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Covid19 Thread 1 (The Elephant in the Room)

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The day this thread started was my last day of vacation in Mexico, where I was on a busy rooftop bar and then down in the pedestrian street crunched among spectators of the parade followed by walking and dining in the center tourist plaza. Then hugging people goodbye. Latin America was slower to be affected, and compared with what I faced coming home to the western US, they (we) were in peaceful bliss. How quickly things changed.

Before vacation I’d quit my job and sold my house, so I came home and had to move the next day. Even that day, a few friends came over to send me off, now without hugs. Now I’m holed up in a new place and I’m okay. For me everything happened just in time - the vacation, the house sale, the change of employment (I decided to be self employed after taking a break for a while). It’s not the new beginning I’d planned, but still I have rather privileged vantage point, which I’m thankful for every day. And seeing how pollution has decreased sometimes I guess I’m hopeful that the crisis happened just in time for the planet too, to try to look at the positive.

Do you ever wonder why we reincarnate *when* we do - that it may be to work out things in existence in general, or with certain significant others, but also en masse? I have never experienced a truly world wide event on this level. I think that is part of why I’ve been fascinated by world wars in particular. I think about what it would have been like to be in what is undoubtedly a world-wide situation that is unfolding every day. To be afraid of what destruction might come down on your town or region every day. To be told to grow a garden because your country might not have enough food to sell you, or to bring in all your metal to be recycled into bullets or whathaveyou. To have this common enemy (I guess whichever side you were on, you shared an enemy).

I’m not trying to make assumptions, because I know there’s no agreement on the why and the how of reincarnation, but I for one feel that this crisis is a big part of why I came back to have a life now. There is a particular feeling to participating in this worldwide situation right now. I’m sort of dazed with awe daily that this is happening and I feel like there’s merit in the unification. (Again, I know, with a lot of differences in individual experience.)
 
So those who read my last post in this thread will know I was looking for masks to have ‘just in case’ considering it will soon be winter here in the Southern Hemisphere. I think now, I see more and more people wearing them, just for protection. I did find some pretty funky ones that double as head bands and hair ties, but these ones I doubt I would be able to wear to work, because they have designs on them.

I had thought about phoning a doctors surgery and asking them for a few, because well... I’m really kind of desperate. But there is something that disturbs me with the whole idea of wearing a mask and I’d like people’s thoughts...

- People say that the mask would be useless because you’re using your bare hands to adjust it on your face all the time. I think if you had one where you took away that need to touch your face it would be fine.

- How would you feel if you walked into a grocery store and saw the cashier gloved up and with a mask? I already wear gloves and change them regularly, but I don’t know... :confused: People where I live are feral sometimes hence my consideration of wearing one.

- Is it an overreaction to make this consideration while everyone else isn’t wearing one? I got laughed at one day because while we were still packing people’s bags, I wore an apron because I didn’t want germs to get on my clothes, then I touch my clothes with my hands and then forget and touch my face. I wasn’t being silly, I was being smart.

Being a essential worker opens me up to a lot more possibility of the germs that contain the virus, and all I want to do is protect myself so I can do my work safely. (Before you ask, yes I know the employer should supply us with these, but at the moment it’s still ‘optional’ for them to provide us with masks. However they provide us with gloves.. and other such things as sanitisers etc..)

Eva x
 
In our local supermarket all the workers are wearing masks now. It's like you enter a hospital. They also have one cash desk only for elderly and markings on the floor so that people keep their distance. At the entrance, there are tissues with desinfection.
Masks are almost useless for self-protection, they rather protect others because they filter the air you are breathing out (a bit, at least). For that purpose, even a shawl would do.
Maybe talk to your colleagues and maybe even to your Boss. It would look less odd when everyone wears a mask.
 
