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"TABA, you have envisioned cities in the West buried in ash. This can only be the result of massive volcanic activity, with the only likely suspect being the Yellowstone super volcano."

There is another option for that. The Long Valley Caldera. Its adjacent to Mammoth Mt. That mt. is a dormant volcano. The 16 x 32 km (20 x 10 mi) Long Valley caldera east of the central Sierra Nevada Range formed as a result of the voluminous Bishop Tuff eruption (considered a "supereruption") about 760,000 years ago.

https://www.usgs.gov/volcanoes/long-valley-caldera

Hi Cryscat,

This is interesting. There are many drawings and articles showing the probably areas of devastation from a Yellowstone super volcano eruption. Have you been able to find anything similar in terms of the Long Valley Caldera? I have tried looking myself in order to try and get some type of comparative analysis. Without much luck, unfortunately.

One thing does, however, seem certain. The location of the Long Valley Caldera, being farther from the center of the country, might not devastate as much of the U.S. So, that would be comparatively good news, though still disastrous.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi Cryscat,

This is interesting. There are many drawings and articles showing the probably areas of devastation from a Yellowstone super volcano eruption. Have you been able to find anything similar in terms of the Long Valley Caldera? I have tried looking myself in order to try and get some type of comparative analysis. Without much luck, unfortunately.

One thing does, however, seem certain. The location of the Long Valley Caldera, being farther from the center of the country, might not devastate as much of the U.S. So, that would be comparatively good news, though still disastrous.

Cordially,
S&S
On that page under hazards there is this map. The main reason why this might be a alternative to Yellowstone is because it is a young volcanic system. This map is based off an eruption event from 600 years ago. That eruption was considered small.

https://www.usgs.gov/volcanoes/long...es-above-18000-ft-near-long-valley-california

also

https://www.usgs.gov/volcanoes/long...l-hazards-small-moderate-sized-eruptions-long
 
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Hi Klaud,

I'd very much like to hear more in terms of future visions and insights. BTW--one of the videos posted by TABA also had predictions for the destruction of Tokyo via Mount Fuji. On the happier side, aside from impending disaster, there also seems to be a glimpse of something (at least possibly) better on the other side of all of these disasters, but also very different.

Cordially,
S&S

They were extremely mundane. I didn't even find them all that interesting to tell you the truth. They were things like people I haven't seen for a while making an appearance.
 
From years of research I can say that should America fall it would open the door to so much worse for the rest of the world due to leaving a power vacuum thus more regional conflicts such as China invading Australia as some have reported dreams in the past couple of years. The same for Europe as there have been reports of invasion there as well for some reason or another such as Italy being invaded from north Africa and that Germany will do nothing to a dream I came across that someone had back in the 1890s (not typo) of Paris being left in ruins from a war twenty years earlier. So there is more than enough reason to keep the US going just a little longer until at least the big Earth changes hit so the other players would be too weak to wage war on any meaningful scale other wise we're all in for a very nasty ride over the next few years.

How did you find a dream someone had in 1890?
 
How did you find a dream someone had in 1890?

Someone had it written down then later discovered and posted online which isn't as unusual as most would think though it has been around a decade since I last came across it so like a lot of others it might not even be up anymore.
 
Hi All,

In the midst of some other depressing possibilities discussed (or perhaps supporting them), I thought I would bring up this one:

www.dailymail.co.uk

One-in-six chance of major volcanic eruption this century, says study

Michael Cassidy, associate professor of volcanology at the University of Birmingham, told Nature : 'There is no coordinated action, nor large-scale investment, to mitigate the effects of large eruptions'
www.dailymail.co.uk
www.dailymail.co.uk

So, there are other, somewhat less destructive possibilities, outside of an erupting super volcano or doomsday asteroid. That is the good news. The bad news is that this one is far more likely than the other two, and seems to also jive with some of the concerning prognostications being considered.

Cordially,
S&S
 
There has not been a lot of action on this topic for a couple of years, but then that could be said about most topics on the board. (I can't tell whether people have just become disinterested or ???). Anyhow, anything unusual coming from our local super volcano makes me nervous, so I thought I would post some of the articles showing a brief (and tiny) hiccup at Yellowstone.



This type of thing apparently happens from time-to-time, but it still makes me nervous. This is mostly due to some of the fairly catastrophic predictions circulating at the moment about "earth changes" and etc. during the next few years. Of course, at a rational level this type of thing shouldn't mean anything to me, and I would pay very little attention to it if I was not beset by a certain "jumpiness" and foreboding these days. Oh well, probably nothing. 😅
 
There has not been a lot of action on this topic for a couple of years, but then that could be said about most topics on the board. (I can't tell whether people have just become disinterested or ???). Anyhow, anything unusual coming from our local super volcano makes me nervous, so I thought I would post some of the articles showing a brief (and tiny) hiccup at Yellowstone.



