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Hi Speedwell,
Ideas along this line have been discussed at one time or another in this very long thread. However, according to John, the "sun gods" do not use spacecraft to travel vast distances, they travel "within the light" as spirits and there are apparently the equivalent of highways of light for this purpose. Whether these are highways of physical light or some other form of "light" I do not know. However, they apparently travel at an enormous velocity, whether at the speed of light or even greater (somehow), but when they arrive at a distant destination, another star perhaps, they must embody the way the rest of us do. There seem to be special conditions for this, namely the preparation of suitable "host" mothers. However, there are a lot of unanswered questions and mysteries about them here as elsewhere.
Nonetheless, the idea of a light in the sky similar to a "second sun" make me recall the work of Dr. Robert Forward on laser driven light sails for traveling between stars. Dr. Forward's work shows one way we could make star travel work and leave a lot of the weight of fuel and engines behind. He proposed enormous lasers or enormous banks of lasers using great coherent light beams to drive light sail space craft across the void, reaching tremendous velocities.
In this case, I am wondering whether the "sun gods" might have used something like this as a specialized "highway" between the stars to travel from wherever they came from originally to earth, and whether (even at interstellar distances) such a beam wouldn't look like a bright light shining in the sky. The beam might not even be continuous, it could be in a long enough pulse to make a sustained light in the sky when it arrived, and bear its passengers forward, but it need not continue indefinitely. We do not know how long this "second sun" was visible, only that it was apparently for long enough to be noticed. Of course, if it was also their mode of transportation, it would also have to be visible for a long enough period for them to make the trip = ?????.
The whole thing also reminds me of an old (original Star Trek) where an advanced race had the capability to "beam" people across interstellar space (as opposed to the short-range transporter beams used by the Trekkies).
Anyhow, just some thoughts.
Cordially,
S&S
Ideas along this line have been discussed at one time or another in this very long thread. However, according to John, the "sun gods" do not use spacecraft to travel vast distances, they travel "within the light" as spirits and there are apparently the equivalent of highways of light for this purpose. Whether these are highways of physical light or some other form of "light" I do not know. However, they apparently travel at an enormous velocity, whether at the speed of light or even greater (somehow), but when they arrive at a distant destination, another star perhaps, they must embody the way the rest of us do. There seem to be special conditions for this, namely the preparation of suitable "host" mothers. However, there are a lot of unanswered questions and mysteries about them here as elsewhere.
Nonetheless, the idea of a light in the sky similar to a "second sun" make me recall the work of Dr. Robert Forward on laser driven light sails for traveling between stars. Dr. Forward's work shows one way we could make star travel work and leave a lot of the weight of fuel and engines behind. He proposed enormous lasers or enormous banks of lasers using great coherent light beams to drive light sail space craft across the void, reaching tremendous velocities.
In this case, I am wondering whether the "sun gods" might have used something like this as a specialized "highway" between the stars to travel from wherever they came from originally to earth, and whether (even at interstellar distances) such a beam wouldn't look like a bright light shining in the sky. The beam might not even be continuous, it could be in a long enough pulse to make a sustained light in the sky when it arrived, and bear its passengers forward, but it need not continue indefinitely. We do not know how long this "second sun" was visible, only that it was apparently for long enough to be noticed. Of course, if it was also their mode of transportation, it would also have to be visible for a long enough period for them to make the trip = ?????.
The whole thing also reminds me of an old (original Star Trek) where an advanced race had the capability to "beam" people across interstellar space (as opposed to the short-range transporter beams used by the Trekkies).
Anyhow, just some thoughts.
Cordially,
S&S
John Tat
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Hi S&S Thanks once again for your input they as always are very interesting... As you know traveling within the light is something I have been aware off for a long time from my meditations with BB my pure spiritual self .. As I said in my last post the best way to have some concept of how it happens is to shine a torch on a wall and understand that the light connects us to what it shines on.. I understand that the lights within the universe are different but it's the basic concept I'm talking about
You have raised many questions that forces me to think about things from in different ways.. This situation I'm in where I have limited understandings of my memories is absolute proof to me of what I have talked about before that previous incarnation memories including all emotions are analyzed through the current physical entity.... if this was not true then I would have complete understandings of my memories.. which I don't
From my experiences complete memories are not possible ... not for me anyway
I wish I had more understandings and knowledge from my memories that could answer some of your questions.. As you know I have always had problems in understanding long and complicated writings which maybe one of the reasons I offer very little other than my memories
I do conjure up speculations and answers in my imagination... which most of the time I reject.. when I have used them on the forum I have always qualified them by saying "that is a guess" or something similar... sometimes if they came to me while I was meditating I refer to them as "that/is what I feel"
It's very important for me to separate the memory from speculations and guess's
I have no memories of the god's treating us with contempt
When I talked about my tribes migrations from Europe to Africa I talked about us being guided by the stars and wondered how we as such ancient entities had such knowledge.. Maybe as you suggested it was not the stars at all but one light that guided us to Africa.. I have no doubts at all that the god's wanted my tribes in Africa not Europe .. which was all about different races and locations coming together in what later became Ancient Egypt.. BB and the others already had the ability to return to a time and place they selected.. I don't think it was always Europe and Africa as I have other memories of living and praying to the gods in different locations other than Europe and Africa
'The mothers of the gods came from the south and east ... I have always thought that referred to this world.. now you have got me thinking that maybe that's mot the case... that maybe it's someplace else
Do the god's travel within the light is spiritual form? It's very possible the way I describe things that I gave that impression... I would have never said that outright because I'm not sure in fact I'm more sure they don't than they do .. it's confusing for me... I will explain...spiritual form for the god's takes different forms depending upon what has to be achieved.. sometimes I'm not sure what it is ... which confuses my memories and how I talk about them.. especially if one form is more physical than spiritual which is one explanation for some of my memories ..but that's a guess
To be truly physical they must go through the reincarnation process's
I know I/ BB knows about many things.. but John Tat doesn't.. This allows me to have some understanding's how people must feel when they have memory loss after an accident or health problems
With your education, abilities and knowledge you are in a far better place than I to draw conclusions from my memories ... which I find very interesting because it gives an outside perspective on all of this
Most of the time I John Tat is not comfortable drawing my own speculations and conclusions from my memories.. it feels very wrong for me to do that beacuse of me connections to BB my pure spiritual self ... BB has always talked about being pure wit the memories .. I take that as meaning that the memories must be kept pure and away from my John Tat's interruption's and imaginations as best as I can
which makes sense to me because the memories are what they are if I understand them or not
There are so many memories I will never talk about mostly because I have no understandings of them...for example....
I have a visual memory of a devise with angled lines crossing from right to left... then left to right... then straight lines appearing from the bottom of the devise to the top in ever increasing lengths and a circulating dot moving between and around the lines that I'm controlling... I cannot talk about it any more than that because that is all the memory is....so what's the point in talking about it?
unless I make guess's and speculations which as I said I don't like doing.. one that springs into my imagination...that the gods travel within the light in physical form in crafts and BB was there assisting them and what I was controlling was a navigation devise guiding the craft through the highways of light.. that's the point I'm trying to make with these visual memories .. that the guess's and speculations makes them one hell of a lot more interesting than what the memories actually are.. and is why I avoid speculating and guessing about them and also talking about them
These visual memories happen while I'm meditating with BB my pure spiritual self and they go on and on and on with no clues what most of them are about
I'm sorry I cannot give more insight into supernova's... which was not even a consideration of mine until you talked about it
Supernova's? ... they are what they to us ... I wonder what they are to the gods?... that's what I draw from this .. What they are to the god's is without doubt very different to what they are to us and would determine how they use them... which is well and truly beyond the comprehensions of us the human race
I understand probably because of the Christion Jesus it's instinctive for us to think that the gods think and act like us... but they don't
All The Best
You have raised many questions that forces me to think about things from in different ways.. This situation I'm in where I have limited understandings of my memories is absolute proof to me of what I have talked about before that previous incarnation memories including all emotions are analyzed through the current physical entity.... if this was not true then I would have complete understandings of my memories.. which I don't
From my experiences complete memories are not possible ... not for me anyway
I wish I had more understandings and knowledge from my memories that could answer some of your questions.. As you know I have always had problems in understanding long and complicated writings which maybe one of the reasons I offer very little other than my memories
I do conjure up speculations and answers in my imagination... which most of the time I reject.. when I have used them on the forum I have always qualified them by saying "that is a guess" or something similar... sometimes if they came to me while I was meditating I refer to them as "that/is what I feel"
It's very important for me to separate the memory from speculations and guess's
I have no memories of the god's treating us with contempt
When I talked about my tribes migrations from Europe to Africa I talked about us being guided by the stars and wondered how we as such ancient entities had such knowledge.. Maybe as you suggested it was not the stars at all but one light that guided us to Africa.. I have no doubts at all that the god's wanted my tribes in Africa not Europe .. which was all about different races and locations coming together in what later became Ancient Egypt.. BB and the others already had the ability to return to a time and place they selected.. I don't think it was always Europe and Africa as I have other memories of living and praying to the gods in different locations other than Europe and Africa
'The mothers of the gods came from the south and east ... I have always thought that referred to this world.. now you have got me thinking that maybe that's mot the case... that maybe it's someplace else
Do the god's travel within the light is spiritual form? It's very possible the way I describe things that I gave that impression... I would have never said that outright because I'm not sure in fact I'm more sure they don't than they do .. it's confusing for me... I will explain...spiritual form for the god's takes different forms depending upon what has to be achieved.. sometimes I'm not sure what it is ... which confuses my memories and how I talk about them.. especially if one form is more physical than spiritual which is one explanation for some of my memories ..but that's a guess
To be truly physical they must go through the reincarnation process's
I know I/ BB knows about many things.. but John Tat doesn't.. This allows me to have some understanding's how people must feel when they have memory loss after an accident or health problems
With your education, abilities and knowledge you are in a far better place than I to draw conclusions from my memories ... which I find very interesting because it gives an outside perspective on all of this
Most of the time I John Tat is not comfortable drawing my own speculations and conclusions from my memories.. it feels very wrong for me to do that beacuse of me connections to BB my pure spiritual self ... BB has always talked about being pure wit the memories .. I take that as meaning that the memories must be kept pure and away from my John Tat's interruption's and imaginations as best as I can
which makes sense to me because the memories are what they are if I understand them or not
There are so many memories I will never talk about mostly because I have no understandings of them...for example....
