"


    It was a simple question, but a deep one. This was a man who had family members in the Wehrmacht. It was obvious to him about the danger of imagery, ideology and accepting something for granted. His question changed the way I thought about what I was doing.


    Drawing on that, I think the difference in having actual memories is that they come without the romanticism we attach to imaginary ones. As it's been repeated many times on the forum, even famous (or infamous) people, were just people. If you couldn't find or validate any mundane, boring or otherwise unpublicized secondary details and memories about a suspected past self, I would seriously question what memories you did claim to have.


    In general that is, not pointing fingers. :thumbsup:
     
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    Wait, Prince Harry wore a Nazi suit....?! I'm too outdated here...


    Any way, I wanted to add that.. I never wanted to be a Nazi, trust me. Especially who I was. When I first started, I actually wanted to be a French Resistance. But I can't deny that memory.. As it was my first regression memory, and I wasn't influenced by anything except Call of Duty 3. (Yes, French Resistance...)


    Even here, where the Holocaust is not taught. You should've seen the teenagers here.. Wearing the Nazi swastika and in full view. I'm guessing its labelled 'cool' with teenagers.. They even cosplay in a full Nazi uniform! What I was surprise was the detail the dude added to his medals.


    I have also noticed that a lot of guys who claim to be Nazis, they say to be in the KZ or high in the SS. Honestly, maybe its cause many guys work there..(?) I'm not so sure.. But mostly images of KZ's I get are more symbolic than real. Maybe its cause everyone wants somewhere to fit. And honestly, Concentration camps and high in the SS are the most common things featured in movies, documentaries, etc etc..


    My role in Nazi Germany is not atrocious at all. Which I am very thankful for. Still.. Being part of it, gives me the chills no matter what..
     
  12. Nightrain

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    Although I should be careful not to paint this issue with too broad a brush, I will venture to say that many people are into putting on certain clothing and regalia just to p_ss other people off. I observed my own sons during a very long period when they would do and say anything just to get an emotional reaction from strangers as well as each other; and it would involve anything considered offensive including mutilated baby dolls, heavy-metal music (if it can be called music), vulgarity, drugs, and devil worship. Some of their Jewish friends even participated in the shock value of wearing Nazi paraphernalia.


    In addition I have observed that it is quite natural for people to "try on" different identities throughout their lives in order to explore different ways of thinking, or because they want to get others to react favorably. Its much like a child wearing batman jammies or playing at being a fireman, cowboy or catwoman. I would even dare to say that there are a great many adults who lack personal identity and are desperatly willing to appropriate one for themselves by borrowing one from the past.


    Then, there are those who truly remember being in or near a similar situation and who find such an identity hard to escape. But, I see danger there as well; for, as I've stated in other posts, I think the true message of Reincarnation is to move forward with what we have learned.
     
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    Thanks for all the replies!


    Wow...where have *I* been - under a rock? :confused:


    I had no idea that there were so many role-playing, re-enactment groups, music and clothing trends that referred to Nazis! I actually have only seen evidence of an "explosion" of sorts here on the board, and had no idea it mirrored trends in modern society.


    All your answers and viewpoints are much appreciated; i really enjoyed getting everyone's unique perspectives and opinions. :thumbsup:
     
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    I don't think anyone should hastily push all those who may possibly be considering the fact that they may have a past life in nazi germany (no matter the roll), into one category.


    What everyone needs to consider and look at is. Can they prove themselves? Fan Girls and Fan Boys of the third reich and the nazis will eventually out themselves on it. Is the person who is claiming such a life able to prove with verifications? Memories? (That don't sound like a james bond movie or the inglorious basterds movie) Memories that are historically accurate? Can they be validated by others who were there a remember? What kind of memories are they having? Or do they seem more interested in the sex, fame, glory and hoopla surrounding the topic? Does the person seem sane, or do they go on all sorts of crazy this is my newest identity claims? While I am not saying that someone can not be wrong about their identity and that makes them a crazy, no. That happens, and it isn't discredible, unless they continue to do so and it sounds like a fantasy role play.
     
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    inhaltslos Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    All of these valid points are things to take into consideration when evaluating a Nazi past life claim, whether it is yours or a friend's. I'm not saying 'you' in particular, Life Purpose, but for anyone reading this.


    Not every reenactor or Deviant Art member who draws cute little Nazis were there. And the real folks there don't necessarily reenact nor enjoy cuddly Nazi drawings. I never had even heard of reenacting until maybe 4, 5 years ago. I guess I was under a rock, too.


    All these stereotypes, we not only face them when 'coming out' on a forum, but we are automatically suspicious when encountering another claimant ourselves.