This type of thing apparently happens from time-to-time, but it still makes me nervous. This is mostly due to some of the fairly catastrophic predictions circulating at the moment about "earth changes" and etc. during the next few years. Of course, at a rational level this type of thing shouldn't mean anything to me, and I would pay very little attention to it if I was not beset by a certain "jumpiness" and foreboding these days. Oh well, probably nothing. 😅
Hi, S&S:

You're right about such eruptions happening about once in 600-800 thousand years.
But the truth is they happen each time with a much smaller violence, just because the Earth's internals are getting colder with time, and this planet, sooner or later, will become as dead, geologically speaking, as e.g. Mars is dead today.

Well, of course, if someone like Nancy Pelosi doesn't intervene and perform another trip to Taiwan or Ukraine, and the Chinese or the Russians don't consider that now that the Earth's internals are so much colder, dropping some bombs over there won't provoke so global an eruption as 600-800 thousand years ago, and this will remain fairly local, limited only to one hemisphere.

Regards
 
Only future I ever saw was this one as a kid.
Hi Elle,

I'm confused. Are you saying that you foresaw the current state of the world with all the various innovations and changes from then to now, etc. when you were a child?

Cordially,
S&S
 
To the OP,

For a long time I thought my feelings of having a "past life" were actually a future life. I thought that way because I have a distinct memory of leaving the planet on a ship. However, in my later years I kind of accepted that this could still be a past life but from a different planet.

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As for our future- here in the west. I am really curious what the next two years will bring.
Prior to Covid-19 I met a monk who gave a Satsang and would go on to describe the mini-era we find ourselves in. He told me the two major things to come out of this mini-era are depopulation and digital identification. He said the warring ideals of today are civic nationalism vs globalism. He correctly predicted the COVID crisis and warned those years ago that 2025-2026 would bring another global catastrophe worse than COVID. He also said that peace would be palpable by 2029 and by 2034 the new era would be made apparent.

He has since held a second satsang after COVID and went on to talk about the planet Jupiter as a "Guru planet" and said it was speeding up through all these houses. Long story short, the West has some serious weather coming- he said we don't know what the big one(the big global catastrophe) is going to be, we can only speculate. I have long questioned if the next "thing" would be because of our not-so-secret efforts to control the weather. This time he went on to say that India would be involved in the world war by I think 2027-2029. He did say this would be a great opportunity for the spiritual seeker to develop their Faith and relationship with God.

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Moving further along our timeline I see travels in space for the wealthy in a decade or two. Perhaps my grandchildren would be accustomed to living in space stations. Personally I do not want to live in space. I would hate being confined to a station- no dirt, no ocean, no trees.
A fun futurist website that I loved visiting, for the curious reader:
www.futuretimeline.net

Check it out! = )
 
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Hi Elle,

I'm confused. Are you saying that you foresaw the current state of the world with all the various innovations and changes from then to now, etc. when you were a child?

Cordially,
S&S
Yes. If you remember the nuclear dream thread, it sort of went from that time.

It is not NOW, it's in a few years according to what Future me said.
 
Yes. If you remember the nuclear dream thread, it sort of went from that time.

It is not NOW, it's in a few years according to what Future me said.
Hi Elle,

I feel like an idiot now. Believe it or not, I did not recognize your name as being the same person I had such interesting and enjoyable interchanges with last fall. I went back and read through them all again just to refresh my memories, though it is a bit frightening to know that the predicted time is drawing near.

I don't doubt this, as the world seems to be rushing towards disaster (more that at any time in my lifetime). This may include WWIII, the downfall of our civilization, and/or worse. The hatred between nations is dangerous enough, but the hatred between factions in the Western nations is even worse, IMO. It is rampant here, and from what I can tell (and hear from a friend in England), it is just as bad or worse over there. I am hoping for some form of reconciliation and/or resolution in all of these conflicts, but . . . .

In any case, I do wish I knew enough to plan and prepare a little better. I'd like to be positioned to help my children and grandchildren, but don't really know whether any of us should stay where we are in NE Florida (which some say will be inundated). Still, we are where we are, and there is no point in going somewhere else when one does not know where safety lies.

