Why so many Nazi reincarnates?

So many replies! This is a great discussion!


@Owl: I'm sorry you feel the thread is/was taking a wrong turn. I don't know if you referred to my reply, but I was simply reflecting upon the original question.


I'm certainly not trying to discredit any particular people and their memories, but there does seem to be a tendency generally (not just on this forum) that people have memories of past lives that took place in well-documented historical times or in familiar places. I don't think it's just a case of things being recent or that people choose to reincarnate in the same place. But the mind tends to go to what is familiar and some people (again not aiming at anyone specific) perhaps jump to conclusions uncritically.


I still think that the exposure of German history during WW2 is part of the reason why so many claim Nazi past lives. Some are certainly legitimate, while others are not.


During the years I've been on this forum various past life-themes seem to come in waves. I remember when I first came here it was all about the Titanic, then we had ancient Egyptians, we've had a Romanoff family-gathering more than once, Holocaust victims - and now WW2 and Nazi soldiers. It has puzzled me during the years why these waves occur.

I have to agree with many of Gryph's views regarding the 'teenager stereotype'. I'm not a teenager either - I'm 31 and have not had an easy time due to health reasons (healing trauma in the body), many rapid changes since my spiritual experience, and so have no time for nonsense. It's taken me 7 years to research my own life. And now I'm delving into researching my 19c Finnish lifetime (so far - so good with that) and making the connections between the two.


I also expressed something to one of my online spiritual friends in an email yesterday regarding the comparison between 'new agers' and how many of them treat history and my situation as I had abruptly left the healing network I had belonged to (which was a good thing because I get further with what I'm doing by myself, than if I belonged to any 'group').


We discussed a bit, via email, about the rather flippant attitude that many new agers have with regards to doing historical research.


Anyway, this is what I had stated:

Yeah - and see that's the thing that really 'gets' me. You see, due to my 'position' with regards to WWII history AND the added factor of my situation regarding my reincarnation, I walk a fine line. It's not something I've ever been comfortable with but it's something I've come to realize - although it's probably something that I 'knew' all along, I just didn't want to accept it - because of what I was doing with regards to helping to heal the body was stressful enough and it would have been nice to 'just let loose' and relax a bit. But I cannot - I have serious historians interested in me - I had been in touch with one who was writing up a new biography on me, as well as updated information on the U-Boat war...so there is no room for 'goofing around'.
I understand - that even history is quite subjective and so I have to 'present a mature face' when dealing with all of this - and this carries over into my 'spiritual life' - even though that is even more subjective. I still apply the same 'method' in my spiritual life as I do with this because...technically they are one in the same - I wouldn't be doing the historical research if it were not for these experiences/memories.

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I too, from passing through various WWII German reincarnation groups/forums, have noticed a bitterness. I don't have that, but then again, as I said, I didn't live long into the war - so my outlook will be totally different. I've noticed that this sort of situation is discussed in the book, 'Wolf' by Jordan Vause where he mentions about the different 'generations' of U-Boat commanders - early war, mid war and late war and how their attitudes and outlook evolved/changed over time due to the progression of the war.


Nor was my war, like the war of others - I was out at sea so I had a totally different scenario. I also noticed that as I heal the body, I heal any sorts of issues that I may have had with regards to U-Boat warfare. It's a nice little trade-off - this 'killing two birds with one stone'.


Also, I believe the movie Das Boot has done a lot to change public opinion of U-Boat crewmen and commanders. One really cannot say the same for those who were involved in the Holocaust, or the W-SS (Waffen SS) - and even perhaps the Heer (Army) and Luftwaffe (Air Force). So that is one thing to take into consideration.


Many people have respect for Admiral Doenitz as he was the last leader of the III Reich and tried to put an end to the war as decently as possible. Not many have that same respect, if any towards other notable leaders such as Goering (Luftwaffe) or Himmler (SS) for example.

Sunniva, maybe these waves are "waves of fate":laugh: Just a thought. It's ironic how many times when these waves occur, someone finds someone else they used to know or someone they had met at one point in time. Maybe someone they were even related to!


I agree that people generally want to stick with what's familiar, and I believe it is also out of fear. I observe this everyday where people become angry, upset or sometimes even violent at the mention of something they do not understand, isn't familiar, unknown, etc. I don't think this fear is necessarily natural. I think it's something a lot of people have had programmed in them by society. Or at least that's how I perceive it.