Hi Eva,

It is just a matter of time. I can tell you that as things get worse, you are going to see more and more of your customers wearing masks, bandanas, or otherwise coming up with a solution. The same will be true of your co-workers. It started out that way here, with no one doing anything. It is still that way in my little local country "Dollar Store". However, I don't have to go any farther than the major chain grocery store in the more populated area 30 minutes from my house to find a sprinkling of masks. They seem to be increasing all the time. In the next couple of weeks I expect to see them popping up all over the place. The more the death toll rises, the more you will see. You might as well be ahead of the curve.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I can see from Seekers last post that Germany is farther ahead on the same curve than the folks are around where I live, but you can be sure that as the death toll rises people are going to find a way to help secure their own health (and by doing so to help secure everyone else's health as well).
 
Eva1942 said:
So those who read my last post in this thread will know I was looking for masks to have ‘just in case’ considering it will soon be winter here in the Southern Hemisphere. I think now, I see more and more people wearing them, just for protection. I did find some pretty funky ones that double as head bands and hair ties, but these ones I doubt I would be able to wear to work, because they have designs on them.

I had thought about phoning a doctors surgery and asking them for a few, because well... I’m really kind of desperate. But there is something that disturbs me with the whole idea of wearing a mask and I’d like people’s thoughts...

- People say that the mask would be useless because you’re using your bare hands to adjust it on your face all the time. I think if you had one where you took away that need to touch your face it would be fine.

- How would you feel if you walked into a grocery store and saw the cashier gloved up and with a mask? I already wear gloves and change them regularly, but I don’t know... :confused: People where I live are feral sometimes hence my consideration of wearing one.

- Is it an overreaction to make this consideration while everyone else isn’t wearing one? I got laughed at one day because while we were still packing people’s bags, I wore an apron because I didn’t want germs to get on my clothes, then I touch my clothes with my hands and then forget and touch my face. I wasn’t being silly, I was being smart.

Being a essential worker opens me up to a lot more possibility of the germs that contain the virus, and all I want to do is protect myself so I can do my work safely. (Before you ask, yes I know the employer should supply us with these, but at the moment it’s still ‘optional’ for them to provide us with masks. However they provide us with gloves.. and other such things as sanitisers etc..)

Eva x
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Get a real mask and not the dinky crap are buying, the only catch is that the filters are expensive but they last so much longer. Look around for military surplus that being 40mm nato masks and when buying filters get a bit picky to not overpay. What I ended up buying is overkill even for chemical warfare but they were on the CDC approved equipment list and did see people using the same 3M filters recently so they do work well. Those Soviet masks now those are creepy and send "vibes" big time like the infamous monkey mask.
 
I just checked the rate of infection in Australia is still slowing .. It's interesting people in there 20's here are the biggest proportion of confirmed cases The given reason for that is they were the biggest age group to return to Australia from overseas after the virus started... All overseas visitors are banned and further strict social distancing has also been announced last night that no more than two people can be together outside of there homes.. and must be at least two 1.5 meters apart ..All playgrounds in Australia were closed last night after images of them being packed with people over the past couple of days
Things with other restrictions brings to an end all out door activities expect for two people walking, running together All of the streets in all of the capitol cities are effectively empty You are only allowed out of your home for essential shopping going to a chemist or to work..So things are very tough here... I have looking around at vaccines.. how long it will take.?.. up to date research is showing that the coronavirus mutates very slowly and when they find a vaccine and produce it we will only need a booster every five or six years or so.. that is good news as they said something similar to measles and chicken pox with children
As it appears and I hope it continuities that the infection rate keeps dropping in Australia and may flatten at zero a very big problem arises At what point to do we open up our borders again and the possibilities of re introducing the virus? We cannot stay isolated for ever It's possible it will be many months even a year or more before will allow people in from countries such as Italy, France . America and so on unless they are quarantined for 14 days which would restrict those who want to come here which will continue to have big impacts on our economy The second wave in all countries will happen with infections coming in from other countries.. There is no evidence at this point that suggests the virus will be less infectious in the summer months.. As they say just because some other virus's do it does not mean this virus will It's never winter in the true sense of winter in Northern Australia but the rate of flue infections still happens
There is going to be plenty of analyzing going on once this is under control .. Why did some countries have such big numbers and others didn't?.. there will be plenty of blame going around
 
