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What is the most convincing verification of Past Lives you have seen?

Henrik Raun

Henrik Raun

Agnostic Mystic
Hi - I just started here - I saw Peter Ramsters "Reincarnation experiments" from 1983 - The best verification of past lifes I have seen.
1. Have you seen the video?
2. If so - what do you think of it?
3. What is the most convincing verification of past lives you have seen?


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Henrik Raun said:
Hi - I just started here - I saw Peter Ramsters "Reincarnation experiments" from 1983 - The best verification of past lifes I have seen.
1. Have you seen the video?
2. If so - what do you think of it?
3. What is the most convincing verification of past lives you have seen?


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Cynthia and Gwen’s stories… This is evidence of extra sensory phenomena. Both brought a tear to my eye. Sad and powerful.
 
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Tanoochi said:
Cynthia and Gwen’s stories… This is evidence of extra sensory phenomena. Both brought a tear to my eye. Sad and powerful.
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Do you have a link to “Cynthia and Gwen’s stories” - the one(s) that you think is a trustworthy verification of reincarnation ?
 
Henrik Raun said:
Do you have a link to “Cynthia and Gwen’s stories” - the one(s) that you think is a trustworthy verification
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Henrik Raun said:
Do You think the verification evidence is convincing? If so
Henrik Raun said:
Do you have a link to “Cynthia and Gwen’s stories” - the one(s) that you think is a trustworthy verification of reincarnation ?
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There is strong evidence to suggest that extra sensory phenomena or soul transference under hypnosis exists in Cynthia and Gwen’s cases. But I’m not exactly sure if it’s the same thing as reincarnation. I’ve had memories of a woman who lived in the past and she took me to a few different places. This was via recurring dreams, not hypnosis. She took me to places I’ve never seen before, yet I can describe the scenes and places in great detail. Whether or not I ever discover these places remains to be seen. I’m in no hurry to find them. In my mind they are clear as day. I’ve never undergone hypnosis and it’s not something I’ve ever wanted to do (the dreams were real enough), but if it was another avenue to provide further evidence or proof of past life recall then I would be willing to participate in an experiment. I don’t know how the hypnotic state differs from rhythms of the brain during sleep and dreaming. It’s all very complex, no two cases are alike,
reincarnation remains hard to prove and also hard to explain. I am me. She was she. Theoretically, you could be an infinite number of people. You don’t get to the edge of the universe and say this is the end. There are lots of universes. There’s no big concrete wall at the end that says you can’t go any further. We must go further, dig deeper into the unconscious mind and reveal certain truths about life on earth for the sake of humanity. Not all of us are cuckoo. Not all of us are fakes. There are people in this world who have real life connections to the past. That’s a fact!
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Henrik Raun said:
Do You think the verification evidence is convincing? If so what specifically?
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I’m interested to know why you think it’s the best verification of past lives you’ve seen? For me, there’s a number of things going on in both cases and it basically comes down to the level of detail involved in the memories and recollection of certain places, people and events. The ability to draw certain features of places visited with great accuracy and knowing exactly where to go to find houses, buildings, objects of interest, proximity to streams etc. Gwen also knew where to go and find places based on feelings and intuition. The highly emotional reactions on the discovery of these places appears to be genuine and obviously overwhelming for them. And how do you explain the changes in language (Cynthia could speak French) under hypnosis? They’re not talking gibberish. It’s astounding watching (observing) them put the pieces of the puzzle together. I’ve always been skeptical about hypnosis, the hypnotist’s voice and the possibility of the subject following suggestions, but this is the first experiment I’ve watched until the end. It’s impressive. I’m convinced Cynthia and Gwen are telling the truth. It’s far too difficult for someone to concoct a story of this nature and to this degree. Past life memories are real and a heightened awareness of self (spiritual life, even multiple lives) is clearly evident in the hypnotic state. There’s all this stuff (pl memories, astral travel, meditation, induced states of mind for healing and pain) that’s inviting further exploration. The power of the mind. It’s amazing!
 
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Hi Henrik,

I've not seen other accounts that were convincing. Personally, I've only read a few stories or have had personal experiences that would open me up to greater ideas about the nature of reality I had not considered before.

