Split Incarnation Questions

[TheCuriousOne]

Q1: If we supposedly can live more than one life simeltaneously, why can't we see through the other body's eyes?

Q2: What makes this the "dominant" body?

Q3: Can the personality of a split incarnation bleed into our "dominant" self? (eg a smart person having strange "dunce" episodes because their split self is a dunce)

Q4: When we remember more than one past life, how can we tell which life was "dominant"?

Q5: Also, what if we didn't live those other lives. Why do they show up in meditation/regression?

Q6: If we have dreams that take place in the present, but we are someone else, is that your split self, or a regular dream? (ie I dream that I am a male veterinarian [not an actual dream])

Q7: Do we live out our split lives in our dreams (ie in waking life I am me, but in my dreams I am someone else, and someone else is me), and can we change the other person's life (ie the person has a very important business type job, but I am no good at business, so can I cost the other person their job?)

Sorry for all the questions. This is one aspect of reincarnation that makes no sense to me.

 

[KenJ]

What is a "Split incarnation?


I have read about our soul having multiple incarnations at the same time, but my understanding is that neither is "dominant", they are each a piece of the soul energy where some energy still remains "back home".

 

[TheCuriousOne]

A split incarnation is when you live two lives at once. This is also known as overlapping lives.


Personally, this concept seems like a "get out of jail free card", where someone can go "I can say I was Napoleon even if someone else has more convincing memories".

 

[KenJ]

I have not heard of Overlapping lives other than Bateman's book. What you describe seems to be what I mentioned in my previous post with the exception of one incarnate being dominant.


Where did you read of this concept? Where can this information be found?

 

[Totoro]

Simultaneous and split lives are different.


Simultaneous lives have a short overlap of about 10 years and are more for keeping soul groups together since people are living longer. These are actually very common.


Split lives are lived at the same and are for the purpose if speeding up lessons learned and gaining experience. These in contrast aren't that common.

 

[KenJ]

My interest here is the same as my first post on this forum, the understanding of the structure. I understand the thought of two soul fragments existing during the same time period; I gave that example in my post. What I do not understand is the "dominant soul" part and the thought that they were somehow the same "person"/consciousness where it might be expected to "see through the other body's eyes". This makes no sense to me at this point and I'm curious as to the origin of the idea.

 

[TheCuriousOne]

When I say "dominant", I mean the body you inhabit for the entire duration of your life. For example, let's say I am living another life as a 35 year old Kentuckian. Why am I currently inside of a 19 1/2 year old Californian, and not the Kentuckian?

 

[KenJ]

The "you" that is writing here chose the incarnation that you are aware of, as I understand. And, if your Soul divided some energy to create another "person" who is in Kentucky, they are not sharing the same "life-consciousness" and are quite separate entities much like any other of the lives you might have had before dying and "uploading" to your basic Soul - at least that is how I understand it.


I'm not sure about when your lifetime-learning becomes part of your Soul's shared experience, but I do not think it would be shared between two awarenesses that happened to exist during the same time period in physical form.

 

[tanguerra]

When I say "dominant", I mean the body you inhabit for the entire duration of your life. For example, let's say I am living another life as a 35 year old Kentuckian. Why am I currently inside of a 19 1/2 year old Californian, and not the Kentuckian?

The soul is not a sausage that has to be sliced into portions and shared around. The soul doesn't 'split'. The soul just 'is'.


The soul exists outside of time and matter. I know it's a tricky concept to get your head around, but the soul doesn't have to obey the laws of time, gravity or space. 'You' can 'be' in as many places, and as many 'times' as you like. There is no absolute rule that says you can't have more than one life in the the same time period. You may have a life in Paris, say, in the 1890s and also one in Africa in the 1890s. It would probably be weird if you met 'yourself'. But, since you would be in a different body, with a different life experience, culture, background and so on, you might not even 'recognise' yourself.


It's a bit of a mind bender I know. But, essentially we are all 'one' having different experiences in all kinds of different times all at once. Time moving along in a straight line is an illusion that we experience when we are in a 'body'. We age, we walk along in straight lines, we see the seasons change. In a body we are part of the 'cycle of life. But just as the sun appears to travel across the sky when we are here on Earth, if we were to change our point of view to a point out sufficiently far out in space, we would see it is the Earth that travels around the sun. Not only that, but we are engaged in an elaborate dance with the sun and the other planets.