John Tat said:
I just checked the rate of infection in Australia is still slowing .. It's interesting people in there 20's here are the biggest proportion of confirmed cases The given reason for that is they were the biggest age group to return to Australia from overseas after the virus started... All overseas visitors are banned and further strict social distancing has also been announced last night that no more than two people can be together outside of there homes.. and must be at least two 1.5 meters apart ..All playgrounds in Australia were closed last night after images of them being packed with people over the past couple of days
Things with other restrictions brings to an end all out door activities expect for two people walking, running together All of the streets in all of the capitol cities are effectively empty You are only allowed out of your home for essential shopping going to a chemist or to work..So things are very tough here... I have looking around at vaccines.. how long it will take.?.. up to date research is showing that the coronavirus mutates very slowly and when they find a vaccine and produce it we will only need a booster every five or six years or so.. that is good news as they said something similar to measles and chicken pox with children
As it appears and I hope it continuities that the infection rate keeps dropping in Australia and may flatten at zero a very big problem arises At what point to do we open up our borders again and the possibilities of re introducing the virus? We cannot stay isolated for ever It's possible it will be many months even a year or more before will allow people in from countries such as Italy, France . America and so on unless they are quarantined for 14 days which would restrict those who want to come here which will continue to have big impacts on our economy The second wave in all countries will happen with infections coming in from other countries.. There is no evidence at this point that suggests the virus will be less infectious in the summer months.. As they say just because some other virus's do it does not mean this virus will It's never winter in the true sense of winter in Northern Australia but the rate of flue infections still happens
There is going to be plenty of analyzing going on once this is under control .. Why did some countries have such big numbers and others didn't?.. there will be plenty of blame going around
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1.5 meters is not enough in enclosed spaces.

 
Things are looking very grim in the U.S., though the disease has not peaked yet. Some fairly serious voices are now predicting a possible 100-200K deaths before this thing is over. Not only is that number objectively large and horrible, it may even exceed WWI deaths for the U.S.:

"American losses in World War I were modest compared to those of other belligerents, with 116,516 deaths and approximately 320,000 sick and wounded of the 4.7 million men who served. The USA lost more personnel to disease (63,114) than to combat (53,402), largely due to the influenza epidemic of 1918."

I still can't believe it myself. Despite the news, things just seem so, well . . . normal where I am. There is no scent of burning or bombs in the air, no shambling zombies, no miscreants with firearms, just sunny days and warm almost summer-like weather. No rain, blue skies, and beautiful spring/early summer foliage. It just doesn't seem possible, but if true, I would say that I am at the very first of the stages of grief--disbelief/denial. I hope it is not true and that the world as well as me don't have to go through the other four.

S&S
 
Hi S&S Very sorry to hear about how all of this is effecting you... are your feelings of grief disbelief/denial centered around your country the world or the potential lose of your lifestyle?.. most likely all three
This is a real test of who we are and what we are as individuals let alone the bigger picture.. ... when will it be over? no one knows
Some governments will be held accountable to there people It's now emerging that early testing could have saved thousands of lives Germany has had 63,000 confirmed cases but only 560 deaths from the virus They are 4th behind the UAE, Korea,Australia for the most testing of there populations All four countries have very low death rates The governments who failed there citizens must be held accountable When its all over there citizens must hold them accountable because the proof will be there to show there failings ... they will never acknowledge there failings that cost thousands of lives... there citizens must do it

