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I don't want to reincarnate

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larali

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Not sure if this belongs in "reincarnation questions"....

Anyway, yeah, I don't really want to come back to earth. The future and all the weird stuff that will happen (genetic modification, flying cars etc) freaks me the heck out. People being mean and ugly to each other depresses me. Things will change, and that makes me very sad. And also, who knows what sort of life I'll be reincarnated into.

I want to stay in heaven where things are nice.... Or maybe be a ghost guide for my great grandkids, keeping them out of trouble.... but I don't want to come back as like my daughter's son's wife or some craziness like that.OMG

I think I'm going to retreat back into my Christian mindset that we don't reincarnate but instead turn into spirits that sing hymns all day... not the ideal scenario either, but certainly better than the alternative.
 
larali said:
Not sure if this belongs in "reincarnation questions"....
Anyway, yeah, I don't really want to come back to earth. The future and all the weird stuff that will happen (genetic modification, flying cars etc) freaks me the heck out. People being mean and ugly to each other depresses me. Things will change, and that makes me very sad. And also, who knows what sort of life I'll be reincarnated into.


I want to stay in heaven where things are nice.... Or maybe be a ghost guide for my great grandkids, keeping them out of trouble.... but I don't want to come back as like my daughter's son's wife or some craziness like that.OMG


I think I'm going to retreat back into my Christian mindset that we don't reincarnate but instead turn into spirits that sing hymns all day... not the ideal scenario either, but certainly better than the alternative.
Well, I would like to start off by saying, we don't know if reincarnation is even true, so keep that in mind.


Secondly, when you reincarnate, you won't even know you existed in this life so why does it even matter?!
 
Hi Larali,


Your position re escaping reincarnation is in basic harmony with the positions of Hindus, Buddhists, and reincarnationists in the Western tradition. Hindus and Buddhists also seek to escape from the Wheel of Birth (and death) and to transcend the suffering that it entails. Most of the more mystic and esoteric traditions of the West also include similar goals and viewpoints. E.g., the more mystic strains of Judaism based on the Kabbalah include elements of this general type as did the strains of Christianity that were wiped out by Imperial Christianity and its descendants after Constantine co-opted Christianity for his own purposes.


There is a good deal of variety in terms of approach, as might be expected, and it is my understanding that Kabbalah (like Christianity) also seeks the redemption of the material universe, but I don't want to get too general (others may be able to speak with more expertise in terms of particular religious traditions).


Anyhow, you're certainly not the only one. The general religious approach has seemed to assume that we're more-or-less "stuck" in this position until we have achieved some form of salvation or other religious/ethical goal. There are a lot of folks on this board who seem to think that it is all voluntary. I have heard some say that they are definitely not coming back. Either way, you're not alone--this world is definitely not heaven (or Samadhi/Nirvana for someone of that persuasion). As I get older I often find myself wishing that my "shift" was over, though OTOH I am in no hurry to leave the ones that I love.


God Bless,


S&S


PS--No need to "go back" to Christianity, unless you feel like you've left it. I don't think you've left unless you've left Christ. The earliest and greatest theologians in the post-apostolic period (originating in the Catechetical School of Alexandria) were Universalists and predominantly reincarnationists in their approach to the nature of the human condition and salvation. Unfortunately, much of their work was suppressed/destroyed in the triumph of their enemies supported by Imperial power, though much still remains. In any case, they also sought to return to Heaven--just like you.
 
I have seen this several times before. I asked my spiritual self what it all meant and he told me directly that it meant this the current incarnation is last incarnation for some spirits . You will no longer exist after this incarnation. There is a natural occurrence in the spiritual that some spirits no longer want to continue on.
 
Hi John,


Regarding your statement that we will "no longer exist after this incarnation": I'm not sure what you are saying here.


Are you saying that the higher self/spirit is going to cease to exist or that it is going to stop incarnating?


Cordially,


S&S
 
I'm sorry I did not make it clear. The spirit will no longer reincarnate, so on a physical level it will no longer have a presence, it will no longer exist in the physical. This is it's last incarnation
 
Yeah that's cool... I would be happy to live in the spiritual realm from here on out. I was pretty lucky in this life and I don't know if I'd be so lucky in the next :butbut:


I don't think I'm a super advanced soul, though... I cuss and drink beer. I probably need to come back a couple more times to work out the kinks.
 
John Tat said:
I have seen this several times before. I asked my spiritual self what it all meant and he told me directly that it meant this the current incarnation is last incarnation for some spirits . You will no longer exist after this incarnation. There is a natural occurrence in the spiritual that some spirits no longer want to continue on.
I would not trust 'my spiritual self' as I have read many stories of this 'inner self' starting off like a nice guide and then causing people to perform crimes like murder. Some say these are evil spirits that can convince you they are there to help you.
 