Outside those who have actually had Nazi PLs, you have the fearful and the arrogant. The fearful could very well have been involved in the Holocaust, but they are afraid they may have been and hence, seek out a different explanation. The arrogant take on that identity out of spite, out of rebelliousness, or because they think they look cool doing it (what exactly makes someone cool by claiming to either be or have been a Nazi? You might as well be wearing a hammer and sickle in 1950s America)


My father would be one of those people. And while I think it's still a possibility that these types of people may have also been involved with the Holocaust, I believe a lot of it is simply to get attention for themselves. I don't think that someone who actually was part of the Third Reich is going to go spout that off on public television, or to anyone for that mattter. You of course, always have that exception, but I have yet to see one.


One of the biggest mistakes I see others making in regards to well, anything, is not questioning and not thinking about the context or the situation that something is mentioned. If I were in Wal*Mart and some random person walked up to me and started going on about how they had a Nazi PL, I definitely wouldn't take them seriously. I'd see it as a way for them to get attention and I would walk on. Now, if I were sitting in the park somewhere with someone I don't know sitting next to me, and we got off on the topic of reincarnation, and he/she mentioned thinking they may have been a Nazi in a PL, I'd be much more likely to believe them.


Fear drives a lot of people to do crazy, nonsensical things, and sometimes potentially dangerous things. Of course, there are times when being afraid is okay, and when it may even save your life. But to live in fear of everything you don't understand will not help you understand it at all. It will become even more obscure and as a result, things you used to understand will become blurry as well. Arrogance also drives a lot of people to do things, and we can see where this got the Third Reich, USSR, the British Empire, the Roman Empire, where it's getting the US, etc.


Now, why are there so many that are REAL memories you ask? For the simple fact that so many people were involved in the Third Reich. Not everyone who was involved with the Holocaust or WWII was a Nazi or part of the SS, so that definitely adds some numbers to the mix. Then, you must take into account that because of what happened at the time, and because it's more recent, the memories are more likely to surface before anything else.

Mammatus said:

I agree that people generally want to stick with what's familiar, and I believe it is also out of fear. I observe this everyday where people become angry, upset or sometimes even violent at the mention of something they do not understand, isn't familiar, unknown, etc. I don't think this fear is necessarily natural. I think it's something a lot of people have had programmed in them by society. Or at least that's how I perceive it.
But to live in fear of everything you don't understand will not help you understand it at all. It will become even more obscure and as a result, things you used to understand will become blurry as well.

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That was well said. :thumbsup: I feel the same way as you do with regards to the subject.

Now, why are there so many that are REAL memories you ask? For the simple fact that so many people were involved in the Third Reich. Not everyone who was involved with the Holocaust or WWII was a Nazi or part of the SS, so that definitely adds some numbers to the mix. Then, you must take into account that because of what happened at the time, and because it's more recent, the memories are more likely to surface before anything else.

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I recently thought about this thing myself - as these were the first things I remembered - my time in the U-Bootwaffe, and then as time went on, I worked backwards (with the exception of the 'odd out of place' memory here and there). My first memory was of being a U-Boat commander - not of my time in the Handelsmarine and not of 19c Finland. So I agree that these things were the first to surface due to it being the most recent.


It is also true that not everyone who served on the German side in WWII was a 'Nazi'. In fact I had gotten into a fight with someone on a vintage living forum about this very subject. I stood my ground and I 'knew' I was right - although at the time I did not have the documentation to 'prove' it - I now do and it's in my U-Boat Site. The whole argument was about all of us being 'criminals in uniform' and that every German knew about the Holocaust. Well, I can now prove people wrong. I can also prove them wrong where it concerns the Reichswehr Oath - and that it wasn't until August 1934 that the Oath for the swearing in to the military had included swearing an allegiance to Hitler. Cause I 'caught FLAK' about that too.

Now, why are there so many that are REAL memories you ask? For the simple fact that so many people were involved in the Third Reich. Not everyone who was involved with the Holocaust or WWII was a Nazi or part of the SS, so that definitely adds some numbers to the mix. Then, you must take into account that because of what happened at the time, and because it's more recent, the memories are more likely to surface before anything else.

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But using that logic one must ask: where are all the people from Russia? Britain? France? Belgium? The Netherlands?


Why would a Nazi-soldier be more inclined to reincarnate than a WWI-soldier? Or an American soldier from Vietnam or the Golf war? Or a British or Dutch soldier from the South African Wars? Why is it that 98% of people, who step forward with memories of war claims to be German soldiers?