The illusion of time and gravity is created, at least in part, because we are not standing still while time passes us by, but we are hurtling through the universe at 70,000 km/hour.


In short, it's a lot more complicated that it appears.

 

[Tinkerman]

Interesting video T. I've never thought about the sun's movement through the galaxy. Mind boggling!


I also agree with you about "soul splitting." It is another concept meant to make us think. I don't believe it has form as we know it, as you said, "it just is." Oh the joys of discovery as we spiral through this vortex of being. We know so very little, and what we could learn is so incredibly beyond us. I think Socrates said, "wonder is the beginning of wisdom." So we sit back in wonder... at it all.


Tman

 

[KenJ]

There are several authors that describe the pre-birth planning where the amount of soul-energy is decided on for that lifetime. So in that aspect, it is divided up like a sausage.


I am having difficulty recalling the author, but recall the detailed description of why this is done and the problems that can arise when the incarnate insists upon using a smaller amount than would seem necessary to accomplish their desired outcomes in that lifetime.


It is an interesting idea to imagine that each soul is an indivisible "thing" that "just is". However, since those reporting having visited the other side of the "curtain" and reporting bits of energy with the ability of showing themselves in any form from human through a speck of light to invisible, the description of the soul being a "packet" of energy seems more workable to my understanding.


I like the video, I had seen another one not very long ago that was similar. I had always been in awe of our rotating at about 1,000 mph and not realizing it. I also realized that we had the added movement about the sun's path and the sun's path within our galaxy. It would have been a bit more complicated to show that in the video although I expected to see a non-linear path for the sun in the video. Adding the movement of our galaxy, both the rotation around its center and its orbit through space, to the rest of it would have really complicated it.


It is all a matter of perspective I suppose. It has always been interesting, to me anyway, to think of a wheel of a car that is going say 100 mph. The center of the tire, the hub, is moving at 100 mph in relation to the ground while the bottom, that is in contact with the ground, is moving at zero mph and the top of the tire is moving at 200 mph in relation to the ground. No spot on the wheel feels a surge from zero to 200 mph because that is not its reality so to speak.

 

[tanguerra]

Interesting video T. I've never thought about the sun's movement through the galaxy. Mind boggling!
I also agree with you about "soul splitting." It is another concept meant to make us think. I don't believe it has form as we know it, as you said, "it just is." Oh the joys of discovery as we spiral through this vortex of being. We know so very little, and what we could learn is so incredibly beyond us. I think Socrates said, "wonder is the beginning of wisdom." So we sit back in wonder... at it all.


Tman

Indeed. It completely blew my mind the first time I saw that. Truly, we are stardust.

 

[Nangijala]

There are several authors that describe the pre-birth planning where the amount of soul-energy is decided on for that lifetime. So in that aspect, it is divided up like a sausage.
I am having difficulty recalling the author, but recall the detailed description of why this is done and the problems that can arise when the incarnate insists upon using a smaller amount than would seem necessary to accomplish their desired outcomes in that lifetime.

It´s Michael Newton "Destiny of souls".

 

[KenJ]

Thank you Nangijala, I really need to write longer notes about the books I read since I have such a hard time remembering where I read something. What are your thoughts about this "dividing up the energy"?

 

[spacecase0]

I figure that if I split my spirit, then each part is then it's own after that,


am sure that we would all be closely linked, but would never be the same after the split


not sure about trying to combine 2 spirits at any point, not sure I would try if it were proven to be possible


also I also know that something is going on with time that is not what we see in our daily lives


so who knows what is actually possible

 

[KenJ]

It seems that the best understanding of these things come from entities on "the other side" explaining in terms that we can understand. From what I've read, part of the Soul's energy is given to the "spirit" (or whatever you might call it) that melds with the new physical body; usually about 50%, but as low as 30% or so). The portion remaining behind has tasks and learning just as much as the part that we, as humans, have with us, so they need the ability to carry on there also.


After death, the Soul-part that experienced the incarnation re-unites with that part it was divided from (according to Canon, Newton, and others) yet remains a distinct "personality" that retains its personal experiences according to Robert Schwartz.


Any division of the Soul has the complete knowledge and understanding of the undivided Soul, much like a fractal image or a hologram. I assume that the new learnings of the portion that incarnated is added to the complete Soul upon rejoining after the death of that body. Although, it could be that these things are "uploaded" during that lifetime, I do not recall anyone describing this directly.


