Adam & Eve reincarnation

[Old_Fart]

Since Adam and Eve were the very first two humans in existence, where
did their souls come from?

It’s like the chicken and the egg argument…..which came first?

Also, as their family grew, where did their souls come from; whereas,
at this point-in-time in human history, nobody has died yet to be reincarnated.

Consequently, this pretty much nullifies the current day foundation of reincarnation.
Am I missing something?

 

[Cyrus]

Since Adam and Eve were the very first two humans in existence, where
did their souls come from?

It’s like the chicken and the egg argument…..which came first?

Also, as their family grew, where did their souls come from; whereas,
at this point-in-time in human history, nobody has died yet to be reincarnated.

Consequently, this pretty much nullifies the current day foundation of reincarnation.
Am I missing something?

Hi,

Who told you those personages ever existed at all, to begin with? IMHO

And who suggested you that reincarnation is a kind of recycling, like the recycling of empty coca-cola bottles or paper bags?

With maximum respect and tact, I'd venture to suggest reading Michael Newton.

IMHO.

Best Regards.

 

[Speedwell]

If we accept the literal interpretation of the account of the creation in Genesis, this would not be the only question which needed to be asked. It does though act as a rewording of the old question about the rapidly-increasing world population compared with the count of previously-deceased humans.

What though is the foundation of reincarnation? Only that physical life is a kind of container for a spiritual being. If we can account for the creation of physical life from matter, then there doesn't seem any difficulty positing spiritual beings made from whatever is the corresponding substance.

Unless of course the question is asking whether life is only matter, and nothing more? In that case, God and Genesis and Adam and Eve would disappear from the question too.

 

[There and back again]

Since Adam and Eve were the very first two humans in existence, where
did their souls come from?

It’s like the chicken and the egg argument…..which came first?

Also, as their family grew, where did their souls come from; whereas,
at this point-in-time in human history, nobody has died yet to be reincarnated.

Consequently, this pretty much nullifies the current day foundation of reincarnation.
Am I missing something?

Cringe this kind of mind is incredibly annoying and generally hate interacting with it in society. How hard is it for those like yourself to reason this isn't the only such world in existence and there are countless sources of which souls can come into existence.

 

[Klaud]

The book of Genesis is an allegory for the supposed origin of humanity our predecessors couldn't understand. It wasn't meant to be taken literally because it simply can't be verified.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Old Fart,

I am also a person of "mature" years. The three usual theological positions on this issue are called creationism or infusianism, traducianism, and pre-existence. Creationism posits the unique creation or infusion of a human soul each time a child is conceived. Traducianism accepts the idea that "soul" like body is in some manner derived from the parents. Pre-existence, as usually formulated, accepts the idea that souls were created at some earlier point and had a pre-birth existence prior to entering a human body. Creationism is the most widely held viewpoint.

All of the above can be made to work with reincarnation by merely accepting the idea that not all spirits being incarnated at any particular time are "originals"--i.e., some or most are repeats (i.e., re - incarnated). Personally, I think that creation of new souls/spirits is ongoing, but I have no idea what percentage of souls are what are referred to around here as "new souls" and what percentage are reincarnated. However, it is usually considered that more "mature" souls can generally be discerned by the maturity and love they show in their life and choices, whereas new or immature souls are characterized by the opposite.

I hope this answers your question. However, I would have no problem with further discussion if you would like.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--Your question is not an illogical question to ask.

 

[MaVie]

Since Adam and Eve were the very first two humans in existence, where
did their souls come from?

It’s like the chicken and the egg argument…..which came first?

Also, as their family grew, where did their souls come from; whereas,
at this point-in-time in human history, nobody has died yet to be reincarnated.

Consequently, this pretty much nullifies the current day foundation of reincarnation.
Am I missing something?

I combined ideas of reincarnation to learn, to understand surroundings.
--- Souls are ‘lights’, live in the ‘lights world’, and then souls go to this world live as human.

I learnt also an idea that animals have souls. Animals population decreased and human population increased.

After more than ten years reading, learning, watching many stories, articles, videos, now I understand better, such as videos showed babies/toddlers played as professional rock climber, other videos showed 6 years old girls/boys cooked as professional chef. There were also videos showed animals acted like human, example a dog was smoking, and cats were walking/sleeping like human. You may search also videos showed people strange addiction of pony play using horse equipment.

I keep what I learn for myself, I didn’t discuss with others. I write here because this is a forum. Members of this forum may discover other things.

 

[Misty8723]

Based on my extensive reading/studying the subject of reincarnation over many years, this is my personal belief. All souls were created at once, there are no new souls being created. Old souls are souls who have incarnated to earth many, many times. There are many other worlds where souls can incarnate. Souls are not created when a fetus begins, nor do they enter the womb until just before or during the birth process. Souls do not have to reincarnate, but learning is faster on this world than in the dimension the souls inhabit, or on some of the other worlds. Animals have souls and can reincarnate, but probably not as humans or vice versa. Harming animals is a more serious offense to the Infinite Light than harming a human. The only judgement is how we judge ourselves, and we can't hide from ourselves. It will take many, many incarnations to "get it right." All learning is the purpose of growing closer to the Light. We each choose the situation we want to be in and what we want to learn. If we accomplish the task(s) we've set ourselves, we will find a way to exit this earth and go back home. There is no heaven or hell, but our home is comparable to what we think of as heaven. Earth is comparable to purgatory.