I have a visual memory of a devise with angled lines crossing from right to left... then left to right... then straight lines appearing from the bottom of the devise to the top in ever increasing lengths and a circulating dot moving between and around the lines that I'm controlling... I cannot talk about it any more than that because that is all the memory is....so what's the point in talking about it?
unless I make guess's and speculations which as I said I don't like doing.. one that springs into my imagination...that the gods travel within the light in physical form in crafts and BB was there assisting them and what I was controlling was a navigation devise guiding the craft through the highways of light.. that's the point I'm trying to make with these visual memories .. that the guess's and speculations makes them one hell of a lot more interesting than what the memories actually are.. and is why I avoid speculating and guessing about them and also talking about them
These visual memories happen while I'm meditating with BB my pure spiritual self and they go on and on and on with no clues what most of them are about
I'm sorry I cannot give more insight into supernova's... which was not even a consideration of mine until you talked about it
Supernova's? ... they are what they to us ... I wonder what they are to the gods?... that's what I draw from this .. What they are to the god's is without doubt very different to what they are to us and would determine how they use them... which is well and truly beyond the comprehensions of us the human race
I understand probably because of the Christion Jesus it's instinctive for us to think that the gods think and act like us... but they don't
All The Best
SeaAndSky
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Hi John,
I did not say anything about "the god's treating us with contempt" I commented that "it appears that they treated the native elohim with contempt". As you may recall, elohim in this context indicate other deities associated with this planet, especially the Christian God.
I think that the foregoing is about as much as I can come up with for the moment when it comes to the "Second Sun". Maybe more will come to me in time.
Cordially,
S&S
I did not say anything about "the god's treating us with contempt" I commented that "it appears that they treated the native elohim with contempt". As you may recall, elohim in this context indicate other deities associated with this planet, especially the Christian God.
I think that the foregoing is about as much as I can come up with for the moment when it comes to the "Second Sun". Maybe more will come to me in time.
Cordially,
S&S
John Tat
Senior Registered
Hi S&S I woke up in bed this morning .. I looked at the clock and it was 2.34 am...Sometimes when I wake up during the night I have a real need to meditate.. I feel BB my pure spiritual self does this when he has something important to communicate to me and wakes me up and when he does I'm still in some form of sleep mode when I go into meditation and I get the best connections possible to him...in other words I'm not fully awake when I go into meditation.. most of the time I half wake up look at the time and go straight back to sleep.. sometimes I need to meditate
This morning I had to meditate...The best I can make of the communication ....when my god's travel within the light they are not travelling within what we see as space and distance.. what space is to us...
The best I can understand is.... for example .... when we travel to Mars there is a physical distance and time between us and Mars we must overcome to get there
When my god's travel within the light they are not restricted by such things.. This appears to be very similar to what I have seen about the theories of wormholes.. I know it's not that if it was BB would say so because I John Tat knows what wormholes are
It's more like that our concept of time and distance are restricted by the realities of this world and that's not how it is in the universe
I think what BB was trying to tell me was .. that while we see the universe through our eyes... our understandings and knowledge then we are sentencing ourselves to our eventual demise
For whoever you may think me/BB is.. he does not want that and is probably a major reason my god's will return
All The Best
This morning I had to meditate...The best I can make of the communication ....when my god's travel within the light they are not travelling within what we see as space and distance.. what space is to us...
The best I can understand is.... for example .... when we travel to Mars there is a physical distance and time between us and Mars we must overcome to get there
When my god's travel within the light they are not restricted by such things.. This appears to be very similar to what I have seen about the theories of wormholes.. I know it's not that if it was BB would say so because I John Tat knows what wormholes are
It's more like that our concept of time and distance are restricted by the realities of this world and that's not how it is in the universe
I think what BB was trying to tell me was .. that while we see the universe through our eyes... our understandings and knowledge then we are sentencing ourselves to our eventual demise
For whoever you may think me/BB is.. he does not want that and is probably a major reason my god's will return
All The Best
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
RE: "For whoever you may think me/BB is.. "
Hi John,
I deal with and have dealt with a variety of choices when considering your testimony and trying to understand it.
1. Does BB = You? I have swung back and forth on that, but mostly accepted your assertion that he was you as that seemed to be a condition for continuing our conversation. However, my gut feeling is that he is not you. I believe you are the same spirit that resided in a WWII American airman who died miserably hating God. Other than that, you don’t seemed concerned to know more about anything that doesn’t involve BB, so I have to be OK with that.
2. If BB is not You, what is he? Once again, I have swung back and forth, but on this my gut feeling is that BB is not a demon, as I understand that term. I believe he is the spirit of a human being (as you represent him to be) who was part of a group selected and cultivated by the “sun gods” many thousands of years ago, lived many lives in ancient Egypt, and eventually “walked away” in reaction to the degenerating worship practices of later Egypt.
3. If BB is not You or a Demon, but is another spirit, what is he doing “inside” You? My thoughts on this have swung as well, but I am most comfortable with a possibility mentioned in a much earlier post. I believe that BB is what is called in Jewish mysticism a “Dybbukim.” These “were generally considered to be souls, which, on account of the enormity of their sins, were not even allowed to transmigrate and so became ‘denuded spirits' who sought refuge in the bodies of living persons.” (Gershom Scholem, Kabbalah, p. 349) “A dybbuk is a departed soul which cleaves spontaneously to another person prior to its ascent for divine judgement. A dybbuk possession, however, is not a total 'takeover' of the victim's consciousness; both the dybbuk and the victim remain conscious and co-exist in the victim's body.” (Gershom Winkler, Dybbuk, p. 9) However, the statement about being a very evil spirit who is not allowed to transmigrate (reincarnate) is, of course, a way of seeing the matter that BB would probably consider to be an outrageous lie and slander. From his standpoint he probably sees himself as being a loyal servant of the sun gods, and would consider that his being blocked from reincarnation is a byproduct of the takeover of the reincarnation process by the Judeo-Christian God that he says occurred sometime in the past. Up until that time he was probably rolling right along. Since then, he would probably see himself as being a soldier behind enemy lines, in hiding and waiting for a chance to help the war effort. Either way, from what I can tell, he would move from person to person, probably seeking a sympathetic soul like yours who also hates the Judeo-Christian God.
4. If BB is a Dybbuk, when did he become one? We can’t tell when control of the reincarnation process switched, but if the growth of mono-theism after Jesus is an indication, it has been around 2,000 years.
5. Is BB evil for using you in his plans to re-take control of the reincarnation process on behalf of the sun gods? Not as he would think of the matter. For him it is part of the war effort on behalf of the sun gods, and besides, even though you are not going to be the being he intends to come back as, you would still be serving the sun gods (which you want to do anyway), would be coming back in another lifetime at some point, and would probably be rewarded when the sun gods take over (including being allowed to be part of their plans for a “better” world).
6. Are the sun gods local or from another star system? Beats me. However, I don’t really doubt that they can travel relatively instantaneously across vast distances, though we really have no idea how they do it accept that it is “in the light”.
7. Do I believe they are gods that I should worship? No. I still believe they are part of the other lesser “gods” (Elohim) that were created to serve the most high God. Likewise, I believe they are referenced in the Old Testament as such, and that they are in rebellion against the true God. However, I don’t dislike you for your reverence for them, though I do think you are deceived and misguided (and also realize that you think the same things about me). Hence, I hope that we can continue to be friends no matter what the future may bring.
Cordially,
S&S
Hi John,
I deal with and have dealt with a variety of choices when considering your testimony and trying to understand it.
1. Does BB = You? I have swung back and forth on that, but mostly accepted your assertion that he was you as that seemed to be a condition for continuing our conversation. However, my gut feeling is that he is not you. I believe you are the same spirit that resided in a WWII American airman who died miserably hating God. Other than that, you don’t seemed concerned to know more about anything that doesn’t involve BB, so I have to be OK with that.
2. If BB is not You, what is he? Once again, I have swung back and forth, but on this my gut feeling is that BB is not a demon, as I understand that term. I believe he is the spirit of a human being (as you represent him to be) who was part of a group selected and cultivated by the “sun gods” many thousands of years ago, lived many lives in ancient Egypt, and eventually “walked away” in reaction to the degenerating worship practices of later Egypt.