    Like mentioned above, don't paint all claims with the same brush. And like Rembrandt mentioned, look for those verifications. Anyone worth their salt will have something beyond a movie.


    If you ever have further questions, feel free to message me.
     
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    I think we' re dealing here with a subject that cannot be fully comprehended by somebody who didn' t live during those times. Outsiders will see it as fashion and teenage rebellion (even though most of us are at least over 20), neonazis and confused teenagers will see it as cool. And people with doubtful sanity will just believe they were Himmler, Stalin and Hiroito at the same time. All those things happen, yes. There are WWII reenactments, yes, but so are a lot of Civil war reenactments.


    In the meanwhile, and seconding what Rembrandt was saying, we are the ones who have to live with it, and UNLIKE dead Nazi fans/wannabes :


    _ Your past doesn' t go away when you' re not thinking about it, it will follow you everywhere, who you are now is the result of your past actions.


    _ You catch yourself with ideas from another times, they are yours, yes, but when did you learn them?


    _ You miss your times, just like everyone else who remembers (or doesn' t remember) a past life does. And what do you miss? heiling with Julius Streicher in the Sports Stadium or playing king of the Kz? NO!, except you are delutional. We miss simple things just like any of you does with your own respective times, we miss our culture, we miss our land, we miss our loved ones, we miss what' s familiar to us.


    This life is important, yes. But you are not just THIS LIFE, you are the results of ALL YOUR PAST, that you carry as baggage. Do we just have to look at the present and the future? well of course not! We have to look at the whole picture. If i have amnesia and i have no idea what i did before today, then i don' t know who i am. Then i don' t know why i react the way i do, i don' t know what' s behind my emotions, i' m totally unpredictable for myself.


    So i personally find the course this thread is taking , a bit disrespectful for all of us who genuinely have a past life during those times. I' m not gonna say there are no fake claims because there are, a lot. But experience in the reincarnation community and in forums in general are enough to tell who is true and who is not. We are not just a bunch of confused teenagers asking for attention. And the ones who are, are obvious.


    There are also in the reincarnation world enough Titanic passengers to sink any ship and enough Romanovs to take over Russia again.


    So please, be careful when putting us all in the same bag.
     
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    I was watching a documentary on Nazi war criminals and the people who are catching them. One man, whose name I did not catch, was sitting at a table and I was shocked at how much he looked like my Grandfather, who is of German ancestry but who was here during the war.


    It made me wonder if there is a family genealogical connection, but I am not so sure I want to know.


    I do enjoy reading the memories of those who have PL memories as Nazis and other Germans as it feels like I am learning history first hand. I do not, however, feel anyone with those memories are guilty of whatever crimes their PL men did.


    As for why so many of them are on this site, it is possible they did an internet search and this site popped up. Finding others with similar memories, they stayed to learn from each other, and to share with the others on the site.


    However they found their way here, I am certainly glad they did. :thumbsup:
     
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    There's no disrespect intended and yes, I agree with you, it's obvious to those with a critical eye.


    However the topic was broached and it's a legitimate question that bears discussing. And for the sake of discussion, it's just as easy to replace Nazi with anything else (as you mentioned yourself), that's just the particular circumstance that was raised.


    If anything, in my argument I was trying to discuss how it's easy to be focused on something and to point out the error of assuming it's a fact about one's self without secondary research and validation. Being a reenactor can be a clue to a past life, but it's not the same thing as having a valid memory of someone during that time period, for instance, no one can obviously be an Imperial TIE pilot.


    You're right, this sort of stuff to anyone should be obvious, but to many it's not. And at least for the sake of the people that will find it helpful, it's worth discussing.


    As long as we stay on topic and respectful that is :D
     
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    Oh don' t take me wrong, i' m not saying the thread should be closed or anything like that. I think the question is valid as well. I just don' t want to be labeled (or anyone else in my situation) " angry disturbed attention seeker teenager" just for remembering a past life in Nazi Germany. Because as i said before, there is a difference between being that and remembering for real.
     
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    there was no threat of that! I just meant I (or the forum team) wouldn't want to see a heated, personal argument take place instead of focus on the points raised.


    there is quite a difference and I do think it's something to be conscious of. when we're talking about having memories of belonging to a big group of people (such as German soldiers, Samurai, members of congress etc.) it's easier to suffer the effects of cryptomnesia without validating secondary information. or at least, you'll have to work harder to rule that out.


    Just from my casual and relatively new experience with past lives, it seems frequently people casually accept an assumption with a critical analysis. That's not related solely to this forum, but it seems to be a daily state of mind for most people.


    I apologize if "attention seeker" got thrown in there. It may be a fact of life, but it may have also distracted the intent of the discussion.
     

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