Exit points? What have I misssed?

Afew years`ago I was told by a psychic that I had avoided 3 different opportunities for death and the spirits were very happy for me that I was still carrying onward. I was dumbfounded but after thinking back over the years I realized she was right. I twice had serious problems during and at the deliveries of 2 babies...The last escape was from myself.


I was in a miserable marriage and extremely depressed. I got up every day for a year planning to end my life....but...I had 5 children and the thought of leaving them was horrible. I didn't want to ruin their lives or teach them that taking your life was a way to solve problems. I was told that "Life is like a book...If you change one chapter the ending will come out different" I went to work, took up meditation and astrology and my life completely changed. I consider that those were exit points that I was to overcome. When I was 15 I said I would live to be 86....Well, I'm 77 and just bought a new house.....tomorrow I will use my cultivator and put in a vegetable garden. BTW...I DID get a divorce about 3 years`after that time and I have never had a nerve problem since. I have done a lot of good for other people since those dark days....changed some lives.. That would not have happened if I had given in to those dark thoughts.

usetawuz said:

This is fascinating and beyond what has been discussed here on this board, I have heard nothing. Where have you found this information? The only aspects of this which I have seen or heard has been through akashic records and discussion with guidance about my ex-fiance...I know she had chosen in this lifetime a very difficult row to hoe...she may check out with late discovered breast cancer in the next three years, or if she has continued difficulty with relationships there may be some inoperable disease which takes her in the next decade in order to get out of this lifetime without greater karmic debt. Beyond those sideways references to apparent exit points I have read nor heard anything. How or why do we plan for five of them? Where did you find this?
I'm not sure why it interests me so much...it kind of feels like a new toy...and my guidance has never mentioned it before, and so far is not answering my questions about it.

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Acutally, I did that from memory and summarized it as well. I am not to sure on the "five exits points" though. I don't think it was some rule of any kind and its possible to vary that number. I know I have passed at least one exit point already. I was almost in a very bad multiple car acciedent, but made a decision to crank the stearing wheel hard right and got out of it.

I have had several of those myself...and one of those from a former life resulted in a death which changed alot of circumstances. Interesting that I felt amazingly protected when I was able to dodge vehicle accidents with just that "crank of the steering wheel". Others have been fortuitous from the standpoint of choosing not to go somewhere at a particular time. I sense that there are several planned opportunities to just get out, I have just never gotten the sense that I needed to take them and I have never heard of them deliberately referenced...I was however surpriesd recently to heare my guidance say I needed to pay more attention to myself regarding "exit points"...so myabe I'm being obtuse...to myself"? Who knows...this guy cracks me up when he's not making me feel like a fool!

I'm interested to know, at what level of consciousness do we 'decide' to take advantage of these so called exit points? I can count at least four incidents in my life where I could have easily died or been killed, two of them were accidents. So how do I influence the outcome? Let's take the accidents for example. When I was 11, during a storm, a tree fell on me. I was sitting on a wall on my way home from school, I heard a loud "crack" behind me, I turned and saw this huge tree coming down. From that moment on, everything was a blur, but I remember getting up and running for my life. By a matter of inches I escaped the main trunk of the tree with a severe concussion and a broken collarbone.


Now supposing I had opted to take the 'exit point' that day. I wonder if I would have just sat there, and let that tree crush me to death? (a very conscious, and unlikely decision I feel) Or would a subconscious 'decision' have made me get up and run a slightly different trajectory that would have prevented me from escaping the main trunk? Or would forces beyond my physical control (fate) have blown that tree in a slightly different direction, and more towards me?


I guess what I'm trying to say is: Does the subconscious (soul) tell the physical body when it's had enough? Or vice versa? Or is it all down to some kind of 'pre-planned' decision that we made before we were born? Any thoughts on this?

ChrisR said:

Does the subconscious (soul) tell the physical body when it's had enough? Or vice versa? Or is it all down to some kind of 'pre-planned' decision that we made before we were born? Any thoughts on this?

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The concept of "Exit" Points, per se, may be a little strange to me; but I do know that people often reach a breaking point in their lives at which they contemplate extreme decisions. Sometimes, they find themselves sitting at the very edge of existence, and when they decide to face the wolves, things seem to somehow improve -- sometimes, in miraculous ways.