3. If BB is not You or a Demon, but is another spirit, what is he doing “inside” You? My thoughts on this have swung as well, but I am most comfortable with a possibility mentioned in a much earlier post. I believe that BB is what is called in Jewish mysticism a “Dybbukim.” These “were generally considered to be souls, which, on account of the enormity of their sins, were not even allowed to transmigrate and so became ‘denuded spirits' who sought refuge in the bodies of living persons.” (Gershom Scholem, Kabbalah, p. 349) “A dybbuk is a departed soul which cleaves spontaneously to another person prior to its ascent for divine judgement. A dybbuk possession, however, is not a total 'takeover' of the victim's consciousness; both the dybbuk and the victim remain conscious and co-exist in the victim's body.” (Gershom Winkler, Dybbuk, p. 9) However, the statement about being a very evil spirit who is not allowed to transmigrate (reincarnate) is, of course, a way of seeing the matter that BB would probably consider to be an outrageous lie and slander. From his standpoint he probably sees himself as being a loyal servant of the sun gods, and would consider that his being blocked from reincarnation is a byproduct of the takeover of the reincarnation process by the Judeo-Christian God that he says occurred sometime in the past. Up until that time he was probably rolling right along. Since then, he would probably see himself as being a soldier behind enemy lines, in hiding and waiting for a chance to help the war effort. Either way, from what I can tell, he would move from person to person, probably seeking a sympathetic soul like yours who also hates the Judeo-Christian God.
4. If BB is a Dybbuk, when did he become one? We can’t tell when control of the reincarnation process switched, but if the growth of mono-theism after Jesus is an indication, it has been around 2,000 years.
5. Is BB evil for using you in his plans to re-take control of the reincarnation process on behalf of the sun gods? Not as he would think of the matter. For him it is part of the war effort on behalf of the sun gods, and besides, even though you are not going to be the being he intends to come back as, you would still be serving the sun gods (which you want to do anyway), would be coming back in another lifetime at some point, and would probably be rewarded when the sun gods take over (including being allowed to be part of their plans for a “better” world).
6. Are the sun gods local or from another star system? Beats me. However, I don’t really doubt that they can travel relatively instantaneously across vast distances, though we really have no idea how they do it accept that it is “in the light”.
7. Do I believe they are gods that I should worship? No. I still believe they are part of the other lesser “gods” (Elohim) that were created to serve the most high God. Likewise, I believe they are referenced in the Old Testament as such, and that they are in rebellion against the true God. However, I don’t dislike you for your reverence for them, though I do think you are deceived and misguided (and also realize that you think the same things about me). Hence, I hope that we can continue to be friends no matter what the future may bring.
Cordially,
S&S
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
Hi John,
BTW, what I have said above does not eliminate the possibility that many of the memories you have from ancient Egypt and before, even going back to the long trek to Egypt, may be "your" memories and not those of BB. You and BB may even have been companions in some or all of these things. However, since BB is the "keeper" of your memories and shows you what he wants, it seems impossible to know which of those memories come from your past or his.
Cordially,
S&S
BTW, what I have said above does not eliminate the possibility that many of the memories you have from ancient Egypt and before, even going back to the long trek to Egypt, may be "your" memories and not those of BB. You and BB may even have been companions in some or all of these things. However, since BB is the "keeper" of your memories and shows you what he wants, it seems impossible to know which of those memories come from your past or his.
Cordially,
S&S
John Tat
Senior Registered
Hi S&S ... I'm putting together a reply to your two posts I want to do it as best as I can to explain how things really are far me .. How things are is not complicated... not for me anyway although I do know from your many replies over time you do not fully understand... that's my fault with my lack of abilities to put some things in a way that can be understood... that's why I'm attempting to do my best with my reply post
All The Best
All The Best
John Tat
Senior Registered
Hi S&S Once again very interesting posts about who I/BB may be... I will do my best to get this post done in one hit.. Its taken time to put together and is bit long so I may loose concentration
The begin to really understand who me/BB is IMO it's important to once again talk about how all of this began for me
Over 20 years ago I had a bad heart attack.. IMO it's important to understand that before the heart attack I had no interest in previous lives.. reincarnation...souls/spiritual selves and so on
To me it was all a load of rubbish talked about by people who had some need to believe in something other than the realities of there lives
From having the heart attack there is something interesting I learnt.. I hope you never have to go through it....or anything similar
When /While the paramedics came to me and also when I got to the hospital the doctors and nurses the same as the paramedics all talked to one other like I couldn't hear them... like I was not not there.. so I was under no illusions I knew I was dying... The good thing is because of the drugs they gave me I didn't care .. but I still understand I was dying
I was drifting in and out of consciousness each time I woke up I became obsessed with the beeping of the heart monitor ... why I don't know maybe it was the drugs
At a point I have no idea when I woke up as a nurse was coming in.. She placed a chair next to the bed and held my hand...sometime after I have no clue how long everything began to change As I have talked about before the first thing that happened all of my senses went through the roof ... I could even hear the doctors and nurses talking at the station outside of the ICU
I began to understand about me John Tat and things I had done and why... I had no visions of things but there were things I understood I never understood before
Amongst other things I began to have feelings I had never experienced before... including feelings of immense capacity... like I could do anything... feelings I have not had since
From what I experienced I later understood that I had begun to cross over to the real me... my pure spiritual self .. I was becoming something far greater that John Tat... I had been lucky enough to begin to experience what it felt like to be the real me... my pure spiritual self
Later I ask my doctor if I had died... he said ... of course you didn't you wouldn't be hear if you did... I suppose that makes sense
I understand that a skeptic may think that some other entity took advantage of what was going on.. but I know without any doubts at all that could/can never have happened/happen.. BB my pure spiritual self is far to strong and powerful for anything like that to happen
After this everything changed for me .. including I had a need to meditate .. as you know it's a long story that I have talked about before and see no need to talk about it again other than to talk about Blueheart who was a member of the forum and is an expert in Ancient Egypt ...I was posting about my memories from my meditations including my memories of being a WWII American Marine fighter pilot... other than those memories the only memories I had and there were plenty off them that I posted about nobody including me knew what they were about
they offered suggestions but none of them felt right ... After a while as you know Blueheart posted that I was talking about Ancient Egypt... as soon as I read that post I knew she was right.. things for the first time began to add up... began to make sense.. Soon after I became aware of BB my pure spiritual self.. Looking back I'm not sure if this woke BB up or I became aware of who I /BB is
This and what happened during my heart attack is how all of this began for me
IMO it's important to understand that for fifty years before all of this began I was a "clean skin" so to speak I had no knowledge or understandings of my spiritual self ... reincarnation ... Ancient Egypt and so on or anything else I was talking/talk about... and is probably the reason when I post many things... to you and to others what I talk about is way out there in left field because what I post about doesn't come from books or any other knowledge that is out there,, it all comes from my meditations/ memories with my pure spiritual self BB ... I call it "my first hand knowledge from being there" which most of the time is very different to what is out there
I have had enough for this post I will post again tomorrow ... there is plenty still to post that I have prepared especially about good and evil
All The Best
The begin to really understand who me/BB is IMO it's important to once again talk about how all of this began for me
Over 20 years ago I had a bad heart attack.. IMO it's important to understand that before the heart attack I had no interest in previous lives.. reincarnation...souls/spiritual selves and so on
To me it was all a load of rubbish talked about by people who had some need to believe in something other than the realities of there lives
From having the heart attack there is something interesting I learnt.. I hope you never have to go through it....or anything similar
When /While the paramedics came to me and also when I got to the hospital the doctors and nurses the same as the paramedics all talked to one other like I couldn't hear them... like I was not not there.. so I was under no illusions I knew I was dying... The good thing is because of the drugs they gave me I didn't care .. but I still understand I was dying
I was drifting in and out of consciousness each time I woke up I became obsessed with the beeping of the heart monitor ... why I don't know maybe it was the drugs
At a point I have no idea when I woke up as a nurse was coming in.. She placed a chair next to the bed and held my hand...sometime after I have no clue how long everything began to change As I have talked about before the first thing that happened all of my senses went through the roof ... I could even hear the doctors and nurses talking at the station outside of the ICU
I began to understand about me John Tat and things I had done and why... I had no visions of things but there were things I understood I never understood before
Amongst other things I began to have feelings I had never experienced before... including feelings of immense capacity... like I could do anything... feelings I have not had since
From what I experienced I later understood that I had begun to cross over to the real me... my pure spiritual self .. I was becoming something far greater that John Tat... I had been lucky enough to begin to experience what it felt like to be the real me... my pure spiritual self
Later I ask my doctor if I had died... he said ... of course you didn't you wouldn't be hear if you did... I suppose that makes sense
I understand that a skeptic may think that some other entity took advantage of what was going on.. but I know without any doubts at all that could/can never have happened/happen.. BB my pure spiritual self is far to strong and powerful for anything like that to happen
After this everything changed for me .. including I had a need to meditate .. as you know it's a long story that I have talked about before and see no need to talk about it again other than to talk about Blueheart who was a member of the forum and is an expert in Ancient Egypt ...I was posting about my memories from my meditations including my memories of being a WWII American Marine fighter pilot... other than those memories the only memories I had and there were plenty off them that I posted about nobody including me knew what they were about
they offered suggestions but none of them felt right ... After a while as you know Blueheart posted that I was talking about Ancient Egypt... as soon as I read that post I knew she was right.. things for the first time began to add up... began to make sense.. Soon after I became aware of BB my pure spiritual self.. Looking back I'm not sure if this woke BB up or I became aware of who I /BB is
This and what happened during my heart attack is how all of this began for me
IMO it's important to understand that for fifty years before all of this began I was a "clean skin" so to speak I had no knowledge or understandings of my spiritual self ... reincarnation ... Ancient Egypt and so on or anything else I was talking/talk about... and is probably the reason when I post many things... to you and to others what I talk about is way out there in left field because what I post about doesn't come from books or any other knowledge that is out there,, it all comes from my meditations/ memories with my pure spiritual self BB ... I call it "my first hand knowledge from being there" which most of the time is very different to what is out there
I have had enough for this post I will post again tomorrow ... there is plenty still to post that I have prepared especially about good and evil
All The Best
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
Hi John,
I wish Blueheart was still around! A lot of very good folks have died or left the board over the last 5 years or so, leaving unique "holes" in the fabric of the place that are hard for others to fill.
