Reincarnation when no children

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  1. RealJeanie

    RealJeanie New Member

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    Hi all
    My OH believes that he won’t be able to reincarnate because he doesn’t have (and we cant have) children. This is a very upsetting overpowering mindset for him because to him he wont live again after his death. Is this true?
    (I was brought up in the Christian faith so my beliefs are completely different.)
     
  2. Oak

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    You may feel more responsibility to reincarnate (or not) if you have kids.

    Other than that i've been people I have no obvious relation too, only the cycle of events i've lived mirrors between lifetimes. Perhaps to get another look at it or see how I handle it this time.

    A stronger obligation or draw, as kids are a big part of life. At the same time so few people actually consider the weight of the future on the now, and how much more important it is than the present moment. Everything is magnified from now, so what seems small now can grow exponentially. If you can see kids like that, a family tree expanding outward, you might understand why that weight of obligation exists and also how you are only one small part on that family tree. Tell him to take heart, if he doesn't personally have kids, there are probably 500 branches of that family tree somewhere nearby to relate to and look after if that is his wish.

    The only point I can speak to, is you can view the world through your relations, but as i've said those relations can be very widespread. If he is spiritual in this way, tell him to ask, pray or meditate to his ancestors for guidance, he might find he has a much bigger family than first expected. :D.
     
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    Thank you Oak. Im hoping your reply will really help him :)
     
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    helz_belz Super Moderators Staff Member Super Moderator

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    If it is any consolation, I have remembered many lives where I was childless, and I am still coming back to the physical, continuing with the cycle of reincarnation. I actually only remember one life where I had a child. The presence/absence of children doesn't seem to have affected whether or not I reincarnate, I just keep coming back.
     
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    Thank you, yes that might give him some consolation. He doesnt know why he believes what he believes so Im hoping this will really help :)
     
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    There and back again Senior Member

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    Lol that mindset, reincarnation continues regardless so long there are available bodies and one can go a long ways with this even if there was an extinction event down the road the souls would go to whatever was available even if it meant another world or realm ect so no one isn't required to have kids. Plus not everyone gets such opportunities in some lives be it health problems, accidents, war, and so many other inconveniences ect.
     
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    Hi Jeanie,

    I suspect this feeling or conviction is, itself, a past life holdover. There are apparently a variety of indigenous groups/tribes that believe in family reincarnation. Someone may want to check this out. I think it may also be current in some larger groupings that hold reincarnation beliefs. So, in this scenario great grand-father is likely to come back as his own great grand-son, etc. I haven't heard whether great grand-dad is blocked from return if the line dies out, but perhaps that is also true somewhere.

    In any case, this seems to be an unusual mind-set in most that believe in reincarnation, and I know of nothing in the scientific research to support it. However, unless (1) he has a present-life background as part of a group that believes that reincarnation is limited to one of your own descendants, the fact that this seems to be an established truth in his mind does make me suspect that (2) it is part of a left-over but well-established belief system from prior lifetime(s) in such a group.

    Just guessing, but an interesting query.

    Cordially,
    S&S

    PS--Just droppin' by :cool:
     
  8. Oak

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    A thought to ponder - One of the reasons reincarnations are disjointed and often difficult to recall is that families are disjointed and difficult to recall. As above so below, mico - macro and all that. When families were strong and people more tied to their heritage, bloodline and the earth under their feet, souls chose to reincarnate into their family/tribe/community more often. What is left of my family is spread all over my country and I have rarely ever seen them, many I never even met before they died. So there is less focused connection there. I dislike this but felt I needed to stop by and post it anyway, right place right time.

    All the best.
     
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    Sounds more like a feeling of shame for not having and not being able to have kids. I'm not sure where you live but I know there is a huge pressure in my country to have kids. Honestly though I'm not entirely sure I want to have kids. Kids are great and all (I have several nieces and nephews) but at the same time I am aware of how much responsibility they are and I feel I am just learning to take care of myself let alone a kid. Also if it helps you and your OH any some of the most successful people in my family are those who never had any kids. One of my older sisters has no kids and she is now a radiologist. I really think part of the reason she is so successful is because she never had to worry about the responsibility of a kid. Also I think it's best that she didn't have any kids because she can be impatient with kids. As for not being able to reincarnate because you have no kids I've never heard of such a belief.
     
