People who are on the wrong side of history

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  1. DiscoKitten

    DiscoKitten Senior Member

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    I've always wondered about people on the wrong side of history. Extreme racists. People that lived during the 60's in America who were against civil rights. People who dont believe in LGBTQ+ rights or like to discriminate against the rights of anyone who isnt a CIS white male.

    What kinds of past lives have they had? Do they not have empathy for those that are different from them due to the fact they had lives of privilege? Do any of you remember a life where you were prejudiced. Did you have privileged lives until then? It doesnt need to be as bad as being a slave owner or a Nazi. Just a life where you held very racist/sexist/homophobic views. Was this due to many lives of privilege? What caused you to lose the prejudices you had. Did reincarnating as a person you previously held in contempt change your views? I'm curious about people who are on the wrong side of history and how they get that way. I do not believe its always how you are raised.
     
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    Hi! I think you ask a very interesting question.

    I have myself kind of Nazi background, and due to that as you put it; being on the wrong side of history. But I would not claim myself to have been extremist. I was a German, and I am from the looser side of the wars.

    I will try to shortly explain your issue from my own point of view, not everybody elses, as I cannot speak for others, of course. And other "looser parties" can have totally other stories and explainations than me. Just to have made it clear.

    So, as Germans in WW2, who were the branches that made up our enemies? That was the Anglo-American colonialist capitalist world, and it was the bolchewic Soviet. Both of them. And why did Germany stand against both of these two seemingly different "blocks". Well, I tell you why. And I remember it very clearly, how both communism and Anglo-American capitalism almost literally made us Germans puke: It was because of the extream hipocricy that both of these political blocks held. Each of them in their own way. All of the accusations that these two different regimes came up with against the German people, we saw very clearly that they acctually very strongly held themself. This being: racialism, elitism, the willingness to use violence, the willingness to be brutal towards the weaker, the willingness to suppress the weaker individuals, being hateful to those who are different, being militarist, and so on. Both the Anglo-American world and the Soviet communism held all of these typically unsympatetic features that they accused Germany of inhabiting.

    Still today, I know that this is the truth. One should have thought that evil in this world went down with Germanys downfall in 1945. That the goodness won, and earth became heaven. But no. As you can also see; it did not. Because the evil lives on in the winners of history. Perhaps were the winners of history even more evil than those who they beat? I dont know. I just wonder about it sometimes.
     
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  3. There and back again

    There and back again Senior Member

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    Little compares to the slop of modern politics being like the acid blood from the Alien series. Souls on the "wrong" side still move on to live normal experiences like everyone else as a lot of the view held here usually don't apply there and when back again very little to nothing is held in account outside of direct interactions be it family ect. If anything people here need to learn to forgive what was done in past lives and move on to live the current otherwise it will only just poison people's lives. I got my own theories as to why this has been such a big issue when literally all the other generations handled such issues with more grace and actually resolved such without being as detrimental to society.
     
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    Hi Disco,

    A query or search seeking those who have been on the wrong side of history can have only one answer: everyone. ;) In almost any particular era/culture, the great and overwhelming majority of people accept the beliefs of the day, whatever they are. Racism, class, caste, economic, ethnic and religious prejudice, and etc. are phenomena that exist wherever people exist. So the answer to your question about people who have exhibited these traits in some lifetime or another would include everyone on this board. It is also true that some eras are eras of great social change in particular locales, but even this rate of change can only be called "great" because it exceeds the usual static nature of most social standards and ideas. So, pretty much everyone has been a racist, bigot, snob, etc, etc. at some point in the past, and most people world-wide probably still are. However, the idea that these people are predominately located in North America and Europe and are less prevalent elsewhere is merely a sign of provincialism. People in "The West" are actually the ones who tend to be more conscious of, and self-critical regarding, such phenomena. I.e., we are the ones who, relative to much of the world, make a big-deal about such things and seek in most cases to eliminate them or at least to ameliorate their effects.

    It does, however, appear that the nature of reincarnation includes a shuffling process that sooner or later requires everyone to "walk in the other guys sandals", whether this means being in a less privileged category or a more privileged category. Personally, I think that this factor is intended to help create the changes you are speaking about. Still, judging from the rather glacial rate of change in many areas of this type over the long course of human history, those "in charge" don't seem to be in as much of a hurry as most of the West has been over the last couple of centuries. o_O

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    Eva1942 A Walking Enigma...

