The problem with physical resemblance used as evidence for past lives.

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  1. 4d4m

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    Thanks for sharing that!
     
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    Definitely. I still love being in nature, but you couldn't pay me to be a farmer again lol.
     
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    I should perhaps add that in that life I believe I died before my time, so I have assumed that perhaps it was that what ever I was left to do was not done, but still there is free will so this time around I chose not to try to enter that world (I might have been a complete failure at it too, ha ha). I do think it was/is strange, because there were so many other more pretty girls/women in that life that were not in that world and not in this one either and somehow I (who was terribly shy etc) ended up there anyhow. I think they were looking for different types and at the start she (I) was the girl next door. As I realized she was so shy and had stage fright etc I found it even more puzzling. I found out many years later (no internet) that she had stage fright, she did not like seeing pics/film etc of herself. When she learned to relax more (it was often a struggle) it was when focusing on a mission, and of someone else, and a feeling. That was her escape from feeling too nervous.

    /Jaimie
     
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  4. 4d4m

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    That is interesting. Through your insights you were able to correctly determine your nature in a past life. That is one problem with proving reincarnation; it's more of a path of self discovery and not easy to demonstrate in a scientific manner.
     
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    From my experiences which I won’t go into right now, I’ve come to the conclusion through intuition and coincidence, that Carolyn Bessette was a reincarnation of Nefertiti. Here’s an image comparison for study. I believe I know the REAL reincarnation right now too. Carolyn Bessettes wore the scent Egyptian Musk as her everyday signature. 0F601C9E-CE12-4274-B1D8-9F9E45045A57.jpeg
     
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    From what I’ve studied a little bit I believe a few of the parts of the face that change from life to life seem to be the lower nose, hairline, the chin, and size of cheek bones. I agree with what I’ve read elsewhere the the basic structure seems to carry on. Here’s an example of who I believe may be myself. 789BA9BB-5CED-4B3B-8853-F867DE3CA316.jpeg
     
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    Only my personal opinion, of course, but I don't think look-alikes alone mean anything. Together with actual memories or other indices, maybe.
    First, there are amazing look-alikes, too who are all alive right now, at the same time.
    Then, when you go back far enough in time, the chances that a particular historical figure is actually your ancestor become really high. So it could be a family similarity which happens to break through only every so and so many generations.
    One also has to take into account that not all statues and painting are accurate, Some are, others not so much.

    Anyway, I wouldn't base a "claim" solely on looks.
     
  8. Eva1942

    Eva1942 A Walking Enigma...

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    You do realise that’s a photograph of Smenkhkare dont you? :confused:

    Eva x
     
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    Eva1942 A Walking Enigma...

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    People like you, make people like me look crazy when we validate FPL. That’s why some of us don’t talk. That’s why I didn’t want to talk to you.

    I swear to Osiris, I’m going to lose it soon with these sorts of posts. :confused:

    Eva x
     
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    Personally I don’t believe you just because you claim it doesn’t mean others can’t . And it’s not proven to be Smenkhare it’s an educated guess. You don’t know all of my experiences.
     
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    Do you have any other evidence, December? Like actual memories, sudden insights, a strong emotional bond, anything?
    Of course, everyone has the right to "claim" what ever past live they wish, be there other claimants already or not. Also true that historians sometimes argue about the actual ID of a portrayed person.
    But if you want people to hear you out, then you shouldn't base your claim solely on looks.
     
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    I wanna clear up I’m not basing a claim on looks. I’m just not talking about my experiences that even lead me to look at these comparisons in the first place.
     
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    Eva1942 A Walking Enigma...

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    Quite frankly, I don’t care what you think. I made my comparisons AFTER I had MEMORIES and VALIDATION. I don’t look exactly like how I did as Nefertiti or even how I did as say... my medieval lifetime of St Ludmila of Bohemia. The only trait I’ve kept across my lifetimes famous or not are my cheeks and their semi chubbiness.

    So no.. physical resemblance counts for nought if you don’t HAVE the MEMORIES to back that up.

    Eva x
     
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    You should share some memories December. :)

    I don’t doubt there’s an obvious bond for you with ancient Egypt, even Akhetaten, but you should definitely concentrate on memories, recalls, coincidences etc over facial similarities.

    Ophelia Xx
     
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    One issue with FPLs is that once you "claim" them in public, people WILL ask you questions. It is everyone's right to keep memories or whatnot to themselves (because they are too personal, too painful or for other reasons), but who ever "claims" a FPL in public and is not willing to be questioned will loose all credibility.
     
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    Eva1942 A Walking Enigma...

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    Hey, I’m quite happy to be challenged. But to a spiritually advanced soul regardless of whether you base something on physical resemblance or not, the soul cares little for these ‘famous past lives’. Old souls care little for them too, because attention feeds the ego. That’s why I care little because to me and my old soul it’s just another lifetime I have lived, except it was in great luxury.