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    good morning- this is just my opinion, and a bit of a separate tangent- but you had me thinking, thank you.

    i have struggled over the years with whether i am to go on living or not. i have a feeling i am going to face dissolution/dissemination. in a way, we are all going to end- and perhaps the "i" that does die is not the same self that gets reincarnated. and for many of us there is a confusion.

    whether i will continue on or not, i am trying to make peace in this life now. i believe god provides, in ways we can't recognize right away. i don't know what the future, in this lifetime, holds for me. but if this is it- i would rather find peace and experience that.
     
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    Realjanie,

    Not every lifetime that soul comes back to the physical plane requires to have children. From a much larger perspective as soul you are contributing to the balance of the population growth by not having any. I have heard it said that the perfect human population for this planet without stressing out the natural resources is about one billion.

    It took over 2 million years of human prehistory and history for the world's population to reach 1 billion in the late 1800's. And only another 200 years more to reach 7 billion today. So we are way over that mark. If you really want children its not a bad idea to adopt and give a child a loving home that does not have one. That itself is good karma right there. In any case soul has the whole physical universe with billions upon, billions, upon billions of other exoplanets out there to chose from to reincarnate on. We are not the only real estate available you know. And this planet won't last forever. As our sun ages and expands and becomes brighter we have less than a million years left before all life here is totally gone. By then most souls that have not cycled off from reincarnating on the physical plane will have moved on to other planetary systems within our milky way galaxy. And so the beat go's on.

    P.
     
  12. Cyrus

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    OK, I got it.

    As this planet is overpopulated, there is no shortage in available bodies to incarnate into.

    But nevertheless, as there are many more new available bodies in what some call "god forsaken countries" than in the "normal" countries, those of us that haven't bothered to have children in this reincarnation (and not only they), will next reincarnate with a greater probability into some of those awful countries where no one wants to reincarnate into, than otherwise.

    Nothing karmic, just arithmetic.

    So far so good.

    IMHO

    Best Regards.
     
  13. Speedwell

    Speedwell Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I must say I've not heard this view before, so it isn't something I ever thought about.

    However, it may be worth considering that in the Buddhist view, one of the most difficult tasks is to break the cycle of reincarnation, in other words, trying not to return has been one of the main issues. It's as though coming back here is the default, getting out of that loop is harder.
     
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    Speedwell,

    In many ways that is correct. Generally however soul must spend some time on the higher dimensions in between incarnations. But in general humanity at this stage of spiritual evolution comes back by default. The reason for this is, it is here in the 3rd dimension of reality where the bulk of our learning, growing and spiritual maturity takes place. This is because the challenges are much harder to over come here being we are limited within the scope and confines of the physical body and laws of physics in the 3rd dimension.

    However getting out of the loop as you say is by far much harder to overcome. This is caused by the lower ego or mind being in control rather than the higher self causing the illusion of Maya. Each new lifetime is a new one as soul generally does not remember it's past lives or even having knowledge of the existences of the higher dimensions at all. The whole physical universe is structured in such a way in keeping soul trapped into the illusion that this is the only reality that there is. That we are the body only. And that once death takes place of the physical body that is the end of the existences of the self. And for the most part it does an excellent job of doing this. This creates the cycle of coming back over and over again like clock work.

    It's only after many lifetimes does the soul finally begins to put the pieces of the puzzle together by going beyond the boundary's of the social norms of the day. It is when the soul starts to look inward for the answers rather than outwardly searching does the path towards enlightenment starts to take place. Once this happens there is no turning back. It may take a few more lifetimes to master this higher state of awareness but soon the soul will eventually cycle off the physical and the need to reincarnate here. Unless it decides to come back as a teacher, guide or spiritual avatar so that it may aid in the upliftment of humanity as a whole globally.


    Peace and love always.

    P.
     
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    Speedwell Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Well, I did reference Buddhism. I guess by 'correct' you mean in the context of the Eckankar religion. After all, there are many possible belief systems and each has its own path and ideas of correctness, while in this Earth-reality. Though in some views, even the word 'correct' is a form of attachment, something to be overcome. But each to their own of course.
     
  16. Oak

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    Put this in your soul. When someone tells me they can't escape reincarnating, I want to point them to the experience they are seeing right now that is trapping them in ? (insert your word here). You may have a long explanation for this but there will be a reason for saying it to look at. Its a cycle of experiences that repeat in different incarnations of those experiences. If you are spiritual ask to see the repeating pattern in a way you'll recognize it.