As for Adam and Eve and all things relating to the bible. People need to realize that the bible books were written by humans and have been translated/interpreted many times over. I think all religions/myths have some basis in fact which has been distorted or interpreted in different ways. A lot of it are parables, morality plays, etc. If we take it literally and try to toe the "letter of the law," we're missing out on being able to think and reason for ourselves.

 

[fireflydancing]

Since Adam and Eve were the very first two humans in existence, where
did their souls come from?

It’s like the chicken and the egg argument…..which came first?

Also, as their family grew, where did their souls come from; whereas,
at this point-in-time in human history, nobody has died yet to be reincarnated.

Consequently, this pretty much nullifies the current day foundation of reincarnation.
Am I missing something?

A lot of people racked their brains over this issue. As a young child, this was one of the reasons not to take the Old Testament too literally. At the same time, we had our weekly religion classes in which we were told beautiful stories and we sang songs about them. As I well remember, we also had coloring pages. To me, this is a kind of nostalgia because my parents (both coming from different religions) raised us without a defined religion as a compromise. They taught me not to take those texts too literally. They wanted us to know the essence of religion and not the letters written on paper.
My once devout catholic father had become a realistic thinking person (before it was more mainstream). He told us that the real father of Jesus had been Joseph the widower who took his former maid as a wife to take care of his children and household. Many, many years later I had a boyfriend who studied theology (catholic) and he said that in his very first class in university, the professor wanted to clear up that the old translation of the word 'virgen' was equal to a housemaid in that time. Actually, in my language this was the same in the older days, so not so weird. This all didn't contradict a study to a real understanding and study of religion.
According to my father, there were many more people next to Adam and Eve. Their story was to be taken allegorically (just like Klaud is saying). My father said that he was taught that Kain went to town after he had killed his brother. I looked this up in the old Bible from my great-grandmother (mother's side, so protestant Bible) and I guess they used a different translation because in this text Kain went to the land of Nod. He conceived a son and built a city himself. You could build a settlement with your wife (sister?? they didn't mention he kidnapped a sibling) and son, but to build an entire empty city is weird.
Apart from this, there is archeological evidence of human life long before 6000 years ago. The story of humans goes far back. One of my own self-regressions went back to a life as a baby wrapped in fur in a world full of ice and caves. A very happy memory. I wished I was so happy and content in my normal life today as I was as that baby in the past.
By the way, this baby knew it had come to Earth as a 'child of the Stars'. Fully aware of that and so happy and curious to start a life here.

 

[SeaAndSky]

A lot of people racked their brains over this issue. As a young child, this was one of the reasons not to take the Old Testament too literally. At the same time, we had our weekly religion classes in which we were told beautiful stories and we sang songs about them. As I well remember, we also had coloring pages. To me, this is a kind of nostalgia because my parents (both coming from different religions) raised us without a defined religion as a compromise. They taught me not to take those texts too literally. They wanted us to know the essence of religion and not the letters written on paper.
My once devout catholic father had become a realistic thinking person (before it was more mainstream). He told us that the real father of Jesus had been Joseph the widower who took his former maid as a wife to take care of his children and household. Many, many years later I had a boyfriend who studied theology (catholic) and he said that in his very first class in university, the professor wanted to clear up that the old translation of the word 'virgen' was equal to a housemaid in that time. Actually, in my language this was the same in the older days, so not so weird. This all didn't contradict a study to a real understanding and study of religion.
According to my father, there were many more people next to Adam and Eve. Their story was to be taken allegorically (just like Klaud is saying). My father said that he was taught that Kain went to town after he had killed his brother. I looked this up in the old Bible from my great-grandmother (mother's side, so protestant Bible) and I guess they used a different translation because in this text Kain went to the land of Nod. He conceived a son and built a city himself. You could build a settlement with your wife (sister?? they didn't mention he kidnapped a sibling) and son, but to build an entire empty city is weird.
Apart from this, there is archeological evidence of human life long before 6000 years ago. The story of humans goes far back. One of my own self-regressions went back to a life as a baby wrapped in fur in a world full of ice and caves. A very happy memory. I wished I was so happy and content in my normal life today as I was as that baby in the past.
By the way, this baby knew it had come to Earth as a 'child of the Stars'. Fully aware of that and so happy and curious to start a life here.

Hi Firefly,

The ancient story of Adam and Eve can be scientifically reconciled with the current paradigms of human development in the manner outlined in a prior thread:

Evolution and Adam & Eve Reconciled? Maybe

Adam & Eve and Evolution Reconciled? I thought it was interesting. The basic premise = apparently you can have the usual scientific paradigms regarding a very old earth, evolution (or at least gradualism) and also Genesis 2 with the creation of Adam & Eve. The first does not displace the...

reincarnationforum.com

The science behind this has been carefully worked out and leads to some intriguing conclusions (or at least possibilities). Also, the thread is relatively short, and covers a lot of interesting ground.

Cordially,
S&S

 

[fireflydancing]

I close this thread and give the link from S&S to the other thread about the same topic:

Evolution and Adam & Eve Reconciled? Maybe

Adam & Eve and Evolution Reconciled? I thought it was interesting. The basic premise = apparently you can have the usual scientific paradigms regarding a very old earth, evolution (or at least gradualism) and also Genesis 2 with the creation of Adam & Eve. The first does not displace the...

reincarnationforum.com

(I am afraid that merging the two topics will lead to confusion since there are three years apart between the posts)