Why do people reincarnate into God forsaken countries

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  1. jobrick

    jobrick New Member

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    This is my first post.......

    You would reckon one life time in North Korean would be enough

    for anyone but the population keeps on increasing.. Why ............ jobrick
     
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  2. There and back again

    There and back again Senior Member

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    To partly answer is that there are more than enough souls in creation as well some souls living multiple lives, as for nations that is a rough one for I do find myself being unhappy but the reasons for souls choosing such can be vast.
     
  3. Pastrunr

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    That's also one of the things I find myself very curious about, one thing I'm sure is that we are very very far from the truth as of now that I'm not even sure if there will come a time that we will have a grasp understanding of how reincarnation exactly works and if it works to all people that lived and died or there are certain conditions to be reincarnated, etc.
     
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    Well, one could ask: why did souls incarnate an masse into the Roman Empire, which was basically such a brutal and sadistic regime? Or the same about the Soviet Union, especially under Stalin, as provoced abortion was the rule, but there were still live births - by women who manged to hide their pregnancy and insisted on being mothers, despite the hard conditions and the sentences they would face for giving live births. Or even the Republic of China today; an inhuman, totally culture hating regime. Why do souls incarnate into what the rest of us concider being societies of hell on earth?

    I dont know for sure, but I would suggest its to be able to live a human life under inhuman conditions. To be able to work out change under horrific political conditions. To bring the humanity in, where humanity does not exist anymore. To bring God in, where God has been driven away by hypocrites, murderers, perverts and the sadists in powerful positions - like Jesus Christ did, as he incarnated in Betlehem, which was a part of judaism, but also a province of the terrible Roman Empire.

    And as you all know; Jesus, won over the regime. Because neither the jewish kings, nor the pharisees nor the Romans could bring him down. Even not by torturing and killing him.

    So I think it basically shows the purpos of incarnation into the hellish conditions. To bring God in. And that makes the whole difference between living in hell and living on earth.

    The possibility of life on earth requires love, and it works out love. If there exist no love in a hellish society, there will be no incarnation of souls either. But the love of God lives among the human being, and God wants to bring his love into the hellish conditions, to bring change and peace and holiness to all of humanity. And this is the reason for life on earth; to bring in Gods love and light up the whole universe by it.
     
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  5. whitewitch

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    Because the soul chooses to. Maybe to learn a lesson , pay a karmic debt or a soul mission.
     
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    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    What's the exact problem? North Korea? Or any country that is not based on Christianity?
     
  7. Polaris8

    Polaris8 Senior Registered

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    Jobrick,

    It takes far more than one lifetime to gain spiritual maturity and enlightenment. The best way I can describe this is in my opinion is from the causal or soul plane which is beyond time, space and matter soul views the lower dimension's including our physical 3rd dimension as a giant training ground or school for soul to gain, spiritual maturity and experience's. Each lifetime we live is added to our soul essence as we grow and mature as an eternal spark of consciousness from god.

    So you are as soul older than the universe in which you live in.

    P.
     
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  8. Klaud

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    For the learning experience, I assume.

    Earth isn't exactly an easy place to live these days. I often wonder why I chose America again, but then I think of how much I'm learning on a soul level, despite all the chaos that's happening.
     
  9. Cat1965

    Cat1965 Time flies by with such wickedness..

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    its all random....you dont get to pick. I feel that is your ego thinking you can...why would you? I mean really guys. Why would i pick to be betrayed and murdered by the man i loved in one life ? Be part of a royal family in another? Be some ugly loser in another? A gorgeous vixen in another? Maybe we experience the full realm and every possibility?
     
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    Polaris8 Senior Registered

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    Cat,

    Yes, in my opinion, we do pick these experience but on a soul level of consciousness which is above time, space, matter and duality not from a human state of consciousness which deals with the lower ego and the mind which is limited. It is also not random but is determined by ones karma that we have created for ourselves from other lifetimes lived. So if we are mature enough as soul we take part of the planning involved, however if we are not evolved enough yet there are older more advanced souls that take charge in the planning out of new incarnation in our behave. So it's part of balancing out the karmic debit we have created while challenging ourselves from a soul level so that we may grow and mature as spiritual beings.