Cordially,
S&S
 
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Moving further along our timeline I see travels in space for the wealthy in a decade or two. Perhaps my grandchildren would be accustomed to living in space stations. Personally I do not want to live in space. I would hate being confined to a station- no dirt, no ocean, no trees.
A fun futurist website that I loved visiting, for the curious reader:
www.futuretimeline.net

Check it out! = )
Hi Cloud,

I was interested in what the quoted monk had to say, but also wanted to point you towards the work of Gerard K. O'Neill in response to the idea of being confined to a station with "no dirt, no ocean, no trees." The giant O'Neill habitats and the other aspects of the High Frontier movement, may yet be realized and also present a "generation ship" way of settling the stars by taking a bit of earth with us. In his scenarios, the best stars to colonize will have lots of exploitable raw materials and usable solar energy, but need not have habitable planets (which are very rare indeed in the continually growing list of extra-solar planets discovered by astronomers). Indeed, he envisioned a time when far more people lived in space based habitats than on astronomical bodies, doing away with the "gravity well" problem and allowing fast travel between points in space as well as allowing maximum weather free exploitation of solar energy. A starship colonization mission would culminate in a starship/habitat taking orbit around a distant star and beginning the leisurely task of exploring and building additional habitats for a growing human population, with terraforming and planetary settlement efforts being secondary. Sigh! I still find these concepts exciting and hopeful. I just hope they may still be possible, and if not, because there is something even better. :)

Cordially,
S&S

PS--A good place to start in exploring these concepts would probably be the following Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_settlement
PPS--Here is an artist's rendition of a Stanford Torus, one of the smaller varieties (and still requiring a "roof"):

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And yet, there are lots of publications affirming the human race will never be able to leave the Solar System, to say nothing, to live on another planet - the Earth will remain our home forever.
Just make a search on Google with something like "We'll never leave Earth", "Fermi Paradox: Great filter - what destroys all the civiliaztions" or smth. of the kind.

Best regards.

 
And yet, there are lots of publications affirming the human race will never be able to leave the Solar System, to say nothing, to live on another planet - the Earth will remain our home forever.
Just make a search on Google with something like "We'll never leave Earth", "Fermi Paradox: Great filter - what destroys all the civiliaztions" or smth. of the kind.

Best regards.

Hi Cyrus,

I am familiar with the arguments, and watched the video as well. However, the whole point of the movement that O'Neill started was to supersede the idea of planetary bodies (whether in this star system or another), and especially human habitable planetary bodies, as the goal of space colonization. He saw living in space itself (with its readily accessible solar power and physical resources) as the basis of a new kind of human civilization that would truly be space based and extraterrestrial. I.e., planets, moons, asteroids, etc. become a source of raw materials, but the real expansion of humanity will be via application of those materials to the construction of space habitats with earth-like interiors with space industry and agriculture.* These habitats seek to reproduce normal (and somewhat idealized) conditions on the earth's surface--so it is not like living life confined to a station without "nature" and includes most of the pleasures of planet earth. Whether all of those pleasures (e.g., mountain climbing) can exist in such a habitat would probably depend on how large such habitats can be made. Some that have been considered would be large enough IMO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_Ring_(habitat), but are more theoretical.

O'Neill's focus was not on interstellar travel, but he did consider that creating viable habitats with self-sustaining eco-systems/life-support systems capable of existing indefinitely without outside resources and support to be one of the necessary prerequisites for a generational starship, and discussed the idea of using such habitats for interstellar colonization in some future era. However, as noted above, his ideas did not focus on finding habitable worlds, but general exploration and finding new places for humans to build their own habitable "worlds" (i.e., new space based habitats, etc.).**

Cordially,
S&S

*PS--This does not mean that he wasn't interested in planetary exploration, terraforming, etc.--just that he considered it secondary.
**PPS--The concern about people binding many successive generations to life in a place that their distant ancestors chose is real, but didn't most of the people who settled the Americas come here with that same intention?
 
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Hi Elle,

I feel like an idiot now. Believe it or not, I did not recognize your name as being the same person I had such interesting and enjoyable interchanges with last fall. I went back and read through them all again just to refresh my memories, though it is a bit frightening to know that the predicted time is drawing near.

I don't doubt this, as the world seems to be rushing towards disaster (more that at any time in my lifetime). This may include WWIII, the downfall of our civilization, and/or worse. The hatred between nations is dangerous enough, but the hatred between factions in the Western nations is even worse, IMO. It is rampant here, and from what I can tell (and hear from a friend in England), it is just as bad or worse over there. I am hoping for some form of reconciliation and/or resolution in all of these conflicts, but . . . .