Welcome to the forums! Have you any personal experiences you'd like to share? I'm curious, what is an agnostic mystic? Henrik is a nice sounding name, hope we can learn more about you~
 
Tanoochi said:
I’m interested to know why you think it’s the best verification of past lives you’ve seen? For me, there’s a number of things going on in both cases and it basically comes down to the level of detail involved in the memories and recollection of certain places, people and events. The ability to draw certain features of places visited with great accuracy and knowing exactly where to go to find houses, buildings, objects of interest, proximity to streams etc. Gwen also knew where to go and find places based on feelings and intuition. The highly emotional reactions on the discovery of these places appears to be genuine and obviously overwhelming for them. And how do you explain the changes in language (Cynthia could speak French) under hypnosis? They’re not talking gibberish. It’s astounding watching (observing) them put the pieces of the puzzle together. I’ve always been skeptical about hypnosis, the hypnotist’s voice and the possibility of the subject following suggestions, but this is the first experiment I’ve watched until the end. It’s impressive. I’m convinced Cynthia and Gwen are telling the truth. It’s far too difficult for someone to concoct a story of this nature and to this degree. Past life memories are real and a heightened awareness of self (spiritual life, even multiple lives) is clearly evident in the hypnotic state. There’s all this stuff (pl memories, astral travel, meditation, induced states of mind for healing and pain) that’s inviting further exploration. The power of the mind. It’s amazing!
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The number of things that could be verified in church books - places - knowlegde of old words - etc is the best I have seen so far - best verification attempt so far ...
 
cloud potato said:
Hi Henrik,

I've not seen other accounts that were convincing. Personally, I've only read a few stories or have had personal experiences that would open me up to greater ideas about the nature of reality I had not considered before.

Welcome to the forums! Have you any personal experiences you'd like to share? I'm curious, what is an agnostic mystic? Henrik is a nice sounding name, hope we can learn more about you~
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Yes - well my position is "Agnostic mystic" -

"Mystic" due to the many experiences I had - that fit a "classical mystical world view) - from "deities" and shamanic power animals etc - to vivid past lives (where I had a convincing feeling of BEING another body - fantastic feeling - to two classical mystical experiences of waking up and being the absolute NOTHING / emptiness etc. I felt that my live long quest "know thy self" ended there. Mission accompliced.

"Agnostic"("doubting / critical thinking) maybe as I am a university boy (Computer Science/Philosophy) - out of these experiences I cannot doubt I had them - but I can doubt what they are? are they hallucinations?

So I am a "Thomas the doubter (Christian term) " - Critical thinking is not easy - it is hard "I might be wrong" is the core Tenet. Danger of cognetive emotive dissonans (painful - but must be endured if you are a truth seeker).

SO - verification of what can be verified is important in order to suggest (even prove?) past lives are real.
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Hi Henrik,

Thank you for taking the time to explain to me. It sounds like the mission of "Know Thyself" is not accomplished after all? I admire your ability to be honest with your self. I think it's very healthy to consider at times, "I might be wrong." What is the result of being right or wrong?

That you've had these fantastic experiences are incredible. You said you can not doubt you had the experiences, which makes me wonder what do you consider then to be real? I hear Morpheus from the Matrix in my head... "What is real? How do you define real?"

But "proof" may not be enough for someone else's sake. What's real for one, is not necessarily real for another. And sometimes, what one believes to be right another has called wrong.

Does reality extend beyond the capabilities of Human interpretation? Beyond Life from Earth? ...I think more important than proof is choice.

Ultimately,
How do you choose to Be?

Is it important to prove something to someone else who isn't interested in the first place? At a certain point it seems a leap of faith must be exercised by the individual.

I consider our evolution on a larger scale than my immediate life. But if all I had was my life to reference, I recognize some things come later- that there's a time for everything. Is a baby born fully capable of independence? I acknowledge a partnership between Creation and Creator.

I respect where you're at in your life, and can make peace with my self if you disagree with my current perspective. There would be a great number of people who question what I believe to be real because it is not immediately identifiable.

I believe in a Loving, Unseen Intelligence. It is parental in nature, it guides us in all stages of our lives, it blesses us with these unique experiences and comforts us when we find challenges. We don't always realize its presence, but over time we begin to recognize it- where what we think as, "outside ourselves" communicating with a reality we've thought as belonging, "inside" or to no other. It may even be, that something so extremely precise happens- something you would have no way of orchestrating yourself, that it makes you question the very nature of SELF.

It speaks to the mystic in me, I wonder if it has touched the mystic in you?

I've said in my earlier reply, I haven't much proof to give others. And more profound than the accounts I've read are the personal experiences I've had. It's proof for me, and unless someone else has experienced similar- it will likely be disregarded by a skeptic. I think it's actually rather rare or mature to consider another's reality in earnest.