I know I'm playing the Devil's advocate here and probably stepping on some toes of which I'm sorry. I'm just trying to apply critical thinking : angel:tongue:

I have wondered about that myself Sunniva - but even more so, I have wondered why most of the Germans are (were) SS - where's other members of the Kriegsmarine?


It's very disproportionate - I didn't encounter too many that were in the Luftwaffe either (I only remember meeting 3 people from that branch of service), or even the Heer for that matter.


There were only a few civilians that I came across - and also, another group not mentioned - auxiliaries (DRK - German Red Cross, etc.). Where are they?

I agree 100%. Where are the rest?

Sunniva said:

But using that logic one must ask: where are all the people from Russia? Britain? France? Belgium? The Netherlands?
Why would a Nazi-soldier be more inclined to reincarnate than a WWI-soldier? Or an American soldier from Vietnam or the Golf war? Or a British or Dutch soldier from the South African Wars? Why is it that 98% of people, who step forward with memories of war claims to be German soldiers?


I know I'm playing the Devil's advocate here and probably stepping on some toes of which I'm sorry. I'm just trying to apply critical thinking : angel:tongue:

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I don't really know honestly. Seriously. Where are the rest???


I encounter this all the time when I'm looking for other people who had a PL during the Cold War, especially when it comes to Vietnam. Not once have I ever come across another past Cuban, let alone one who had been sent to the jungles of Vietnam for intelligence and interrogation purposes. Everyone I've ever met who has a PL during that time period was usually an American at that time and every once in a while, Soviet.


To be honest, and this may just be me not looking hard enough, I haven't met anyone else who remembers being in the Royal Navy during WWI. I've met some who remember being in the trenches, but that's about it.


Kapitan, I ended up in the Heer somehow. I don't how, but I did. I ended up in Stalingrad and most of the eastern front of the war. I kept getting bumped back and forth between machine guns and Panzer division. But I agree, I don't believe I've ever come across anyone else who was in the Heer. Where are they!? Neptune??????


Food for thought, I'll say.....

Mammatus: Kapitan, I ended up in the Heer somehow. I don't how, but I did. I ended up in Stalingrad and most of the eastern front of the war. I kept getting bumped back and forth between machine guns and Panzer division. But I agree, I don't believe I've ever come across anyone else who was in the Heer. Where are they!? Neptune??????

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Ok - I don't know how many I've met who were in the Heer (you're the first to my knowledge and memory).


See - I've had problems with these types of groups (the WWII German reincarnation ones) mainly because some of the members were, pure and simple, 'whack-jobs' - they were druggies or drunks and would post some really vulgar stuff. Some would also be 'neo-Nazis', Holocaust deniers, etc. And that kind of perplexed me because there I was in the group and would think about this sort of thing - these Holocaust deniers, while at the same time there were those members in the group who were involved with the Holocaust...and I often wondered how they felt with these folks behaving this way. It just made for an awkward situation - you have two people - reincarnated from WWII Germany - one was involved in the Holocaust and has the memories, etc. and the other is an outright Holocaust denier.


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There's just been way too much 'toxic' energy in the groups for my liking. Not only that, too much of the 'spiritual masochism' due to the whole concept of Karma. And, I don't like to see people beat themselves up quite frankly. While I don't condone what was done - beating oneself up doesn't resolve the issue, only self forgiveness does. So, in addition to the 'toxic' energies - there was too much 'heavy' energy for my liking as well.


Others mentioned the 'immature teenage' people - I've had the misfortune to run into those as well.


All in all - I've experienced the good, the bad, the ugly, and the downright nasty of these specific groups. Unfortunately, the good was outweighed by everything else. Just saying from experience.

Sunniva said:

Why would a Nazi-soldier be more inclined to reincarnate than a WWI-soldier? Or an American soldier from Vietnam or the Golf war? Or a British or Dutch soldier from the South African Wars? Why is it that 98% of people, who step forward with memories of war claims to be German soldiers?
I know I'm playing the Devil's advocate here and probably stepping on some toes of which I'm sorry. I'm just trying to apply critical thinking : angel:tongue:

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I think there are several things at play as to why we have reincarnated and remember, though I don't pretend to know all of it or how it all works. Emotionally charged times? Violent deaths? Some astrally preplanned, soul group thing? Nothing at all?


No idea.


For every question, I've heard at least six answers, and I have just accepted the fact that I don't know and have been working with the things I do.


