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Hi S&S, I suspect that in your case you were in one way or another, part of the Cathars at that time, in order to account for your deep attachment to that group.

As for longings, I had something of my own, a deep longing to rediscover some lost and forgotten or buried knowledge. But for me the search was in the land, I would visit ancient sites across Britain and Ireland, as well as much further afield. Often all I could do was ponder and contemplate what had been in our far past - some of those sites are typically dating from about 4,000 years ago. I also have a different kind of attachment for Ice-Age life in general and also in cave art. All of these things have me reflecting, and especially those 4,000-year old sites.

Of course I've done lots of reading, but much of it is simply speculation with no real solidity to it. I carried on this hunt for some hidden knowledge for many years. And then, without my really noticing when it happened, there was a shift. I started to realise that everything I needed was right here, right now. Partly, learning to trust myself and my own instincts, particularly through prayer as well as my own dreams. But also I think in my case it was researching the prodigious quantities of near-death experiences which are reported in the present era. This is one thing which has reassured me that miracles and revelations are not something confined to the distant past, but are to be found today. Though the label NDE includes the word 'death', it is very much about life. People on such journeys often bring back insights not so much into the so-called afterlife, but insights about this present life here.

At any rate, one way or another, my longings have come to some sort of an end, I suppose I found what I was looking for. For me, it is something very simple, there is no need for words. S&S, I sincerely wish you well and hope you find what you are looking for, in your own terms.
 
Hi Speedwell,

"As for longings, I had something of my own, a deep longing to rediscover some lost and forgotten or buried knowledge. . . ."

Ditto.

"But for me the search was in the land, I would visit ancient sites across Britain and Ireland, as well as much further afield. . . ."

Not so much by visiting for me, as there are not as many sites of this type near where I live, but certainly by books and now the internet. However, though ancient sites have always intrigued me, my real search has generally been via the accumulated wisdom/religious/occult literature of various cultures. This was originally oriented towards Eastern sources, and later towards Western and especially Judeo-Christian sources. However, to some extent I have certainly "played favorites" even here.

"Of course I've done lots of reading, but much of it is simply speculation with no real solidity to it. I carried on this hunt for some hidden knowledge for many years. And then, without my really noticing when it happened, there was a shift. I started to realise that everything I needed was right here, right now. Partly, learning to trust myself and my own instincts, particularly through prayer as well as my own dreams."

Ditto, but I haven't been able to close the gap in terms of what modern research shows, nor have I been able to close the gap between who/what I am and who/what I would like to be. In terms of NDE's, I consider this type of research and reincarnation research to be complimentary. With NDEs, the survivor testifies to what it is like after death. It is research that looks forward to the "in-between". Those who remember PLs often are able to not only remember such lifetimes, but also to "look back" to before their birth to remember even more of the "in-between". However, for all of that, there is still a lot of ambiguity and blurriness about what is going on and where it leads.

In addition, though the foregoing is all useful and good to know, it does not really focus on personal transformation. This is where Kaye's regression memories and her PMs regarding the dream lessons she received made me wish to go much deeper along the path that was being outlined by her own teachers. There was something there that I was longing to explore and experience. Then it was suddenly cut off. So, here I am. I am drawn not as much by Catharism in its exoteric aspects as by its esoteric and mystical teachings and path, which may have been known only to a few (even among the consoled). Whether this "drawing" is also bolstered by my own past experience and/or recollections of a path I began but did not finish I cannot say, but I do wonder.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Well, another month has gone by, so it is time for me to "kick" this thread up again in hopes that someone with a Cathar background or interest will stop by. Maybe that will include some seemingly lost to Covid. As the famous date of August 21, 2021, is coming up, I will probably switch to once a week for awhile just in case something "interesting" happens or someone "interesting" notices and drops by.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Agreed, if the prophecy was a true prophecy. However, even if the prophecy comes true, it may begin with something small and grow from there. So, like the "mighty oak" beginning from the little acorn, it may just be the planting of something that will grow with time to be unmistakable.
 
Well, Saturday was the 21st, and I can't tell that anything happened. Has anyone noticed anything relevant that can be reported?
 
Hi Cyrus,

Apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I was trying to wrap up work the first half of last week so that I could go out of town at the end of the week. Now I'm back and trying to catch up with things.

I wish I had something to report regarding the Cathars for this thread, but if anything happened on the 21st, it has not yet made it into the news (or otherwise come to my attention). I'm going to keep looking, but not hoping for much at this point.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Once a year (at least) I try to kick this thread up in the hopes that we have had someone with Cathar memories join the board and/or that something new has developed on that front. However, so far nothing. Honestly, I had forgotten about the approach of August 21st, but over the last few days have been seized by that same strange longing and wistfulness I associate with Catharism. It was only today that I remembered that it was once again August.
 
