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The Elite (Illuminati) and their past lives

hirobo2

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First of all a little background info. There exists today a group of individuals known as The Elite (or "The Powers That Be"), who control the world thru finances and the media.

[Some comments with adult content concerning the suggestive shapes of movie space ships have been deleted. T.]

So, having gotten the background info out of the way, and proof that, yes, J.J. Abrams is an Illuminati, Disney as an organization is an Illuminati, my questions are as follows:

1. Does anyone have more info on the Illuminati?

2. What dictates that a person should be born an Illuminati? Must they have some sort of spiritual connection with existing Illuminati members? Can someone who never lived their previous life as an Illuminati be born one in the next?

(P.S.: I myself am not a member of a Secret Society, but an outside observant).
 
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I disagree that Star Wars if only as loved as it is because of sexual imagery. Isn't that generalizing too much?I appreciate the story for what it is.
 
AndreaFrances said:
I disagree that Star Wars if only as loved as it is because of sexual imagery. Isn't that generalizing too much?I appreciate the story for what it is.
No you are wrong. The entire universe is made up of sexual energies. Think about the fruits you eat and what they really are (sunlight energy converted into matter thru the "sexual organs" of the plants).


This is why sex is the main theme of the Illuminati. They're only mirroring what is happening in the world.


Normal ppl see the X-wing and Millennium Falcon as they are, mere spaceships. The Illuminati see something symbolic and with deeper meanings. This is how they identify themselves to one another, by displaying symbols that ordinary ppl can't and won't see...


Star Wars is a cultural icon b/c ppl subconsciously identify with the symbols they represent, though they may not be consciously aware of it. In other words, your soul already knew what the X-wing and Millennium Falcon really are, and that is why it (your soul) told you and countless other ppl the world over to love Star Wars, though you may not have discovered the reasons why until you read my post...
 
hirobo2 said:
1. Does anyone have more info on the Illuminati?
I had to look up the word to figure out what the ordinary or normal definition is to find some meaning.

  • Illuminati: The Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name given to several groups, both real and fictitious. Wikipedia
  • Illuminationism: Illuminationism is a doctrine according to which the process of human thought needs to be aided by divine grace. It is the oldest and most influential alternative to naturalism in the theory of mind and epistemology. Wikipedia


So the question has to be asked. Who you talking about? Fact or fiction?


Sincerely,


DKing
 
dking777 said:
I had to look up the word to figure out what the ordinary or normal definition is to find some meaning.
  • Illuminati: The Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name given to several groups, both real and fictitious. Wikipedia
  • Illuminationism: Illuminationism is a doctrine according to which the process of human thought needs to be aided by divine grace. It is the oldest and most influential alternative to naturalism in the theory of mind and epistemology. Wikipedia


So the question has to be asked. Who you talking about? Fact or fiction?


Sincerely,


DKing
The dude who met his soul mate and what's the other term for something greater than a soul mate a twin heart? (I'd read some of your posts). And here he can't believe something as simple as a shadow society that exists within the world today...


Anyways, the stuff I'm disclosing here is just tip of the iceberg. There are stuff I don't know, but the rabbit hole goes down much deeper than that. If you read up on "Gnosticism" it seems to be the closest resemblance to what each and every Illuminati knows that is publicly available on the internet...


(Btw, the reason why I started this thread is b/c I think I was born into the wrong life. I'm sick of this so-called ordinary lives of ordinary ppl, whom the Illuminati refer to as "the Profane"/unknowing ppl. I'd much rather have lived as an illuminati who I seem to see as having much more fun than an ordinary person)...
 
hirobo2 said:
And here he can't believe something as simple as a shadow society that exists within the world today...
In response to AndreaFrances

hirobo2 said:
........No you are wrong.......
When expressing an opinion on any subject matter (invisible or visible) which you are doing here on this forum, -- there is no right or wrong. We all express our opinions here - without taking ourselves too seriously and expecting everyone to agree with our personal point of view.


What I believe is -- that particular word (Illuminati) has taken on a whole different meaning than the original use of it.


Back in my day -- growing up in the world - I had to contend with 'fear-mongers' running around shouting out, "the world is ending." They would stand on street corners with signs. Every few years -- there would be a new date set. Of course, that day would come and pass and the world was still standing. The big one was 1999 and the Y2K thing. Of course the new millennium started without a hitch and that particular brand of 'fear-mongering' sort of lost it's teeth and bite.


Now, it seems the new 'fade' or phase in that sort of 'fear' based thing has been replaced with the 'Illuminati' -- out to get you or control you in some sort of sinister way.


Me? What I believe and think when I hear the word "Illuminati' --- I think of the 'fear-mongers' back in my day and their 900 foot Jesus -- with a new approach to spreading their fear.


