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What is the end purpose of reincarnation?

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Gypsy8

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I've heard of various purposes of reincarnation, and am wondering if where it all ends up depends on our beliefs, our upbringing, or something else.

From things I've read here, and other places, it appears to be a very mixed bag. I've also noticed over the years that some areas of belief about it are interchangeable for many. They believe one way, then read of a different way, and like it better, and go that way.

I'd like to learn your thoughts on where living all these lives finally leads us.
 
Interesting question Gypsy, I don't think anyone can give an accurate answer to the end purpose of reincarnation because as you have noticed, there are so many different theories and opinions, we can't all be right.


Personally, I compare the end of reincarnation to looking at a perfect circle drawn on a piece of paper and trying to figure out where it begins and where it ends.
 
I am guessing that most people here think that we are a spirit in a human body,


and when you think of us that way, the possible reasons for reincarnation start to come to mind,


it could be we have nothing better to do,


could be that it is easier to learn in a body,


could be that we want the energy a body has,


or we want to be with friends,


we could be forced to show up here,


my guess is that many of have different reasons why we incarnated,


just like everyone at a movie theater is not there for the same reason,


many want to see the movie, some went to be with friends, some are payed to be there...
 
Whatever possible reasons there may be, the idea of learning and growing (in order to help others learn, grow, and heal) resonates most for me.


It may very well be that we all have unique motivations for entering time as we do.
 
Personally right now do think that it is not the end that is as important as it is the journey. As for myself, I Love Life!!! Personally I see that there is sooooo much to life with so many things to see, do, and experience. And how little can we actually see and do in one lifetime. And in actuality how indeed short is one human life. One might say that I am addicted to life! Now as far as I think that when this present life is over, I just will want to just come back and have another human life again and again.


Now again I agree with spacecase above in that we are spiritual beings that inhabit a human body. It seems how many people get all caught up in everything that one has to learn thru a human lifetime. But think of all the very simple joys in a life that we all desire and hunger for. I think it is for these reasons that how many of us come back again and again thru various lifetimes. It is again to experience these very simple human joys. Like I said at the beginning, do think it is maybe not the end that matters but the journey we have thru experiencing all of these various different lives with experiencing life.


Wishing Everyone the Best!
 
Mere Dreamer said:
Whatever possible reasons there may be, the idea of learning and growing (in order to help others learn, grow, and heal) resonates most for me.
It may very well be that we all have unique motivations for entering time as we do.
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I burned some bridges in some my past


lives . It makes me question why me.?


I know there a lessons to learn. I still,


find myself screaming at god in anger.
 
Interesting question, Aged Gypsy, and as others said, many answers are possible. But suppose there IS an end to reincarnation, would that make our Souls happy? Would we be happy to stop learning? or stop experiencing?


Everything goes on, and no-one can know where it ends. Compare it with everyday life. If you have a job, and you retire, someone else will take your place. And so on, till maybe some day the company stops to exist. Then what was the end purpose of your job?


If you have children, your purpose is to raise them well, to contribute to their happiness, so that they in their turn can do the same, have children, trying to give them a good life...till one day maybe the genealogical line stops. Then what has been the end purpose of your family line?


There are mysteries in Life that are great to reflect upon, but I believe at the moment our spiritual comprehension is not expanded enough to grasp it all.
 
The word that comes to mind is "desire." Desire to me is a disturbance in a calm and peaceful ocean.


Suddenly huge waves erupt from the placid surface and carry themselves quickly to shore where they get to experience a few seconds of encounter with what was once a distant world, and then the forces of nature pull them back again into the ocean to start the process all over.


Our desires have such a strong pull over us that we can't help but reincarnate into this world so we can live out our greatest fantasies on the shore of this world, before nature takes its course and we're sucked back from where we came and begin the process all over again.


It works best where we are able to clear out all the trash that was polluting our part of our ocean while we're here, so we don't return with the same garbage poisoning our experience and the life of those around us.
 
Aged Gypsy said:
I've heard of various purposes of reincarnation, and am wondering if where it all ends up depends on our beliefs, our upbringing, or something else.
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When I was 18, I erased the 'chalk board' (past life memories) and started from 'scratch.' I had no conscious memories of 'reincarnation' and - I had virtually no interest in the subject what so ever. The only reason I pondered it was - because my family was left with their memories of our many conversations of reincarnation as a child.


After my NDE at the age of 18, I had direct access to spirits who were 'standing in the shadows' of my life whispering secrets about various matters. I wanted to know the answer to this question myself.


Why? It didn't make sense to me.


Over and over again, I had parable expressions given to me from spirit and I came to the conclusion and formed the opinion - there is no point. Our spirits reincarnate - because they can.


Sincerely,


DKing
 
The word that comes to mind is "desire."
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Sarellah, I read today the article that Deborah recommended.


Look what is written there:

both groups also said that their emotions and desires existed before they were born
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It is about research with children in Ecuador; one group was from roman catholic families (who believe life begins at conception), the other group were children with no cultural prelife beliefs.


I like your point of view!


Eevee
 
Eevee said:
Interesting question, Aged Gypsy, and as others said, many answers are possible. But suppose there IS an end to reincarnation, would that make our Souls happy? Would we be happy to stop learning? or stop experiencing?
Everything goes on, and no-one can know where it ends. Compare it with everyday life. If you have a job, and you retire, someone else will take your place. And so on, till maybe some day the company stops to exist. Then what was the end purpose of your job?