For a number of years the date of May 22nd had great significance for me, because the most tumultuous and disastrous events occurred on that date. These were events which set me on paths that I would not have chosen for myself, so apparently free will can be superseded by fate or cosmic planning. If these are the points of which we speak, then I wouldn't necessary call them exit points, because we don't always exit whenever they arise.


Perhaps, instead, we should call them "turning points"?

From ChrisR and I quote: I guess what I'm trying to say is: Does the subconscious (soul) tell the physical body when it's had enough? Or vice versa?


Addressing just the question on the body/soul connection, I've always wondered about that, I personally feel that the soul "tells" the body what to do (with limited feedback from the body, much like a 2 way cable), and that the body get's it's energy from the soul and without the soul, the body is just a lifeless hunk of skin and bones.


I've always compared the body to a car that carries the soul, and whenever the old car (body) breaks down and finally dies, you just "buy" a brand shiny new model for the next trip!

ChrisR said:

I'm interested to know, at what level of consciousness do we 'decide' to take advantage of these so called exit points?

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I do not think any exit point would necessarily be made consciously; I think they are made at the soul level. Something could have distracted you and you wouldn't have reacted quickly enough to get out of the way of that tree...or your subconscious could have kept you focused on some internal issue and you would never have known.


Regardless, I do not get the impression that these are like ejection seats positioned in various places along the paths we walk, rather, if we're in a bad place and nothing makes it apparent that things will get better, or we are handling matters poorly and only hurting people, or we are in a situation in which there is no further benefit in this lifetime and something is better elsewhere, I sense an opportunity will arise that will enable us to transition.


As an example, my maternal aunt seldom incarnates and is a longterm soulmate of mine and often a guide to me. She would have become my mother in the event her sister, my birth mother, did not. As it was, my aunt had a son late in life, my much younger cousin, who is another seldom incarnating soulmate and past guide to me. He came into this life to keep my aunt company since she didn't have to raise me. He simply floats through life with an ease and happiness that is amazing, and he does it exceptionally well. He is exceedingly social, easy going to a fault, an extremely good caretaker and chose to come here to do just that (first grandmother, then his father and now my aunt). He holds no longterm karma and anything he effects is instantaneously (relatively) balanced. There is a single task that he intends to accomplish in this lifetime, and after that he may hang around or he may choose to transition. I assume he has an exit point enabling a soul level choice to transition after he has accomplished the task he intended to fulfill.


These are my assumptions based on this discussion and other bits and pieces I've cobbled together from past experience.

usetawuz said:

rather, if we're in a bad place and nothing makes it apparent that things will get better, or we are handling matters poorly and only hurting people, or we are in a situation in which there is no further benefit in this lifetime and something is better elsewhere, I sense an opportunity will arise that will enable us to transition.

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This has been my experience, if the situation warrants it an exit point will normally present itself in the form of a life threatening disease such as cancer, although it may take some time to actually exit. This is created by unhealthy Qi or prana within the human energy field which becomes manifest on the physical level once it reaches a certain intensity. What many people don't realize is that most people with cancer and other life threatening diseases normally had a severe emotional blow two to three years prior to getting the disease. Candace Pert wrote about it in "Molecules of Emotion".


Here is a short video that illustrates the sort of situations that create life threatening illnesses and "exit points":

She talks mostly about anger and rage though. I wonder if sadness and unhappiness/tiredness can affect this as well.

I tend to believe that sadness and unhappiness can lead to tiredness, deeper clinical depression and, eventually, death -- usually through cancer, but often through other internal problems and even accidents. Conventionally trained Doctors and Health-care Professionals tend not to agree with this, but that is because their medical experience usually begins well after the downward spiral begins, and their main focus is always to first treat the outward signs of illness with very little time devoted to all the personal problems leading up to the illness.

Delonada said:

She talks mostly about anger and rage though. I wonder if sadness and unhappiness/tiredness can affect this as well.

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Yes, that too (I know from experience). Unhappiness, hopelessness, despair and fear etc will have a similar effect on the body as well. Any sort of emotional state that you wouldn't want to experience long term that would make you feel out of sorts will also effect the body in the same way.