All The Best
 
Today, April and I were in Walmart, looking for a replacement HDMI cable. At the checkout, there was an elderly lady struggling with picking up her bags of groceries. I nudged April and we both loaded and carried out her groceries to the car.
While talking with the lady, we found out she lives a block away from us and she was scared to go grocery shopping because of COVID 19. So, we helped her unload her groceries at home.
April and I volunteered to go with her to go shopping if she needs anything. She was so grateful for the help!
It hit me that this hell virus has more to it than illness. It's scared people into pure terror.
So I ask you wonderful people one thing: don't be afraid to lend help if you see a need for it. If you are healthy, your gesture can reassure those and tell them it's okay.
-Grel
 
Great story, but we can't repeat the same in my country. We're supposed not to come in contact with elderly people and it's forbidden to be together with more than three people in public (and four at home).
In supermarkets, we're supposed to keep a distance of 1.5 meters and we are not allowed to go shopping in pairs.

What happens is that people go shopping for elderly people (without them). A lot of supermarkets also deliver at home.
 
I wish that people would be more resilient and level headed as this is not going away in convenient time and for some nations things are only just getting started. In the states alone they are expecting at the low end 39,000 deaths all the way up to 200,000 before it is all done which is a tsunami off loss. For some souls this isn't the first time and one of the lessons was staying strong if not for oneself it was for others.
 
Grel, that was a really nice thing you did for that lady who was scared of going shopping. I'm wondering if it might help her even more if you went to do her shopping without her, so she didn't have to go out? And then you could just leave the shopping outside her door so that you didn't risk infecting her in case you were carrying the virus without knowing? That way she stays safe. Is it worth asking her if she might prefer that?

I have kind neighbours who do my shopping as I'm in isolation alone. I'm not taking any chances as I'm at risk, so they go to the shops and leave a bag outside my door, so I'm never near them at all. For me at least, that gives peace of mind. Hope this is useful, but in any case, well done for thinking of others at this time! Small things make a big difference.
 
In news today from my corner of the world, our entire Airport has shut down, flights grounded and some diverted back to their origin because some baggage handlers have tested positive for the virus. So we literally at the moment are locked in. Also, they are asking for people who have departed or arrived back in the last few days to clean and disinfect their luggage.

In my work, I’m fed up with people. Social distancing is not a joke, it’s serious, but people don’t understand that. They think that just because they know they don’t get sick each winter doesn’t mean to say someone else won’t. I made a conscious decision to stop wearing gloves because of the health risk is greater than not wearing gloves. I lost track of how many times I sanitised my hands. I even had a lady abuse me for not wearing them! :confused: And don’t get me started on the co-worker who I watched for 2.5 hours wear gloves and didn’t even sanitise them once! (Well not from what I saw.. :confused: )

I don’t understand people who wear gloves and masks. Like it’s okay if you’re sick, but after reading a few medical articles, knowing that they are putting those ‘germs’ everywhere (I think our store is in the cleanest in terms of sanitising atm) is quite frightening. To wear a mask you need to keep adjusting it on your face, which means you’re touching your face with your dirty hands. And people who lick their fingers to get money out of their wallet or purse or to open a plastic bag?! :mad:

The more people stop being dicks about this the quicker we can all return to life as we know it.

Anyone else feel that some of their friends have changed since this whole virus thing started? I have a few like that...

Eva x

Ps. I watched a video on how they actually test for the virus in the US. Turns out COVID-19 has RNA mollicules that are multiply rapidly and glow almost neon when tested positive for the virus. I’ll try find it again if others are interested.
 
Eva, it's really unfair that workers like you are having a hard time. I really don't understand people who don't take hygiene seriously and think it's fine for them to be self-centred. They should be thanking you for keeping places open, at risk to yourselves.

As for 'friends' ... I think you find out who your real friends are in situations like this.
 