Maybe part of it is just as simple as Owl and Gryph have mentioned: it's easy to recognize. If you're a little kid getting in trouble for drawing swastikas in the dirt or are receiving the stinky eye from your sixth grade history teacher because you asked too many questions with an unintentional, pro-Nazi feel, you learn very quickly that what is comfortable for you is very, VERY unacceptable.


Society and your own noggin tell you repeatedly that Nazi Germany is bad, horrible, and wrong...but something is there that you just can't let go of. It is then that people perhaps turn to reincarnation.


Of course, it takes a lot more than drawing swastikas in the dirt to verify a life from then, but you know what I mean.


I don't hear constantly that other armies or regimes of the past are evil. But Nazi Germany? Yes. Maybe not daily, but at least a few times a week.

I know what you mean about the stink-eye from teachers. In high school I did a report on Nazi Germany civilian life. Because I wasn't railing against it, I must have been applauding it, right? My report was neutral and purely academic. At no point did I write that anything was morally 'good' or 'bad'. It simply 'was'. Not only did I have to argue with the teacher over his remarks, I took to the front of the class and challenged them to show any indication that I was for the Nazis simply because my report was not against them. I got the same reaction on history forum when I answered a question on slavery in the United States from a non-emotional, academic standpoint without foaming at the mouth. Because I was not weeping tears of blood for the slaves, I must think slavery is okay. Yeesh!


What would be interesting is to see the age ranges of "Dead Nazis". (I hope nobody finds that term offensive. I think it has a better sound to it than 'ex-Nazis' or 'former Nazis', which conjures up a whole different image!) Maybe we should do a poll with age ranges listed so that nobody has to reveal any specific information.


Another question for those who drew swastikas as children without knowing what they were; are you sure it was the Nazi swastika, and not the swastika of India or of the Native Americans? Or did the people who saw you doing it give a knee-jerk reaction, not knowing (or else forgetting) that the swastika is not unique to the Nazis?

Another board I used to belong to, which is now dead, made such a poll. I believe the earliest birth year was in the late 60s and the last was in late 80s.


Of course, this could just be a reflection of people who are of age to go online and be inaccurate as heck.

Another question for those who drew swastikas as children without knowing what they were; are you sure it was the Nazi swastika, and not the swastika of India or of the Native Americans? Or did the people who saw you doing it give a knee-jerk reaction, not knowing (or else forgetting) that the swastika is not unique to the Nazis?

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My point exactly : angel:thumbsup:

People, it' s a number of things, the swastika is just an example. If it was just that nobody would care. Usually it also comes with a love for Germany, WWII, sometimes guns and anything war related, i read some people also drew the SS runes. Some others even had memories!


Is it that hard to believe that Nazis can reincarnate? actually it' s a serious question. Maybe there' s some sort of "Collective denial" since i remember reading somewhere else, from people who believed in reincarnation, that no Nazis could reincarnate because they were all burning in some sort of hell paying for what they did in that life...


Accepting that Nazis reincarnate would be accepting that no matter what we do, we still reincarnate, and we're not having horrible lives, we' re having regular lives. So then it' s harder to believe in justice? I' m speaking in general terms but i was thinking for a while that people actually need to believe there is some sort of Karmic Justice.

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My point exactly : angel:thumbsup:

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In my post I said it would take a lot more than something like drawing swastikas in the dirt to make a valid past life claim. It was an example.

you dont hear a lot about the Belgians, the Dutch, the British during the Holocaust. or the German Red Cross, the French Resistance, Jewish Nazis, other auxiliaries, etc. you mainly hear about the Nazis (SS, Doktors, normal everyday soldiers, etc) and the victims - bad guys sell history like bad guys sell movies. i've known a couple people who were reincarnated Allied soldiers during WW2, tho.


but you could easily say "where are the Gypsies? where are Jehovah's Witnesses? where are the Catholics? the homosexuals? the political prisoners? the Kapo? where are the Victim-etc's?" as well. there are tons of reincarnated Jewish Holocaust victims, but i have yet to meet 1 Gypsy, Jehovah's Witness, Soviet POW, etc on a reincarnation forum or in real life. because you tend to hear about the Jews, not the Gypsies, the gays, the Kapo, the Sonderkommando, etc. so it's the same thing, only nobody asks because they're not seen as evil like the Nazis were. : angel


i think so many dead Nazis around probably because it's drilled into you practically since birth it seems, that Nazis = Evil. at least here in the US, anyway. and if you find yourself having memories (or whatever you happen to call them) of a life in Nazi Germany on the "wrong side" then you wanna find out more about it. i know myself, i tried to convince myself that i couldnt be that evil so maybe i was on the other side (and died in a camp) but once i realized that history is history, and not to judge peoples' actions in the past by today's standards, it made it easier to me to realize i had a life as a Nazi.