Just so you know, I don't doubt that you made contact with (or discovered yourself as) your true spiritual self during your hospitalization. However, that doesn't mean that BB is your true spiritual self. Your source and he came into the picture later.
Also, as you may recall, I recognized that you were--prior to your death in WWII--an extremely religious person and that you still were, underneath your veneer of hatred for all religion--still a very religious person. However, I could not have predicted that your religion was what it turned out to be. Or, that it would cause you to have such a vehement hatred for other religions and their adherents.
Cordially,
S&S
I wish Blueheart was still around! A lot of very good folks have died or left the board over the last 5 years or so, leaving unique "holes" in the fabric of the place that are hard for others to fill.
Just so you know, I don't doubt that you made contact with (or discovered yourself as) your true spiritual self during your hospitalization. However, that doesn't mean that BB is your true spiritual self. Your source and he came into the picture later.
Also, as you may recall, I recognized that you were--prior to your death in WWII--an extremely religious person and that you still were, underneath your veneer of hatred for all religion--still a very religious person. However, I could not have predicted that your religion was what it turned out to be. Or, that it would cause you to have such a vehement hatred for other religions and their adherents.
Cordially,
S&S
John Tat
Senior Registered
Continuing ........
IMO I don't believe it's unusual for someone/anyone to over a period of time come to understand more and more about who he/she really is ... I'm not the same John Tat of 20 years ago or even a year ago
As a result ... yes you are absolutely right John Tat now has very different understandings of who I/BB am
Using a Christian term ... I/BB is no saint I have done many bad things ... IMO what is important to understand is.... different to the teachings of religions there are no judgments for bad/evil and good acts
Since all of this began I have slowly come to understand there is a need and requirement for both.. all of our spiritual selves/souls have been involved in varying degrees of many bad/evil and good things .... and will again .. What is important for us is to look at good and evil and learn from them which requires a need for both... If either is taken away from us all balance of what is good and evil/bad is lost
Because of this one of the foundations of religions that is all about conquering evil (the devil) comes from the imaginations and fantasies of man believing that is what a god must want which has nothing to do with the realities of how things are and work
The point I'm trying to make is... Many religious beliefs some of which are highlighted in your posts revolves around good and evil all of which are determined by authors who claim to be inspired by god/gods and all have elements of judgments connected to them
As a result none of us can be sure which of them may be right and those that are solely the results of the imaginations of man.. I suppose it all comes down to faith and what you believe in
What is seen by religions as evil/bad is often dependent upon which side they are on.. also where they live geographically .. The left and right of politics ... Peral Harbour... the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan.. China .. 9/11 just to name a few.. I have heard the leaders of the Christian religion come out and strongly defend or condemn these and many other acts...This highlights the real problems religions have in justifying there beliefs about there god and evil/ the devil because Christians on both sides see good and evil from a different perspectives... and in the end proves what I have been talking about that it's all a human condition and has nothing to do with any god
Christian beliefs are fragmented into many different factions and sects.. as a result no firm judgments can be made through Christian beliefs of many things including who I/BB is.. other than "the interpretations" of individuals and groups within the Christian religion ... in the end that is all they are "interpretations"
What appears to be confusing to you is where I/BB came from.. You are very likely confused because of your religious beliefs... I become more and more aware through the memories of my meditations there is me/BB who very likely travelled within the light and there is also me/BB who came from the tribes of Ancient Europe... Your confusion is you very likely see them as two different entities.. but there're not
IMO most don't separate the spiritual us from the physical entities we occupy in the proper manner
From my experiences from both my meditations and my heart attack I understand that the spiritual us is very much restricted by the restraints of the physical bodies we occupy.. just one thing that I have talked about many times is how I John Tat cannot understand many memories of BB my pure spiritual self.. this physical entity does not have the capabilities and abilities to do that.. and that is just one restriction
From these experiences the best analogy I can think off is.... If you are driving a car that has a top speed of 10mph it doesn't matter how smart you are .. how old you are or how well you can drive
the fastest the car will take you is 10mph.. These experiences allow me to understand that it didn't matter how evolved I/BB was when I incarnated into Ancient Europe and future incarnations .. I was restricted by are still are by the evolved state of the physical bodies I occupied/occupy... which of course has improved/improve over long periods of time
It was not until my incarnations into Ancient Egypt did me and the others develop the abilities to incarnate into physical form...My gods loosing control of the reincarnation process's put an end to that
These are some of the reasons why you may think there are two of us There is only one of us... There is me/BB who very likely traveled within the light and me/BB who started again and was part of the tribes of Ancient Europe...we are one and the same
I/BB came from another place.. as I believe many of us have ... there are no aliens ...we are all born to physical parents of this world .. I incarnated into this world way way back in ancient times
and started again.. was there a reason or was it some form of punishment ... I have no clue
All The Best
IMO I don't believe it's unusual for someone/anyone to over a period of time come to understand more and more about who he/she really is ... I'm not the same John Tat of 20 years ago or even a year ago
As a result ... yes you are absolutely right John Tat now has very different understandings of who I/BB am
Using a Christian term ... I/BB is no saint I have done many bad things ... IMO what is important to understand is.... different to the teachings of religions there are no judgments for bad/evil and good acts
Since all of this began I have slowly come to understand there is a need and requirement for both.. all of our spiritual selves/souls have been involved in varying degrees of many bad/evil and good things .... and will again .. What is important for us is to look at good and evil and learn from them which requires a need for both... If either is taken away from us all balance of what is good and evil/bad is lost
Because of this one of the foundations of religions that is all about conquering evil (the devil) comes from the imaginations and fantasies of man believing that is what a god must want which has nothing to do with the realities of how things are and work
The point I'm trying to make is... Many religious beliefs some of which are highlighted in your posts revolves around good and evil all of which are determined by authors who claim to be inspired by god/gods and all have elements of judgments connected to them
As a result none of us can be sure which of them may be right and those that are solely the results of the imaginations of man.. I suppose it all comes down to faith and what you believe in
What is seen by religions as evil/bad is often dependent upon which side they are on.. also where they live geographically .. The left and right of politics ... Peral Harbour... the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan.. China .. 9/11 just to name a few.. I have heard the leaders of the Christian religion come out and strongly defend or condemn these and many other acts...This highlights the real problems religions have in justifying there beliefs about there god and evil/ the devil because Christians on both sides see good and evil from a different perspectives... and in the end proves what I have been talking about that it's all a human condition and has nothing to do with any god
Christian beliefs are fragmented into many different factions and sects.. as a result no firm judgments can be made through Christian beliefs of many things including who I/BB is.. other than "the interpretations" of individuals and groups within the Christian religion ... in the end that is all they are "interpretations"
What appears to be confusing to you is where I/BB came from.. You are very likely confused because of your religious beliefs... I become more and more aware through the memories of my meditations there is me/BB who very likely travelled within the light and there is also me/BB who came from the tribes of Ancient Europe... Your confusion is you very likely see them as two different entities.. but there're not
IMO most don't separate the spiritual us from the physical entities we occupy in the proper manner
From my experiences from both my meditations and my heart attack I understand that the spiritual us is very much restricted by the restraints of the physical bodies we occupy.. just one thing that I have talked about many times is how I John Tat cannot understand many memories of BB my pure spiritual self.. this physical entity does not have the capabilities and abilities to do that.. and that is just one restriction
From these experiences the best analogy I can think off is.... If you are driving a car that has a top speed of 10mph it doesn't matter how smart you are .. how old you are or how well you can drive
the fastest the car will take you is 10mph.. These experiences allow me to understand that it didn't matter how evolved I/BB was when I incarnated into Ancient Europe and future incarnations .. I was restricted by are still are by the evolved state of the physical bodies I occupied/occupy... which of course has improved/improve over long periods of time
It was not until my incarnations into Ancient Egypt did me and the others develop the abilities to incarnate into physical form...My gods loosing control of the reincarnation process's put an end to that
These are some of the reasons why you may think there are two of us There is only one of us... There is me/BB who very likely traveled within the light and me/BB who started again and was part of the tribes of Ancient Europe...we are one and the same
I/BB came from another place.. as I believe many of us have ... there are no aliens ...we are all born to physical parents of this world .. I incarnated into this world way way back in ancient times
and started again.. was there a reason or was it some form of punishment ... I have no clue
All The Best
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
Hi John,
I'm not sure what you mean by good and bad actions, and we may be using those terms in completely different ways. Is it bad to kill someone? Well, it may be regrettable, but it is not generally considered to be evil if done in the defense of yourself or another. In a larger sense, the same ethic can apply to nations and peoples. So, most have generally believed that war could also be justified on the same basis. Some disagree with the use of violence on both a personal and corporate/national scale, but they are a distinct minority. However, it would help if you cleared up what you think "bad" or "evil" means.