Americans may be wondering why things are so bad there.. The following may give a clue ..Back on March 14th Ashish Jha director of the Harvard Global Health institute said the following about early testing
in the US this is important because as I said its emerging that early testings has and could have saved thousands of lives
The United States response to testing has been much much worse than almost any other country that's been effected ...He said .. stunning "fiasco" and mind blowing to describe the situation
It's all very well for governments to make all sorts of claims about what they are doing but what they did not do is costing thousands of lives
 
Soooooo..... I went to hand in a prescription today. I went to a particular pharmacy because I liked the people.. but today has made me never to go back, as I left feeling angry and offended :mad: (I’m not complaining, I’m just expressing how I feel about this...)

Picture this....

I walk into the pharmacy, and the woman behind the counter (and about 50mm thick plexiglass) holds out a plastic tray for me to put my script in. Fair enough, you don’t know what people have been touching. I accept that just like I accept the markings on the floor, because ‘hey I work in a supermarket/grocery store, I know how feral people can be’. I proceeded to wait inside a considerable distance away.

Then another worker comes up to me AFTER I’d been walking around for about 5 minutes. I told her I was waiting for a script. Then she goes “do you mind waiting outside and I’ll call you when it’s ready?” Like, did she not realise that I’m partially deaf in one ear and that the car park that backs onto the front of the store backs onto a main road? :confused:

So I’m standing outside at the entrance, while others are walking past me (with no social distancing) and then guess what happens? The pharmacist comes to the door to tell me it’s ready and then allows me to come inside to pay! Wouldn’t it have just been easier to leave me alone? I was so angry and offended because if they wanted me to wait outside why didn’t the lady who took my script ask me to do so? Why did they wait to tell me? If they had to told me when I handed the script in I would have been fine with that...

I don’t understand how people and businesses think that plexiglass, masks and gloves are going to stop them from getting the virus? Everywhere I go now, its plexiglass everywhere or someone is wearing a mask or gloves. That is just asking for the virus to breed because it stays on plastic a lot longer than people think. If you have someone cough on a plexiglass shield and think that it protects you, then they’re wrong.

Why can’t people understand that social distancing and GOOD hand hygiene is CRITICAL to whether you get it or not? Why are people literally asking the virus to breed on these surfaces? It does more harm than good.. and most importantly WHY are people depleting stocks that doctors and nurses NEED?!

Ugh, I must be getting old! :p
Eva x
 
Eva1942 said:
Soooooo..... I went to hand in a prescription today. I went to a particular pharmacy because I liked the people.. but today has made me never to go back, as I left feeling angry and offended :mad: (I’m not complaining, I’m just expressing how I feel about this...)

Picture this....

I walk into the pharmacy, and the woman behind the counter (and about 50mm thick plexiglass) holds out a plastic tray for me to put my script in. Fair enough, you don’t know what people have been touching. I accept that just like I accept the markings on the floor, because ‘hey I work in a supermarket/grocery store, I know how feral people can be’. I proceeded to wait inside a considerable distance away.

Then another worker comes up to me AFTER I’d been walking around for about 5 minutes. I told her I was waiting for a script. Then she goes “do you mind waiting outside and I’ll call you when it’s ready?” Like, did she not realise that I’m partially deaf in one ear and that the car park that backs onto the front of the store backs onto a main road? :confused:

So I’m standing outside at the entrance, while others are walking past me (with no social distancing) and then guess what happens? The pharmacist comes to the door to tell me it’s ready and then allows me to come inside to pay! Wouldn’t it have just been easier to leave me alone? I was so angry and offended because if they wanted me to wait outside why didn’t the lady who took my script ask me to do so? Why did they wait to tell me? If they had to told me when I handed the script in I would have been fine with that...

I don’t understand how people and businesses think that plexiglass, masks and gloves are going to stop them from getting the virus? Everywhere I go now, its plexiglass everywhere or someone is wearing a mask or gloves. That is just asking for the virus to breed because it stays on plastic a lot longer than people think. If you have someone cough on a plexiglass shield and think that it protects you, then they’re wrong.

Why can’t people understand that social distancing and GOOD hand hygiene is CRITICAL to whether you get it or not? Why are people literally asking the virus to breed on these surfaces? It does more harm than good.. and most importantly WHY are people depleting stocks that doctors and nurses NEED?!