i was never a rebellious teenager type - my dad was in the US Navy and so i was 1 of those military kids who behaved because it reflected on my father and his rank. my parents didnt approve of me being 4 or 5 and drawing swastikas everywhere because according to what my mom told me later i "had one on my uniform when i was older" from what i said when i was 5 when they asked me why i was drawing swastikas all over the place. playing Concentration Camp, drawing piles of emaciated corpses as a kid in art class lol. stuff like that. and i had never seen or watched anything on the Holocaust til jr high - my parents kept it from me because of my super-intense interest in the subject, particularly the SS and life in the camps. not to mention complete 100% apathy toward the Holocaust in general. sorry, but yah. i think they were worried i'd become a Neo-Nazi or something, i dunno


but you hear a lot about Rome, the Tudor era, Nazi Germany, ancient Egypt, etc. so there are probably more triggers floating around for the people who had those lives. not so many triggers of the Spanish vs Dutch thing in the 1600s that caused tons of Dutch to come to the Americas (as my Dutch ancestors did - the ONLY reason i know about that time period), so someone who lived a life during that time probably would have to be actively looking for triggers to bring on memories because you cant just turn on the History Channel and watch a documentary on it. so more popular time periods are gonna have more people coming out with those PL's than an obscure period w/ barely any triggers around to flip a switch.


personally for me, my clearest memories are from a past life in the Vietnam War (since it's my most recent PL) which i'm done with researching that one because i had tons confirmed by people in my PL's company using the old "i'm doing a research paper" approach. so i moved onto trying to validate my Nazi PL.


too, Nazis are unacceptable, so maybe when 1 Nazi comes out of the Nazi Closet so to speak, it makes other Dead Nazis more comfortable to come out too, when otherwise they probably wouldnt have because really, when it comes down to it, if you say "i have a PL as an SS/Nazi/Einzatsgruppen (sp?)" and begin describing in as little detail as possible as to not offend people, who's gonna say "oh wow! what a revelation, you must be so excited to validate this stuff." they're gonna look at you and be like "omg, who the hell let THIS guy in here? get the Nazi outta here!" unless it's a forum geared toward Dead Nazis where people wont look at you with a stink-eye.


but that's just my opinion : angel

Owl said:

People, it' s a number of things, the swastika is just an example. If it was just that nobody would care. Usually it also comes with a love for Germany, WWII, sometimes guns and anything war related, i read some people also drew the SS runes. Some others even had memories!
Is it that hard to believe that Nazis can reincarnate? actually it' s a serious question. Maybe there' s some sort of "Collective denial" since i remember reading somewhere else, from people who believed in reincarnation, that no Nazis could reincarnate because they were all burning in some sort of hell paying for what they did in that life...

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i agree for the longest time as a kid i made myself (out of clay in art class) 2 sig runes that i'd wear as a necklace - sadly when the principal saw it (i accidentally wore them outside my shirt that day), he called my parents and i was made to throw them away and got detention and was made to watch a documentary on the Holocaust and talk to a former Victim. but anyway, i agree.


to some (many? most?), it seems hard to believe that Nazis can reincarnate because of the Hell concept. essentially they were nothing more than soldiers/sailors/airmen/guards when it comes down to it - only because of the things some did, all are colored as Evil and burning in Hell, incapable of reincarnating.

Owl: Is it that hard to believe that Nazis can reincarnate? actually it' s a serious question. Maybe there' s some sort of "Collective denial" since i remember reading somewhere else, from people who believed in reincarnation, that no Nazis could reincarnate because they were all burning in some sort of hell paying for what they did in that life...
Accepting that Nazis reincarnate would be accepting that no matter what we do, we still reincarnate, and we're not having horrible lives, we' re having regular lives. So then it' s harder to believe in justice?

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I would say you have a valid point - and in my view, it only comes to prove that 'Divine Grace' (Unconditional Love) is stronger than any sort of 'Karmic/Cosmic Justice'. You're already forgiven - it's just that some have to work on forgiving themselves.

Owl said:

People, it' s a number of things, the swastika is just an example.