That is just my personal opinion on the matter. Of course, I could be wrong -- but that is my right.


Sincerely,


DKing
 
dking777 said:
In response to AndreaFrances
When expressing an opinion on any subject matter (invisible or visible) which you are doing here on this forum, -- there is no right or wrong. We all express our opinions here - without taking ourselves too seriously and expecting everyone to agree with our personal point of view.


What I believe is -- that particular word (Illuminati) has taken on a whole different meaning than the original use of it.


Back in my day -- growing up in the world - I had to contend with 'fear-mongers' running around shouting out, "the world is ending." They would stand on street corners with signs. Every few years -- there would be a new date set. Of course, that day would come and pass and the world was still standing. The big one was 1999 and the Y2K thing. Of course the new millennium started without a hitch and that particular brand of 'fear-mongering' sort of lost it's teeth and bite.


Now, it seems the new 'fade' or phase in that sort of 'fear' based thing has been replaced with the 'Illuminati' -- out to get you or control you in some sort of sinister way.


Me? What I believe and think when I hear the word "Illuminati' --- I think of the 'fear-mongers' back in my day and their 900 foot Jesus -- with a new approach to spreading their fear.


That is just my personal opinion on the matter. Of course, I could be wrong -- but that is my right.


Sincerely,


DKing
Look, there are times when something is a "is the glass half empty or half full", and there are other times when 2+2 definitely ain't 5!


So, clearly, the universe isn't made of swiss cheese, or beta particles, or "consciousness". Nothing but sexual energies! e=mc^2 isn't one of those "glass half empty" cases.


And btw, how is "The Illuminati" used on a "fear mongering" basis here when it's referring to Star Wars and such? We're simply talking about ppl who possess more knowledge/awareness of reality than the average Joe for the fact that they belong to a secret organization.
 
hirobo2 said:
And btw, how is "The Illuminati" used on a "fear mongering" basis here when it's referring to Star Wars and such?
The word itself (in my mind) is associated with my own past and personal experiences - and what it brings to my own personal mind is a 900 foot Jesus -- and the 'fear' it spread in the minds of the youth I was associated with at that time. What happened to be the rage when that event took place? Star Wars was playing in all the theaters.


Is your question about Star Wars -- or --- is it about the 'invisible' group that is trying to spread subliminal messages any way and any how they can?


Who are you talking about when you say "Illuminati?" Or -- is their membership such -- that it is 'top secret' and 'classified' and all we can go on is 'rumors' of their membership.


I don't get it. Who is the Illuminati?


Are you saying George Lucas is a member of the Illuminati?


DKing
 
The words you are using are not always used in the way you use them. Other people have different associations than you do.


DKing seems to be attempting to figure out what you are trying to say. From my perspective, he needs to ask because the way you present your information assumes that everyone will know exactly what you are talking about.


The fact is that we don't understand what you are hoping to learn from this conversation at all. Are you trying to learn something? If so, then it is best not to categorically call anyone who says something you don't automatically agree with "wrong"


Labeling our ideas without attempting to understand us is definitely going to create an atmosphere where most of us won't join the conversation.


Assumptions you've made that I consider unusual:


The universe is made of sexual energy?


- This seems exceptionally Freudian. Do you consider his perspective on the human psyche to be the best or only legitimate view out there? I think that instead of sexual imagery being universally meaningful to all (using the subconscious to deny the thought of those who don't think it's true), that instead those who find sex to be meaningful tend to see it everywhere.


- It is a very poetic way to say that creation occurs in an intersection of the particles of existence, perhaps, but definitely not the only way or term to describe that process. Some call it light. Others love. Others particles, energy, and waves. Others consciousness. The term definitely doesn't need to be "sex" to represent the idea of creation and existence.


The Illuminati control the world?


- Which Illuminati?... aside from Disney, an idea you didn't support very well. I assume you're imagining we have read the same articles and books you are collating together to come to this conclusion, but what you presented here as evidence isn't convincing.


Subtle sex symbols equal illuminati?


- If that's the case, nearly everyone into media, art, and porn is part of that secret group, and it's extremely massive. I'm not sure how they have stayed secret for so long.


- When it comes to the idea of the Illuminati most of what people think of and talk about using that term is a mythology constructed of real events combined with imagination.


- Are there secret societies? yes. Are there conspiracies? yes. Do secret societies conspire? yes. Do some of them last for ages and gain power? yes.


And I'm quite certain that there are several, competing secret groups out there who are combined by the common public imagination into a universal whole. And they all probably use the term Illuminati whenever they need a bit of propaganda to divert everyone, because it's much easier to manipulate people with a story they already buy into.


As far as wanting to have that sort of power, I suppose it could seem fun for a while. But I personally wouldn't enjoy manipulating people in the pursuit of power.


