Could I be the one to orchestrate the assassination of Franz Ferdinand?

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  1. neoromantika

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    You can call me Sandra, although that's not my real name. I come from an Eastern European (but not Balkan) country. I've always been spiritual, but my recent psychiatric diagnosis made me overthink what I believed to be true, somewhere deep in me. History has always been my passion and I've always been drawn to various periods and locations, although my passions used to be short-lived. Until one day. I was 14 years old and I saw some vintage war footage on youtube.

    For some unknown to me reason I immediately (and correctly) recognised the city as Sarajevo. The first thing I did was calling my friend, a then aspiring historian of the Balkan peninsula. I asked her to "tell me everything she knows". We talked for three hours, but I never told her the real reason. I just said that I felt fascinated, under her influence. For a long period of time I thought that perhaps I did something horrible in my past life. Maybe I was a soldier there, during Bosnian war, and all my psychiatric issues were some form of a punishment for killing people. Except, this idea was deeply flawed.

    I had a dream shortly after that, about me dying young, and then seeing my grave in Sarajevo years later. In that dream, I hid the fact that I was "already dead" from my parents, as I didn't want to upset them.

    I never actually visited Sarajevo (although I hope too, in better times). I visited Belgrade, a couple of years ago, and this was another event that made me question my sanity. A girl I used to be there with (one from my school, from my country) spiritually "opened" me. She showed me that the "weird colour association" thing I've always experienced was just me seeing auras. Apparently I recognised her aura in the same way her experienced psychic friend did. And we talked about how those two days we were spending in Belgrade just felt surreal. I felt like I saw this city before, and I found strange comfort in seeing it rebuilt and prosperous. Even though my navigational skills are poor, I effortlessly navigated through the streets of the historical centre. In only one day, I picked up enough words to communicate basic needs in shops.

    My weirdest historical passion though, and the one thing that seems to put all those experiences together, was Young Bosnia. I always tried to distance myself from history, but this bunch of young, idealistic schoolboys always moved my heart in unspeakable manners. From my earliest attempts at studying world history, those events were the only thing I could remember.

    I can't stand the very thought of everything they've been through. The solitary cells, the chains, their bodies being eaten by disease. For what? After all, how are they different from all those young revolutionaries we praise here, in Eastern Europe? In what else, but the way history remembers them? I feel strange guilt and desire to change the history. I felt relieved upon learning that Vaso Čubrilović and Cvjetko Popović survived prison. Those aren't feelings similar to just normal human compassion, or patriotism (although, as I stated, I am not Serbian, nor Bosnian, nor even from the Balkans). It feels... deeper. More personal.

    Projecting my own issues onto things that could feel impersonal is indeed a thing that I would do as a teenager. But every single time I did it, I was fully aware it's just another phase. Or hyperfixation, as some people would say. This is something that never really left me.

    I've always felt special fondness for Gavrilo Princip. The very man who fired two deadly shots. This 19-year old army reject, always wearing clothes too large for him. The fierce and idealistic one whose fate breaks my heart. I watched a couple of historical films on him and the whole organisation, and for some reason I sometimes felt when the characterisation of either of the men was on spot, or a bit off. How could I even judge this, I thought to myself?

    I've never been through any hypnosis session and honestly I am so stressed that my attempts at meditation and self journey into my soul always fail. I have this never ending feeling of wasting my youth, all my opportunities. I have fears of death, of disease, of suffocation that sometimes keep me up at night. Fear of death is a natural thing, but I used to have those even years before I learnt what it means. My whole youth was marked by my emotional issues no one could find explanation for. One psychologist who never knew me before said that I speak like a person who's been deeply hurt. Except, my life was good and fulfilling in external matters. Only my own mind and soul are messing with me.

    It could be one of my misguided projections. An effect of my health issues. Or, perhaps it's what I thought of some time ago, this very idea that creeped into my mind, but I deemed it ridiculous... I used to be Danilo Ilić.
     