The ideas my experiences have left me with have opened me up both by accepting my inability or limitations and at the same time, encouraging me to explore more- to see and experience things in a "new light." While we are limited in some regard- there are entire realities we've only just begun to realize and incredible potentials we have yet to actualize. I believe this glory isn't reserved for one man alone, but for all evolving life.

I have decided to believe in Life after Life after much help and encouragement from this Living Intelligence. I wouldn't wish to belittle my personal experiences in an effort to prove something to someone who would rather debate. But I can say, by making this choice- I feel beautiful experiences, I feel more connected to my peers and have made greater efforts to share Love and Good Will with the world around me. To pause, consider and feel with more sincerity.

I am grateful for these choices, the effort and the relationship with that Living and Loving Intelligence I would call God. I hope you are feeling inspired, and consider your own ability to choose.
 
Thanks for the response - 💜 Well - maybe I am a “control freak” (and should let go?) - as I want to KNOW - not only BELIEVE.
People - atheists - theists all believe their view of the world is correct - and they can’t be both - logically - absolutely.
I have a friend - professor in galaxy formation at the famous Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen - we discuss mysticism - he is a “state church” Christian - go to church - so it tends to be Christian mysticism we discuss. His identical one egg twin is also a professor at Niels Bohr Instititute - high energy physics - they have identical DNA - but he is an atheist - funny 😄. And they discuss.

I once was close to believe I saw 3 ghost - if I hadn’t kept checking I would wrongly assume today I “knew” I saw 3 ghosts.

When I was young I was in a wonderful EUREAN UNION sponsered MEDICAL INFORMATICS research programme with people universities companies from all over Europe - Greece, Finland Holland, France, Denmark England Ireland, etc . At Trinity college in Dublin - we all went there a dull Winters day - in a hunting castle in the middle of nowhere with only the research group staying there. At that time the “know thyself” call was very strong - and in a rainy stormy night, I had the feeling of something wanting to contact me (maybe in fact the call from my self to find my self?) - I felt I should go outside in the storm and Rain - to meet something - I felt strange when I said “I am here now” - at the fence to a field I observed 3 white figures coming towards me - it was frightening. If I at that moment had run away I would have believed I saw 3 ghosts. But I controlled my fear and kept standing - seeing the 3 white figures coming towards me was White Horses 🤗


Old Christian mystics say “I believe so I can know”- maybe I will chance my “agnostic mystic” way and be come a “gnostic mystic” - believing mystic one day.but not now - in analogy: I am the Christian Thomas the doubter - show me Jesus wounds so I can see and touch them - so I will KNOW not BELIEVE. I never understood why Thomas was not a Hero ? A true critical thinker.


P.s. I thing we humans have less choices to make than we think. E.g. I had no choice other that to follow the call “ know thyself”.E.g. I am a heterosexual male - I have no choice to other sexualities. My favorite Colourbox is deep purple - 💜 not by choice - it is like that. I like dark chocolate - not by choice.

All The best on your path 💜🤗🙏
 
:) Yes, it makes sense. And(in your earlier post- that rainy night in Dublin) I think you were definitely communicating with something, maybe even the horses themselves. 🐎 What an incredible experience ...and your replies make me very happy.

I know I can choose Love, I know it isn't always the easier choice. But I have begun to understand why it is the desired choice. I don't know if I always knew, maybe I forgot. I know at one point, I went from uncertainty- to wanting to believe, to believing... All the meanwhile... Things would reveal themselves to me. The word Faith has been cropping up in my life a lot lately. Just recently I had actualized, to some degree, that this being I would call Loving God has never wavered. That is to say, God faithfully loves you. I used to believe it in thought. But recently... I felt it. It is different. And only recently, do I speak of this intelligence as Loving God(despite Gods steadfast nature). Whether you call that God- Source, Universe, Self with a big S... It doesn't matter to me. It's profound for me to realize, it's *our God.

But that is my belief. And actualizing this has crippled me into sweet humility. Eventually, the world responded in a way that... Whether someone doubts it or not- I can say, I know(for my self, to an extent) what is happening(as it pertains to observing and interacting with that intelligence).

And I know, there is much I do not know. Heh. I mean, you can not know everything. Maybe you can. But I think the fact that our hearing is only capable of perceiving in a certain range is a good indication of our limited senses. But the way you write makes me think you may consider a life not solely defined by the physical senses alone. If you believe in reincarnation, this implies Life after Life... So not just a physical body? The beautiful relationship with that Loving God is Alive- and in all ways guiding.

Choice is a gift, of course there are realities outside of our control- but you have every freedom to Rise with Love if you choose.

Likewise to you Henrik, all the best.
 
Good morning 🙂

Spoken with authority, from Thomas the doubter!