Hi Larali,


What you say is exactly the reason most of us seem to be here: we're trying to become better than we are now. You might want to read Newton's books. I woke up with tears in my eyes one night after I had finished them. They all rang true to me, but I did not like what I read. He has a special form of very deep hypnosis to take someone completely out of their normal physical consciousness so that he can contact and communicate with the higher self of each individual (what John calls the pure spiritual me).


Most of the focus is on the life between lives, why souls/spirits incarnate, what their place of heavenly abode is like (at least for those who are still at this stage of existence), and what the ultimate goals of the process are.


I wept because what they said seemed to indicate that for souls that want to advance, the way forward through incarnation became harder before it became easier. The whole process seems to be like advancing through harder and harder courses in school. You may not have to go after a certain point, but if you want to continue to advance (at least in the normal way) you have to stay with the process. Some of the things more advanced souls put themselves through were pretty daunting.


I'd like to believe there is an easier way. . . . still working on my thoughts on that one!


Cordially,


S&S
 
Hi John,


Thanks for the clarification. I'd like to think that I can get off of the merry-go-round and keep progressing in a heavenly realm without returning here, but I'm not sure it works that way. Like I mentioned to Larali, I'm still working on understanding that one . . . .


Likewise, some of my reaction--which amounts to a form of fatigue in most respects--is probably the result of advancing years and the accumulated disappointments and disillusions of a lifetime. I'm not sure that--after a rest--I may not be ready to give it another try. After all, I seem to have been through PLs far worse than this one and come back again for more. Maybe I'll feel the same after a bit of a "vacation" from this place.


S&S
 
Larali,


I should have added: PS--Nuthin' wrong with a bit of beer and a cuss or two upon the right occasions! It happens in the best of soul groups!


Cordially,


S&S
 
Hi Turbo,


If it makes you feel any better, John has had numerous posts on this issue, particularly in regard to his "source," who seems to be a very ancient companion. However, as time has gone on and John's understanding of what he is being told has become clearer, I think most of us have found our concerns fading.


BTW--nothing has come through over the time I've been posting here that indicates a tendency to mayhem or mass murder. Some of it is pretty far out, but nothing like what you are worrying about.


Cordially,


S&S
 
I won't be coming back again for another life either.


I don't feel the need to change my "belief system" to accommodate that fact. I shall continue with regarding reincarnation as an absolute fact.


Many years ago I decided I personally won't be coming back again. That was at a time when I thought the human race was basically progressing - and I no longer feel that way (ie think we are going backwards by the look of it from what I can see).


Why would I want to come back again to a planet where there is war/greed/bodies with a huge tendency to be pretty darn unhealthy/poverty/etc/etc?


Hence - I won't be coming back and I'm absolutely categoric on that point. Mind is very firmly made-up indeed on that.


I don't think I'm so madly "advanced". I think I'm probably somewhere about "middle grade" as a person. Not a Hitler and not a saint either.


If I decide to have further progress - then I will do it whilst back on The Other Side. It is possible that it may take longer to "progress up the ranks" on the Other Side than it is here. It is possible I may decide not to even bother about "progressing" any further and just decide to accept the current stage I'm at.
 
I have the same thoughts. But on the other hand; I want to. Why?

Reincarnation; the system of faith, which must exist as the opposite of this unfair order in the world.

We call it "YOLO"(!) However, there are lives and experiences; our lifes nothing when we compare with others. We live simultaneously, but the imbalance here is: we are more engaged; they live. Thats not fair.

Reincarnation gives people hope and encouragement at this point. "I'll live a life like that after I dead," we say. Sometimes, "I wonder if I commit suicide, in another life, in Japan for example, would I open my eyes?"
 
At this point I too am done reincarnating, I've literally been around for centuries, seen all that humankind is capable of, been extremely rich, poor, healthy, very disabled (this life).....
I'm tired, not just fysically but spititually mostly, have been for years and all I want is to go "home" whatever and whereever that is

IF, and that's a 0.5% if I do reincarnate and I really hope that I don't it better not be a life full of fighting and suffering for once
 
I am willing to continue just not here for the same reasons and more, longing for home wherever it is and some days are harder than others being an old soul driven mad by the world we all live in today.

How life is in this world.
 
To be honest larali i would love to reincarnate in the future i would love to see what its like and what life would look not to mention i think i had a dream i was being reincarnated into a chinese girl i dont know if there is a thing called future life progression i dont know if its possible is future life progression possible? but i wanted to try for myself if it actually works you should try a future life progression if it works though or if its just because as a soul im already choosing my next incarnation for when i die

The more I find the more I am convinced that the higher self can be like a time machine of sorts from the Earth perspective as time there isn't like how it is here. There is one catch that from our point in time the future isn't set and that things can and do change but there is loads that we can all learn should we consider it.
 