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  3. Eva1942

    Eva1942 A Walking Enigma...

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    Assassinations are not uncommon. My collective soul between the two parts, have been assassinated three times, and all three times have been in the same city and country in Europe. Over history, assassinations were considered one of the most easiest forms to ‘do away’ with someone and the means were varied.

    It’s not the matter of whether we think you had the audacity to ‘organise’ the assassination plot of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, but do YOU yourself think so? Every lifetime is different, and what we consider to be quite unimaginable in one lifetime is something we consider to be ‘normal’ in another.

    A wise friend once told me... “the harder you try to seek the answers, the more elusive they will become...

    Welcome to the forum and all the best,
    Eva x
     
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  4. neoromantika

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    The problem is that even now, I wouldn't consider it unimaginable. I see it as a revolutionary act. I just feel bad about the consequences, mostly personal, as political ones were inevitable one way or another.

    You're right about the answers. I feel like I may be forcing some on me. Perhaps trying hypnosis could help.

    Also, don't get me wrong. I am sorry about your fate. Rarely ever someone deserves to have their life ended so unexpectedly.
     
  5. Eva1942

    Eva1942 A Walking Enigma...

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    The assassination of the Archduke was a serious historical event in the scope of Austria-Hungary. It was ultimately what sent Austria-Hungary to WWI, though don’t quote me on that.

    Of course you would see it as a revolutionary act. A patriot would. I think you need to wait until the answers come to you. Though if going by your original post, the answers you might be seeking could very well be in Belgrade or Sarajevo.

    But I’m just poking about in the sand.. only you have the true answers... ;)

    Eva x
     
  6. neoromantika

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    It was really just a pretext. Austria-Hungary planned going into war with Serbia years before, and annexation of Bosnia in 1908 almost caused it. You can imagine that the political turn after Karadjordjevic dynasty was installed quite enraged the Austrians too. I read about Oskar Potiorek's letters that proved this point of view. He too was meant to be the assassination target.

    But let's not debate about it. That's not the point.
     
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  7. Cyrus

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    IMHO.

    Nevertheless, Gavrilo Princip did a good work.

    Neo, you shouldn't be afraid of a regression, just try, and you'll see everything will get simpler and easier.

    No need to start with a professional hypnotherapist.

    Try video-clips on Youtube, first.

    And begin by descending into your own (of this life) early childhood.

    The hypnosis is only a form of deceiving our subconscious to make it unblock our memories, there is nothing to be afraid of here, believe me.

    It'll be very important for you (like for anybody) to find the right laguage and the right person who speaks in the video. It may take some time.

    For me, these are the best, you'll surely find other as good for you, too.

    Wish you all the best with all my heart. Good luck.



     
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  8. neoromantika

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    I am afraid of self hypnosis for one and one reason only. I am a spiritually gifted person. It runs in my mother's family. I experimented with the unexplainable and spiritual since I can remember. Except, my poor emotional state seems to draw in hostile spirits. At some point, even opening my mind and soul to the spiritual dimension would draw them to me. For self hypnosis, I would have to open up. And I am simply scared.
     
  9. Cyrus

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    Yes, this could be dangerous for you.

    This is a science-fiction film about memory mining, maybe you can find it in a language that best suits you.

    Take care and best regards.

     
  10. Stewardess Ester Ősz

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    Hi, I read through this tread with interest. Thank you for posting, and sharing.

    And I really, really dont acctually want to be interrupting in here. But as very familiar with Hungary myself, and also very familiar with Hungarian mentality, I really dont recognize this "planning to go to war against your neighbour"-kind of thinking, that is described here. I can't see that Hungary as a nation (or lets say a "national mentality" or "emotionality"), would ever seroiusly be thinking of attacing its neighbour people; the serbes - who are a people who Hungarians look upon with a certain ambivalence, but definately do respect.