🤭😋 I'm just teasing.

I hope others are able to chime in and share what they consider convincing evidence of reincarnation- I am open!

The link you shared with me doesn't work, but if you have music to share I'd love to hear it.
 
Or do you use youtube or apple music? or Tidal ?
The search there for e.g. "Beach Song Moonday" or "SHHY!!! Moonday - What works for you? :)
 
Hi Henrik, very cool. :) Youtube works well for me. That's a young crowd you got there ~ And for whatever reason, the link works now. I especially liked redneck boogie. 🎸 Nice to put a face to the name ~
 
I compare the process of reincarnation with attending various classes in a schooling institution.

Each incarnation is a class, with a well defined curriculum. You are fully immersed in the class, so you don't think of, or recall who you are outside that class. You don't think of your attending other classes, nor your being outside that school.

In this analogy, looking for proof of reincarnation, would mean proof that you know things you weren't taught in the class you're currently immersed in.

It is like attending a class about cooking, and encountering a quote in Latin, translated or not. If that quote brings into your mind connections from outside the class material, that might be proof you attended another class. If the quote isn't translated, but you understand its meaning, might be proof too. If you struggle with the Latin quote translation and meaning, that might be proof that you didn't pay enough attention in the Latin class.

It is like having a problem in your current life, caused by something from another incarnation of yours.

Realizing that you didn't pay attention in your Latin class won't make you understand the Latin quote, but it will teach you that you have to pay attention and learn from your current class (incarnation), or you'll have future problems in this class, other classes, ... (incarnations).

How would this analogy extend to getting proof of reincarnation in this life?

It would mean to realize that you know things, have skills that weren't acquired in this life, like some aptitudes, inclinations, degree of sophistication in responding to your perceptions.

It may be challenging to discriminate genuine proof from imagination, beliefs, wishful thinking.


###These are AI comments on my analogy:
https://chatgpt.com/share/683f4d7d-d280-8006-9475-81658492b3be
https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg==_3d260fa0-b2a8-431d-8db1-554705a947ee
 
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The discrepancies between a past life recollection and historical evidence can be explained similarly to how people recall differently the same experience they took part in or memories they share, also to how it is possible that multiple people recall a past life of the same historical personality.

It is a matter of what reality is.
 
Hi Baro-san, Thanks for giving your feedback and giving me some new understanding to the question...
"What is the most convincing verification of past lives you have seen?"

I asked the ChatGPT using the link you've provided how your perspective compares to the Urantia Books cosmology... The UB interest me in that, it gives ideas that I think might be true. Like being born again, in another reality, continuing to grow in understanding by way of experiential wisdom.

I'll just share the summarized version:

Summary:​


The Urantia Book cosmology supports your perspective by framing human life as part of a grand, progressive learning journey. While the book does not directly endorse reincarnation in the same sense as some Eastern traditions, it emphasizes spiritual growth, continuity of soul experiences, and the importance of learning from one's experiences. Like your analogy, the soul is on a journey of education, moving through various stages and gaining wisdom over time. Proof of past lives or accumulated wisdom, as discussed in the Urantia Book, isn't based on memory or direct recall but is evident through growth in character, spiritual maturity, and the ability to confront life’s challenges with greater insight and love.

^ The bold part, I think is probably the most convincing verification I've seen. There are many examples of old souls whose behavior exemplifies true understanding of something. And I do not believe earth is the only place one might be reincarnated. But that a good indicator of what might be reincarnation, or the continuation of a soul, is the maturity found in young people who have not yet acquired much earthly experience. When I think of people like Paramahansa Yogananda, it's easy to consider, simply by his way of being- how he may have lived a life before that incarnation.
 
baro-san said:
I compare the process of reincarnation with attending various classes in a schooling institution.

Each incarnation is a class, with a well defined curriculum. You are fully immersed in the class, so you don't think of, or recall who you are outside that class. You don't think of your attending other classes, nor your being outside that school.

In this analogy, looking for proof of reincarnation, would mean proof that you know things you weren't taught in the class you're currently immersed in.

It is like attending a class about cooking, and encountering a quote in Latin, translated or not. If that quote brings into your mind connections from outside the class material, that might be proof you attended another class. If the quote isn't translated, but you understand its meaning, might be proof too. If you struggle with the Latin quote translation and meaning, that might be proof that you didn't pay enough attention in the Latin class.

It is like having a problem in your current life, caused by something from another incarnation of yours.

Realizing that you didn't pay attention in your Latin class won't make you understand the Latin quote, but it will teach you that you have to pay attention and learn from your current class (incarnation), or you'll have future problems in this class, other classes, ... (incarnations).