Well, it is almost August again, and I am here again. As usual, I seem to slip towards this type of thing as the anniversary of Belibaste's death and prophecy draws near. I found accessible copies of a couple of Arthur Guirdham's books online recently, and have just finished reading them through.

The first Guirdham book linked below [1] tells the long and tedious tale of his interactions with his first "Cathar" patient--referred to as "Mrs. Smith". I found it to be quite a grind, though I understand the reasons: He was a respected psychiatrist supporting reincarnation before it had much support at all, and I am sure he felt like he needed to document every step leading to his conclusion. In any case, he goes through chronologically, citing various dated interchanges and letters received from her. (I suppose he wanted to recount a lot of what was said by his patient verbatim, but the story unwinds at an achingly slow pace).

The second book (link [2]) is something of a summary of the prior book linked and two that followed involving the group of Cathars that reincarnated together at that time. It begins with a general history of Catharism and its suppression as Part One. This is followed by a discussion of certain topics (generally occult in nature) that came up over time that Guirdham wished to address. I liked and encourage reading of the first part and consider it to be as good a summary of the Cathars and their extermination as you are likely to get. The second part gets a bit too abstruse on some topics and a bit too "New Age" on others for my taste. However, I think some here will find it extremely interesting.

[1] https://archive.org/details/catharsreincarna0000guir/mode/2up

[2] https://archive.org/details/great-heresy-arthur-guirdham/mode/2up

My suggestion would be to read the first part of [2] to get necessary background. Then, if you're still interested enough to proceed further, you could do the long slog through [1], or move forward through the second part of [2].

Cordially,
S&S

PS--And as always, if there are any folks with Cathar PLs out there, please feel free to "sound off"! ;)
 
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Hey sup light fam!
PL cathar here glad to hear there's others out there.
During the "ovid" lockdowns I was driving home crossing France through the south and was struck with how beautiful the landscape was feeling that I was back home, even tho I had never been there. Wept like a kid from joy. Then I had to stop the car because I was getting visions and relived a battle and dying there. It was snowy and it looked like a hill. Kinda looked like the one below Queribus but could have been somewhere else.
Anyways I see you guys are interested in resurrecting the teachings of back then for me it is enough to try be free from the NWO control freak psychopaths of today.
Enjoy summer!
 
Hi Surfin,

Welcome to the board. I will certainly look forward to reading about any memories you retain from the Cathar era. You may want to try to do a regression to see if you can recover anything more specific. Many on the board use regression videos from Youtube for this purpose, and have their own favorites. I don't find this has worked for me much in the past, but it certainly works for many.

Cordially,
S&S
 
I have another link, this one is to the third book in the story of the group reincarnation of Cathars in England in the mid-20th Century. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find the second book online, but this one is fascinating and represents a much easier and more engaging read than the first in the series (IMO). It is a truly extraordinary book, tracing the links and lives between approximately a half dozen central characters and another approximately half dozen peripheral characters through five past lifetimes, shared in 4th Century Rome, the 7th Century Celtic Church, the 13th Century Cathar Movement, the late 18th and early 19th Century Napoleonic Era in France, and the present era in and around England.

In reading Guirdham's books I have felt that I finally found an online source for "relatively" trustworthy information on Catharism. This is not a feeling I had after reading many scholarly papers and a scholarly book or two--all being primarily based on Inquisition records and the like. A recommendation of this type is also not something I would usually do, based on some of Guirdham's sources of information vs. the orthodox sources used by scholars. But, what and who one trusts is not always based on their scholarly credentials or sources. Guirdham's credentials are respectable both as a trained doctor and psychiatrist as well as an author, and he has done a lot of research in the region and spoken to notable French scholars of his era, but mostly I trust him because . . . . Here I have to pause. I suppose I have to say that some things just have the "ring of truth" to them.

That does not mean that everything he has written is accurate or correct or even "likable", but only that I found very little of that "ring" in the scholarly materials I read. His writings have, however, made me a bit uncomfortable in one respect: Guirdham utterly blasts Christianity and the God of the Old Testament from time-to-time. It was apparent to me that this was a stronger current in him than in the other Cathars described, living and disembodied, that he associated with after his first book. But it still made me more than a little bit uncomfortable. He is also a very up-front exponent of absolute dualism, and gives no credit to anything else. I am and probably was a mitigated dualist at the time (like most Christians and many other Cathars in the Languedoc prior to the coming of the Bogomil "Pope" and also like many Cathars in Italy and elsewhere). So, his attitude is definitely off-putting, but certainly not enough to discount his testimony on everything else. Try it, it is a very good read IMO, even though lengthy:


PS--This is an hourly check-out at the site. This only means that you have to click the "borrow one hour" button after an hour to keep reading. It was no problem for me. And, you can leave off anywhere you are, come back and click to restart where you were at any time (as long as you leave the tab open).
PPS--IMO you can jump into this one without any prerequisite and enjoy it, though you might want to go back to pick up more info later from the others, especially [2] above.
 