In any case, I do wish I knew enough to plan and prepare a little better. I'd like to be positioned to help my children and grandchildren, but don't really know whether any of us should stay where we are in NE Florida (which some say will be inundated). Still, we are where we are, and there is no point in going somewhere else when one does not know where safety lies.

Cordially,
S&S
I hope it was just a dream. There is some oddities from the dream that are falling in place. As a small kid, I followed the adult me from a pasture to a house with a stove in it. The adult got off a brown horse with a spot on its head that resembled a sunflower and a scar on it knee. I'm afraid of horses, so if you told me I'd own one, I'd of laughed, but that horse in the dream is a year old right now. As she was being ridden, that's 2 years away from now, and both the adult and horse were way too comfortable with riding, so I'd put it at a minimum of 3 years from now (a month ago she got her scar...it's a cut that is almost healed today) and the stove I bought 6 weeks ago, and the house is several months from being built.

As to recognizing me, don't feel bad. IRL I am very beige, I look like someone you know, but so bland in appearance you forget you know me and not someone else anyway and very reserved in personality. I take no offense to it. You'll forget me in a few weeks until I pop on and say something else ;)
 
I hope it was just a dream. There is some oddities from the dream that are falling in place. As a small kid, I followed the adult me from a pasture to a house with a stove in it. The adult got off a brown horse with a spot on its head that resembled a sunflower and a scar on it knee. I'm afraid of horses, so if you told me I'd own one, I'd of laughed, but that horse in the dream is a year old right now. As she was being ridden, that's 2 years away from now, and both the adult and horse were way too comfortable with riding, so I'd put it at a minimum of 3 years from now (a month ago she got her scar...it's a cut that is almost healed today) and the stove I bought 6 weeks ago, and the house is several months from being built.

As to recognizing me, don't feel bad. IRL I am very beige, I look like someone you know, but so bland in appearance you forget you know me and not someone else anyway and very reserved in personality. I take no offense to it. You'll forget me in a few weeks until I pop on and say something else ;)
Hi Elle,

I definitely didn't forget you, I just forgot your name! In any case, I have been thinking about the situation and vision you have described, and tend to think that the best fit--outside of a nuclear weapon--would be a meteoric or asteroid air burst, such as occurred not too long ago in Russia:

On February 15, 2013, a meteoroid exploded in the atmosphere over Chelyabinsk, Russia, about 30 kilometers above the surface. The asteroid was approximately 20 meters (66 feet) in diameter and entered the atmosphere at a speed of 19 kilometers per second. As it burned up, it exploded with a force estimated to be between 300 and 500 kilotons, creating a flash that was briefly brighter than the sun and a shockwave that damaged thousands of buildings. The shockwave also shattered windows, causing injuries to almost 1,500 people, mainly from broken glass. Hundreds of residents also suffered eye damage from the blast. The explosion caused millions of dollars in damage throughout Chelyabinsk.

This was, however, a relatively small air burst when compared with the more famous Tunguska event over Siberia in 1908 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event). Estimates of the energy released range from "3–30 megatons of TNT". (For comparison purposes, the largest thermonuclear device ever exploded was created by the USSR and was the equivalent of around 50 megatons of TNT). Fortunately, the Tunguska event happened very far from civilization in what was apparently an uninhabited or very sparsely inhabited area. What you are describing might be much larger.

So, the next question is: do we know of any possible culprits that could be causing a problem in the time zone you indicate. As a matter of fact we do. One possibility would be the fairly famous Apophis asteroid:


This one will be making some fairly close passages (astronomically speaking) in 2029 and 2036. Here is a disturbing "short" with Neil Tyson describing what an encounter with this asteroid in 2036 might be like (sans air burst):


At the present moment, scientists are discounting impact possibilities for at least another 100 years, and they're probably right . . . but . . . .

Cordially,
S&S

PS--There are even scarier asteroids out there, such as 1990 MU (which is apparently in the dinosaur killer size range). I can only find one source (which I know nothing about, but seems to fall in the "tabloid" category) predicting problems here:


However, 1990 MUs next approach also falls in the time zone indicated, being in June, 2027. If this one hits, it is hard to imagine it causing less than a world-wide catastrophe, and putting human survival in jeopardy.

PPS--If a space rock is in our future, I think it possible that we won't even see it until it is too close to do anything about it.

PPPS--I am reminded of Revelations 8, especially, Rev. 8:8--though I usually interpret most of its passages figuratively.
 
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Hmmm. Given my last reference, I decided to read Rev. 8:8 again, and whaddaya know! A pretty picture came up along with websites for this chapter. Making allowances for artistic license in the rendition, it does make one think . . . . 🤔

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More on Air Bursts:

When a meteor undergoes an airburst, it breaks apart and explodes due to the extreme friction between the meteor and the air:
  • Meteor disintegrates: The meteor's speed rips it apart as superheated air forces its way into cracks and faults in the meteor's surface.