    However, in my opinion, you are spot in that we need to experience the full realm of every possibility that is available to us while in the lower worlds of duality. As its all part of our spiritual education. We spend most of our time in the higher dimensions in-between incarnations. Only taking small dips of time in the lower worlds of duality to have experience here in the physical universe.

    Love and peace.

    P.
     
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  11. Dave M

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    Possibly the reason why you Reincarnate into the same country is one you haven't considered yet. Maybe there is unfinished business with one or more souls. You could also be sending yourself back to the same place/country due to not daring or wanting to change locations. I think only a psychic or intuitive would be able to answer the question. You need more details, I think.
     
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    I agree with this "soul mission" thing ... the reason why souls reincarnate in unfavorable places, events, etc.
     
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    We reincarnate into the physical dimension for various reasons. Depending upon the nature of our personal karma from the past, the stage of spiritual development we are at in the present and how we can challenge ourselves as soul to grow, mature and unfold. It is my opinion that the reason why we choose on a soul level to be born in areas of the world at this stage of earths global development where it would be ( for lack of a better term) less than desirable place to live is two fold.

    One of course is our karmic actions placed us there even though we might not remember the original source of the action from the PL. And secondly to change not only ourselves inwardly on a personal level but also to change the group state of consciousness of the culture, town or nation we are in to evolve into a higher level of spiritual awareness thereby raising mankind's spiritual development on a global level.

    Believe it or not if a soul is of a late young, mature or old soul level of spiritual development it will choose these unlikely places to physically manifest so that the course of their actions of just being here changes everything and everyone they come into contact with. One has heard the old saying a diamond in the rough. This is a situation where a person or the soul if you will whose goodness or other positive qualities are hidden by a harsh or unremarkable surface appearance of their outer world. This shapes and polishes the soul from the inside out transforming not only the individual but all whom they come into contact with. This causes a chain reaction on a soul group level be it a family, community, town or even nations.

    This is why we come here into the physical world as it is a spiritual school and training ground for the soul.

    Love and peace always.

    P.
     
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    I asked this of myself too. I wondered why other people were born with nothing and others with abundance in life...
     
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    No offense, Sir, but I bet you're an American. Life everywhere can be hell-ish. Life everywhere can be fulfilling. I don't really think you can actively choose your next life. Everything we've been through, both now and then, shapes us as people. The world can be a cruel place, with people in power abusing those underneath. Your memories should be a good reminder of that, and also a reminder that perhaps even your own country could be called "God-forsaken" by some...
     
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  16. Oscar FRYE

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    Interesting comments.

    We either live in a place or planet where there is order or none, there is no in between.
    I say there is order, so on God's planet, there is order all over, as if it were God's house, He 'manages' all his rooms.
    We must see through the physical setting, that provides the environment for our human experiences.
    If we are recommended to go to a place where there is a lot of suffering, there will be good reasons for it.
    You can also experience true hell in any other place in the world, if that so needs to be.
    Theoretically, one could be in hellish circumstances, and transcend it all, if one has such high capacities.
    Extreme situations can bring out our best spiritual responses, something our routine life doesn't really do.
    But, basically I believe that we are there where we need to be, where there is some important business for us to take care of.
    The only thing that can be harvested at the in one's life is greater awareness and increased consciousness, nothing else can be taken along.
    So it's all experience to help us grow, even the most difficult experiences can only touch you physically on this planet, our soul stays out of trouble.
    By living trough a tremendous ordeal, one pays for much negative karma, something that would have taken many more lives otherwise. This is the reason why souls are actually 'standing in line' to reincarnate with a serious disability or handicap. This is something I recently read, I have no personal experience.

    Best regard to all.
     
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    That's a somewhat isolationist or introspective viewpoint. There are others. Much of the time we interact with our surroundings, including both the living and inanimate. Some say what matters is how much happiness or love or support we give. Or beauty and harmony which we may add to the world. Not what we take with us but what was given by us. Sometimes it is expressed simply, in few words: the love we share.
     
