9/11- I think I have a 9/11 baby

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  1. kristajohns

    kristajohns New Member

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    Something happend last night with my two year old that I can't explain.

    Last night Sept 11th I was watching t.v I stopped the channel on MSNBC. As it Happend 9/11 was on.The first building had just been hit.

    My two year old whom has never seen any coverage on 9/11 ran the the t.v and started pointing a yelling "Hey thats downtown!" "Thats my home!" over and over again then said "I got to call!" I then asked who are you going to call? "I call home.I got to call!" He is really watching and Im not going to turn it at this point and he said "Oh no Im going to fall!" "Oh no fall." This is before the towers went down.Remember he has never watched anything about it. I know this for a fact.I am a stay at home mother and control what he sees and he hasnt spent any time away from home at all.Im always with him.

    He went on about downtown and home until he fell asleep.This morning I asked.Hey Ryan....What happend downtown?He said "Downtown?My home my home!!" I said yeah your home downtown what happend to you baby? He said while closing his eyes "I stuck can't see" "can't see".

    Then on a whim my husband said where is Cantor Fitzgerald? not saying anything he closed his eyes tight again something I have never seen him do.

    A few months back he got into a closet and was locked in it for a few minutes until I could get the door open and somehow it was really stuck. While in the closet he was very matter of fact banging on the door.He spoke words never said or taught. He said "help me please! save me! help help help!"
    Once the door was open he said "you saved me!" Since then he has said everyday "help! I'll save you"

    With last night Im putting it all together and maybe it had something to do with a past-life.He shouldn't have known how to say those things.His grandma showed up while I was working on getting him out of the closet and even said where did he learn to talk like that?

    I think I may have a 9/11 baby.
     
  2. Deborah

    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    Welcome to the forum kristajohns. I would highly recommend that you read Carol Bowman's books; Children's Past Lives - and Return From Heaven. Take your time looking through the forum - specifically The Four Signs of Children's Past Lives.


    Take notes, keep a journal and be open to what he says; record the circumstances in each situation, you will find it helpful in the future. Is he showing any signs of trauma or having night terrors? Thank you for sharing and I hope you keep us posted.
     
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    Hi kristajohns,


    Welcome to the forum, and thanks for sharing your son's experiences, it sounds as if he could well be remembering a past-life. I know the images of 9/11 are shocking for the rest of us to see, but they would probably be meaningless to a 2 year old, did your son appear to be very emotional or distressed while he was watching it?


    It already sounds like you are allowing him talk about it by coming here, which is good. I would also suggest that you start writing everything down that he says, see if you can get him to draw pictures of what he remembers, maybe try and make up a little game that he can relate his memories to.


    If you think he may have been in the 9/11 disaster, perhaps you could try letting him see some internet pictures of New York, and the WTC (before the tragedy), and see if he recognizes or reacts, as long as you don't force anything out of him.


    I would also recommend you read Carol Bowman's book Children's Past Lives.


    I hope you enjoy the forum, and please keep us updated on your son.


    Chris... ;)
     
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    Hello Kristajohns and welcome to the forum. :)


    Thank you for sharing your son's story. It's possible he's remembering a past life. Do like Deborah suggested - read Carol's books and write down everything your son says that you think might have to do with past lives.


    I don't know if it sounds to me like he was a victim of the Twin Towers collapse, although it's possible of course. If he would've been inside the buildings, the pictures we see of their destruction now wouldn't be familiar to him from the past life. But it sounds like he has lived downtown in a big city before, perhaps NYC.


    It's great that you are listening to him and paying attention. :thumbsup:


    All the best for you and your family,


    Karoliina
     
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    I really was thinking 9/11 only because he kept going on and pointing at the buildings and pointing off in a different direction talking but I couldnt understand what he was telling me.


    Then when he said he was going to fall my heart just sank since he didnt really know it was going to fall.So I just thought omg you lived that.


    Something really was weird about it.I am with this child all the time and have never seen him act like that.


    just want to add what he was watching last night was a replay of the today show of that morning.
     
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    Although I think it is best not to jump to conclusions, especially early in a case, I personally find your account quite compelling.