Ugh, I must be getting old! :p
Eva x
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I certainly share your frustration, Eva. Yesterday I went down to the local surgery to hand in my prescription request. They had sensibly put a box on the outside wall to collect the requests. When I got there, a queue of people had formed, for the pharmacy next door. One woman was standing right by the box so I would have had to pass right next to her to get to the box, plus one or two others. Nobody moved. I stood there waiting, some distance away, indicating that I wanted to get to the box. She refused to move away. In the end, I just had to do it, feeling really scared at the risk to myself. In addition to all this, the road I had to walk down was busy with quite a few people walking and jogging. Some of those showed no indication of moving, and I had to cross the road repeatedly to avoid them. The whole thing was very stressful, and now I can't be 100% sure of not being infected. I'm not going outside the front door again!
 
When you check local websites and find news that read like a joke...

Yesterday, a toilet paper dealer has been arrested.
A young man had been selling toilet paper rolls for 5 Euros each at a bus stop. Someone had noticed people gathering (more than 2 at a time is forbidden) and called the police.
The police found several hideout places with about 1000 rolls altogether.

Looks like toilet paper is the new drug.

While it is not fun when people try to benefit from a crisis at the expense of others, this news was so absurd, I was about to laugh. And definitely sat there like... TWF? Still shake my head.
 
tanker, I’m old fashioned. I like going to look before I buy, and have never gotten used to online shopping. I’ve used it a few times, but prefer to look before I buy. Even with books, I sit there on the floor and read a chapter first. If I’m not hooked I don’t buy.

I know pharmacies are different and I’m really sorry to hear about your experience (I get it at work too.. had one guy cough close to me twice :mad: ) but I feel the anger came from that they put me at extra risk like that making me wait at the entrance where there were more people coming and going than where I was standing. I wasn’t hurting or touching anything (they had big signs up don’t touch anything!) so why disturb me?

I think the way we can all get through this is to stop letting fear get to us.. the media is a form of scare mongering propaganda because of the vast amount of people it reaches. If people are going to buy masks, then why don’t we donate those to people who actually need them?

Eva x

Ps. I actually read that being calm during this is a trauma response, but what’s the point of freaking out when we can only do so little?
 
SeekerOfKnowledge said:
When you check local websites and find news that read like a joke...

Yesterday, a toilet paper dealer has been arrested.
A young man had been selling toilet paper rolls for 5 Euros each at a bus stop. Someone had noticed people gathering (more than 2 at a time is forbidden) and called the police.
The police found several hideout places with about 1000 rolls altogether.

Looks like toilet paper is the new drug.

While it is not fun when people try to benefit from a crisis at the expense of others, this news was so absurd, I was about to laugh. And definitely sat there like... TWF? Still shake my head.
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This might be the guy I heard about on the radio this morning, who had stored away 17,000 rolls of toilet paper (!) and was trying to sell them at a big profit. They arrested him, and there was such an outcry at his behaviour that he gave away all the many he had left to charity! So some good came out of it after all!
 
Eva1942 said:
If people are going to buy masks, then why don’t we donate those to people who actually need them?
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Here in the US there actually are thousands of private individuals who are sewing masks and donating them to local medical facilities. There also are manufacturing companies who have switched from making their normal products to making masks, ventilators, and other items in short supply. I doubt all the latter are donating them, though, but they are keeping people working. The photos I've seen show employees wearing masks and keeping their distance from each other.

It's also true that the media are fear mongerers. The statistic that's the least focused on are the recoveries. While it's being reported, it's not done consistently across the board. For example, I just read yesterday that the State in which I live isn't even tracking it. WTH?

The medical community all around the world is making great headway with treatments, though. We will get a handle on this beast soon.
 