Likewise, what do you mean by "good"? If someone commits suicide it is not generally considered to be a good thing. However, if they throw themselves on a grenade to save their platoon, they may not only be considered to be good, but to be a hero. So, here again, I'm not sure what you mean by "good".
But these are just some side questions. I don't want to interrupt what you're saying, just throwing in some extra inquiries if you get a chance.
Cordially,
S&S
I'm not sure what you mean by good and bad actions, and we may be using those terms in completely different ways. Is it bad to kill someone? Well, it may be regrettable, but it is not generally considered to be evil if done in the defense of yourself or another. In a larger sense, the same ethic can apply to nations and peoples. So, most have generally believed that war could also be justified on the same basis. Some disagree with the use of violence on both a personal and corporate/national scale, but they are a distinct minority. However, it would help if you cleared up what you think "bad" or "evil" means.
Likewise, what do you mean by "good"? If someone commits suicide it is not generally considered to be a good thing. However, if they throw themselves on a grenade to save their platoon, they may not only be considered to be good, but to be a hero. So, here again, I'm not sure what you mean by "good".
But these are just some side questions. I don't want to interrupt what you're saying, just throwing in some extra inquiries if you get a chance.
Cordially,
S&S
Sophophile
Member
Bonjour
Ce forum est-il toujours actif en Août 2020 ?
Peut-on sans problème y écrire en françaids ?
Merci
Ce forum est-il toujours actif en Août 2020 ?
Peut-on sans problème y écrire en françaids ?
Merci
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
Hi Sophophile:
I was able to use the internet to translate: "Hello Is this forum still active in August 2020? Can we write in French without any problem? Thank you"
In terms of your question, I am not a moderator, but everyone generally uses English on the board. So, you might get less responses if writing in French.
However, I don't believe there is a rule against it, and we have had some French speakers from time-to-time (who generally post in English as well).
Cordially,
S&S
I was able to use the internet to translate: "Hello Is this forum still active in August 2020? Can we write in French without any problem? Thank you"
In terms of your question, I am not a moderator, but everyone generally uses English on the board. So, you might get less responses if writing in French.
However, I don't believe there is a rule against it, and we have had some French speakers from time-to-time (who generally post in English as well).
Cordially,
S&S
Sophophile,
Bien qu'il n'y ait pas d'interdiction sur les langues étrangères, nous préférons que les membres correspondent en anglais. Cependant, étant donné la facilité d'utilisation des programmes de traduction sur Internet, et dans un esprit d'inclusion, nous pouvons peut-être faire une exception si c'est le seul moyen pour vous de communiquer avec nous. Comme SeaAndSky l'a dit ci-dessus, vous n'obtiendrez peut-être pas les réponses que vous souhaitez, mais tout le monde ici vous souhaite la bienvenue. ~ Tinkerman
(Google Translate:
Sophophile,
Although there are no prohibitions on foreign languages, we do prefer members correspond in English. However, given the easy use of translation programs on the internet, and in the spirit of inclusion, perhaps we can make an exception if this is the only way for you to communicate with us. As SeaAndSky said above you might not get the responses you'd like, but everyone here welcomes you. ~Tinkerman)
Bien qu'il n'y ait pas d'interdiction sur les langues étrangères, nous préférons que les membres correspondent en anglais. Cependant, étant donné la facilité d'utilisation des programmes de traduction sur Internet, et dans un esprit d'inclusion, nous pouvons peut-être faire une exception si c'est le seul moyen pour vous de communiquer avec nous. Comme SeaAndSky l'a dit ci-dessus, vous n'obtiendrez peut-être pas les réponses que vous souhaitez, mais tout le monde ici vous souhaite la bienvenue. ~ Tinkerman
(Google Translate:
Sophophile,
Although there are no prohibitions on foreign languages, we do prefer members correspond in English. However, given the easy use of translation programs on the internet, and in the spirit of inclusion, perhaps we can make an exception if this is the only way for you to communicate with us. As SeaAndSky said above you might not get the responses you'd like, but everyone here welcomes you. ~Tinkerman)
John Tat
Senior Registered
Hi S&S In answer to your last post
First of all.. something I have talked about before...that IMO effects our perceptions of good and bad acts.. there is no proof because all past life memories go through the current physical entity that our spiritual selves perceive these things the same as the physical entity does.. IMO that's important to understand not only on these matters of good and bad acts but also many others including our perceptions of our spiritual selves and god's
As the physical entity John Tat below are my interruptions of good and bad acts
For me a good act has benefit or some benefit to an individual.. group.. nation or the world and has no bad effects on anyone
A bad act is the opposite
As you pointed out there are many instances where the line is blurred.. with things like ..murder and justifiable homicide ... suicide/brave gallant acts and so on
All in there own ways are bad acts.. because of the effects they have on families.. friends left behind and the community at large.. even though some of the acts were necessary and extremely brave
but that does not eliminate the sorrow.. the loss.. the grieving inflicted by these types of actions on families and friends.. and the community... I cannot imagine anyone seeing that as a good thing..
It's the same with things like death chambers... do they serve a good or bad purpose? The US found death chambers in Iraq... Death chambers are found in many countries around the world including ... Iran... Nigeria... America .. Ethiopia and China... none are better or worse than the other ... all of them are death chambers where people are killed
It can be difficult for all of us to separate good from bad acts .... everyone lives in there own bubble that they have created for themselves and within that bubble are our own perceptions of what are good and bad acts .. that's one reason why in the US and other countries there is divide right now
All The Best
First of all.. something I have talked about before...that IMO effects our perceptions of good and bad acts.. there is no proof because all past life memories go through the current physical entity that our spiritual selves perceive these things the same as the physical entity does.. IMO that's important to understand not only on these matters of good and bad acts but also many others including our perceptions of our spiritual selves and god's
As the physical entity John Tat below are my interruptions of good and bad acts
For me a good act has benefit or some benefit to an individual.. group.. nation or the world and has no bad effects on anyone
A bad act is the opposite
As you pointed out there are many instances where the line is blurred.. with things like ..murder and justifiable homicide ... suicide/brave gallant acts and so on
All in there own ways are bad acts.. because of the effects they have on families.. friends left behind and the community at large.. even though some of the acts were necessary and extremely brave
but that does not eliminate the sorrow.. the loss.. the grieving inflicted by these types of actions on families and friends.. and the community... I cannot imagine anyone seeing that as a good thing..
It's the same with things like death chambers... do they serve a good or bad purpose? The US found death chambers in Iraq... Death chambers are found in many countries around the world including ... Iran... Nigeria... America .. Ethiopia and China... none are better or worse than the other ... all of them are death chambers where people are killed
It can be difficult for all of us to separate good from bad acts .... everyone lives in there own bubble that they have created for themselves and within that bubble are our own perceptions of what are good and bad acts .. that's one reason why in the US and other countries there is divide right now
All The Best
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
Hi John,
I find myself "fading" in terms of board participation. It is hard to say whether I will fade away completely, or whether this is just a temporary thing. However, I will check for any updates you might post periodically so that I can respond.
Cordially,
S&S
I find myself "fading" in terms of board participation. It is hard to say whether I will fade away completely, or whether this is just a temporary thing. However, I will check for any updates you might post periodically so that I can respond.
Cordially,
S&S
John Tat
Senior Registered
I have over the last couple of months been receiving memories of another of my/BB my pure spiritual self incarnations into Ancient Egypt... I don't talk to much about individual incarnations into Ancient Egypt as that is not relevant... the memories are important not the memories of physical entities . Some of these memories I cannot connect to any specific incarnation
These memories I have begun to receive are about a specific incarnation.. the memories vary between very vague to OK to some reasonably good.. again I fill in the gaps and vague memories with what I feel happened
In this incarnation I was the son of a military leader in Ancient Egypt I have no clue how to compare that to military leaders of today ... a rough guess would be to a general in todays military.. but as I said that is nothing more than a guess
There has been talk on another thread about life in a palace....I have some memories of a palace in this incarnation but also some from previous incarnations
My father and I went to the palace at times... I assume for my father to have meetings with the king about military matters I say "assume" because I have no memories of being present at any meetings my father had in the palace
I don't have what I would call a lot of memories about the palace and palace life compared to some memories of other things
Clothes worn in the palace were most of the time a symbol of who you were and what your job was .. There must have been many reasons for that including who you must pay respect to
For example maids and those who prepared the food and for want of a better word "the nannies" wore clothes with different looks and colors ranging from white with blue or red or green stripes to the men servants who wore amongst other things wore outfits of brown and yellow... some wore skirts
Military people like my father walked around in there military cloths .. The leaders of the provinces who came to the palace ( again I would assume ) to have audiences with the king dressed in very elegant garments and jewelry...