    For example, a person who was trapped on the top floors of the building would want to call loved ones and would realize that it was likely the building would fall. They could also have survived a short time after the actual collapse -- enough to have a memory of it. There are accounts of people trapped in the rubble who were able to make phone calls before they died. Such individuals would not have ever witnessed the destruction from the outside, but would surely know that's what had happened, so it wouldn't surprise me if the subsequent personality recognized the scene. Another possibility is that he was in the second tower and witnessed the first hit, then was trapped and fell after the second hit.


    Beth
     
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    Hi krista,


    I would like to point out that it is possible he was viewing the building collapsing after his death. There are cases where the children remember the scenes after they died; and can dictate verbatim what people were doing and saying at the time. The story of Jesse is such an example.
     
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    I agree with Deborah. That is the first thing that I thought that he witnessed it just after his death. Or its possible that he, as an adult in that situation knew he was going to fall and probably die.


    Kristajohns, I always say this and I say it based on my own experience with my son who is now 7. You know your child better than anyone. You are with him all the time, you know his vocabulary, the way he thinks etc. If he is doing/saying something different than he has ever done or said, there is a reason for it. No one can know for sure what that reason is, but you, as his mommy, will always have the most educated guess.


    It is great that you have sought help and didn't waste any time as I did freaking out.


    I second the advice to write it all down and also to read Children's Past Lives by Carol Bowman.


    Please keep us updated. BTW, how does he react to fire trucks or firemen?


    Vicky
     
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    Everything's possible and I agree you know best when your son is acting in a way not normal to him. :)


    I'm asking these, because I'm not sure: Isn't "downtown" used usually as another word for the city centre in the English language? What about New York City - isn't downtown there used to refer the southern part of Manhattan, and the WTC was upper town/uptown?


    Karoliina
     
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    Maybe his home was downtown? His last thought might have been to worry about his home and family 'downtown' under the belief that the whole of NY was being attacked? In those crazy first hours nobody would have known exactly what was going on, least of all those caught in the buildings. Just a thought.


    A very compelling story Kristajohns. I hope your little son is not too upset by this experience.


    Give him a special hug from all of us.
     
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    Thats what I thought at first wtc was uptown not downtown.


    When he is going on about it he is pointing off to the left."Downtown my home my home!"


    Ok so this is what I have done today. I went to webshots and got several city skyline photos for my background.They change every so often.He only has a reaction to the old nyc skyline.


    He has said a few different things today.While looking at it he was leaning on the desk and said "I drive car" "Im on the a" then "a-r-n " and "its dark I'm so scared" he started to shake and I took the


    picture away.


    I am going to go pick that book up today.


    Someone asked how he acted around firemen.He has never been around them.
     
  12. Deborah

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    Hi Krista,


    I have contacted Jeff Keene and am hoping he can help you discern what your child is saying. He is a present day Assistant Fire Chief in affluent Westport, CT and wrote the book Someone Else's Yesterday - which records his own past life experience. He was on site for the nightmare of September 11, 2001 and the aftermath of the attack on the World Trade Center.
     
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    Hi kristajohns

    Are you able to elaborate on this a bit more? Somebody may be able to help or recognize what your son is trying to say.
     
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    It could be to do with "Tower A"? It could be the 'A Train?'? Does that run from downtown to uptown? I only know its the "quickest way to Harlem". It's hard to say.


    Krista, just a word of caution, try to 'play it cool' with the kid about all this. Try not to overreact. I suggest you treat this as though it were not unlike a present life trauma - imagine it as though he had seen a bad car accident or something and was upset about it.


    You would want him to be able to feel that he could talk about it and be given a sympathetic and compassionate response and a cuddle if he was upset in any way. At the same time, although I know it is terribly exciting and interesting, try not to overwhelm the child with it and keep bringing it up if he was not wanting to talk about it particularly.


    I would advise against setting up a situation where he feels that this is:


    a) an easy way of getting lots of attention,


    b) something that is 'scary' or 'wrong' or 'weird' when he talks about it.


    This can set up patterns of either pushing things like this underground or eliciting all sorts of elaborate tall tales. It that happens you may not be able to help him with his feelings about it all if they are troublesome to him in any way.


    Have you read Carol Bowman's book?


    Have you had a look at this thread: Advise for parents?


    Best wishes with your little boy.
     
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    Hi Krista,


    Deb emailed me to find out my thoughts on your child's reaction to 9/11 clips on T.V. I will give some answers to your questions and what may be clues to Ryan's manner of speech.