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Yes.


Now, the two examples I gave (drawing swastikas in the dirt, getting a bit of static from a teacher) are not mine. My stuff showed up in different ways as a child, and in class I knew better than say anything. Always a lurker!


I am not sure if the newer members here would remember, but anyone online about 8-ish years ago could probably tell you about a person talking about being a reincarnated Nazi, and was pretty open about it, considering the times. Her verifications of obscure details were really awesome and her story was an amazing read. I can say with confidence than anyone reading her stuff would be fairly convinced of her claim.


And those examples I gave?


They're hers.


And she's about as far away as an angsty, attention-seeker as you can get.

I think that it's safe to say here, is that the overall point being raised is that highly visible and emotional circumstances and events create create a large number of false positive memories, for whatever respective reasons they occur.


That's not finger pointing at anyone, nor lumping anyone into any category, as nearly everyone in the discussion has raised the issue of being frustrated for the same reasons.


For the people asking where everyone else is, the reasons are many.. First, if you look around and dig on this site, you'll find many stories of being merely bakers, laborers, someone's husband or wife, or a simple farm girl.


Many people may have many of their own indications, hints and synchronicities but fail to recognize them for just as many different reasons: the culture they live in, their personal beliefs, maybe they're too busy paying the bills or too shy to say anything about it.


Well all know that someone out there had to be the assistant machine gunner and carry the belted rounds and extra barrels. He's out there somewhere, maybe he just doesn't know it yet :laugh:

Sunniva said:

But using that logic one must ask: where are all the people from Russia? Britain? France? Belgium? The Netherlands?
Why would a Nazi-soldier be more inclined to reincarnate than a WWI-soldier? Or an American soldier from Vietnam or the Golf war? Or a British or Dutch soldier from the South African Wars? Why is it that 98% of people, who step forward with memories of war claims to be German soldiers?


I know I'm playing the Devil's advocate here and probably stepping on some toes of which I'm sorry. I'm just trying to apply critical thinking : angel:tongue:

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All perfectly valid questions.


In the time that I've been here the number of members, both past and present, who believe they are either a German or a holocaust victim during WWII is staggering. I'm not trying to discredit anyone's memories or claims, just observing what I see. I've heard a ballpark estimation as many as 50 million casualites worldwide during WWII. That would make for a lot of reincarnated souls walking around with the trauma of WWII fresh in their subconscious, so it doesn't surprise me that we have a lot of members coming in here with memories of WWII. However, holocaust victims and those fighting for Germany are only going to make up a fraction of the millions who died during those 6 miserable years. It does beg the question - where are all the non-Germans and non-Jews?


Where's the guy who says he died at Pearl Harbor, or Midway, or Iwo Jima, North Africa, Italy, the beaches of Normandy, or the Blitzkrieg runs over London?

Shiftkitty said:

Another question for those who drew swastikas as children without knowing what they were; are you sure it was the Nazi swastika, and not the swastika of India or of the Native Americans? Or did the people who saw you doing it give a knee-jerk reaction, not knowing (or else forgetting) that the swastika is not unique to the Nazis?

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I am living in a Buddhist country, I can tell the difference between a Nazi one.. =="


Usually the Nazi swastika is a little bent, the Buddhist one is straight.

Truthseeker said:

All perfectly valid questions.
In the time that I've been here the number of members, both past and present, who believe they are either a German or a holocaust victim during WWII is staggering. I'm not trying to discredit anyone's memories or claims, just observing what I see. I've heard a ballpark estimation as many as 50 million casualites worldwide during WWII. That would make for a lot of reincarnated souls walking around with the trauma of WWII fresh in their subconscious, so it doesn't surprise me that we have a lot of members coming in here with memories of WWII. However, holocaust victims and those fighting for Germany are only going to make up a fraction of the millions who died during those 6 miserable years. It does beg the question - where are all the non-Germans and non-Jews?


Where's the guy who says he died at Pearl Harbor, or Midway, or Iwo Jima, North Africa, Italy, the beaches of Normandy, or the Blitzkrieg runs over London?

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I can remember being a scared 19 year old curled in a trench in the Somme so completely terrified of dying from "the Gas" that I didnt realise my actual wounds were killing me.


I can also remember dancing with my daughter in 1860, and of working at my fathers harness shop with my brother until the war came.


