Cases of Interest 9/11 Case II – baby rn post 11
"He said people were falling from a building because they wouldn't wait...
he was on the floor with his breathing mask on and tried to get out a window but it was too small so he used his ax to break a hole so he could get the people out. To answer someone else’s question about if he seems scared about this...no it’s very matter of fact…just statements." (boldface added).
We can infer a lot from just this one post:
"He said people were falling from a building because they wouldn't wait . . ." This places what follows in the context of 9/11 as about 200 people from the doomed upper floors of building 1 (1 WTC above the 93th floor) chose to jump or fall to their deaths (between the initial attack on 1 WTC at 8:46am and the collapse of 1 WTC at 10:28am) rather than wait for a rescue that would never come or death by incineration.
". . . he was on the floor with his breathing mask on and tried to get out a window but it was too small so he used his ax to break a hole so he could get the people out."
There were no internal windows in the offices and conference rooms of either of the WTC towers. And the lowest external windows were at least 40 feet above the plaza level (courtyard of the WTC complex). So we can't be talking about a firefighter in either of the WTC towers proper. Also, only a dozen or so firefighters ever made it to the lowest fire floors of either tower which were at or above the 78th floor in 2 WTC (south tower) or at or above 83rd floor of 1 WTC (north tower) so we have to explain why this firefighter had donned his breathing mask. My best guess is that he was on what remained of one of the lower floors the 22-story Marriott Hotel (3 WTC) between the two 110-story WTC towers after 2 WTC collapsed at 9:59 am. The south end, middle section to 7 stories, and north end of the Marriott Hotel survived the collapse of 2 WTC as part of the pancaking 2 WTC structure fell on top of the hotel kicking up a choking grey-black dust cloud all around and in the WTC complex and surrounding blocks. The force of the collapse must have knocked this firefighter to the floor where he immediately donned his breathing mask. With his flashlight he must have seen that there was a way out of one of the Marriott Hotel's lower level windows, now completely or partially blocked by fallen debris. The collapse of 1 WTC at 10:28 am crushed the hotel and would have killed him and his fellow firefighters. But even after the collapse of 1 WTC, a 3 story story section of the south end of the Marriott (the "shoebox") remained standing. It was here that a crew of FDNY firefighters from Engine Company 74 and a civilian survived the second collapse and managed to slide down an improvised rope curtain maybe 10 to 15 feet to the street below, or at least to the rubble on the street below. Unfortunately, if my scenario is anywhere close to the mark, baby rn's son's PP did not survive the second collapse.
Here is some supplemental info on the Marriott Hotel rescue effort on 9/11:
https://www.fireengineering.com/firefighting/world-trade-center-disaster-initial-response/#gref
"Meanwhile, several chiefs had begun evacuation operations in the Marriott Hotel, adjacent and contiguous to the South Tower. They interviewed hotel staff and could not be certain that all occupants had evacuated the hotel. So companies were sent up to conduct a floor-by-floor, knocking-on-doors search and evacuation. The New York Times study placed 34 of the fallen firefighters in the Marriott Hotel at the time the South Tower collapsed, crushing the hotel.
The New York Times interviews indicate that there were 46 companies or units operating in the South Tower and the Marriott Hotel. Twenty-five of these companies experienced casualties. Of the firefighters who died, 97 were placed in the South Tower and 34 in the hotel. The Times investigation could not pinpoint the locations of 78 firefighters who died on 9-11, but fire department records indicated that many of those members were assigned to the South Tower. It appears that many units may have made it to the South Tower or the Marriott Hotel or their vicinities and were not operating for very long before the unexpected tragedy of the first tower collapse occurred."
Pictures - Inside the Twin Towers and at Ground Zero on 9/11:
4:41 (top right) shows the front of the Marriott on West St. before collapse of 2 WTC.
4:47 shows the southern end of the Marriott on West St. before the collapse of 2 WTC.
7:09 (center right) shows aerial shot looking south and down West St. at 6 WTC, 1 WTC, and the front of the Marriott before the collapse of 2 WTC.
7:22 (center) shows the southern end of the Marriott on West St. before the collapse of 2 WTC
Youtube clip “The 9/11 Hotel” (well worth 47 minutes of your time):
at 6:35 and 9:00 min shows Marriott Hotel from the plaza. Shows the small windows running up and down one of the staircase sections of the hotel.
From youtube clip "9/11 /01 FDNY Manhattan Dispatch Audio - Full"
at 1:32:24 to 1:32:58 the Manhattan Dispatcher relays reports of a "firefighter trapped and down" in the 22-story Marriott Hotel. This was 21 minutes after the collapse of 2 WTC (south tower) which had crashed into the middle of the hotel to the 7th floor and 8 minutes before the collapse of 1 WTC (north tower) which crushed the remainder of the hotel except a 3-story section of the southern end of the hotel ("the shoebox"). The dispatch proves that there was at least one firefighter and probably more trapped and still alive in the Marriott after the collapse of the first tower (2 WTC) but before the collapse of the second tower (1 WTC).