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    Hi Speedwell,
    Thanks for your comment, I agree with you, it's perhaps the way I see 'consciousness'. Greater awareness and subsequently increased consciousness, encompasses all of what you mentioned, in my opinion. The quality of our interactions with our environment, including both animate and inanimate, is a reflection of our level of consciousness. The quality of your actions, thoughts, and words for others also shows our level of consciousness. All beauty we could create in life, is taken with us, fused with or added to our soul identity, because it is of higher, subtle nature, and helps to fine tune our soul's level of vibration. I see it all as our level of consciousness.
     
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    Perhaps to reincarnate with a soul family that you love. Perhaps to pay off a karmic debt (but nobody should ever blame the victims for their suffering). Maybe some people want to choose a tougher life because they feel that the suffering will make them closer to learning karmic lessons or reach the concept of nirvana faster. Maybe they dont want another soul to encounter that so they sacrifice themselves. Maybe they actually like living in certain parts of the world. Maybe they do not like our way of living. Maybe every person thinks their culture is the best. Who knows. What we should be asking is how do we help others?
     
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    CAT1965, I understand where you are coming from. At first I thought the same thing when I was younger. However when we chose these difference life themes before incarnating we do so from a soul state of consciousness not from the human ego which is limited. From this higher state of awareness we see and know all of our past lives we have lived and experienced in the lower worlds of duality. This not only include the physical plane but also the astral and mental worlds which are apart of the psychic worlds of spirit. They too have cycles of reincarnation within them between lifetimes here but that another story. So from a cosmic consciousness perspective we see and know what would be the best choses in terms of what physical incarnation would best suit our spiritual growth while burning off karmic debit from past lifetimes. If we are not sure which one to pick there are older souls that helps and aid in this process. Because once we commit its hard to withdraw the decision because there are many other souls evolved in the process of that lifetime not just you.

    So there will be lifetimes that from a human perspective we would never chose because on the surface they seem to challenging from a linear point of view in terms of time here. But on a soul level we see a much bigger picture and understand that what we go thru here if extremely brief and fleeting in terms of time scale. Because soul itself is above time as we know it. And that the experience overall will aid on our souls evolution from the inside out. For you see we must experience all that there is in terms of human conditions in order to reach enlighten on a spiritual level. When we do then the cycle of birth and death is finished here. Where we go after we are done here is part of our free well as soul and what we have learned while here.

    I hope this helps some in understand process of reincarnation.

    Love and peace.

    P.
     
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    1) An Extreme Collectivist and Authoritarian Experience.

    2) The regime you live under doesn't dictate how happy your life will be. A country and people are inifintely more vast than what you see on the news.

    3) You won't feel the same about things when you are dead. A lot of the nunance of good and bad in the details will be lost. Not the big things, hurt, love, joy, pain, suffering etc. But who is leading who and what they think of this or that, how they dressed or acted won't count for much in the long run. Think of your memories now and what you remember, how many details are no longer there. Although it has been said to me memories are archived, I find it a good indicator of how we lose the less important details overtime.

    4) Alternative as someone said, maybe the love of your last life was incarnating there and you've decided to go with them, or the friend you could always count on.

    People saying ego isn't soul, everything is soul. Solo, Singular. Sure I won't care about past betrayls or how I felt about a person in this lifetime near as much, but the big choices and distinctions, they will still exist. The things which pressed on the ego or elevated the ego the most. Spirits visit us because the big things still matter to them. That's the point, the focus, what we take with us etc. Also there is a certain randomness to many incarnations, nobody knows what's going to happen exactly which can lead to widely diverging lifepaths from the intent. Also it can lead to a feeling of being trapped or helpless for the same reason, or overjoyed and blessed.

    Finally I live as far away from North Korea as possible and I'll still be taking as long a break as I can after this lifetime. Which is why I want a long life this time around, although I faulter on that at times I still push for life. I've had very long breaks before between lives so I can with some certainty tell you that its possible.
     
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    Interesting how this comment has been ignored for so long, pretty annoying the direction some things go while more obvious points are ignored in favor of what is socially common or socially acceptable is permanently center stage.
     

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