  • Air heats up meteor: The friction between the meteor and the air rapidly heats up the meteor's material.

  • Meteor explodes: The meteor explodes from the inside out due to the high pressure plasma that enters its interior.

  • Shock waves: The airburst can produce shock waves with high wind speeds.

  • Thermal radiation: The airburst can produce thermal radiation that can ignite fires and cause skin burns.

  • Seismic effects: The airburst can produce seismic effects.

  • Ionosphere disturbances: The airburst can cause disturbances to the ionosphere.
A notable example of a meteor airburst was the Chelyabinsk meteor in 2013, which exploded over Russia. The explosion was 30 times the force of the Hiroshima atomic bomb, and it injured almost 1,500 people.

ALSO:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteo...meteoroid is,on the body's internal structure.
 
Hi Cyrus,

I sincerely hope we never experience anything like this. I read somewhere that NASA had nuclear pulse rocket (I.e. Orion) plans ready on standby for a big job. :rolleyes: I think that is a load of 💩 for a variety of reasons. But anything big enough to be rounded by gravity is gonna be too big for much of anything we could do anyway. o_O

I’ve only watched the ending of this movie on YouTube in the past. That by itself was too depressing for me to want to watch the rest.

Cordially
S&S

PS-I think possibilities like this are what keeps Elon working on making us an interplanetary species.
 
Hi, S&S:

Well, it's only one of Lars von Trier's films, but the only one I was able to endure from beginning to end.
Not of Scandinavian type I am.
I think the wisest (if not the only reasonable) way to avoid the impacts of asteroids/comets is not to try to blow them to pieces by an enormous nuclear explosion, but in detecting them early and changing their orbits so that they will avoid us.

I'm fairly optimistic on this. Our Earth has successfully avoided destruction in the far worse epochs, when there still remained many more asteroids and comets in the near space, and their number is continually decreasing with time. Same effect as with super-volcanoes.
So, you just relax, man.

P.S. The following musical group sings just some 35 km from Crotone (Calabria) where once the great Pythagoras lived.
They sing in Neapolitan, but ethnically are descendants of the Greek colonists who inhabit those lands since 700 years BC.

Just enjoy, and best regards:

 
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Climate Change- On the front lines in California

Keeping California's scenic Highway 1 open

Hi Cryscat,

Incredible scenery! When I see that road and the surroundings I have an attack of "California Dreamin'" and see myself cruising around those curves in a convertible on a sunny day! Sigh!

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I hope the erosion problems get solved, and I am pretty certain they will!
 
Hi, S&S:

Well, it's only one of Lars von Trier's films, but the only one I was able to endure from beginning to end.
Not of Scandinavian type I am.
Agreed! I have some Scandinavian ancestors, but I am definitely not into depressing movies.
I think the wisest (if not the only reasonable) way to avoid the impacts of asteroids/comets is not to try to blow them to pieces by an enormous nuclear explosion, but in detecting them early and changing their orbits so that they will avoid us.
Agreed, but once again, this depends on beginning the process as soon as possible. If we get late notice, trying a nuke is the best we can do, if we can even get there in time. So, we really need to be able to get there asap and start applying thrust asap as well as detect the problem asap. I still think that Orion is the best way to get there fast while the asteroid is still far away, though I have never been in favor of using it in the atmosphere or even close by. In an emergency, it could be boosted out of the atmosphere with strap-on boosters, but not if it doesn't exist.
I'm fairly optimistic on this. Our Earth has successfully avoided destruction in the far worse epochs, when there still remained many more asteroids and comets in the near space, and their number is continually decreasing with time. Same effect as with super-volcanoes.
So, you just relax, man.
Agreed, but the improbable does happen, even if rarely.
P.S. The following musical group sings just some 35 km from Crotone (Calabria) where once the great Pythagoras lived.
They sing in Neapolitan, but ethnically are descendants of the Greek colonists who inhabit those lands since 700 years BC.

Just enjoy, and best regards:

Watched for awhile, but too much of a "boy" band for me (I had to go through that phase with one of my daughters, who was a huge "Kpop" fan as a young teen 😳). However, I think I get your point--these youngsters and their ancestors have been around for a very long time without getting wacked by an asteroid, and we are probably in no more danger than they were.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--Orion would best be pursued after there is a strong lunar presence and operate only close to and beyond lunar orbit (by treaty) IMO.
 
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