I can also remember dying of a drug OD on the back of a soiled mattress behind a store somewhere in the US in the early 1970's because I couldnt deal with the things I saw and the things I remembered


Just because people dont talk about other memories doesnt mean they dont have them. Also, as was said before, sometimes the big memories, or the ones that come with more baggage come through stronger. It seems to me that there are a lot more people who remember Confederate PL's as Union... does that mean they are all fake as well? No. But, from what I have observed, the folks who more than likely have had Union PL's dont actively remember them (even though some of the ones I know scream "Yankee" louder than any I have ever seen) But, they won the war, and more than likely they dont have the baggage that ex Confederates might have.


MOST people dont remember their past lives. When it comes to trying to make sweeping generalizations as to where "these people" or "those folks" are, we cant do it because the pool we have is way too small. IMHO, they did come back, they just dont remember it, possibly because there is no need for them to.

Just a side note:

Usually the Nazi swastika is a little bent, the Buddhist one is straight.

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However the swastika was also a much used prehistoric symbol, which was pretty much the reason why the Nazis adopted it. It was all about justifying the Germannic/Arian rights and superiority and almost all of the Nazi symbolism is taken from German and Nordic prehistory. So you can find items from e.g. Danish prehistory with swastikas that are completely similar to the Nazi ones


In 1944 Danish archaeologists found a fibula from the Roman Iron Age. It had a runic inscription and a swastika on it, however they removed the swastika on all the photos of the fibula, so that the Germans wouldn't see it. I think that's a funny little story.

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Where's the guy who says he died at Pearl Harbor, or Midway, or Iwo Jima, North Africa, Italy, the beaches of Normandy, or the Blitzkrieg runs over London?

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I met, in person, a living historian who, back in '07 - opened up to me about him feeling like he was a reincarnated RAF pilot. I was able to help him out a bit and, perhaps that was all he needed.


I have to agree with Gryph with regards to the baggage concerning memories. If I compare myself to say a former SS person - there is almost no comparison. They're going to have way more baggage than I. Added into that is the view that is deeply ingrained in society. I mentioned Das Boot drastically changing the way many feel about U-Boat crews and commanders, but the SS will - I am sure - forever be seen as a 'criminal organization'.


Also - the type of warfare - I was away from all the 'blood-guts-and-gore' type of warfare. Michael Hadley, in the book, 'Count Not the Dead' discusses this situation. The 'illusion' that the war out at sea is 'clean'. My type of warfare was primarily psychological, this isn't to say that others weren't, but the way the fighting was - was by and large psychological 'cat and mouse' games.


I simply just don't have the baggage that these people have.

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Just because people dont talk about other memories doesnt mean they dont have them.

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True, but there are an abudance of opportunities to discuss WWII related lives on this forum.

... does that mean they are all fake as well?

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I must have missed something. I don't see anywhere in my last post where I accused anyone's memories of being fake.

When it comes to trying to make sweeping generalizations as to where "these people" or "those folks" are, we cant do it because the pool we have is way too small.

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You can accuse me of making a sweeping generalization, but I'm merely raising the question to stimulate thought. I understand that this forum is a 'small pond' and isn't necessarily going to accurately represent the general population. I'm just saying that in 2 and a half years here, and much of that time as a moderator, it surprises me we really haven't had anyone come in with memories of WWII from other points of view.


Do we all believe in reincarnation here? Yes. Am I accusing anyone of faking memories? No. But I do think this has been a good conversation. I think it is a disservice to the forum and to the subject of reincarnation as a whole to raise questions and apply some critical thought from time to time.

**NOTE** in order to assuage possible misunderstanding, this response is part to the poster quoted and partially to the forum as a whole.

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True, but there are an abudance of opportunities to discuss WWII related lives on this forum.

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Please read my statement again. Just because people had lives in certain eras doesnt mean they WANT to talk about them. For example, the two lives I mentioned previously, WWI and 1970's... I am far less likely to talk about them than other lifetimes because they still cause a great deal of emotion. I have been dealing with feelings from my WWII past life for over 20 years, and the other ones are much newer and the pain emotion are much stronger because I havent been working with it as long (Heck, I really, really want to see "War Horse" but havent been able to bring myself to go because I fear it may bring some emotions to the surface im not ready for... and I wasnt even in the cav.) Just because I dont talk about it doesnt mean I dont have those memories. Same with many others. Just because someone doesnt respond to a topic doesnt mean they dont remember being there.


And again, the point that you did not address... maybe the people that dont remember them dont have a need to remember. You are a victorious allied soldier... yeah you saw some stuff but you still won and feel that what you did was honourable and makes you fulfulled... why would you need to remember? Old scars hurt faster than bruises, even when they have been healed for longer.