Hi John,

In reference to your last two posts, I heartily agree in some respects. To some degree there is in this case, as in a real war, the "fog of war" to contend with. When things are most critical in warfare, people often don't know what exactly is going on and therefore don't know how to react to it. In that regard: (1) the ChiComms' efforts to block information about the virus tremendously delayed information and efforts; (2) a particular activity related to the domestic politics of the U.S. also "sucked all of the oxygen out of the room" during a critical period, diverting and focusing the attention of the top levels of government as well as the media elsewhere; but most importantly, (3) arrogant and hide-bound bureaucracies in the U.S. FDA (Food and Drug Administration) and the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) fiddled with getting a good virus test approved, relying only on themselves, and ignored other viable alternatives, which really hurt things. I have read some other articles on what happened, but the one I just read is probably as good as any: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/the-senator-who-saw-the-coronavirus-coming/

The article relates to one politician who saw the problem coming and tried to do what he could to get the slow-moving machinery of government focused on a potential catastrophe. I wish everyone had been as smart and ahead of the curve as he was.

Hi AlteSteele,

Thanks for a cheerful word! :) I tend to push doom and gloom myself more than I should sometimes. You're probably on the right track, and the treatment modalities being developed are really the biggest hope I have for most of us beating this thing. A vaccine will probably not be ready for use in time to stop the current epidemic, but if we can cut way down on infections with isolation, and simultaneously improve the survival rates for the seriously infected with some of the new therapies and drugs being used, we'll have done the best we can to beat this thing.

I just hope we have an economy by the time we do. . . .Oops! There I go again. Ignore that last statement. ;)

Cordially,
S&S
 
Just got the word that Florida goes into a more complete lockdown tomorrow (Thursday) at midnight:

"Until now, Florida remained the holdout among states hit hard by the coronavirus in not ordering residents to stay at home. A number of cities and counties in the state previously issued stay-at-home orders for residents, including Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties, which have over 60-percent of the state's Covid-19 cases. DeSantis defended his stance, saying Florida is a large state where more than a dozen counties still have few, if any cases."

https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...86/florida-governor-orders-statewide-lockdown

I just wish that successive waves of over-buyers would stop going into the store and emptying the shelves of certain items. Unfortunately, in the stores I shop the "limit 2 per customer" signs haven't gone up until particular products (like toilet tissue) are emptied or close to being emptied. Today when I went to the store I found the same was true for pasta, dried beans, rice, and a variety of other things. I.e., nice little signs up and shelves empty or close to empty. Unfortunately, though the system seems well-tuned in terms of restocking at a normal pace, when over-buyers buy-out certain products everywhere, the system doesn't seem to be able to cope with "completely" restocking particular products everywhere at once.

S&S
 
Feeling encouraged for the moment. The plasma treatment that allows antibodies from people who have recovered from the virus to be infused into people who are ill has been approved and is apparently showing promise. Hydroxychloroquine has also been approved for use (even while it is still being tested). Plus, a combination of the drugs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin is also in use to treat coronavirus patients in New York. Depending on results, we may be close to finding a variety of treatments, drugs and combinations that will make it possible to substantially reduce the mortality rate and speed recovery in the most seriously ill patients. This will be very good news indeed if initial promise is fulfilled via testing and actual treatment.
 
HI S&S What you said is very trues about bumbling bureaucrats Australia now has 22 deaths and over 4000 confirmed cases If you can believe news reports last night on one of the nightly news it was reported there are less patients in our ICU units than normal The reasons given... included there are far last auto accidents and because all of the pubs and clubs have been closed in Australia all of the violence created by those environments no longer exists .... that makes you think doesn't it? But that has not stopped our government from planning for the worst Something they have done the US should take notice of is.... Through "negotiations"?...all private hospitals are now public hospitals doubling our capacity of ICU units... In large public auditoriums and sporting grounds plans and the equipment needed to build make shift hospitals are in place all of this when our ICU units are under no pressure right now That's what forward planning is all about as was our decision to begin early testing
and our curve is beginning to flatten.... IMO the US people should lobby there government to force for all private hospitals to turn public during this crises Your government is doing it with industry to build and make urgent medical supplies why not hospitals?