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    Well, I’m about to speak from both sides. My soul has been in both sides many times throughout history with the most recent being WWII and the Third Reich.

    I don’t think it’s anything to do with being on the ‘wrong side of history’, I think it’s more to do with how a soul learns. A soul needs to learn all aspects of love and war (especially hate). Sometimes we fulfil these lessons more than once.

    In Ancient Egypt, I was Pharaoh of the Exodus. I was just continuing my father’s reign of ‘terror’ on the Hebrews, because I didn’t know any better, so I exiled them all from Egypt. I still can’t bring myself to watch films like ‘Ten Commandments” or “Prince of Egypt”. I tried watching the latter and I got a quarter of the way through before bawling. The other half of my soul, was in fact a female Hebrew slave who was forced out of Egypt by me and my persecution.

    The second time was when the roles were reversed and I was the persecuted Jew, and my other half was the prosecutor. This happened in WWII/Third Reich Germany. Only this time, we knew each other therefore I had luxuries afforded to me that my other half didn’t have in Ancient Egypt (protection being one of them).

    So how does it feel to have been and still be on the ‘wrong side of history’? I don’t think of it any less than I would had I been on the ‘right side of history’. It means that my soul had lessons to learn, and the circumstances presented themselves to be the best. It is often mentioned that the Third Reich was a place for some souls to burn off/repay some major karmic energy and therefore ‘fast-track’ their soul’s learning.

    For me, I guess that is true, given that in this lifetime I literally am relearning some lessons, but also repaying the karmic actions I did in the Third Reich too.

    Eva x
     
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    Speedwell Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I suppose one needs to ask "Whose version of history?" - there have been many ordinary or indeed advanced and enlightened people caught up in the turmoils of history. I mean in many countries, different parts of the world and different eras. That certainly includes the present day too.

    Personally I don't take any particular notice of history. What matters, what has always mattered is whether we act out of compassion or love for our fellow human beings. This, I would say is very much a matter for the individual, what is happening in the world or society around us is almost always beyond our control. But we can be accountable for ourselves.

    In terms of the broad sweep of history, in my opinion we have to be always vigilant, take nothing for granted in that individual people have the same drives such as greed, jealousy, lust for power, as well as love and compassion, in every era.
     
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    Some cultures granted women a bit more fluidity in what we could or couldn't do than other cultures. If it's the year 100 BCE and I have to choose between being a Roman woman or a Gaulish woman, I'll take Gaul. A woman could be a queen, could fight, could have far more authority over our own lives than our Mediterranean counterparts.

    Yet that culture was wiped away by Roman legions. The point is what you have today could be gone tomorrow. There is no mythic progress but instead a story of changes. A drama of changes and these changes are not always what someone thinks is good.
     
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    Hi Blazealiste,

    Agreed. Also, the "good guys"--based on the criteria of human rights--do not always win. E.g., the Roman Republic (which may have been more problematic than the Gauls it conquered in some areas of human rights) prevails in that contest. However, the Roman Republic (despite its imperfections) did not prevail over the social changes that turned it into the Roman Empire (with even greater imperfections IMO).

    We currently live in an era of great change in the West and in world affairs. In terms of human rights, things have been improving on both fronts over the last few centuries. However, I see no guaranty that this trend will continue. In fact, if things continue along their current course, it appears that losses in terms of human rights both in the West and in the rest of the World are at hand. However, history is also full of surprises, so I'm not giving up hope. ;)

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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  9. There and back again

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    This is one of those things I wish the younger souls would understand about this world instead trying to punish select demographics for past failings while undermining the whole of society. Something is up on a number of issues when they can't handle either or both genders let alone the other facets of human life in general while trying to replace it all with machines and desiring to become machines themselves. At least the past was kept in check by being on both sides of the isle what worries me is where society is going and deep down can feel that things have changed drastically on the spiritual side demographically where before there was always a somewhat familiar vibe about people that is there no more. Safe to say the noise of modern politics is really to gas light us who have been here into submitting to something that will ultimately cause a great deal of harm.
     
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    Hi TABA,

    Your post is interesting to me for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that you seem to also perceive the vast difference in people reincarnating into the West over the last 20-40 years. I agree. This may be just the usual "shuffling" going on, with people from the West ending up elsewhere and people from elsewhere ending up here. However, if so, it seems sometimes that those from elsewhere being reborn here include a whole lot who are not only unfamiliar with the types of human rights and freedoms that have become normative in the West (which I suppose is to be expected), but actually hate the way the West has been developing in terms of such rights and freedoms over the last few centuries.