    So, I dont know this for sure about the Austrian part of the Astro-Hungarian empire, if they ever acctually wanted to provoce a war on the Balkans, or with the serbes. (I acctually doupt that too, because the Hamburgs were not so stupid, as many historians like to portray them nowadays.) But for the Hungarian part, I can asure you that Hungarians would concider it extreamy unwise, stupid and meaningless to provoce any kind of war against the serbs - who Hungarians, after all, have lived in a neighbourship with, and shared borders with, for over a thousend years.

    One got to understand the historical and current geopolitics, and the relationships between the ethnic groups of Europe and their mentalities. And the Balkans, and the rest of Eastern-Europe, also. Its very complicated, thats for sure. And most western historians and journalists who seek to cover Eastern-Europe and the Balkans, often do too cheep judgments. They often do not understand their own subject right. Or they are politically bended themselves. So they, in general, fail in their narratives about the peoples of the East. That is at least my observation and opinion.

    (The West do not understand the East, you see. But this is also true visa versa. And this is just meant as an example.)

    Sorry again for interrupting, but I just had to correct this statement, that I so deeply felt was so wrong.
     
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    Perhaps the West "does not understand the East" (as you put it) since the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the persistence of the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) in preserving as much of the Roman legacy and legitimacy as was possible against the new barbarian kingdoms in the West.

    As for the "peaceful" mentality of the Hungarians, suffice it to recall that in the WW2 there was an unofficial rule in the Red Army never to take hungarians as war prisoners, because of their notorious brutality towards the civilians that surpassed even the worst of the German Nazis.

    The Spaniards and Italians fought in Russia, too, but there never was any problem for the Russians to take them as war prisoners instead of shooting them right away.
    Some of them even stayed on in Russia and married the Russian women - no brutality was ever detected in their behaviour towards the civilians, ever !

    IMHO
     
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  12. Stewardess Ester Ősz

    Stewardess Ester Ősz Senior Member

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    Excuse me? I am not interested in romantic relationships and marriages of italians and spanish in Russia. And what relevance does it have to this topic, at all?

    And what do you want from me, to quote my comment in here? Do you think you can scare me to silence?
     
  13. Eva1942

    Eva1942 A Walking Enigma...

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    No, let’s not debate about all that. What matters the most is how you came to this conclusion. Or more importantly, how does the Archduke make you feel now? What I mean is, if you were to research him to find out information about the assassination (trust me, it’s not always easy to research something you’re closely connected to) how does it make you feel?

    You mentioned that you low emotional state does play a role in your belief about whether you were the perpetrator. What makes you doubt yourself, besides this? Being a sensitive makes us more vulnerable to dark energy, and we just have to learn to protect ourselves better. Call on some ‘gatekeepers’ that will help immensely. :)

    Eva x
     
  14. Cyrus

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    The relevance (I should have called it 'relation') is the degree of brutality, contrary to peacefulness.

    And it all leads us to the same conclusion that neoromantika did, namely the conclusion that what Gavrilo Princip did in Sarajevo was used as a mere pretext to start the WW1.

    Gavrilo Princip was a bosnian Serb, and he knew that a war against his country (Serbia) would be started anyways, so he did the only thing he could to punish one of the main culprits of that coming war.

    I think I know how he felt about it, though, of course, I don't think that I was him that 28 June of 1914, just because he died in 1918, and I, in my PL, was already born in 1915.

    IMHO
     
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    Okay. In the assassination of the Archduke, the Black Hand (once again) betrayed its own people. The whole of Europe also, of course. But first of all, their own.

    The fact, that the serbian people were never slaughtered brutaly down by neither Hungarians nor Austrians (as those were never ever dreaming of doing so), but they were betrayed by their own - causing their own blood bath after blood bath on the balkans, during the rest of the century - well, that hurts I guess. Speaking about brutality and having some morals; the heroes of the Black Hand, traitors to their own.
     
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    Hi, Sandra:

    I think that in your case it's better to avoid any risks.

    So, no regressions, no hypnotherapists, and even dévà-vus must be very dosed and controlled.