Since these descriptions are given through psychics and responses to questions from a regression therapist, there is no "scientific" proof of the validity, however, there does seem to be consistency throughout the years of reporting.

 

[tanguerra]

...Since these descriptions are given through psychics and responses to questions from a regression therapist, there is no "scientific" proof of the validity, however, there does seem to be consistency throughout the years of reporting.

Yes. There is quite a lot of consistency in what I have read from peoples' reports too. However, a lot of people say things like '...it's hard to describe, but I'll try... '. A lot of what goes on in the 'in-between' state is difficult to describe to others and I wonder if attempts to describe it are sometimes misinterpreted too literally.


We often get people's own ideas about how the world (and heaven) "should" work inserting themselves into the discussion too, whether deliberately or not is not always easy to say. I have my suspicions about various psychics and channellers who purport to be speaking on behalf of some 'great spirit' or other, but really describe a system pretty similar to some fairly standard concepts, popular in most 'new age' writings. It's a bit like in the middle ages, where the monks and mystics described a strictly ordered heirarchy in 'heaven' that bore a startling resemblance to human society at the time.


It could be that 'heaven' actually does mirror the human world ... or not.

 

[dking777]

Sorry for all the questions. This is one aspect of reincarnation that makes no sense to me.

Sounds like an identity crisis.


When I was 18 - I described a memory I had and my Mom blew a fuse - trying to figure out how I had a memory of the day I was brought home from the hospital. I could recall it vividly - and there was a 'pre-birth' memory of a 'separation' that occurred prior to coming into - and waking up in a physical body. I could recall talking about that 'separation' as a child. My Mom - and everyone in my family recalls me talking about 'the other half' of me that got separated from me when I was born. I developed a 'psychic' bond with this one as a child - and we communicated with one another. Everyone had stories of catching a 'glimpse' of me kneeling and talking to a transparent 'image' of another child.


I had a psychic bond with this one from birth to the age of 23.


As a child, my Grandfather felt I was referring to the Plato myth. My Grandmother would reference the bible - and Genesis how the soul was created in the image of - as two in one before the rib (side) was taken from one and placed in another physical shell of a body for companionship.


At the age of 18 - I had a 'dual NDE' with this 'other half.' The reason for this was - my other 'half' had just died and we were back in our 'original form' of 'two in one' body.


Throughout my 23 years of having direct contact with this one through a very mystical physic bond was -- when we were in human form - we were like siblings born of the same soul. My identity as a human and as a spirit were uniquely mine. Their identity as a human and as a spirit were uniquely theirs. There was never any confusion about the separate and unique identities -- even though - during my 1978 NDE - we merged into one being - and radiated back to the 'over-soul' we were born or derived from prior to our spiritual conception and separation. The 'other lives' lived by the other half - were a part of the same 'over-soul' -- but never a direct part of my own individual life - or previous lives. There was a connection - but that connection never confused my own inner identity.


I came 'face to face' with this one (in the flesh) in 1977 and spent two months getting to know them as a person - and there was no feeling that this other person was 'me' - nor - did this other person suffer any sort of identity crisis. Their life was theirs and my life was mine. On a human level - we were complete strangers to one another. That was the plan from the beginning and what I could recall that first day home from the hospital. It was a 'form' of masquerade and I knew that when I came 'face to face' with my 'other half' - we would be strangers on the outside - but very familiar to one another on the inside. It was a divine experience. I never felt so close to God - as I did when our paths crossed one another.


On the other side - this process if very 'ordered' and controlled. It all makes 'sense' on the other side - but here in the human world - our minds get lost in all the theories associated with this process. When my spirit merged back into the state of 'two in one' -- I looked at my ' spiritual other half' past lives as 'masks.' I looked at the world as a 'masquerade ball' and I had a laugh at how hard it had been for me to look beyond the mask to the spirit that was hidden inside when we met in the human world.


But it is very hard to put into 'human words' what you merge back into - because that 'over-soul' state of mind and being - is NOT human. What applies in the human world - doesn't apply in that 'over-soul' state of mind. You can try and describe it metaphorically - but human words fail to put an exact order and understanding to that 'divine state' of being.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[dking777]

When I had my 'NDE' in 1988 at the age of 28 - my spirit departed this world and got caught up in the spiritual undertow that was present in the world - and during that 'eternal trip' to the other side - I did take a trip to stand by the 'physical body' of my 'other half' because it had been reincarnated and was a child and I looked at it as a 'new mask' which was creating a 'new adventure' that I was not a personally part of - but - when the time came - I would get to hear all about it - and get a sense of 'living it' as my other half had lived it, but with the understanding - it wasn't my own personal 'life' that had been lived.