    I keep some memories to myself for personal reasons, but if you ask nicely I will share. If not sharing and not willing to talk about it because it is of little interest to me, makes me lose credibility then so be it. I don’t have to prove myself to anyone, NOBODY does.

    Anyways, I think we have had quite enough of this off topic debate, so let’s stick to physical resemblances huh?

    Eva x
     
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    Exactly
     
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    I mean,there isn't much wrong with using resemblance to get some sort of idea of who you where in a previous life,but just using resemblance is not enough.There was this one "pl scientist" who claimed my fpl was heavily linked to drew Barrymore just because she vaguely resembled me while I'm the one dealing with trauma from that life and she most likely doesn't even know who I was.So I personally think that i'ts more about memories and all that stuff or feeling a sort of connection to that life,but that's just my opinion I guess.
     
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    Those images are really similar. I think it takes more than a pic. Is there something about her personality that makes you think she was a queen in the past? I'd say it's definitely a possibility.
    Here's something else to consider; have you ever walked down the street and seen someone afar you thought you knew? When you catch up to them and say "Hi" they turn around and you realize you have the wrong person. It's also possible for people to have similar facial characteristics. The way to check is by comparing charts. That is also not conclusive but it increases the odds you are right. A third way is to compare their life story, this isn't possible until they are older of course.
     
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    When physical traits manifest, they are actually not that physical per se. If we actually measure people's faces, I don't think we will find many similarities. The physical resemblance people notice and talk about almost always seems to be "something else" than actual bone structure: the way someone stares, the way someone smiles, etc. This can perhaps be compared if you have a picture of your past life self. Not much can be achieved by comparing someone to a statue.
     
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    Could you please explain why or better how this is shone in the charts?
     
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    I share a strong resemblance with one, but we are not of the same race (and accounting for that difference, look very much alike), although there is some resemblance in all of them from what I recall. I've also had bad eyesight in all my lives and I am not a particularity pretty woman, nor ever have been, so there is that commonality as well. Mostly, I share a God level RBF with ALL of them. We are not pleasant looking people without effort. Nor am I in this life.

    On the same token, I look almost exactly like a an ancestor from the 1400s of Hungarian descent. I am Dutch, and every female in my family and with my maiden name has thin, blonde, straight hair, mine is medium brown with red highlights and I have really thick, wavy hair. I am also taller then most and have an hourglass and not square figure. I was never my Hungarian ancestor in a PL, I just happen to have my genes align in such a way as to be a random freak of genetics.

    I think resemblance is like that with a PL; a freak accident or features that are so common as to reappear over time. It also doesn't help that I am very average in features.
     
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    I often wonder what exactly happens when somebody shares similar facial features with a PL self, but on the other hand, resembles to his/her own ancestors too. In my case, my similarity between me and my parents is far from being breathtaking. I only inherited a few features and they're very blended. The eyeshape is my father's, but the color is my mother's. I got my father's face shape, but with my mother's compexion, etc. And I noticed one of my grandfathers had the same lip shape when he was a boy.
    And on the other hand, I also share similarities with my WWII German self. Mostly the face shape and the eyes, and I have the same colors (pale skin, blue eyes, fair hair). Both of us looked/look younger than our actual age. I wasn't tall in that life and I'm rather short again. Both the shortness and the youthful, smooth face is quite uncommon in my family, so these could have come from "somewhere else"... who knows.
     
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    This is beautiful to look at. 3D616ADA-E696-4F96-8084-B7563508CDB6.jpeg
     
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    While the research that Walter Semkiw and others have done with regard to peoples' resemblances to their past life selves is compelling, it should not be taken as gospel and one should not assume that because someone looks like a historic figure that they were that figure in a past life. While it's possible to look like a past life self, I agree with Owl in that the resemblances go beyond physical structure: the way an individual stares, smiles, etc. I see it more as an "essence" that comes through.
     
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    Yessss, I totally agree. Whenever I study faces, side by side, I see them melting into eachother, if that makes sense. Been doing this for many years. Sad thing is too many people focus on looks. That's not the lesson. Our souls as well as our skin ages from one life to the next. So we are not an exact copy, but close. Sort of like a snowflake. ❄
     
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    Technically i guess reincanration is not much defferent respect a "quantum leap" episode, if someone know the movie sitcom of scott bakula of 90 years.
    change the body, but not the behavour.
    about physical resembles, it can happen or not, there is a genetical heredity from parents and the spiritual transcription of genes too,that i guess explain how someone born with genetical illnsess of birth marks.
    so i guess is 50-50. the error is to confuse pareidolia and sosias with reincarnations of folks.
    otherwise, there are some absurd strange coincidenceds about that: 1 years ago i found a mosaic of byzantine empire, searching for my lives into early medieval, when there is an unknown guy that is very close to my physicial appearences.
    expecially if i compare to my childhood photos.
    cosider that genes are not static and they changes into the life, so the apperance most close of the PL appereance of a person is the early childhood appereance.
    despite that, i send you that link that is very interesting:

    https://www.academia.edu/27794324/A..._and_Synchronicity?email_work_card=view-paper
    are kennedy and lincoln the same soul with same soul groups of parents, friends and enemies? or history and time are just cyclical? or is just a incredible, scarry coincidences?
    i hope that can give some hint for discussion. :)






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    This has not been my experience. I'm aware of such things as birthmarks, but these are not always present or meaningful.