From my scattered memories almost everyone wore makeup including new born babies upwards who wore black makeup around there eyes the same of the rest of us
I think most of us wore perfume to help hide the stink of our bodies.. I have memories of standing in an encloud area and maids poring water over me and washing and cleaning me
From some of my memories our eye makeup was more than for looks... our appearance...I have some OK memories of when I went out with my father to inspect military installations he insisted I wore black makeup around my eyes ... I think it was to shield our eyes from the sun also I think it stopped fly's getting into our eyes... how I don't know but if it did it would give good reasons why from new born babies up everyone wore black eye makeup
I can't remember if I ever played with royal children although I don't this it as a big deal who the children played with ... it was a very controlled environment with the children kept well under control
I think during my entire youth of this incarnation my father continually trained me on military matters and weapon use The following memories are OK sometimes vague and a little disjointed but its the best I can make of them when I include what I feel happened
When I went to the palace with my father some of my time was spent on training with weapons from who I would assume were the best military' and weapons' tutors in Ancient Egypt
As I got older my father would test me.. one example... I killed my first human while training at the palace... I fought a leader of a province whole stole from my king and Egypt
I think his sentence was to fight me to the death
That was only part of my training during my youth although an important part of it... it taught how to implement skills I was taught I would later use in combat
During this period I have memories of fighting to the death military cowards, criminals of all kinds and sometimes high ranked officials looking to not only take power away from my king but to steel from my king and Egypt
I think but I'm not sure it was part of Ancient Egyptian law and/or tradition that you were not sentenced to death but given the chance to fight for your life
This was probably my first experiences of my duties to my gods and my king to execute those those who committed crimes against my gods, my king and Egypt
I think but I'm not sure this was the beginnings of my loving of being covered in the blood of those who I killed and licking there blood from my arms
Religion as in all of my incarnations was the most important part of my life.. I prayed to the gods' all the time .. I have memories of cutting myself before I prayed and dripping my blood on Ra Horus and especially Anubis Anubis was and is a very special god to BB
I dedicated my whole life to my gods and king... all of my strength and wisdom came from my gods.. Everything I did was guided by my gods.. BB never questioned my gods and kings and still don't
It was very important to me to pray to my gods as often as I could when I went to the palace
I would go to a priest who would take me to the sacred place in the palace and we would pray for many things including the security of Egypt our king and that the gods would always bring the floods to our land.. I think the priest would always pray for that the gods would keep me safe.. I have vague memories of the priest doing that
It feels to me these times were the beginnings of very dangerous times for Egypt and I like some others just like me were being prepared for what had to be done
I have some other vague memories of this incarnation I will work on and try and sort some out and post again about this incarnation
These memories I have begun to receive are about a specific incarnation.. the memories vary between very vague to OK to some reasonably good.. again I fill in the gaps and vague memories with what I feel happened
In this incarnation I was the son of a military leader in Ancient Egypt I have no clue how to compare that to military leaders of today ... a rough guess would be to a general in todays military.. but as I said that is nothing more than a guess
There has been talk on another thread about life in a palace....I have some memories of a palace in this incarnation but also some from previous incarnations
My father and I went to the palace at times... I assume for my father to have meetings with the king about military matters I say "assume" because I have no memories of being present at any meetings my father had in the palace
I don't have what I would call a lot of memories about the palace and palace life compared to some memories of other things
Clothes worn in the palace were most of the time a symbol of who you were and what your job was .. There must have been many reasons for that including who you must pay respect to
For example maids and those who prepared the food and for want of a better word "the nannies" wore clothes with different looks and colors ranging from white with blue or red or green stripes to the men servants who wore amongst other things wore outfits of brown and yellow... some wore skirts
Military people like my father walked around in there military cloths .. The leaders of the provinces who came to the palace ( again I would assume ) to have audiences with the king dressed in very elegant garments and jewelry...
From my scattered memories almost everyone wore makeup including new born babies upwards who wore black makeup around there eyes the same of the rest of us
I think most of us wore perfume to help hide the stink of our bodies.. I have memories of standing in an encloud area and maids poring water over me and washing and cleaning me
From some of my memories our eye makeup was more than for looks... our appearance...I have some OK memories of when I went out with my father to inspect military installations he insisted I wore black makeup around my eyes ... I think it was to shield our eyes from the sun also I think it stopped fly's getting into our eyes... how I don't know but if it did it would give good reasons why from new born babies up everyone wore black eye makeup
I can't remember if I ever played with royal children although I don't this it as a big deal who the children played with ... it was a very controlled environment with the children kept well under control
I think during my entire youth of this incarnation my father continually trained me on military matters and weapon use The following memories are OK sometimes vague and a little disjointed but its the best I can make of them when I include what I feel happened
When I went to the palace with my father some of my time was spent on training with weapons from who I would assume were the best military' and weapons' tutors in Ancient Egypt
As I got older my father would test me.. one example... I killed my first human while training at the palace... I fought a leader of a province whole stole from my king and Egypt
I think his sentence was to fight me to the death
That was only part of my training during my youth although an important part of it... it taught how to implement skills I was taught I would later use in combat
During this period I have memories of fighting to the death military cowards, criminals of all kinds and sometimes high ranked officials looking to not only take power away from my king but to steel from my king and Egypt
I think but I'm not sure it was part of Ancient Egyptian law and/or tradition that you were not sentenced to death but given the chance to fight for your life
This was probably my first experiences of my duties to my gods and my king to execute those those who committed crimes against my gods, my king and Egypt
I think but I'm not sure this was the beginnings of my loving of being covered in the blood of those who I killed and licking there blood from my arms
Religion as in all of my incarnations was the most important part of my life.. I prayed to the gods' all the time .. I have memories of cutting myself before I prayed and dripping my blood on Ra Horus and especially Anubis Anubis was and is a very special god to BB
I dedicated my whole life to my gods and king... all of my strength and wisdom came from my gods.. Everything I did was guided by my gods.. BB never questioned my gods and kings and still don't
It was very important to me to pray to my gods as often as I could when I went to the palace
I would go to a priest who would take me to the sacred place in the palace and we would pray for many things including the security of Egypt our king and that the gods would always bring the floods to our land.. I think the priest would always pray for that the gods would keep me safe.. I have vague memories of the priest doing that
It feels to me these times were the beginnings of very dangerous times for Egypt and I like some others just like me were being prepared for what had to be done
I have some other vague memories of this incarnation I will work on and try and sort some out and post again about this incarnation
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
Hi John,
The eye disease may have been Trachoma, which is a very common cause of blindness world-wide:
"The bacteria that cause the disease can be spread by both direct and indirect contact with an affected person's eyes or nose.[2] Indirect contact includes through clothing or flies that have come into contact with an affected person's eyes or nose.[2] Children spread the disease more often than adults.[2] Poor sanitation, crowded living conditions, and not enough clean water and toilets also increase spread." (Emphasis added)
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trachoma
Apparently the eye make-up was thought to serve the same purposes you note, as well as to be related to the eyes of Horus:
"The interior passageways of the Valley of the Kings and Queens are embellished with frescoes illustrating daily life in ancient Egypt as well as the afterlife. They showed strapping men sporting dark eye makeup created from ground mineral powders and fats. The smoky kohl liner they wore served both practical and ritualistic purposes. It was thought to repel flies, protect the eyes from the sun's rays and ward off infection [source: Strouhal, Strouhal and Forman]. The dramatic makeup also imitated the facial markings of the sun god Horus, who was often depicted as a falcon [source: Stewart]."
Quote from: https://history.howstuffworks.com/h...ohl liner they,Strouhal, Strouhal and Forman].
Interesting memories!
Cordially,
S&S
PS--You mention that: "men servants who wore amongst other things wore outfits of brown and yellow... some wore skirts" I'm interested in whether you can recall any distinctions in status or work based on these clothing distinctions?
The eye disease may have been Trachoma, which is a very common cause of blindness world-wide:
"The bacteria that cause the disease can be spread by both direct and indirect contact with an affected person's eyes or nose.[2] Indirect contact includes through clothing or flies that have come into contact with an affected person's eyes or nose.[2] Children spread the disease more often than adults.[2] Poor sanitation, crowded living conditions, and not enough clean water and toilets also increase spread." (Emphasis added)
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trachoma
Apparently the eye make-up was thought to serve the same purposes you note, as well as to be related to the eyes of Horus:
"The interior passageways of the Valley of the Kings and Queens are embellished with frescoes illustrating daily life in ancient Egypt as well as the afterlife. They showed strapping men sporting dark eye makeup created from ground mineral powders and fats. The smoky kohl liner they wore served both practical and ritualistic purposes. It was thought to repel flies, protect the eyes from the sun's rays and ward off infection [source: Strouhal, Strouhal and Forman]. The dramatic makeup also imitated the facial markings of the sun god Horus, who was often depicted as a falcon [source: Stewart]."
Quote from: https://history.howstuffworks.com/h...ohl liner they,Strouhal, Strouhal and Forman].
Interesting memories!
Cordially,
S&S
PS--You mention that: "men servants who wore amongst other things wore outfits of brown and yellow... some wore skirts" I'm interested in whether you can recall any distinctions in status or work based on these clothing distinctions?