At the time of my NDE - I had befriended a young man and felt a 'divine connection' within. He was a stranger to me on the outside - and after I had my NDE - I understood why there was a mystical bond hidden away inside between us. I got 'swept' up to the scene and aftermath of my cousins 'death' from this world and visited his spirit while it was in 'limbo' between incarnations. It was during that 'eternal time' in spirit - that I realized the young friend I had befriended was the 'other half' of my cousins soul. This was all planned on the other side. When my cousin died - his other half had showed up to help me deal with the grief of his loss.


When I came back from my NDE - of course, I looked at my young friend with a different understanding of our close friendship and why it had came to be - yet - his mind was still caught up in the darkness of this world. I mentioned it to my young friend after my NDE - and he looked at me like I was an alien from outer space. His spirit and the spirit of my cousin were born from the same soul - and they were bound together throughout eternity - but here - there was a separation and his mind was totally in the dark about that.


Was it my place to explain it to his mind? He wasn't interested in the details of it - and said he would cross that bridge when he came to it personally and directly. I just told him to get ready for 'visits in the night' from his other half that would come to him in 'dreams and visions.' His spirit was going to be 'freed' from the gravity and the burden of time - and be in an 'eternal state' which would prime that sort of psychic communication from the spirit of the other half of his eternal and divine soul. He never spoke to me about the communication and kept it to himself. He did acknowledge the fact that something was coming to him in his dreams - and he didn't know if I had tripped his imagination. It was nothing new to me - and I had experienced this sort of thing many times in the past. I didn't feel the need to pry into what was being said in those private dreams. For me, I looked at the 'human mind' as fragile and delicate. This sort of 'information' could create an 'overload' and a burden for the mind to comprehend. For me - I just looked at it (in the past) as a pep talk to help boast morale for the current adventure - and assurance that there was something waiting for them on the other side for them to celebrate a victory of sorts. This 'victory' would only be understood inwardly from those two individuals. It is 'divine bond' of eternal love. We all have it hidden away within the depths of our spirit and it is like a beacon of light guiding us through the darkness of time.


This is just one example of how I got swept up in the spiritual undertow hidden beneath the surface of human lives - and encountered two separate incarnations from the same 'over-soul.' I never got a sense that two of the same soul would ever be caught up in confusion about their individual identities or the 'separate masks' the same soul was projecting into the world at the same time.


.............................................

 

[dking777]

We are caught up in a 'state of forgetfulness' here in this world. When you wake up on the other side - your memories of everything eternal start to wake up with you - and - this part of the 'hidden bond' will rise up and come alive to your personal understanding. There will be no sort of confusion to your past lives - and the past lives of your 'other half.' You will retain your own 'unique' identity as it relates to your own personal path through the world of time and humanity.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[Shiftkitty]

Q1: If we supposedly can live more than one life simeltaneously, why can't we see through the other body's eyes?
Q2: What makes this the "dominant" body?


Q3: Can the personality of a split incarnation bleed into our "dominant" self? (eg a smart person having strange "dunce" episodes because their split self is a dunce)


Q4: When we remember more than one past life, how can we tell which life was "dominant"?


Q5: Also, what if we didn't live those other lives. Why do they show up in meditation/regression?


Q6: If we have dreams that take place in the present, but we are someone else, is that your split self, or a regular dream? (ie I dream that I am a male veterinarian [not an actual dream])


Q7: Do we live out our split lives in our dreams (ie in waking life I am me, but in my dreams I am someone else, and someone else is me), and can we change the other person's life (ie the person has a very important business type job, but I am no good at business, so can I cost the other person their job?)


Sorry for all the questions. This is one aspect of reincarnation that makes no sense to me.

Just as a flame can only light one candle at a time, the soul can only light one body at a time. I do not believe in simultaneous incarnations or overlapping lives.


Yes, you can touch an unlit candle to a lit one and ignite it, but it is not the same flame. One flame may be a "child" of the other just as we have children, but they are not the same flame.


Just my belief on the matter.