How would this analogy extend to getting proof of reincarnation in this life?

It would mean to realize that you know things, have skills that weren't acquired in this life, like some aptitudes, inclinations, degree of sophistication in responding to your perceptions.

It may be challenging to discriminate genuine proof from imagination, beliefs, wishful thinking.


###These are AI comments on my analogy:
https://chatgpt.com/share/683f4d7d-d280-8006-9475-81658492b3be
https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg==_3d260fa0-b2a8-431d-8db1-554705a947ee
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That is a nice TEORETICAL FRAMEWORK to think about reincarnation.
I am interested in any convincing VERIFIED evidence of reincarnation you can refer to.

I had many past live experiences - very real (e.g. feeling of having another size body, another sex, flowing free in space before I let be be "trapped" in bodies) - but NONE that could be verified. To long time ago etc. - No records. BUT one time expereincing being hung by British after the Boston Tea party - having a small not beautifull - but strong and healthy 19 year old body (being in love, ad to loose that) - I said to my self "Get my name so it could be checked in a church book. etc. But I at once got as scared as I ever been - Like "If you do this this is the point of NO return" - so I didnt dare - Strange. However, this kind of "close but no cigar" is reported in the litterature e.g. by Stanislav Grof in "The Cosmic Game"- Maybe because it "ruins the (cosmic) game?
 
cloud potato said:
Hi Henrik, very cool. :) Youtube works well for me. That's a young crowd you got there ~ And for whatever reason, the link works now. I especially liked redneck boogie. 🎸 Nice to put a face to the name ~
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You find lyrics at www.moonday.dk (music tab)


I made "Red Neck boggie" firt time Trump was selected... Trying to understand the motivation of Trump voters - but I am by far sure in succeeeding in that...

Any comments?

Hm one day I must gather all our around 70 songs in a YOUTUBE site/group/channel :)
 
Henrik Raun said:
Hi - I just started here - I saw Peter Ramsters "Reincarnation experiments" from 1983 - The best verification of past lifes I have seen.
1. Have you seen the video?
2. If so - what do you think of it?
3. What is the most convincing verification of past lives you have seen?


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Hi Henrik,
I certainly enjoyed watching the video that you recommended. I hadn't seen it before.
One of my favorites is the Jenny Cockell story. A lady who went back to Ireland to check on her still-living children from a former life.

Personally, these days I am not focused on the verification of former lives, although I do enjoy the work that others do in this field.
I've experienced seeing bits and pieces of former lives under self-hypnosis. The most convincing 'verification' was when I saw unexpected details that, after some research, were likely not impossible. Not real verification in a scientific sense, I do admit.

I just pop up in this thread and to introduce myself: I am more from a mystical approach, but still a skeptic now and then. Soul and brain working together to figure out how it all works.
 
cloud potato said:
Hi Henrik,

I've not seen other accounts that were convincing. Personally, I've only read a few stories or have had personal experiences that would open me up to greater ideas about the nature of reality I had not considered before.

Welcome to the forums! Have you any personal experiences you'd like to share? I'm curious, what is an agnostic mystic? Henrik is a nice sounding name, hope we can learn more about you~
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I found this very convincing video - if not fraud - then this IS convincing - A child remembers a past life as a pilot killed in combat 1945 - The boy's parents are Christians - not believing in reincarnation - they check up on the info from him - and it makes sense.

 
Thank you for mentioning this. I believe Jesus came to loosen the grip of dogma and tradition, instead focusing the relationship on the Living Spirit. So, that this young man was born into a christian family, who had crystalized their beliefs, only for those beliefs to be shaken- seems very fitting and true to the nature of that Living and Guiding Spirit.

I believe it rare to be born on Earth again, but not impossible. 🙂

I also believe, that one might receive visions and impressions from another life- with factual data, that they may feel the fears, pleasures, loves or pain from these visions- and still that life was not their own past life but communion with something greater than themselves.
 
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Henrik Raun said:
I found this very convincing video - if not fraud - then this IS convincing - A child remembers a past life as a pilot killed in combat 1945 - The boy's parents are Christians - not believing in reincarnation - they check up on the info from him - and it makes sense.

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This young boy has worked through this discovery beautifully in learning the truth about who he once was or might’ve been. He did pick the right parents.
 
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I agree with you Tanoochi. I just got home to watch the video. What a tear-jerker... I feel like I can relate to that emotion he had on the boat. And his parents were so loving to carry him through all the way, and help him begin anew. Wow.
 
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