Usually the end result of seeking power is not getting what was wanted in the first place. Behaving in ways that filter for power alone will exclude the stronger connections, love, and respect that can be found in simple, mutually vulnerable relationships.
 
Hi Hirobo2


Welcome to the forum.


This is quite an interesting topic I'm sure, but I have deleted some comments that I thought were not in keeping with the forum guidelines. We try to keep things PG around here. We often have children in the forum and their parents, so sexual references are frowned upon, unless they are essential to a post, which I don't really think yours were.


I also think this topic is more suited to the "Tea and Coffee Palace" which is for all kinds of topics, whether related to reincarnation or not. At this point in this thread I'm not seeing a connection to past life memories. That's fine, but I've moved this one out of the Past Life Memories section.
 
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Bruh I'm curious, what are the X-Wing and the Falcon symbolic of? Like is it the phantom triangles the X-wing's wings make with each other or something?
 
This is one of my all time favourite movie moments, speaking of Star Wars and the 'energies' of the universe. This, to me, is a classic hero moment, when young Skywalker, bored with his humdrum life on the farm, dreams of greater things.
 
hirobo2 said:
Normal ppl see the X-wing and Millennium Falcon as they are, mere spaceships...
Star Wars is a cultural icon b/c ppl subconsciously identify with the symbols they represent, though they may not be consciously aware of it. In other words, your soul already knew what the X-wing and Millennium Falcon really are, and that is why it (your soul) told you and countless other ppl the world over to love Star Wars, though you may not have discovered the reasons why until you read my post...
IMHO a modern myth like Star Wars just stands for the eternal battle between "good" and "evil". Many SW-Fans identify themselves with certain movie characters because they feel they could live in a quite similiar situation in the near future. Many people fear the development of a merciless global totalitarian government, which will be responsible for horrible changes in our world.


And there are so many rumours about the Illuminati in the World Wide Web. They are very often linked with the so called New World Order, which is regarded as the epitome of inhuman cruelty by countless conspiracy theories.


It's really fascinating: How could "illuminated" folks get such a bad reputation? Or is this the true conspiracy: A bad case of slander?
 
Nangijala said:
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It's really fascinating: How could "illuminated" folks get such a bad reputation? Or is this the true conspiracy: A bad case of slander?
Reading books like The Franklin Cover-up, Behold a Pale Horse, or some of Manly P. Hall's books give reasons for the bad reputation.
 
Volkman said:
Bruh I'm curious, what are the X-Wing and the Falcon symbolic of? Like is it the phantom triangles the X-wing's wings make with each other or something?
On second, trust me you don't want to know. You don't want to be watching TFA in Dec and suddenly having a revelation back to this thread. They say that ignorance is bliss. Better to watch Episode VII "unspoiled"...


Btw, I was never really a fan of SW, which is why it doesn't really bother me that much for knowing. But I've found it quite fascinating the kind of subliminal messages that get embedded in modern popular culture...
 
hirobo2 said:
(Btw, the reason why I started this thread is b/c I think I was born into the wrong life. I'm sick of this so-called ordinary lives of ordinary ppl, whom the Illuminati refer to as "the Profane"/unknowing ppl. I'd much rather have lived as an Illuminati who I seem to see as having much more fun than an ordinary person)...
Are you familiar with the word jealous?

  • Jealousy is an emotion, and the word typically refers to the thoughts and feelings of insecurity, fear, concern, and anxiety over an anticipated loss or status of something of great personal value, particularly in reference to a human connection. Jealousy often consists of a combination of emotions such as anger, resentment, inadequacy, helplessness and disgust. Wikipedia


In 1978 - I had a NDE and at that time in my life - I was convinced that there was a conspiracy involved in the JFK assassination. When I went to the other side - I didn't want to find out the truth concerning the legend of Jesus. I wanted to know who shot JFK and why. I found myself in the company of the spirit of the man himself. His spirit told me to call him John because he was retired from office. When I asked his spirit who was responsible - he told me, "Oswald." I thought his spirit might have lost part of his mind from that head shot. To me - as a teenager - it was an obvious fact - there was a conspiracy involved. When I asked him why - his spirit said, "Why don't we go talk to Lee about that. He would know more about it than I would."


So - off we went in the spirit world to track down the spirit of Lee Harvey Oswald and I did a Q and A with him. I asked him why he did it and his answer was simple, direct and to the point.


"Jealously. I was out to destroy that which I didn't have for my own self. Someone who possessed the power I felt I didn't have."


My opinion based on my experiences is -- that the legacy of Oswald lives on in the hearts and minds of all the people who point their finger at the shadows and blames their problems (real or imagined) on invisible phantoms (the Illuminati) they have created in their own minds. Who is the real culprit in this? That 'green-eyed monster' hidden within us all.