I once heard it described as following: There are two types of people in this world who die. Those who have completed everything that ever wanted to do in their life and die in their sleep one night, normally without any prior illness, and those who have been affected by something in their lives in such a negative way that they see no point in living anymore and the only way they can see out of their predicament is to die-these would be people with cancer. As a general rule I think it is not a bad description, however I don't think everybody with cancer etc has a death wish, as things such as cigarettes, radiation etc can cause cancer too. I am also of the belief that eating the meat of abused animals can cause cancer, because the unhealthy energy/emotion (fear) of the animal is still in the meat from when they were brutally slaughtered. There is a scientifically documented link between the consumption of red meat and cancer.

That means I am in deep ****.


On another hand there are a lot of ways to die, not only cancer.


Pulmonary Embolism


Heart Attack


Brain Embolism


...and more. I remember getting a slight premonition once I'd probably die of pulmonary/brain embolism. It was such a strong feeling I thought I might have had DVT(Deep vein thrombosis which can cause this). The premonition was so overwhelming that I spent some time making peace with all the people I cared for(not telling them of my premonition though as I wanted positive memories, not negative ones).

There is a school of thought within the Hindu ayurvedic system (chakra system), that depending on what part of your life the anger/unhappiness is directed at it will manifest as a different type of disease. Heart problems (as given as an example in the video) are associated with relationships, not just intimate relationships, but with relatives and friends and are connected with the heart chakra.


My own experience has mirrored this assertion to a large extent, and just by observing the illnesses of others I was able to make the connection between the problem going on in their life and their illness. For example I knew a woman who had quite a nasty end to her marriage. Her husband was from Holland and he had some Dutch girl half his age come and stay with the family for extended periods of time and the two of them only ever spoke Dutch to each other. Anyway to cut a long story short her husband had been sleeping with this Dutch girl practically under her nose on and off for a few years, and the husband denied it for years, until he finally admitted it at which point the marriage ended.


Two years later after the marriage ended, this woman was diagnosed with cervical cancer. Sex organs are related to the sacral chakra and is associated with sex, food and having children. So obviously the woman was holding intense anger in regards to the sexuality department. She no longer has cancer so she has obviously gotten over the whole ordeal. It never ceases to amaze me how people I have observed get the type of cancer they do and how it can be traced back to something that happened to them by means of the chakra system.

Green, in dealing with legal matters, a basic tenet to live by is to "follow the money" as it will invariably lead you to the answers and motivations sought; in the cases you describe, it is to "follow the energy" as it flows through the chakras.


Makes sense to me.

Green26 said:

There is a school of thought within the Hindu ayurvedic system (chakra system), that depending on what part of your life the anger/unhappiness is directed at it will manifest as a different type of disease. Heart problems (as given as an example in the video) are associated with relationships, not just intimate relationships, but with relatives and friends and are connected with the heart chakra.
My own experience has mirrored this assertion to a large extent, and just by observing the illnesses of others I was able to make the connection between the problem going on in their life and their illness. For example I knew a woman who had quite a nasty end to her marriage. Her husband was from Holland and he had some Dutch girl half his age come and stay with the family for extended periods of time and the two of them only ever spoke Dutch to each other. Anyway to cut a long story short her husband had been sleeping with this Dutch girl practically under her nose on and off for a few years, and the husband denied it for years, until he finally admitted it at which point the marriage ended.


Two years later after the marriage ended, this woman was diagnosed with cervical cancer. Sex organs are related to the sacral chakra and is associated with sex, food and having children. So obviously the woman was holding intense anger in regards to the sexuality department. She no longer has cancer so she has obviously gotten over the whole ordeal. It never ceases to amaze me how people I have observed get the type of cancer they do and how it can be traced back to something that happened to them by means of the chakra system.

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Would be interesting to see what diseases and emotions align.

Also, it doesn't just have to be the serious illnesses that align, even much smaller things align, like a fractured leg or a broken arm. I have had both of these things and once I learned about the Chakra system I was able to immediately make the connection between the illness and what was going on in my energy, although I was completely clueless at the time that these things were caused by what was going on in my energy.


This diagram should be of help:





Also, many of the past life ailments that there are reports of are said to be contained within the chakras and are carried over into the next life, although it is not that common for tension in the chakras to be carried over from lifetime to lifetime. It is much more common for tensions in the consciousness/chakras to have their origins in the current lifetime.

I have to admit I have no idea how I could read myself out of that chart.