    Of course, both of these characteristics may also be due to culture/education over the last few decades, or a combination of the two posited possibilities. It is difficult to separate cause and effect in matters of this type. However, a lot of those born in the West over the past 40-50 years do seem to be . . . different, and not in a good way. It makes me wonder whether we have been flooded with reincarnates from Stalinist Russia, Maoist China, Nazi Germany, and a variety of other oppressive totalitarian regimes and/or religions. :eek: Sigh! I guess this is just part of the "process" and is to be expected. :cool: In any case, no civilization appears to last forever. Maybe this is one of the reasons. o_O

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    @SeaAndSky

    I believe there is more to it than that, more like our population has increased allowing for souls to come in from elsewhere rather than just a different region or nations ect. When there is significant population growth in one world while another is experiencing decline or has collapsed altogether the souls that wish or have the need to continue with incarnating they have to go somewhere and unfortunately they came here. Notice how there has been some rather odd changes over the last few hundred years that haven't been necessarily positive while occurring so in waves then quiets down after for a couple of generations after some normalization has taken place coupled with the prior population having learned to cope with such changes.
     
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    Hi TABA,

    This is an interesting idea and I'd like to hear more. However, after getting kicked in the teeth a few months ago without respect, courtesy or even (apparently) any comprehension of what I was talking about by the perp, I would not advise continuing on this thread if you have any interest in speaking openly. Please send me a PM.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    I don't see where the option is to send personal messages :(
     
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    What an interesting question.

    I think what happens after we leave our physical bodies is that we review the lifetime we just experienced. Positive and negative things are reflected upon. If we need to return to put things right then we are given the opportunity to do that by being reincarnated. When we are reborn, we basically are blank slates with our own free will. The "between lives" memories are still there, just not consciously accessible. They may surface in the form of a gut feeling that something isn't right about hating a particular person based on color, gender, etc. Then, we have a choice of listening to that gut feeling or falling into the hatred trap again. Some people listen to the gut feeling while others ignore it.

    I'm not sure privilege has as much to do with anything as free will does. The Edgar Cayce books cover this topic in detail.
     
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    Dear DiscoKitten,

    By the way love your profile name. And I did live in the disco era! Actually souls that don't seem all that grown up in soul consciousness is because well for lack of a better word is they are at a younger soul stage of development still. A good example is myself. In a past life during the middle ages I was apart of the royal court in England and it was my job to seek out those that where homosexual in the community and out them. By doing so many where either shamed in the community or put to death by going against the church. It that lifetime I felt I was doing gods work by getting rid of sinners, therefore I felt smug and above those that went against the church.

    What I did not realize in that lifetime was that my actions where severing and cutting off the flow of unconditional divine love that is in all things in the cosmos. I was at a younger stage of spiritual development back then and did not understand my actions would effect me later in future lifetimes. You see in my opinion anyway what creates karma for ones self is ones intent behind the action involved be it physical, mental, or emotional in nature. If you hurt someone by accident as it was not your inner intent to do so then no karma will be created. It's our inner motivation behind the action that creates the karma be it negative or positive.

    So in order to balance out the karmic debit I had incurred in that lifetime, I chose on a soul level to become the very thing I hate the most in order to understand the nature of unconditional divine love. So in this lifetime I'm gay. As the old saying goes ((Do not judge your neighbor until you walk a mile in his moccasins)). Only then would I understand on a soul level that all life is inner connected to spirit. This is how karma plays itself out. It's not a punishment's from the universe but rather a tool for the soul to know itself by its own experience. Sometimes thru the eyes of another. Only then do we learn, grow, and evolve as a spiritual being.

    So just remember that we are all at different stages of spiritual development on our journey back home. Those that seems to us unfair, lacking empathy or a higher level of awareness are just going thru younger stages of soul development which deal with the lower ego (that at one time we were once at in PL gone by.) In time be it this lifetime or in future ones the universal laws of karma always comes full circle. Some of the lessons are hard, harsh, painful and enduring to go thru. But from a soul level they are necessary in order for soul to grow and unfold as it matures as a spiritual being.

    Love and peace always.

    P.
     
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