    You wrote he said; "Hey thats downtown!" "Thats my home!"


    Yes, The World Trade Center is in lower Manhattan or "downtown". You can't get much more downtown without treading water (NYC Harbor)


    You wrote: "I got to call!" I then asked who are you going to call? "I call home.I got to call!" When people are in a situation of great stress and believe they may even die, their thoughts often turn to loved ones (believe me I know from experience). Take two buildings large enough to have thier own Zip Codes and you can imagine the number of telephones they had (plus add cell-phones). This allowed many to call home that day for one last, I Love You, or a good-bye left on an answering machine. Many, many victims trapped from escape did just that.


    You wrote; "Oh no Im going to fall!" "Oh no fall." This is before the towers went down.Remember he has never watched anything about it. I think you can figure out the answer to this one for yourself. (He used the first-person, "I'm going to fall" not it's going to fall)


    You wrote; "I stuck can't see" "can't see". Many people on or above where the planes hit were "stuck" on the floors above that point. Because of the smoke on some floors the visibility was poor or zero. The "help me" portion of your story also would fit in here.


    You wrote; "I drive car" "Im on the a" then "a-r-n " Not much information to go on here but I came up with one possibility. "I drive" could be that he (or she at the time) could have been a driver for one of the companies at the WTC (such as Cantor Fitzgerald ) That would fit in with the second part, a bunch of letters such as a driver in Manhattan on the phone/radio saying "I'm on the B-Q-E". (Bronx Queens Expressway) or F-D-R (FDR Drive). Could even be a company code (A-R-N) AM. Run North (morning detail heading North).


    These are just some possibilities. The whole story could go something like this. A driver for one of the WCT companies reports to work on 9/11 to pick-up or drop-off someone, the plane hit and thier caught up in the tragedy of that day.


    Hope this helps you in some way.


    Best, Jeff Keene (Asst. F.D. ret.)
     
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    Hi Krista,


    You've gotten very good advice from the group.


    I'd suggest, as others did, that your write everything down so you can remember these statements and reactions chronologically. It's so easy to forget the sequence as time passes.


    Jeff had some excellent observations about what it was like on scene for those in the buildings. Some of what your son says truly fits.


    I would also suggest that you wait and see how he reacts, if he says anything more, or you notice any change in behavior or moodiness. In other cases, once a memory is triggered, the emotions can follow. If you notice he seems abstracted or blue, let us know.


    If he says anything more, TRY not to get too excited, but remain calm and keep the flow of conversation going, as you did, with open-ended questions, repeating his statements back to him, to encourage him. See if he needs to talk about it more.


    Do you live in a city? Would he know the concept of "downtown"? Just curious. I was also intrigued that he knew about falling, and was so concerned about calling home. As Jeff pointed out, that would have been a last act for those trapped in the buildings. Chilling, isn't it?


    I'd say, just wait and see. And, please, read Children's Past Lives ASAP so you be prepared for anything that might follow. You can also post here and we'll do our best to support you.


    Thanks for sharing your story with us.


    Carol
     
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    Thanks Jeff


    He wouldnt know anything about downtown.We live in a larger city but when we go we never call it downtown.I honestly was stunned when he said it.


    I havent said anything to him about it today.I will a little later.


    Also I want to add.When we talk about it.Im not talking or acting any different than I would if we were talking about a school bus driving down the street.


    He also has a little sister that was born 10 months after him and has been calling her Ming for over a year now.She is now called Ming by everyone in the family.Her real name is Anna.


    When she was born on the first time seeing he asked "what took long?" we all heard it.We just never thought much of it now here I sit wondering just what is going on.


    I have been thinking alot about things he has said in the past and Im starting to think Im nuts :tongue:


    Oh my husband is now starting to believe in past lives.A person who thought it was never possible.
     
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    Krista, your son's statements and actions are amazing! I am looking forward to hearing more of his experiences.


    You have definitely received some good advice and when you do read Carol's book you will find some very helpful information that will greatly assist you in sorting through everything that is happening. It will also help you to help your son come to terms with what is happening.


    I wish you much luck in finding out more and helping your son to understand why it is he is here again.


    One last note, has he said exactly WHO Ming is? I find this very interesting. It would seem that he has known his sibling before. :thumbsup:


    Thanks again for sharing your story. I will be checking to see when you write more.
     