Each chakra is associated with a certain part of your life, that is down on the right hand side. Each chakra is also responsible for proper functioning of various parts of the body of a certain system, digestive system, metabolic system, respiratory system etc. That is to be found on the left hand side. In addition to each of these systems each chakra is responsible for a collection of nerves called a plexus and an endocrine gland such as the adrenalin gland, gonads, pancreas thyroid etc. These are also to be found on the left. If you want to "read yourself" I would start on the right side of the diagram in the part of your life where there are problems. Or, if you already had an illness you would start on the left in the system where the illness is and then move over to the right to the part of your life where the problems are.

So let's say a person is suffering from the followning:


Sadness


Unhappiness


Loneliness


Leg Pain


Chest Pain


Headaches


PCOS


Unable to Concentrate


We would align it with:


C Red (PCOS, Leg Pain)


B Violet (Headaches, Unable to Concentrate)


F Green (Sadness, Unhappiness, Loneliness, Chest Pain)


which I am not sure what means, but would those be the accurate readings?


PCOS = Polycistic Ovarian Syndrome

As sadness, unhappiness and loneliness can relate to any number of things they are not connected with any particular chakra. They can be connected with the chakras you mentioned, but don't have to be. Leg pain would be connected with the root chakra (red one), chest pain would be connected with the heart chakra (green one) PCOS would be related to the sacral chakra (orange one). An inability to concentrate is a cognitive ability which normally have their origins in the crown chakra (the violet one).


If you wanted to isolate sadness, unhappiness etc within the chakra system, you would have to say "unhappiness about [insert issue here]". For example unhappiness about an inability to have children (orange chakra), unhappiness about not being able to express myself (throat/blue chakra).


Of course this is just a rough guide only. It is also possible to experience some of these things without something going on in your chakras. You can get chest pains if you are winded, get headaches if you don't get enough sleep or drink too much alcohol, leg pains if you stand up all day etc


But overall, I think you got the general idea of how to read the chart, the only one that was really out of place was PCOS, ovaries are part of the reproductive system which is the second chakra (orange). The red chakra is related to survival issues, such as money, shelter and job and its endocrine gland is the adrenalin gland, not the gonads (ovaries).

So the methodology would be to reverse engineer the symptom? First focus on the physical aspect which is causing pain, then go to the chart and cross reference the responsible chakra and identify the aspect of one's life, either feelings or actions, that feel not good and seek to change one's thoughts about that particular feeling or action. I understand I am being simplistic in my explanation, but is this crux of the methodology? I like it and it makes sense to me.


How does one most effectively change one's thoughts and actions from a therapeutic standpoint? In accordance with the chart, my stiff right shoulder could be analysed as follows...skeletal and muscular issues are dealt with from the sacral plexus which reflects issues of safety, security, survival, trust ,money, home, job, and the solar plexus which reflects freedom/power, control, self definition, and intellect. Interesting that right now I am dealing with trust, money, home, job and freedom/power, control. To rectify this physical issue I should change the way I think and deal with those issues...correct?


Another aspect of this is how closely these particular issues tie into and could be resolved by my "closet cleaning" as referenced in the discussion about astrological charts and my natal Moon/Jupiter and Saturn being conjunct/transited to/by Pluto...hmmm.

So the methodology would be to reverse engineer the symptom? First focus on the physical aspect which is causing pain, then go to the chart and cross reference the responsible chakra and identify the aspect of one's life, either feelings or actions, that feel not good and seek to change one's thoughts about that particular feeling or action. I understand I am being simplistic in my explanation, but is this crux of the methodology? I like it and it makes sense to me.

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Yep, that's it in a nutshell :thumbsup: The idea is that once you have addressed the part of your life that doesn't work well the physical symptoms should disappear by themselves.

How does one most effectively change one's thoughts and actions from a therapeutic standpoint? In accordance with the chart, my stiff right shoulder could be analysed as follows...skeletal and muscular issues are dealt with from the sacral plexus which reflects issues of safety, security, survival, trust ,money, home, job, and the solar plexus which reflects freedom/power, control, self definition, and intellect. Interesting that right now I am dealing with trust, money, home, job and freedom/power, control. To rectify this physical issue I should change the way I think and deal with those issues...correct?