I must have missed something. I don't see anywhere in my last post where I accused anyone's memories of being fake.

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This is not directly at you. There are a number of sweeping generalizations being made in this post, many of which allude to the fact that anyone who comes out with a WWII german memory is bunk. You at least are willing to take a measured attempt to say that there are some legitimate people

You can accuse me of making a sweeping generalization, but I'm merely raising the question to stimulate thought. I understand that this forum is a 'small pond' and isn't necessarily going to accurately represent the general population. I'm just saying that in 2 and a half years here, and much of that time as a moderator, it surprises me we really haven't had anyone come in with memories of WWII from other points of view.

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This is true, and there are more forums than this one and you see this and other time periods that do have a lot of claimants come in. As has been said earlier, theres more Romanovs than you can shake a stick at and enough Titanic 'victims' to fill the "Great White Fleet"... oh, and dont get me started on the "Cleopatra complex" and "insert famous general here". The question still arises in my head... i have never seen a thread asking why so many Titanic casualties or why so many Native Americans or why so many people claiming jewish holocaust lives. But here is this thread.


Its been said before and I will say it again, I believe that common people have a hard time believing that someone could be someone really nasty in a past life... I mean, if they were, they must be roasting in a Dante-esque inferno or the real life equivalent to Dexter Morgan... because surely that kind of person couldnt be a "normal, everyday Joe". In the end, I think that is the root of all of this.


And are there fakes and wackos.. heck yeah. There were also people who bought Dahmers silverware. There are wakjobs everywhere. And WWII draws its share... not just in the PL sense. I mean search Heydrich or Himmler on Deviant art sometime. Interesting times there. But as has been said earlier, that simply muddies the water and makes it harder for those who actually do have genuine memories.

Do we all believe in reincarnation here? Yes. Am I accusing anyone of faking memories? No. But I do think this has been a good conversation. I think it is a disservice to the forum and to the subject of reincarnation as a whole to raise questions and apply some critical thought from time to time.

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Indeed, it has been. And more than anything else, it has been beneficial to the forum as a whole, as it seems to have brought some members out of the woodwork. Sometimes stirring the pot by helping out... controversial topics has its advantages, both in helpful and introspective conversation and in forum activity.

Gryph: Just because people had lives in certain eras doesnt mean they WANT to talk about them. For example, the two lives I mentioned previously, WWI and 1970's... I am far less likely to talk about them than other lifetimes because they still cause a great deal of emotion. I have been dealing with feelings from my WWII past life for over 20 years, and the other ones are much newer and the pain emotion are much stronger because I havent been working with it as long (Heck, I really, really want to see "War Horse" but havent been able to bring myself to go because I fear it may bring some emotions to the surface im not ready for... and I wasnt even in the cav.) Just because I dont talk about it doesnt mean I dont have those memories. Same with many others. Just because someone doesnt respond to a topic doesnt mean they dont remember being there.

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To me, this is a completely valid statement - because what of those who did survive the war/s - not all who survived even will want to talk about it.


I also agree on the previous statement with regards to not needing to remember their PLs. I've always felt that way about the situation. I also feel there are souls on the planet who are on their very first lifetime. Even I don't have a large number of times 'around the block'. My first lifetime was in the 19c.


In my view, to lump who knows how many souls, in the same category (such as all souls having x number of lifetimes, all souls having 'life lessons', all souls having to remember any of their PLs, etc.) is like 'painting with a broad brush'. It's a very generalizing way to view things. I personally feel that it is a subject that is beyond the comprehension of our mind's understanding.

Glyph, rest assured if the matter had been titanic survivors or 13th century Cornish shoe makers, the same question would have raised.


The original question was made after an observation. I don't think the original poster meant any harm and its safe to put the soap back in the box :laugh:

I think I am misunderstood. I dont take offense to the fact that it was brought up. Indeed it has led to many good points being made by both sides. I am simply interested that it DID come up because the other groups have always been there. Why is it that a topic on there being so many dead nazis comes up before one on why so many Titanic survivors or dead jews, or any other topic. What would cause a simple person to make that observation with Dead Nazis specifically over seeing the same thing on other groups. That is what interests me.


And I fully believe that the original poster did not mean any harm, and I sincerely hope that none of my comments have been taken to mean anything against the OP, as that is certainly not the way they were intended.