    A trip to Sarajevo is absolutely excluded.

    Maybe only some films and books could be admitted. Or maybe not.

    If it were possible to forget all this altogether, it would be the best choice.

    But I don't know whether it is possible.

    Really sorry.

    Wish you all the best.
     
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    Sandra, when it comes to distressing past-life memories which impact us in the present, it may not be possible to simply put it aside, and move on. From my own experience it isn't the events, the 'what happened' which are so important. What matters is the emotional impact. Things which take place, regardless of whether we 'made it happen' or whether something took place and we were caught up in it, either way they can leave emotional imprint and a kind of damage, which needs to heal.

    Healing from our inner damage sometimes just takes time. Yet so many of these things which trouble us took place quite long ago, and it takes something else. For me it was a case of just accepting and feeling the pains which were quite deeply buried in me. There came a point when I realised I could not just put it aside. The alternative - for me at least - was to let those feelings come forward. Just really feel them. It was a strange thing, to open the gates and let the emotions, so long held back, just flow freely. It actually was a great relief. Perhaps we just fear the unknown. Once I'd started to open up - while alone, no-one else was involved, and to experience those feelings, they passed, and I felt more peace and joy than I had for a long time. But that was just the first day. It turned into a bit of a routine, setting myself a time when I could allow things to happen, maybe each day, or every few days, gradually things subsided. It did take a while. Each time things got lighter, it was a letting go of things which I did not need to carry.

    One thing I found - this was what worked for me, I can't say what it might mean for other people. I did not need to know the exact causes, who did what, who was responsible, none of that mattered. The healing of the emotional pains just required acceptance, allowing things to just be.
     
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    Well, folks,

    I'm beginning to get rather fond of this Gavrilo Princip.

    He's got a certain charisma, there's no denying it, he's something more than just a terrorist, like someone from the Brigate Rosse.

    No wonder Sandra got impressed by him.

    I almost wish I were him in one of my PLs.

    I feel certain similitude between us; we even died almost at the same age...

    Stupid, sure.

     
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    Hungarians literally agreed to go to war on certain terms only, as they were initially against it. You're not wrong in that matter. Keep in mind that politics have nothing to do with nations as people really. And there has been really no certainly proven ties to any of the major political organs when it comes to Young Bosnia too.

    Also, I am unwatching this thread as it not only became an off-topic discussion, but I also found out something about myself that might be contradictory to this past life theory. If someone wants to talk with me about that, go on my profile.
     
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    I stated how this whole thing makes me feel before. The very thought of the fact that it could be me makes me feel horrible for the perpetrators. I mean, after all, we were friends, and I feel that bond still. They were definitely not ready enough for something like that, and too young to die so tragically. I can't stand the thought of them being put in prison. Their fate seems worse than hanging, although dying by suffocation is one of my biggest fears. I can't really have strong feelings on the Archduke as if anything, I was just the one who organised and equipped the plot, I didn't see him dying, uttering his last words which could be heartbreaking for some. I just feel sorry for those who could be close to me. Who maybe were close to me, as I feel it. After all, even actual historical sources mention that for example Ilić and Princip were close friends (despite the unconventional by modern standards age gap).
     
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    Yes, this tread partly came off topic, but not only that. I find the member Cyrus' war mongering, his glorification of violence and his tribute to terrorism, both disturbing and distasteful.
     
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    Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia used the phrase "heroes of Vidovdan" since the 1920s.
     
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    Yes, of course we need freedom of thought and speach. And I have been speaking up for more of it particulary in this forum, several times previously, when I have seen posts being censored and deleted in here, for no obvious or logical reason at all. But advocating for war, terrorism and murder on a forum on Internet, is not just "having an opinion". That is far, far beyond expressing an opinion. And I find it scandalous that advocacy for any kind of war, any kind of brutality/violence and any kind of terrorism, is acctually aloud on a forum like this, without any consequences or any censorship.
     

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