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Although it could be traced back to the muscles and the bone that hurt in your shoulder and the chakras associated with these systems, normally the location of the pain has meaning as well.


The arms and shoulders are associated with the throat chakra. The throat chakra is connected with expression and achieving your goals. Are you holding yourself back and not going after what you want? Are you right handed? Handedness also has an influence on accurately reading the chakras. Anger regarding communication problems with somebody?


Using the chart alone isn't an exact science. Sometimes it will be obvious what it is, other times it will not be. Just want to be clear I am NOT diagnosing anything here, nor providing medical/health care advice. Just a way of interpreting the chakra system.

Green26 said:

The arms and shoulders are associated with the throat chakra. The throat chakra is connected with expression and achieving your goals. Are you holding yourself back and not going after what you want? Are you right handed? Handedness also has an influence on accurately reading the chakras. Anger regarding communication problems with somebody?

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I am delaying working toward certain goals until I have determined the direction my domestic situation is going to take, and my delay prevents me obtaining satisfaction through expressing a talent at which I am successful; I am right handed; and I have anger regarding ineffectual domestic communication...so, yes, yes and yes.

Bingo! Glad that the interpretation of the symptoms speak to you. Just to be sure, are you 100% confident that your situation that you just described has a connection with your right shoulder and that coincidence can't be ruled out? Normally it is a huge eureka moment for many people when they hear a physical symptom explained though chakras (this seems to be because it has to be something pretty significant for a physical symptom to be created), It certainly was a eureka moment for me when I found out about this stuff. Does it seem really obvious to you now what has contributed to your shoulder playing up?


The reason I asked about being right handed is that the body has two sides/ polarities= ying and yang/masculine and feminine as shown in the diagram. The masculine side of the body is the will/action/behaviour and the feminine side is the emotional perceptive intuitive side. If you are right handed your right side of your body is the masculine/will side of the body and your left side is your emotional side of the body. If you are left handed like me then the polarity is reversed and the left side is the will side.


Since you are right handed and the pain is in your right shoulder, it indicates that you are experiencing a problem with your will. In other words your emotional aspect is saying "I want to pursue this goal and express this talent" and your will is saying "I don't want you to pursue this goal and express that talent until I have gotten my domestic situation in order."


This creates tension in the throat chakra which has a knock on effect to the aura which eventually has a knock on effect to the body parts that the throat chakra is responsible for. Is this making sense? Many past life issues, afflictions can be interpreted in exactly the same way through the chakras.

Absolutely and nearly the exact words I used last November..."I have a clear path to the goals we want to achieve, but until we get our domestic situation figured out, I'm not going to make the effort with the possibility of change in a few months." It was about then that the shoulder became painful; there was no contusion or other impact which might have injured it...simply an increasingly painful ache and tightness. A lot of "not good feeling" energy.


I have also learned by experience that holding back my thoughts and feelings result in sinus infections...I now speak out when I do not agree; a change from my simple "shake of the head and turn away from the ignorance" I previously exhibited.


Along those same lines, I also read in the article you cited something about a lack of trust in or for a woman meant "left leg pain"...well that too, although that has been diminishing...thankfully!

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Indeed!!:laugh:


usetawuz:


If you want to get rid of the symptom you might want to try and find a compromise so that you can somehow make steps towards achieving your goal without having to wait for domestic issues to be in order. I know it's easier said than done. Also, a chakra healing can clear the chakras of the tension that creates the pain, which can speed up the process, although, a healing does not eliminate the situation that created the pain in the first place, you have to do that yourself, which means if you have a healing and don't address the issue you will recreate the symptoms you just got rid of. Anyway I don't want to derail this thread anymore than I already have talking about chakras, but if you want some info about chakra healings I can send you some info in a private message.

Exit points are never "known" consciously but if the soul has made the decision to leave, the person may say things that are just uncanny. And exit points can present itself in many ways, even murder can represent it. My parents have friends who lost their daughter to their neighbor strangling her. It was discovered that a few days before her disappearance, her mother read her diary and the girl had said out of no where "I don't want anyone grieving for me when I die"...and talking about death was out of character for her from the sounds of it. And yeah if you did not complete your mission and you are in no position to do so, you will likely leave.

It is rather uncanny regarding that girl.


Personally I think we can sense our death better than most people want to believe. If we truly would use all our senses we could truly see and sense so much, but our ignorance tends to blind us.