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    ok while my husband and I are driving today.Ryan all of a sudden started talking about downtown.


    I asked like always.What happend downtown? He said my name is Nick.Looking in the back I said whats your name he said NICK.Mike my husband said no you are Ryan he said no "My name Nick"


    We dont know anyone named Nick.My husband then said what happend to you downtown?


    He said Im dying.


    At that point we almost all met or next life times becuse he almost ran off the road.


    I am lost I really am.


    Why is everything flooding in to him?


    I need too start reading.


    The only thing I can say is why...I love this baby so much only to think something like that could have happend makes me sooooo sad.
     
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    Krista,


    Terrible things sometimes happen to people. On 911 - many people were affected. Reincarnation happens for everyone, in my opinion.


    He is at the right age to start expressing memories, spontaneously. Your job will be to read Carol's book's; educate yourself about the signs, how to react - keep a journal and love him - regardless. Have you seen the ABC special regarding James? I HIGHLY recommend you watch it. This boy remembered dying as a pilot in WWII - an amazing story and healing.


    Jame's story - the last post takes you to links in order to watch the ABC special on youtube.


    Deep breath - hug him often, and read - read Carol's books.
     
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    Krista - I did a quick search for you; there were five men by the name of Nicholas that died in the World Trade Center attacks. The list was small in print - this was all I could find. I hope you find it helpful.

    • Nicholas A. Bogdan, 34, Browns Mills, N.J.*
    • Nicholas W. Brandemarti, 21, Mantua, N.J.*
    • Nicholas P. Chiofalo, 39, Selden, N.Y.*
    • Nicholas John, 42, New York, N.Y.*


    The last one Nicholas G. Massa, 65, New York, N.Y. -was the senior vice president, of the Aon Corp. You said he stated

     
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    My heart goes out to your little boy. I used to wish that my kids would remember a PL. Now that I know most children's PL memories are related to a traumatic death, I hope they don't.


    With a first name and a clear connection to 9/11, you have quite a lot to go on should you decide to they and identify the previous personality. I found a 9/11 victims list website (with photos of each victim) and there are several Nicholases there. I would definitely seek an expert opinion before showing him pictures of the deceased, as it sounds like he's really flooded with memories right now and I do not know whether or not this would be helpful to his healing process.


    I know that you are inundated with reading material right now, but may I suggest one more book, especially for your husband: Life Before Life by Dr. Jim Tucker. He is a professor at the University of Virginia, and his book presents the evidence for reincarnation in a very rational, scientific manner.


    Best regards,


    Beth
     
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    Hi Krista,


    Thank you for sharing your son’s story with us. I’ve been reading along with interest – and I also decided to do a little googling based on Deborah’s research and your son’s comment:

    It could be absolutely nothing at all – but I thought it was worth mentioning there was a gentleman by the name of Ming-Hao Liu who lost his life in the WTC attacks as well. He was a 41 year old engineer from Livingston, N.J. who worked for Washington Group International.


    Deborah and others have already given you great advice, but I just want to take the time to say I appreciate you sharing your story. I can understand that it feels a bit overwhelming - but everything will be okay. What your little boy is experiencing is perfectly natural. ;) He's a very lucky little boy to have such an understanding mom.


    Definitely read Carol's books - and don't hesitate to ask questions. We're all here to help.


    Best of luck,


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    Hi, Krista,


    what your son is relaying is amazing. He's telling you things he can't possibly know in this life.


    Try not to be sad for what happened to him on 9/11. He's here now, he's talking about it to help himself heal. Try to be glad that he came to you, that he's talking about it and you can love him fully and unconditionally now. He's not going to hurt himself or anyone else and at some point, he will forget most if not all of this, for what it's worth.


    Keep reading, keep listening and know that everything that's happening is for a reason and it's okay.


    Jenn
     
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    HI Krista,


    I also wanted to mention that my son had very emotional memories of his past life mother dying in a car accident. He also missed his past life family and just could not understand how he got here.


    I think it was important for me not to underestimate the child's confusion in regards to where they are now and how they got here. My son was 5 when he really started talking so he was able to understand when I gave him a brief overview of reincarnation. That helped quite a bit. Also, just talking to him, but mostly letting him talk to me when he felt like he needed to.