If you have children, your purpose is to raise them well, to contribute to their happiness, so that they in their turn can do the same, have children, trying to give them a good life...till one day maybe the genealogical line stops. Then what has been the end purpose of your family line?


There are mysteries in Life that are great to reflect upon, but I believe at the moment our spiritual comprehension is not expanded enough to grasp it all.
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Yours is a very interesting response, Eevee, because you describe my life pretty well. I raised my children as well as I could, and they've raised theirs. And it appears that my line has ended.


I've spent a great percentage of my life reflecting on the many mysteries of life, not just my own, but in general as well. One conclusion I've come to is that eventually we will have experienced all there is to experience in our many lifetimes, and in those eons of time, as we find ourselves in the same situations we've lived in many times before, and that desire has faded into boredom, what would we wish for - an end to it all, or some place where we could live in peace and harmony with the beauty of nature, with no wars, disease, birth defects, unexpected deaths, etc., that we've experienced over and over in our incarnations?


A place to be with others we've been with many times over those eons, living peaceful, and fulfilling lives, using all of the talents and skills we learned in the many incarnations we'd had, and being able to "take a rest" from even living like this if we so desired, able to go in spirit form as our body sleeps, wherever in the universe we care to go, then return at will whenever we wished to, or not to return at all.


I've reflected on the concept of the Christian Heaven, and asked this same question of people who believe in it. I get pretty much the same kinds of replies that most here have posted.
 
Sarellah said:
The word that comes to mind is "desire." Desire to me is a disturbance in a calm and peaceful ocean.
Suddenly huge waves erupt from the placid surface and carry themselves quickly to shore where they get to experience a few seconds of encounter with what was once a distant world, and then the forces of nature pull them back again into the ocean to start the process all over.


Our desires have such a strong pull over us that we can't help but reincarnate into this world so we can live out our greatest fantasies on the shore of this world, before nature takes its course and we're sucked back from where we came and begin the process all over again.


It works best where we are able to clear out all the trash that was polluting our part of our ocean while we're here, so we don't return with the same garbage poisoning our experience and the life of those around us.
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But isn't desire spark of life?


Absence of desires is definition of depression, and I don't think that ultimate depression, absence of want for love, knowledge, life etc. is a good thing but I may be wrong.
 
Because I believe we are three separate identities in one our souls, our pure identities and awareness and our physical bodies


For me reincarnation is all about reaching our destiny.


I believe our destiny will arrive when all three become equal and we become just the one identity . We become pure,.


We become what the original souls were and is the whole reason for why it all started, to evolve back to them
 
Shantife said:
But isn't desire spark of life?
Absence of desires is definition of depression, and I don't think that ultimate depression, absence of want for love, knowledge, life etc. is a good thing but I may be wrong.
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I'm with you in many ways Shantife. I don't know if the absence of desire is 'depression' though. Perhaps the absence of desire might be 'serenity'? However, some people's idea of 'hell' is too much serenity! :)


There is an old joke that goes something along the lines of the 'naughty' people of this world (those who like to get up to all kinds of mischief) would consider the common conception of of 'heaven' to be their own personal 'hell'. All that quiet, calm, harp playing and clouds would drive them crazy!


The Buddhists talk about the absence of 'desire' (attachment, drama, emotional pain, longing) as being essential to achieving 'nirvana' (enlightenment, serenity, wisdom). It's not easy to achieve, obviously, but they consider it is a worthy task that may take many lives to achieve. It is understood that not everyone cares about achieving nirvanna, and many prefer to spend their days satisfying their 'desires'. There is no punishment or anything for this in the Buddhist system, but they believe that people eventually all find their way to enlightenment, even if it takes some longer than others.


Eventually, according to their system, a person will decide to 'move on' to the 'next level' and go off and have other adventures once they have done all they need to do on this 'level of existence'.


I quite like the Buddhist conception and it tends to agree with my thinking.
 
spacecase0 said:
....the possible reasons for reincarnation start to come to mind,
it could be we have nothing better to do,


could be that it is easier to learn in a body,


could be that we want the energy a body has,


or we want to be with friends,


we could be forced to show up here,


my guess is that many of have different reasons why we incarnated,


just like everyone at a movie theater is not there for the same reason,


many want to see the movie, some went to be with friends, some are payed to be there...
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I like this answer too spacecase0. People often want there to be one answer to this complex question, but perhaps there are as many answers as there are souls?
 
kmatjhwy said:
Personally right now do think that it is not the end that is as important as it is the journey...
...But think of all the very simple joys in a life that we all desire and hunger for. I think it is for these reasons that how many of us come back again and again thru various lifetimes. It is again to experience these very simple human joys. Like I said at the beginning, do think it is maybe not the end that matters but the journey we have thru experiencing all of these various different lives with experiencing life.
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I would tend to agree with you Kmatjhwy, the Journey is the thing, not so much the end-point. Maybe that's all there is to it, we are here to Experience Life, the Universe and all it has to offer? Maybe we are just a way for the Universe to Experience itself in all possible ways? All the joys, love and laughter. Beauty and sorrow. Compassion, awe and wonder. Life! In which case, maybe the end-point will be when the Universe gets bored of experiencing and goes onto something else? When it/we have experienced everything and know all there is to know? Who knows? Certainly not me!


I'll admit that I've had some bad and terrible Experiences during my lives, but the bad times have always been surpassed by the Experiences of love, beauty, joy and compassion. Even in the horror of a warzone there is beauty to be found in the sunrise.
 
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