Interesting thread...

I've always asserted that I don't want to come back here, either, and even tried to convince myself that this might be my last time... but I don't believe this is my last time.

I actually have a memory, if you can call it that, of being extremely reluctant to come back at all after my last life. I was done, and really did not want to come back. I'd seen so much suffering and endured so much pain in my last life that coming back here was terrifying. I often feel that sentiment. But here I am regardless. I often question the quietness of this life I have currently, and see that really I'm healing the wounds of the last life. I feel I have to come back after this one to see if I've truly learnt the lessons of my last life, whether I like it or not. This life doesn't test me fully in that regard.

The thing about the future that excites me the most is the possibility of space travel and expansion. Also seeing the development of technology to make life easier, whilst retaining, or rediscovering a connection to the living organism that is our Earth. Maybe less war, more brotherhood of men is needed before that's achieved. We shall see if we manage it. Time will tell.
 
It seems that most people don't want to reincarnate, still they do.

From my regression experiences, when we die it feels like waking up from a dream. The you-after-death aren't the you-who-died, as you-after-waking-up aren't the you-in-your-dream. You have a different personality, different goals, different perspective.
 
To add to the subject, I remember that prior to being reborn in 1991, I absolutely, categorically didn't want to come back. I felt that the peace up there was a lot more enjoyable that the suffering we go through on earth.

However I have to bow down to the wisdom of the one that convinced me, as I think that an existence down there is a fantastic way of learning and growing.

It reminds me of a small phrase that I was once told, when I was hesitating to try something new in my life: "the comfort zone is a fantastic garden where nothing new grows".
 
To add to the subject, I remember that prior to being reborn in 1991, I absolutely, categorically didn't want to come back. I felt that the peace up there was a lot more enjoyable that the suffering we go through on earth.

However I have to bow down to the wisdom of the one that convinced me, as I think that an existence down there is a fantastic way of learning and growing.

It reminds me of a small phrase that I was once told, when I was hesitating to try something new in my life: "the comfort zone is a fantastic garden where nothing new grows".

Impressive you can remember your life before life, any other memories?
 
It seems that most people don't want to reincarnate, still they do.

From my regression experiences, when we die it feels like waking up from a dream. The you-after-death aren't the you-who-died, as you-after-waking-up aren't the you-in-your-dream. You have a different personality, different goals, different perspective.

Thats interesting, as Rich2150x basically says when you die you don't suddenly get any smarter. His done loads of regressions on other people and himself.
 
To be honest, I don't want to reincarnate either, but I know I will reincarnate anyway because my personal motivations are not the same as the motivations of my soul. I remember that once I refused too much to reincarnate because I suffered a lot and I had depression in my past life. My parents didn't love me and I died with much resentment towards society and myself. I believed in reincarnation in my past life, but I didn't want to go through the same sad things. However, I reincarnated and although in this life I have problems with alcohol or strange mood swings, I am slowly improving my behavior and my failures. Now I realize that my soul needed to improve, and I am glad to be here again :)
 
One thing that I take from the reincarnation trap belief system, is if you dont want to reincarnate maybe try what is suggested. Which is to avoid the light and follow your own light, or if you have no light go towards the dark and ask to leave. This way you can remain in higher dimensions compared to the physical realm.
 
Briski, now that you mention that, for a moment I also thought about following my own light and stop reincarnating, or something like that. I've read a lot of books where they explain that reincarnation is a trap and it's really about aliens. It sounds crazy, but I don't know, maybe it makes sense. I don't know what to believe sometimes. But I know that when I die in this life I will look for a way to do things in a personal way, without being manipulated by anyone.
 
Briski, now that you mention that, for a moment I also thought about following my own light and stop reincarnating, or something like that. I've read a lot of books where they explain that reincarnation is a trap and it's really about aliens. It sounds crazy, but I don't know, maybe it makes sense. I don't know what to believe sometimes. But I know that when I die in this life I will look for a way to do things in a personal way, without being manipulated by anyone.

Yeah the Archon soul trap belief really has gathered momentum
 
At this point all I want is choice and to be able have the choice of having a life where I won't get pushed to the edge so much by other people. I am really tired of modern Babylon (USA) as the culture here is horrendously extroverted and toxic. I am ok with coming back just not into another time where it is like how it is now and just want it to be somewhere more suitable where I don't get so dark in thinking and feeling. Certainly and what some have called a vacation life where you reincarnate on other world for a life before returning here again to play out whatever karma and lessons yet to be finished.
 
You know how this things are said to work: your beliefs and emotions generate thought forms that materialize in your reality. You're still young with a lot of potential.
 
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