Just my opinion.


DKing
 
In my opinion, the orig. star wars series (Hope, Empire and Return) have more to due with Joseph Campbell then any alleged S*** subliminal messages. Campbell's book, "The Hero With A Thousand Faces," was first published in 1949 and has been continuously in print since then. It goes though every aspect of the hero's journey, as seen though mythology all over the world. If reading that book seems to be too much, then the series Campbell did with journalist Bill Moyers, called "The Power of Myth," is equally well done. Moyers got to talk to Cambell shortly before the later passed away. Its a great series, that can be found on multiple media and its about 5 to 6 hours long.
 
hirobo2 said:
And btw, how is "The Illuminati" used on a "fear mongering" basis here when it's referring to Star Wars and such? We're simply talking about ppl who possess more knowledge/awareness of reality than the average Joe for the fact that they belong to a secret organization.
It's interesting how people's level of understanding of a word or phrase starts these silly battles.


The Order of the Illuminati was a real secret society that started up in 1776 in Bavaria, the same year that the USA was founded by Freemasons, where the Illuminati had their founding members already sitting in the top ranks. That's all fact. Adam Weishaupt himself stated:

“The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment, let it never appear, in any place in its own name, but always covered by another name, and another occupation. None is fitter than the three lower degrees of Freemasonry; the public is accustomed to it, expects little from it, and therefore takes little notice of it.”
These secret societies change names routinely in order to divert discovery and avoid interference, so to call someone an 'Illuminati'`has become kind of generalized these days to mean someone who is highly placed in one or more of these very secretive groups that controls world events from a very high and often hidden position.


But I understand the meaning being conveyed here in more general, modern-day terms. We're dealing with mostly dynastic families, people who have held power in the world for many generations, and who even believe in a Luciferian doctrine, as I've found out by researching some of the published material from the more visible groups. The Rockefellers are one such dynastic family, and they have a very deep financial interest in genetics, pretty much controlling and directing the entire field today. They funded Hitler's top 'eugenics' scientists prior to WWII and set up the first genetic research centers in the USA at about the same time. They also set up the first depopulation programs, disguised as health care systems. You can thank them for involuntary sterilization programs for the poor and abortion clinics for loose women.


The question is: do these people see themselves as gods, as gods are depicted in Luciferian terms? To answer this, you have to understand what these Luciferian terms are. That takes personal effort to research, but it will be found within the doctrines of the Freemasons, Rosicrucians, Theosophists, Golden Dawn, etc., that they all connect through their top members, and that the various doctrines overlap and become more and more similar as you get closer to the highest degrees within each, where greater personal godliness seems to be the main pursuit of their activities.


These people at the top ranks of these more powerful secret societies certainly believe in reincarnation, and they have traditionally named their immediate descendents after their immediate (deceased) ancestors in the expectation that the ancestor will be reborn into their lineage again. At least this has been the basis for the tradition.


Members of these families will always be found among occult groups, even funding them. One such group I've researched that existed in the 1950s had a high percentage of rich and influential people involved in it, and this group has been very influential in promoting the New Age movement from behind the scenes. Initial members included former US vice president Henry Wallace (a 33rd degree Mason who put the all-seeing-eye on the US dollar bill), Ruth Forbes Young of the Forbes dynasty, her ultra-wealthy husband, Arthur M. Young (inventor of the Bell helicopter), Sir John Whitmore (of racing car fame), Alice Bouverie (heiress to the Astor dynasty), and Aldous Huxley, a British intelligence agent. There were others in this particular group who kept their identities secret.


BTW, Gene Roddenbury was involved in this particular group as well.


This group was primarily interested in channeling, but there are no indications that they were channeling anyone from the past... they were focused on channeling entities that claimed to be advanced beings from the future, warning us of impending doom (what else?).


My own opinion is that those who might be called Illuminati are those who are positioned at the top levels of certain secret societies that exist today, and they have the distinct advantage of being in possession of certain knowledge that is purposely kept from the rest of us. I don't know if any of this knowledge relates to reincarnation, but it would make sense - based on their more obvious pursuits - that they would be.
 
I kind of got off track with details. The main point I want to make is that these elite groups have as much influence over what beliefs come out of the New Age as they do over anything else. They essentially dictate what beliefs will be adopted, because they also control the media, which is the only way that any beliefs will ever be promoted widely. When you make assumptions about reincarnation or anything else, you should ask yourself where the assumption originates. For instance, where did the idea of spiritual evolution come from? How did it catch on, and why is it being adopted by so many people these days? What possible alternative beliefs are available to us? What makes us prefer one over the other? Is it fear? Pride? Ego?
 
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