    In my view, the human baby is something like a blank slate, formless. As the child develops, the genetic disposition inherited from parents will influence the growth most of all. But I consider that within, there is an individual being inhabiting that body, making its own presence felt. It can take a long time for this inner force to apply its own imprint on the body - such things as emotions, facial expressions, taste in hairstyles or clothing, these may take years to transform the genetic material from its status as a 'blank page' to a fully-fledged human.

    But I don't think we should take mere physical resemblance too seriously - as I mentioned before, we can find alive today, people from completely different origins who when placed side by side appear very similar. And we know one of these is not the reincarnation of the other. They exist as two completely different individuals, each important in his or her own right. Some people make a career of impersonating famous (present-day) celebrities or public figures, not through witty vocal impersonation, but through having a similar physical appearance.
     
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    i guess we told most similar things into two different way. in fact i started my opinion talking of the "quantim leap" movie. basically it talks of a scientist that create a time machine very peculiar, instead to work like classic time machine it allow to the cosciunsness of the main character to "possess" for some weeks of their lives, folks lived into the pasts of the last 50 years of american history.
    reincarnation should not be much different: same soul into different bodies.
    about genes, well, maybe a new kid is a blank page, but it contain alls the genes of their parents and ancestors, so some PL memories are just genetical memories, i not know. there is however two fact i tell that:
    - when i was a newborn, I had light brown hair, almost blond. as I got older they got darker and darker. I often wondered if the different pigmentation was due to the fact that maybe in my previous life I had lighter hair.
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    I have suffered since birth from a genetic disease that affects collagen which is not hereditary and which, according to science, is the result of a "random mutation". however this type of pathology affects thousands of people around the world. I wonder if these things are somehow, since I have no motivation or genetic inheritance for having my condition, if it is not due to something, of which I have no memory, happened during fetal development, or even before birth, so attributable to past lives.

    there is also the fact that genetical code change during the life cause of illness, experiences, mood, and ambient influence, that's determinating. i have not the same identical genes and when i was born.
    precisely because of the mutations and changes caused by the years of food, lifestyle, diseases etc. so even as adults we are like plasticine statuettes that are shaped by the environment. As evidence of this, my genetic situation never remained static:
    I had certain symptoms as a child, which changed completely in the period between 14 and 32 years of age. now that I am approaching forty I have very different symptoms. if as a child they affected sight and fatigue, as an adolescent they mainly concerned the nervous system and metabolism. now I have more bone and circulatory problems. I think this experience of mine shows that genetics matters relatively, and in fact it is not coa rigid on stone, as mentioned in this thread. if I had had different life experiences I think that now I would have very different health conditions or that I wouldn't be right here talking now.

    i guess that the physical appearances of a person are a miscellanous of various parameters:
    1: genetic
    2: food, enviroment, life experience
    3: soul quantistic imprinting.

    on a rebirth analysis only the "soul quantistic impriting" should be common between two different bodies. the other parameters can completely change. and so, also the final result.
    i agree in part with the fact that two folks that are similar like two twins are not necessarly one the PL of another or have genetical connection,.
    but if i see a man that have the same face, behavour, mentality,
    even the name of another historical figure, and who acts in the exact same way with the same attitudes, way of saying and thinking, without even knowing that that person existed ... I can even ask myself some questions. in conclusion. I think that in a reincarection there may be cases of identical and parallel people as well as completely different people physically and mentally despite having the same soul in common. after all, I'm a completely different person than the mentality I had as a child. as a child I was shy, unsure, very intelligent and affectionate, now I'm much more cynical and talkative.

    I think that to reconstruct the type of personality someone had in your past life, must first consider what kind of personality and mentality you had as a child. ^^
     
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    Sorry, I've not seen that movie, it is unfamiliar to me.

    Well, yes and no. In my own life there were things from my very early childhood, especially in my earliest days at school from age 5, were very confusing to me, and must have been related to a past life. They only made sense to me half a century later. But other things, it was not until I was becoming a young adult, about 18 to 20 years old, that my past-life personality really started to show. I changed quite dramatically, which was something I just had to live with, but it was very disturbing to my family who found a stranger in their midst. So for me, I think we need to look sometimes in early childhood, and other times many years later, to see the past-life personality show itself.
     

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