John Tat
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Hi S&S thanks again for you research ... once again very interesting
I cannot say with any certainty about the guys who wore the brown and yellow outfits... some with skirts that would give clear distinctions of there status and work All I can talk about are some of my interactions with them ... they are OK memories not the best I have
I couple I remember... at times I don't think I was so much lost in the palace but I did know where to go to do something's so I asked the guy's dressed in brown and yellow where to go
Another time I remember asking one of them wearing mostly brown with a small yellow stripe where to go to pray with the military leaders who were in the palace at the time including my father.. I think this guy must have had close ties to the high priest
I also remember the guys dressed in brown and yellow offering us bread and drink... most of the guys doing this were wearing skirts
All The Best
I cannot say with any certainty about the guys who wore the brown and yellow outfits... some with skirts that would give clear distinctions of there status and work All I can talk about are some of my interactions with them ... they are OK memories not the best I have
I couple I remember... at times I don't think I was so much lost in the palace but I did know where to go to do something's so I asked the guy's dressed in brown and yellow where to go
Another time I remember asking one of them wearing mostly brown with a small yellow stripe where to go to pray with the military leaders who were in the palace at the time including my father.. I think this guy must have had close ties to the high priest
I also remember the guys dressed in brown and yellow offering us bread and drink... most of the guys doing this were wearing skirts
All The Best
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
Hi John,
It sounds like the colors just stand for different types of palace staff/servants. I'm not understanding whether these people were just wearing the "kilt" that is seen in most of the pictures from that era, or if they were wearing more of a tunic. Likewise, whether the ones who you refer to as wearing a longer skirt were wearing a full-length tunic or a very long kilt/skirt (without a top).
Cordially,
S&S
It sounds like the colors just stand for different types of palace staff/servants. I'm not understanding whether these people were just wearing the "kilt" that is seen in most of the pictures from that era, or if they were wearing more of a tunic. Likewise, whether the ones who you refer to as wearing a longer skirt were wearing a full-length tunic or a very long kilt/skirt (without a top).
Cordially,
S&S
John Tat
Senior Registered
Hi S&S As I have said before I don't go searching for valuations of my memories.. I find it all to hard and a somewhat a waste of time...that's why I appreciate so much yours that allows me to follow the links you provide.. The result of this is... I post how and what the memories are and were
As I have said before all of these memories are not the same ... some are vague... something like looking through a fog and trying to make out what is there... I get an idea of what is there but nothing really clear that would allow me to be positive about what the memory/memories are ,, that is when I put to these memorize what I feel they are ... what I feel happened because some are what I consider are important
Some others like about life in the palace .. they are clear enough but disjointed no allowing me to complete the jigsaw so to speak
Things like getting lost in the palace and asking where to go are clear enough.. but why I was lost is not there in my memories and is very important for me to complete the memory
I feel the palace was not an easy place to navigate... many many different rooms and/or places you could go to and needed to go to, to complete specific tasks and see people
Some other memories are very clear
When it comes to the differences between skirts and kilts ... I don'ts know how to answer that other than neither names are particularly relevant even though I used the word skirts to describe what they wore
Tunic's? I'm not sure how that/they relate to my memories
IMO it's important to keep in mind that the drawings and art of Ancient Egypt left behind all were drawn and painted by artists who gave flare and there imaginations to what they produced.. in other words there were very few or none of them who painted and drew to how things actually were.. There were other reasons for this including what they were instructed and told to draw and paint by our kings the ruling class and priests I know this to be an absolute fact by comparing my memories to the art
All The Best
As I have said before all of these memories are not the same ... some are vague... something like looking through a fog and trying to make out what is there... I get an idea of what is there but nothing really clear that would allow me to be positive about what the memory/memories are ,, that is when I put to these memorize what I feel they are ... what I feel happened because some are what I consider are important
Some others like about life in the palace .. they are clear enough but disjointed no allowing me to complete the jigsaw so to speak
Things like getting lost in the palace and asking where to go are clear enough.. but why I was lost is not there in my memories and is very important for me to complete the memory
I feel the palace was not an easy place to navigate... many many different rooms and/or places you could go to and needed to go to, to complete specific tasks and see people
Some other memories are very clear
When it comes to the differences between skirts and kilts ... I don'ts know how to answer that other than neither names are particularly relevant even though I used the word skirts to describe what they wore
Tunic's? I'm not sure how that/they relate to my memories
IMO it's important to keep in mind that the drawings and art of Ancient Egypt left behind all were drawn and painted by artists who gave flare and there imaginations to what they produced.. in other words there were very few or none of them who painted and drew to how things actually were.. There were other reasons for this including what they were instructed and told to draw and paint by our kings the ruling class and priests I know this to be an absolute fact by comparing my memories to the art
All The Best
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
Hi John,
I guess we need some common clothing terms, at least for use with men's clothing--as I don't think that "trousers" were invented yet
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How about "skirt" = a garment that extends from the waist downward. A short skirt is one that only goes down to around the knees, while a long skirt goes down to around the ankle/floor.
A "tunic" is a garment that extends from the shoulders downward to approx knees or ankles. A short tunic would be one that was approx knee length and a long tunic would be one that was approx ankle/floor length.
A tunic can be long sleeved, short sleeved, or without sleeves.
Cordially,
S&S
I guess we need some common clothing terms, at least for use with men's clothing--as I don't think that "trousers" were invented yet
. How about "skirt" = a garment that extends from the waist downward. A short skirt is one that only goes down to around the knees, while a long skirt goes down to around the ankle/floor.
A "tunic" is a garment that extends from the shoulders downward to approx knees or ankles. A short tunic would be one that was approx knee length and a long tunic would be one that was approx ankle/floor length.
A tunic can be long sleeved, short sleeved, or without sleeves.
Cordially,
S&S
John Tat
Senior Registered
Hi S&S Thanks for the definitions to work from.... To begin with ... the concept and/or belief that Ancient Egyptians both men and women including those in the palace walked around in long flowing dresses or skirts is ridiculous to the extreme... a great example of the problems associated with verifying past incarnation memories.. a few did but only on special occasions
Tunics as described by you I have no real or clear memories off... tops made of different materials and colors I do have memories off
The men's skirts I have memories off went down to knee level and also below knee level In this memory I was wearing a green skirt that went down to my knees
My top felt like thin leather (brown)... I say felt like because I'm far from sure..this is one of those memories where you see something but it's not a complete memory... I feel it was more like a basket weave of strong plants or stalks ... something like that.... it had no sleeves that exposed the top of my shoulders I was wearing a gold or gold colored arm band on both arms with the head of Anubis on both that appeared to be a separate gold mold then attached to the gold band I am never sure if gold is gold or metal colored with a gold paint
A girl wearing a material wrap between he legs for the first time told she had matured into a women.. All women wore material wraps when required.. This is a great example of seeing things how they were especially about what people wore If you really did have incarnations into these times this should be a standout memory because you were surrounded by this a lot the time
The white dresses with different colored strips I talked about worn by the women servants hung well below there knees ... my memories are... some were clean and others very stained... properly an indication of there duties
IMO its important to unerstand that not even the palace was a clean and hygienic place...It stunk the same as all of the populated places in Egypt... The floors were far from clean so the notion that clothes were long and down to floor level could not be more wrong... The best way to stop bugs crawling up your legs was to wear lotions that prevented that from happening .. I have no memories of the bugs ever not being there I have memories when almost everyone in the palace had a shaven head... I have always assumed it was to stop the spread of head lice
As I have said memories of the clothes you see being worn during your past incarnation memories are very important in verifying your memories especially those from times when there are only drawings and paintings of what people wore which most of the time are are from from accurate and/or only show a few of the garments of what people wore
From my perspective on how my memories work it's not possible for me see people in my memories and not notice what they are wearing... As I have said they are not always clear memories ... but those that are ... I see the clothes they are wearing which most of the time are very different to the drawings and paintings left behind
All The Best
Tunics as described by you I have no real or clear memories off... tops made of different materials and colors I do have memories off
The men's skirts I have memories off went down to knee level and also below knee level In this memory I was wearing a green skirt that went down to my knees
My top felt like thin leather (brown)... I say felt like because I'm far from sure..this is one of those memories where you see something but it's not a complete memory... I feel it was more like a basket weave of strong plants or stalks ... something like that.... it had no sleeves that exposed the top of my shoulders I was wearing a gold or gold colored arm band on both arms with the head of Anubis on both that appeared to be a separate gold mold then attached to the gold band I am never sure if gold is gold or metal colored with a gold paint
A girl wearing a material wrap between he legs for the first time told she had matured into a women.. All women wore material wraps when required.. This is a great example of seeing things how they were especially about what people wore If you really did have incarnations into these times this should be a standout memory because you were surrounded by this a lot the time
The white dresses with different colored strips I talked about worn by the women servants hung well below there knees ... my memories are... some were clean and others very stained... properly an indication of there duties
IMO its important to unerstand that not even the palace was a clean and hygienic place...It stunk the same as all of the populated places in Egypt... The floors were far from clean so the notion that clothes were long and down to floor level could not be more wrong... The best way to stop bugs crawling up your legs was to wear lotions that prevented that from happening .. I have no memories of the bugs ever not being there I have memories when almost everyone in the palace had a shaven head... I have always assumed it was to stop the spread of head lice
As I have said memories of the clothes you see being worn during your past incarnation memories are very important in verifying your memories especially those from times when there are only drawings and paintings of what people wore which most of the time are are from from accurate and/or only show a few of the garments of what people wore
From my perspective on how my memories work it's not possible for me see people in my memories and not notice what they are wearing... As I have said they are not always clear memories ... but those that are ... I see the clothes they are wearing which most of the time are very different to the drawings and paintings left behind
All The Best
Learninghere123
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Hi! I've been reading this thread and I hope you don't mind me asking, do you have any memories of the skin colour or race of people from Ancient Egypt from your memories?