Welcome to the forum, @surfinkaliyuga !
How did you know your memories were about life among the Cathar?
Thanks for the welcome!
I just know I must have been a local, also remember fighting a guy with a red tabard and helmet just like in this pic. I guess I could've been on the other side but I've always been very aware of the duplicity of the Vatican.
They've always ****** over specially other Christians not under their control. In Ireland with Pope Adrian IV. Sack of Constantinople. Or the NATO bombing of Serbia. They never practice what they preach. Vows of poverty? Vatican Bank. Claim the devil was a snake? Have a snake head church.

Yo S&S,
sadly I don't have any other memories yet, the regression has always been on the back burner for me till I find some time and a trustworthy person.
But if I ever get something done I'll come back and tell you.
On this thing you write btw: "Guirdham utterly blasts Christianity and the God of the Old Testament" I can't blame him, if he has done regressions or remembers what lives and way of life was lost back then, I remember feeling extreme anger and a will to kill. Maybe he confuses Catholicism with Christianity or knows something we don't? Regardless we all need to do some sort of forgiving and let go of grudges and vibe more on love yet at the same time not be retards again and think the world is butterflies.
As for the God of the Old Testament im pretty sure he is Satan or maybe just a shitty channeled spirit. He's not the unconditional love type of guy.
 

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Hi Surfin',

"sadly I don't have any other memories yet, the regression has always been on the back burner for me till I find some time and a trustworthy person.
But if I ever get something done I'll come back and tell you."


Try a few of the ones online on Youtube. Some have a lot of success with that type of thing. I had some early success, and then very little, though I recently had what I consider to be modest success using a Youtube regression. So, for some it works well, for me not so much so (or only very occasionally). BTW--Some also use meditation of various kinds, but no success for me there.

On this thing you write btw: "Guirdham utterly blasts Christianity and the God of the Old Testament" I can't blame him, if he has done regressions or remembers what lives and way of life was lost back then, I remember feeling extreme anger and a will to kill. Maybe he confuses Catholicism with Christianity or knows something we don't?

He does seem to conflate the Roman church with Christianity generally, but he also (I believe) is very negative about most Protestant varieties. So, very much a follower of Christ, but not a fan of any of the current churches. Nonetheless, he has very positive memories of the early Celtic Church during the period when Rome was gradually asserting control and supplanting the older Christian order that was already in place in what is now the UK. So, I cannot say that he is totally anti-Christian, though he is vehemently "anti" what doesn't meet his criteria. This makes me uncomfortable, as I consider that in the current hostile era, Christians need to put aside their differences as much as they can.

Regardless we all need to do some sort of forgiving and let go of grudges and vibe more on love yet at the same time not be retards again and think the world is butterflies.

Agreed.

As for the God of the Old Testament . . . .

I definitely can't agree with you on this one.

Cordially,
S&S
 
In reading Guirdham's books I have felt that I finally found an online source for "relatively" trustworthy information on Catharism. This is not a feeling I had after reading many scholarly papers and a scholarly book or two--all being primarily based on Inquisition records and the like. A recommendation of this type is also not something I would usually do, based on some of Guirdham's sources of information vs. the orthodox sources used by scholars. But, what and who one trusts is not always based on their scholarly credentials or sources. Guirdham's credentials are respectable both as a trained doctor and psychiatrist as well as an author, and he has done a lot of research in the region and spoken to notable French scholars of his era, but mostly I trust him because . . . . Here I have to pause. I suppose I have to say that some things just have the "ring of truth" to them.

When I first read a substantial number of books by Arthur Guirdham, in the late 1970s / very early 1980s I had a similar reaction of feeling there was something trustworthy about his writing. Oddly it was something fairly non-controversial which led me to that feeling, he wrote about walking in the English Lake District and of experiences among the landscape that somehow captivated me. Though I live in a town it has always been the countryside which feels meaningful and somehow his writings resonated with me, almost as though he was a 'kindred spirit' though I was very young and he was in the later years of his life.

I found myself submerged in anything I could find written by him. Some of it is admittedly detailed and a slow read, but other parts were simply absorbing for me. One of his books with less meticulous detail and more free-flowing in style is a novel called "The Island" which he claimed was based upon his own far-memory and described among other things the ancient Mysteries of Eleusis and a dramatic volcanic destruction of a Mediterranean island where the events took place.

Sadly as you have found only a few of his books are easily available nowadays.
 
Another year, and another Guirdham book found online. The missing "second" book I mentioned above--"We Are One Another":


So, I'm wending my way through it, and finding more new things as well as some of the usual disappointments. I cannot say I am disappointed in terms of his continuing exploration and explanation of Catharism, but Guirdham's discussions of Christianity (in comparison with Catharism) display an incredible lack of knowledge. It makes me wonder how he could have grown up in England during the first part of the 20th Century (D.O.B. 1905) and have been so abysmally ignorant.