    I became mroe ready for these times as I realized that they usually happened when we were:


    snuggling just before bed


    in the bath tub


    riding in the car


    Usually when they are relaxed or sleepy.


    You will love him through this and he will most likely forget all or most of what he is talking about now. My son is 7 and he has nearly forgotten. Everyone says read Carol's books not because we are trying to sell her books but because it is the only book that we all know of that talks about Children's Past Lives. It is really a collection of memories of children much like your son and mine.


    It helped me tremendously to see how other moms dealt with this.


    Vicky
     
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    Krista,


    Do you have any updates - is Ryan still talking about this stuff? Have you got Carol's book yet?


    Karoliina :)
     
  27. Deborah

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    Hi baby rn


    What are your thoughts about what Jeff stated. (Post 48 - above tanguerra's). I am curious.
     
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    I found this by searching for the old stations of WTC.. I live in NYC (uptown), and what really freaked me out reading this is that the A-R&M trains ran within proximity of the WTC....


    http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~ramesh/Maps/NewYorkSubwayMap.gif


    I don't know if it would be even worth showing this to your son, but then every New Yorker has at least some idea how to get in & out of the city, and most pride themselves with knowing multiple ways to get around...


    I just hope this isn't some kind of hoax, I found this by accident last night, and the hair on the back of my neck is still on edge.. I mean if they could come back...


    I don't think there is anyone here who doesn’t at least know of someone who was directly impacted... A friend of a friend that made it out, lost everyone she knew at work... It was her life, she would even say that the WTC was her home. She had a PhD in finance, but now is so traumatized I think she may have been committed..


    I don’t know if I even should comment, I really feel this probably isn’t my place as I have no children, and I've only been in the city a couple of years now….


    Oh well it’s a busy day I really should at least pretend I’m working.
     
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    Hello Neka and welcome!


    Don't worry - this is the place for you and anyone who's interested in these stories. :) Amazing, isn't it? :thumbsup:


    I think you offered some invaluable information about the A-R&M trains - thank you! I'm sure Kristajohns will appreciate it, too, and I hope we hear an update from her soon.


    Please stick around to see how the stories unfold, and maybe get to know the rest of the forum in the meanwhile. :)


    Karoliina

     
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    pictures...

    As I read more through the board here, I am simply AMAZED by these stories… It even makes me want to have kids to welcome someone back to the land of the living… I have to say this gives me hope that perhaps humanity is a lot more interconnected than we are taught to believe. Not to mention I keep on seeing this reoccurring thread of ADHD/ADD in these children… Then I think back to my own childhood having been told that I had ‘issues’ concentrating, however as far as I know nothing like any of these stories… I wonder if parents would just ignore them, as the children do seem to grow ‘out’ of their old selves, and it’s less burdening knowing the past?


    Or how I’ve heard once that mankind is reaching a critical mass where more and more of these people are remembering so that people are now just drugging us all so that we will fall asleep and forget…. Lol Icke & his ilk don’t seem that insane now.. But I’m still not ready for this lizard people thing. Ok enough of that tangent!


    I suspect these questions and more are really difficult to grasp, even as a ‘tourist’ myself here.


    At any rate I work in midtown, so I couldn't help it, I had to go downtown if only for an hour.. I took some photos with my phone (I really should have brought a camera....)


    http://picasaweb.google.com/neko.nyc/WTC


    Or as you can see from here:


    http://picasaweb.google.com/neko.nyc/WTC/photo#5124237369587808882


    I'm pretty sure it used to be easy enough to walk between the stations where the circle is with the 'you are here' bit.. I asked a transit cop, and he looked very confused as to why I would be interested in the old stations... I tried to explain it but he looked kind of bewildered, but he did say that they were more interconnected.. I decided to leave it at that...


    I don’t know if baby_rn would like me to either check the directions from the one station to the other, or go ask around about tricks with the wolf emblem… In a way it would be a fun project, something more interesting than the usual work/rinse/repeat of life…


    I always get that eerie feeling in WTC like when I was in Nagasaki, Hiroshima or Tokyo... But then I'm quite conscience of what happened in these places.. I wouldn’t' place too much judgment in my observations; I was nicknamed Magellan in school after all… I’ve made a life of getting lost & finding things.


    Ok, I’ve got to pretend that I care about what I do for a living again…


    Cheers!
     

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