hirobo2 said:
And btw, how is "The Illuminati" used on a "fear mongering" basis here when it's referring to Star Wars and such? We're simply talking about ppl who possess more knowledge/awareness of reality than the average Joe for the fact that they belong to a secret organization.
It's interesting how people's level of understanding of a word or phrase starts these silly battles.
The Order of the Illuminati was a real secret society that started up in 1776 in Bavaria, the same year that the USA was founded by Freemasons, where the Illuminati had their founding members already sitting in the top ranks. That's all fact. Adam Weishaupt himself stated:
“The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment, let it never appear, in any place in its own name, but always covered by another name, and another occupation. None is fitter than the three lower degrees of Freemasonry; the public is accustomed to it, expects little from it, and therefore takes little notice of it.”
These secret societies change names routinely in order to divert discovery and avoid interference, so to call someone an 'Illuminati'`has become kind of generalized these days to mean someone who is highly placed in one or more of these very secretive groups that controls world events from a very high and often hidden position.
But I understand the meaning being conveyed here in more general, modern-day terms. We're dealing with mostly dynastic families, people who have held power in the world for many generations, and who even believe in a Luciferian doctrine, as I've found out by researching some of the published material from the more visible groups. The Rockefellers are one such dynastic family, and they have a very deep financial interest in genetics, pretty much controlling and directing the entire field today. They funded Hitler's top 'eugenics' scientists prior to WWII and set up the first genetic research centers in the USA at about the same time. They also set up the first depopulation programs, disguised as health care systems. You can thank them for involuntary sterilization programs for the poor and abortion clinics for loose women.
The question is: do these people see themselves as gods, as gods are depicted in Luciferian terms? To answer this, you have to understand what these Luciferian terms are. That takes personal effort to research, but it will be found within the doctrines of the Freemasons, Rosicrucians, Theosophists, Golden Dawn, etc., that they all connect through their top members, and that the various doctrines overlap and become more and more similar as you get closer to the highest degrees within each, where greater personal godliness seems to be the main pursuit of their activities.
These people at the top ranks of these more powerful secret societies certainly believe in reincarnation, and they have traditionally named their immediate descendents after their immediate (deceased) ancestors in the expectation that the ancestor will be reborn into their lineage again. At least this has been the basis for the tradition.
Members of these families will always be found among occult groups, even funding them. One such group I've researched that existed in the 1950s had a high percentage of rich and influential people involved in it, and this group has been very influential in promoting the New Age movement from behind the scenes. Initial members included former US vice president Henry Wallace (a 33rd degree Mason who put the all-seeing-eye on the US dollar bill), Ruth Forbes Young of the Forbes dynasty, her ultra-wealthy husband, Arthur M. Young (inventor of the Bell helicopter), Sir John Whitmore (of racing car fame), Alice Bouverie (heiress to the Astor dynasty), and Aldous Huxley, a British intelligence agent. There were others in this particular group who kept their identities secret.
BTW, Gene Roddenbury was involved in this particular group as well.
This group was primarily interested in channeling, but there are no indications that they were channeling anyone from the past... they were focused on channeling entities that claimed to be advanced beings from the future, warning us of impending doom (what else?).
My own opinion is that those who might be called Illuminati are those who are positioned at the top levels of certain secret societies that exist today, and they have the distinct advantage of being in possession of certain knowledge that is purposely kept from the rest of us. I don't know if any of this knowledge relates to reincarnation, but it would make sense - based on their more obvious pursuits - that they would be.