Still, I am not reading him for Christian knowledge, but for information on Catharism and Cathars. In this, he still has my interest, and his mix of intense scholarship and occult explorations via "another" re-born Cathar and various Cathar "Revenants" still holds my attention. But where can this lead? I am not sure, but still somewhat compelled. Perhaps I will have some concrete memories at some point to justify my obsession, but also maybe not. In the meantime, another anniversary of Belibaste's death will be here soon, and still waiting for a concrete sign that his prophecy was, in fact, a prophecy and not merely the empty pronouncement of a condemned man. As in many things, only time will tell.
 
S&S, I find what you wrote beautiful. When a cathar lifetime reclaims you once more, it is a compulsion that cannot be hushed until you step back into that. Cathars are alive at this time because its necessary. Allow yourself to step back into that light. We live in times of excess, when you really go deep into yourself you find you need very little. Its not about limiting yourself, its becoming free of want. There is something intensely beautiful about that.
I know what you are talking about. I am not cathar or remember anything from the past but..... That light, that holy of holies, i have felt it in this life time. And it draws you like a magnet from deep within, no baggage can be taken, everything will gladly be surrendered. Body, attachements, desires, wants, because they distract and they are painful once you feel this incredible LOVE/Stillness and bliss of the Light. It is like there is no time, there is just 'ISness', Nowness.

It is more intimate than anything of this world, this world is clearly seen as an illusion. As this Stillness draws you to it, through its profound magnetism, it is like layers of shells, identities, are let gone. The person, the story, the attachments, worries, everything is voluntarily surrendered in it's embrace, that it is like the SUN that melts the ICE, the person into a NOTHING but itself.

Also i noticed, that when you are aware of it, there is loss of interest in what distract us from it, sort of a detachment, voluntary and giving oneself to it, like the moth to a LIGHT, in this case, to the LOVE, because there is no other fulfillment like this. I have also began to speak less of it, because it is hard to express it, and only certain conducive pure situations draw it forth, like it wants to speak through you. I sensed that in your story, in your comment, I felt the truth. This light humbles you, there is no other fulfillment that this world and all it's relationship can offer, is anything like it. It is a constant preparedness to Die, to let go and to BE what you already ARE before you believe yourself as a form. It is pure grace to give yourself to this Stillness. <3

When all else is taken away what remains?........It is THIS. This that absorbs you into itself. The true worship is offering of oneself to it. it's like a depth that is where you exist, and this world is at the surface fluctuating and unreal, while what you truly ARE exists in this depth. It knows no death,
 
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Hi, everybody. A poster on another forum recommended this site - so here I am a registered member!

I have read through quite a lot of your postings and found them very interesting. I have a very vivid recollection of one (only one) PL and it has totally affected this incarnation. So much so that I doubt if there have been other incarnations in the interim - although I could be very wrong. My recollections came as an assortment of fears, interests and powerful flashbacks (very different from memories!) over many years. I have done what research I could and have discussed my situation with a very wise person who explained some of the happenings.

Basically, I believe I was interested in Catharism and lived near Beziers in Southern France (This actual location may be a red herring - it is just that I was born in Sale which is twinned with Beziers. Where I lived was definitely Southern France as I managed to locate the layout of the villages there. I was in my early twenties and had four children, when I was betrayed by my husband for my beliefs, particularly reincarnation. I was thrown down a grain storage hole and left to die amidst other rotting corpses.

Now I have a very spiritual life, have come to terms with what happened and have learnt so much from the experience.

If any of your members can recall being involved with the Cathars, I would love more info. I am sure we are being reborn together around this time. This also seems to be happening with Theosophists. BTW I think this site is great :)
Valerian,

Welcome to the forum. You will find a lot of people here to be warm, supportive, insightful and understanding in your views of the process of reincarnation. As we are all in a process in learning about ourselves as soul on our journey back home. Sorry to hear about your last life. What an awful way to die. That body is gone and has returned to the earth but as soul you are untouched. We do carry those experiences with us into the next life. My last lifetime, I was one of the many killed in the German concentration camp at Auschwitz Birkenau. We were all stripped naked and place in a shower area. When the lights turned off instead of water coming out, we were all gassed to death. I still can't watch movies about what happened in those camps. When I had a PL regression done the therapist had a hard time getting me to get passed the moment I died as all there was, were blackness, screaming, scratching and people's lungs being burned from the inside out from the gas. I was 13 or 14 yrs old in that life so I didn't live long. I have asthma in this lifetime due to the karmic carryover from that life since it was my last one. But we are more than just a physical body as we are eternal as soul.

Thanks for sharing something that personal with us and again welcome to the forum.

Peace and love always.

Polaris
 
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