All The Best
 
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Hi,
I work in the hospital environment and been watching this speed up as far as safety is concern. One of the benefits we had in our living area is that we learn from the mistake made in another area where they let elderly be visited in nursing homes etc, where as we early on had precautions against that happening. My heart bleeds for those who are now loosing children to this virus. I feel I must mention this even if it makes me negative. I wash my hands like a crazy person and try not to touch things or go too close to people when out. The little errands I do make and meet up with other people and also in my line of work I have to say people are generally more kind today and in one way less stressed out (which I know sound strange considering we got another stress to worry about). I just have had countless moments now where it is as if we finally see each other, appreciate each other a little more. Anyways, that's all for me. Take good care everyone.
/Jaimie
 
Jaimie said:
Hi,
I work in the hospital environment and been watching this speed up as far as safety is concern. One of the benefits we had in our living area is that we learn from the mistake made in another area where they let elderly be visited in nursing homes etc, where as we early on had precautions against that happening. My heart bleeds for those who are now loosing children to this virus. I feel I must mention this even if it makes me negative. I wash my hands like a crazy person and try not to touch things or go too close to people when out. The little errands I do make and meet up with other people and also in my line of work I have to say people are generally more kind today and in one way less stressed out (which I know sound strange considering we got another stress to worry about). I just have had countless moments now where it is as if we finally see each other, appreciate each other a little more. Anyways, that's all for me. Take good care everyone.
/Jaimie
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Jaimie, just to say I appreciate all the hard work all hospital staff are doing on behalf of the rest of us, in such a risky environment. I can't help thinking how lucky I am to be able to stay in isolation, while they all work hard at the worst of times. Really hope you stay safe and well, you're doing a great job.
 
So today, I had the task of standing at the door of our store sanitising trolley handles and baskets. A woman comes in and it sort of goes like this...

Me: “Hi! How are you? Just so you know, the trolleys have been sanitised so you don’t need to santise it, but you’re more than welcome to again..” *I’m sanitising trolley handles while I’m talking..*

Lady: *picks up two antibacterial trolley wipes then proceeds to sanitise the handle again* I believe you I do, but I have a chronic asthmatic at home and I can’t be too careful...

Me: ( :confused: ) Okay then, whatever you choose to do...

Lady walks away with entire trolley handle covered in antibacterial trolley wipes... :confused:

HELLO!! Why would I say something I didn’t mean? Why would I lie about something so serious? Seriously, I don’t understand people now, I didn’t spend 3.5 hours (my entire shift) sanitising trolley handles and baskets, to just have people do it themselves again?!

And I’m SO FED UP with those people who think that freakin’ gloves and a mask are gonna protect you! No they won’t! Good Hand hygiene will!

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Feeling encouraged for the moment. The plasma treatment that allows antibodies from people who have recovered from the virus to be infused into people who are ill has been approved and is apparently showing promise. Hydroxychloroquine has also been approved for use (even while it is still being tested). Plus, a combination of the drugs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin is also in use to treat coronavirus patients in New York. Depending on results, we may be close to finding a variety of treatments, drugs and combinations that will make it possible to substantially reduce the mortality rate and speed recovery in the most seriously ill patients. This will be very good news indeed if initial promise is fulfilled via testing and actual treatment.
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I read about that! How exciting is this! :D

Ever noticed how all the anti-vaxxers have suddenly gone VERY quiet?

Eva x
 
It used to be called belt and braces. Or carrying a spare parachute in case the main one doesn't open. No harm in being cautious.

I do appreciate the efforts of anyone who is currently at work, whether that is the postal service, the grocery store or the health service, and countless others doing jobs to keep our society functioning. My warmest regards and thanks to all.
 
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