    Further thoughts to ease the mind about reincarnation as i've seen scare stories by some. There is no time outside of the body. We can have a 100 years worth of experience resting in a hearbeat. Sure come back, or spend many years worth of experience away from here. When you know that, you can do the reverse, and have many years real time away in a very short time's wait for the right day to come back. Some people can have these very long experience in their sleep or in the astral while alive. Further because some people are partially trapped, in a moment, or in a repeating pattern that might not come around again for a very long time, it helps to do this.

    Beyond this thank you for getting me to reflect, then relate to my reasons for where I am and why I am. Gratitude to you all.
     
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    I guess it takes all sorts. I made my post as an offering to try to reassure the OP. If it seems scary to others, that wasn't my intention. I'll reassure you on another day.
     
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    Speedwell, No not by the context of Eckankar but all religions or spiritual paths. It really does not matter what you believe in or not as the laws and process of reincarnation within the lower worlds of duality, matter, time and space are the same for everyone. This is just my opinion but all religions and spiritual paths are nothing more than tools for the soul to understand the divine source of spirit from within. The reason we have so many different religions on this planet is because every soul is coming from a different state of consciousness and stage of spiritual evolution. So in essence there is no right or wrong way to understand god as god understands the universal language of the human heart. After all we have all followed different religions or spiritual paths in our many past lives here on earth.

    We must remember that this dimension we live in now is also spiritual dimensions as well. And a very important one because it is here where we grow and unfold the most.

    P.
     
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    Sorry if I offended. Not what you said but its the prevailing attitude at the moment of certain spiritual teachers that people have no time between reincarnations, and while that can be true, its not the full story. While no time can pass, a lot of experience can happen and that can be very restful between lifetimes. Much like sleep can ;)
     
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    Hi, I have question about this. Can you clarify more about “ I” does not get reincarnated ? Do you mean that the same part of our soul doesn’t get reincarnated? If that’s what happens then how some people remember their past lives? Or do you mean that the same personality does not get reincarnated?
     
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    Few lives I had children, most I didn't. In this life, I was rather blah about it, although I am extremely grateful for my children. I have ran into the idea that you find moksha when you are usually childless so I can see where the idea is implanted.

    Since I was a small child, I have told people I am on my last leg. Maybe one more, maybe two. This "feeling" never changed, even with children. What did change was a responsibility to THIS life to make sure that all my obligations are met before I can move on.

    At one time I was suicidal, without throwing a pity party, my ex was abusive and mentally ill and took everything out on me, and then I moved in with my family where I was the favorite target of a psychopath (was diagnosed, not me being flippant). I had the method, as sure fire as I could get it, plans, date...everything. I also had an 8 year old. While he would have been taken care of, and things would have been ok for him...I could never shake that responsibility to actually do it. I was not finished here, I had a weight on me that I had to wait until my son was an adult before I could go. Ultimately, that was the whole reason for not doing it. Then I had another child (and things got a lot better...perm solution to temp problem and all that). I got the flu, almost died from it and fought harder to live then anything I had ever done. Because I wasn't finished here. I had a responsibility. (My son was an adult, my daughter 4). Same reason why I can't really be terrified of covid, I take the precautions and have faith that I will not die from it because I'm not done with my responsibilities.

    I still feel like I am on my last lives. I still feel like I have one or two more left.
     
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    Are you sure this isn't his way of suggesting you have children? Because that's an incredibly unfair position to put you in, if that is indeed the case.

    I can't imagine for a minute that having or not having children would impact your chances of reincarnation.
     
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    No more incarnation or “moksha” according to Hinduism can only be achieved after you have paid all your karmas. Having child is opposite -creating more karma and coming back. Person has to live a pure life to achieve the status where they don’t need to come back and get to stay in heaven. It is a privilege and not a punishment.
    I m not saying that no children meaning no coming back. Person has to work very hard to achieve that status. No sex, sober food, simple life, no attachment with earthly life and lots of meditation for years etc.
     
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    Foram,

    That's an interesting point of view in terms of getting off the cycle of birth and death in the lower worlds of duality. I once heard someone say that you know when your finally ready to cycle off the wheel of reincarnation on the physical plane when you are totally at peace with your life here. That means both the good, the bad and all the in-between states of being physical and all that comes with it. Once you achieve that state of consciousness from within there is nothing more for you to learn here anymore. You can then take up more permanent residences within the higher dimensions of our universe once you shred your mortal coil.

    Thanks for the post.....

    P.
     
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