Thanks!
Thanks!
John Tat
Senior Registered
Hi 123 In all of my memories we the Ancient Egyptians had brown skin...Even when my original tribes arrived in Africa from Europe we had brown.. very brown skin probably not what the experts believe that some Europeans in Ancient times had brown skin...When I say Ancient Egyptians had brown skin how brown did vary from lighter brown to dark brown .... I think but I'm not sure it depended on what areas of Egypt they came from... I have no memories of anyone with black skin.. but that may have been because of when my incarnations into Ancient Egypt were.... or because there were so few of them I have no memories of them
All The Best
All The Best
SeaAndSky
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Hi John,
For some reason the idea that the palace itself was dirty and smelly was a bit of a shock to me. I guess that I assumed that there were some smelly areas such as privies, but not that the whole place smelled bad, and was dirty. On the last, I had supposed that with so many servants there would be many to spare for sweeping, scrubbing, etc. to keep things clean. However, these are probably more modern concepts.
It made me wonder about how old the broom was as an invention, as it might allow us to date the palace memories as something earlier than the invention of the broom. A bit dopey perhaps, but I couldn't think of anything else at the moment. However, I could not find anything definite on that, though the first brooms were apparently just bundles of twigs, rushes, etc. bound together. Such "brooms" are apparently still used today in primitive tribal areas to tidy up around the fire and so forth. Their usage is a bit back-breaking from the pictures I saw, as the user must bend over the whole time to use the handle-less broom. (The elongate broom stick/handle was added later--and the flattened broom is fairly recent).
I found one image from ancient Egypt that may depict someone using such a broom, here:
Here is an image including items from around c. 1550-1292 BC showing an ancient Egyptian broom. It would definitely be a lot of work to keep the palace clean with these, but it does make me wonder why more effort was not made, especially when the Egyptians were otherwise so concerned about the appearance of themselves and their surroundings.
Cordially,
S&S
For some reason the idea that the palace itself was dirty and smelly was a bit of a shock to me. I guess that I assumed that there were some smelly areas such as privies, but not that the whole place smelled bad, and was dirty. On the last, I had supposed that with so many servants there would be many to spare for sweeping, scrubbing, etc. to keep things clean. However, these are probably more modern concepts.
It made me wonder about how old the broom was as an invention, as it might allow us to date the palace memories as something earlier than the invention of the broom. A bit dopey perhaps, but I couldn't think of anything else at the moment. However, I could not find anything definite on that, though the first brooms were apparently just bundles of twigs, rushes, etc. bound together. Such "brooms" are apparently still used today in primitive tribal areas to tidy up around the fire and so forth. Their usage is a bit back-breaking from the pictures I saw, as the user must bend over the whole time to use the handle-less broom. (The elongate broom stick/handle was added later--and the flattened broom is fairly recent).
I found one image from ancient Egypt that may depict someone using such a broom, here:
Here is an image including items from around c. 1550-1292 BC showing an ancient Egyptian broom. It would definitely be a lot of work to keep the palace clean with these, but it does make me wonder why more effort was not made, especially when the Egyptians were otherwise so concerned about the appearance of themselves and their surroundings.
Cordially,
S&S
John Tat
Senior Registered
Hi S&S Thanks once again for your research.. I would have never thought to look for brooms used in Ancient Egypt.. This is one of the reasons I don't research my memories very much .. I have no real idea what to search for to get the best results ... It must have something to do with what I have talked about before..my lack of abilities all of my life to understand complicated writings and as I have said was the major reason I struggled to 10th grade at school then left with only having the basic abilities to read and write and basic arithmetic.. from then on my abilities improved through living life... they had to
I have never had the abilities to read a book .. I can read bits and pieces but that's all The same as reading newspapers ....With books I cannot connect the events that makes the story.. its interesting I can follow a movie and its events but not the written word
When I write I use fairly basic words that I understand.. but I can struggle to put them in there proper order I sometimes read something I have written and I know its not completely right the words are not in the proper order to say what I want to say .... it's the best I can do
The palace not being clean and hygienic is IMO a good example of all previous incarnation memories being perceived and understood by the current physical brain.. not as they were at the time.. although most of my previous incarnation memories I see them through BB my pure spiritual self but then I cannot help myself and I remember them the same as all of mine John Tat's memories
As far as me John Tat is concerned the palace was not a clean and hygienic place... on the other hand BB's memories has/had no such comparisons when the events occurred so to BB there was nothing wrong which are reflected in my/BB's memories ... everything was normal...how things were
From my memories there were many people who stayed/lived at the palace for varying times and may times more who would visit the palace for many reasons on a daily basis
All had to relieve themselves ... with no proper toilets or running water my memories show there were seats in places in the palace with a bowl under them you would sit on to relieve yourself ... which added to the stink in the palace
I have no memories of any types of brooms being used to sweep the floors.... One vague memory may be a clue of how we swept the floors... I have a vague memory of a small branch off a tree complete with smaller branches all being covered in some type of material being dragged around a floor.... maybe to sweep the floor... maybe something else The memory is not clear enough to fully
understand it.
I will meditate more on all of this If you have any more questions let me know and I will mediate on them
All The Best
I have never had the abilities to read a book .. I can read bits and pieces but that's all The same as reading newspapers ....With books I cannot connect the events that makes the story.. its interesting I can follow a movie and its events but not the written word
When I write I use fairly basic words that I understand.. but I can struggle to put them in there proper order I sometimes read something I have written and I know its not completely right the words are not in the proper order to say what I want to say .... it's the best I can do
The palace not being clean and hygienic is IMO a good example of all previous incarnation memories being perceived and understood by the current physical brain.. not as they were at the time.. although most of my previous incarnation memories I see them through BB my pure spiritual self but then I cannot help myself and I remember them the same as all of mine John Tat's memories
As far as me John Tat is concerned the palace was not a clean and hygienic place... on the other hand BB's memories has/had no such comparisons when the events occurred so to BB there was nothing wrong which are reflected in my/BB's memories ... everything was normal...how things were
From my memories there were many people who stayed/lived at the palace for varying times and may times more who would visit the palace for many reasons on a daily basis
All had to relieve themselves ... with no proper toilets or running water my memories show there were seats in places in the palace with a bowl under them you would sit on to relieve yourself ... which added to the stink in the palace
I have no memories of any types of brooms being used to sweep the floors.... One vague memory may be a clue of how we swept the floors... I have a vague memory of a small branch off a tree complete with smaller branches all being covered in some type of material being dragged around a floor.... maybe to sweep the floor... maybe something else The memory is not clear enough to fully
understand it.
I will meditate more on all of this If you have any more questions let me know and I will mediate on them
All The Best
SeaAndSky
Senior Registered
Hi John,
You're a brainy guy with a high IQ. It sounds like you may just have some form of dyslexia (= A learning disability that makes it difficult to read, write, and spell). This typically makes school a challenge. There was also a lot of stigma attached in the old days when we were growing up, and kids were told they were dumb when they just had a reading disability. However, it is much better understood now than when we were young, though it can still be a long-term problem.
Anyhow, back to the issue at hand = bad smells in fancy palaces. I actually think a lot of places like palaces were a lot smellier in the old days. They have now been refitted with modern plumbing, and as you note, people take such things for granted when they are used to them. So, pre-plumbing people just ignored it. However, up until the development of modern plumbing, a lot of functions were handled via the chamber pot or the night-vase, which might only be changed when full (depending on how good the servants were and/or how strict the rulers). Ironically, changing the chamber-pot for the high and mighty doubtless gave many a servant a more accurate idea of his/her ladyship or lordship's overall health (especially in terms of kidneys and gastro-intestinal functions) than the palace physician. I also imagine that naughty or spiteful gossip in the servant quarters also included such matters.
Cordially,
S&S
You're a brainy guy with a high IQ. It sounds like you may just have some form of dyslexia (= A learning disability that makes it difficult to read, write, and spell). This typically makes school a challenge. There was also a lot of stigma attached in the old days when we were growing up, and kids were told they were dumb when they just had a reading disability. However, it is much better understood now than when we were young, though it can still be a long-term problem.
Anyhow, back to the issue at hand = bad smells in fancy palaces. I actually think a lot of places like palaces were a lot smellier in the old days. They have now been refitted with modern plumbing, and as you note, people take such things for granted when they are used to them. So, pre-plumbing people just ignored it. However, up until the development of modern plumbing, a lot of functions were handled via the chamber pot or the night-vase, which might only be changed when full (depending on how good the servants were and/or how strict the rulers). Ironically, changing the chamber-pot for the high and mighty doubtless gave many a servant a more accurate idea of his/her ladyship or lordship's overall health (especially in terms of kidneys and gastro-intestinal functions) than the palace physician.
I also imagine that naughty or spiteful gossip in the servant quarters also included such matters. Cordially,
S&S
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