You see every day people giving up on life and passing away, and I am not talking about self-inflicted death, but old people in homes. It is amazing how many old people just think one day: "It's finally over and can't complain" and then you find out that they passed away.

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but if the soul has made the decision to leave, the person may say things that are just uncanny

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I don't know how exactly you define the soul, but it has been my experience that it is not the soul that makes the decision to leave, it is the person/ego living life that makes the decision to leave even if this decision is made at an unconscious level.


In "your soul's plan" Schwartz shows one woman getting breast cancer because she didn't love herself enough. Her soul/higher self looked down on her from the afterlife, saw that she she wasn't loving herself enough and decided to give her breast cancer to teach her a valuable life lesson.


Such is not the case. Illnesses are a result of something troubling going on in your life which affects your chakras and then has a knock on effect to your body, there is no intervention going on by a soul/higher self when someone gets cancer to bring about an "exit point". How your life situation effects your chakras and then effects your health is highly structured and there are usually no coincidences, which is why I was able to pinpoint the general cause of a sore stiff shoulder without too much trouble, nor without being psychic. A sore stiff shoulder only differs in degree from cancer, motor neuron disease, Alzheimer's etc not in kind, it is therefore not a type of intervention from a higher level, just the result of certain things that happen to us and certain decisions we make in our lives.

My understanding in regards to Exit Points is this. When we choose to incarnate into physical form - we take it on as a project (in the spiritual realm) and begin planning.

We ask different soul mates if they are interested in joining/contributing to our life to heal past karma and create contracts/agreements, we choose our parents, our geographic location, a general area of growth/learning, and a multitude of possible outcomes for our freewill to walk once we arrive on earth - and also various 'exit points' as completion points - if our soul chooses to take it.

It is also my understanding that these exit points are placed after certain karmic energies/lessons have been dealt with - or at the end/beginning of life cycles. In this I mean - in Aboriginal spirituality life is divided into 7 year cycles. In numerology it is 9 year cycles - when a new cycle of life/energy/focus is created in your experience.

In my life (as an example) - I was born at 6 months gestation. I was not supposed to live - but I believe my soul wanted to continue so I chose to stay (exit 1).

When I was 4 I smashed my head during a car accident - and my mother was trapped in the front seat. She said a man came out of nowhere, gave me cpr, and when I started breathing - she turned to thank him and he was gone. I CLEARLY (Im 28 mind you) remember passing over and being in the light of Creator. I remember making a thought to 'stay' and floating to my body that was now in a hospital bed (exit 2)

I dont remember having any clear cut exit points come up during my childhood or teens - but mind you, we never know what potential accidents were avoided by a delay in any action or a 'choice' to take a different route, not go to that party, or miss a bus to school.

When i was 24 - I remember cooking on the stove top with glass pan (I know right. What an idiot) but it didnt seem odd to me. I took off a sacred medallion I wear to ceremony before I started cooking - and as the pan heated up - something told me to put it back on. So I moved from infront of the pan - to beside the fridge where my necklace was hanging. As I put it on - the pan exploded. Shards of glass everywhere. If I had kept standing in front of that pan - it would have hit me like shrapnel. (exit ?)

Now - I have feelings that I have a choice to stay or go soon.

I feel like my soul (that is connected to all energy) has had enough of this experience. It is like I have come to the end of this article (in the blog of my life) and I can either choose to read another on this topic - or choose a different area of learning. I think if one chooses to remain and live their completely planned experience to the end - they die at their last planned exit point.

In regards to suicide - I think this can be a preplanned exit point if the soul has chosen so - as many lessons can be learned from the soul side and the survivor side. Murder, cancer, accidents - as long as they are transitions - all routes are preplanned (in numerous outcomes) before hand for you to experience.

I see the blueprint you create before being born as more of a maze than a road. There are various deadends you may never see - but they are placed their regardless.

It is your freewill that guides your chosen path down the maze - and you may choose to turn around at a dead end/exit point or press eject when you get there.

It really is up to your soul whether remaining is benificial to your expansion, whether your ego has such a hold on you that your particular lessons can no longer be learned in this enviroment, or that another opportunity has arrived and your death is needed to happen so that you can take up the new life/purpose/experience somewhere else.