I'm Spartacus! ( film quote )

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  1. Eva1942

    Eva1942 A Walking Enigma...

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    The Wind That Shakes The Barley was one of Cillian Murphy’s beginning films. He later starred in Anthropoid playing the role of Josef Gabčik.

    Here’s some interviews Cillian did about The Wind That Shakes The Barley:

    https://www.joe.ie/amp/movies-tv/683851-683851



    Eva x
     
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    Hi Eva,

    I'm just jumping in to reiterate my earlier (and very humble) request that you provide more info about your experiences related to Ramesses II and the "Ten Commandments" period (which I assume also include the Hebrews and their God) as well as those related to Nefertiti and the Egyptian Gods.

    And, as we used to say in that long ago age when dinosaurs roamed the earth and I was a kid: "Pretty please with sugar on top!"

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    You're absolutely right, for the majority of the world in recent history, we have not experienced war or any kind of mass instability in our lives, culture and economy.

    I don't often like to get into politics publicly, but with this whole defund the police movement in the US, what you're going to end up with is what most of the world has known for many thousands of years and that is simply warlord rule. In that case, you just get what you get and there's nothing you can do about it. A general warned us (the US) about leaving the middle east that the meanest son of a b-word will take over when we leave. He's right and that's been part of the reason it's taken so long to even find any kind of peace to begin with. None of this ever had to happen though, as the invasion of Iraq was unnecessary.

    I will say, ever since I was younger, I always thought that the US should be energy independent as I had an innate understanding of the systems of governments in the oil producing countries and I had no like or trust for them. The past and present US foreign policy has other ideas though and I suspect that I think much like Ranjit did in keeping with an semi isolationist policy. I find it very interesting he maintained the border with Afghanistan but pushed into western Tibet.
     
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    I guess it depends on how one defines war.

    I approached my one man war with a militaristic mindset. At the end of it I felt I had earned my stripe, then I remembered lives where I commanded armies. I realised that I AM war. Such things are unavoidable for a soul such as I and I stand apart from my fellow Gen Xers. I know war. I know the possibility of complete annihilation. Why was I a legend again and again when such things are spiritually meaningless? IMO so I would know the futility of war.
     
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    Hi Jim. Yes it does depend on ones definition of war and think from various perspectives, your choice of the word futile can either be refuted, augmented or extended perhaps. I think wars of conquest are entirely futile, because as I was just discussing, eventually, someone else is going to come and conquest you. However, on the flip side of that, you may have been peacefully minding your own business and suddenly you're in a war of self defense and I wouldn't consider that futile.

    I wonder where most of your experiences were Jim, that allowed you to conclude that wars are futile. I would bet that many of them were between the current, modern era and roman empire. Almost every war fought in those eras were of conquest or they could even possibly be considered a leisurely pursuit of the aristocracy.

    Even though I may just be a computer guy, I echo your sentiments that I am also war. So much so that my whole life has been dictated by it; although I seem to have a different perspective on it than you. All of my hobbies and interest have revolved around martial arts, war gaming of one kind or another and I'm very proficient with shooting various things and other weapons. I've always been concerned with war as a form of protection and defense though.

    Although I hadn't considered it at the time when I was posting my thread (because I didn't know then), that the size of Ranjit's empire was mostly static, I did say that I knew though, that I wasn't one to grab power or conquest for it's own sake. So it's no surprise to me that he didn't seek to enlarge his empire. It was simply more important to stabilize and protect and I (he) had a way of validating and uplifting people that created a flourishing environment, at least while I was alive.

    I guess I'm thinking my point is, is that I may be a little more ahead than you. I don't think being "war" is wrong and maybe right now, you're floundering a bit and licking your wounds over realizing that war is futile and maybe you just haven't realized that is only conditional. Some wars are futile, not all.


    Maybe you've just been realizing that war, in the last two thousand years, has more or less been futile and purposeless. I don't see you as needing to come to terms with war, but rather having trouble adjusting your thinking from an subjective based perspective to a objective one.

    I mean that to say that through reincarnation itself, you're seeing the futility of war; gains can become loses and victories can easily turned to defeat.

    Being objective makes it much more harder, but i think you're struggling to work out for yourself, which things are worth fighting for.. those somewhat subjective, but still universal concepts and objective truths that bind us all together and will affect lifetimes, plural.

    I wish you wouldn't be as hard on yourself as you can sometimes be here. I understand that you are and probably grieving and ruminating your past, but also understand that is but one step in another journey you've only just begun.

    I will commiserate with you a bit as I've felt really stuck trying to understand my lack of understanding about relationships. My ex wife and I just "worked" because I think we're bound together somehow spiritually and even so, we still had our problems and we're no longer together.

    I honestly have no clue how to move onto another relationship. I know it will happen in time, but I've spent many days, weeks and months just stuck and licking my own wounds, angry because I can't change the circumstances around me. It takes a long time for it to sink in that I can't change who I am (and nor would I want to) to fit the circumstances. I can only change how I react to them, which is the far better option, but it's also harder one.

    I've got learning to do in that sense and relationships are something I never learned how to do. So far, all that I know is that I had an arranged marriage and I was also the king and could have had anyone I wanted. Trying to find people who want to voluntarily be together and to make it work, that's something else.

    We're all learners in our own way, all the time. I don't think it's something we'll ever stop being.

    I apologise in advance for typos. I'm on my phone and will edit later on my laptop.
     
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    When I think of conquering wars, like Alexander the great, I see a great boost of connecting people, and spreading the culture life. Something similar happens when building railways, across the USA for example. But it hurts many as well.
     
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    Hi Tortoro.

    I was in a war against the British Empire in my last life. That certainly didn't feel futile. Yet Home Rule would have been achieved after WW1 so what was the point to my war? Empires were already on their way out, to be replaced by Superpowers. Maybe it wouldn't have happened without war but whose to say? I was a hero in a war nothing else. Did that war NEED to happen?

    My earliest experience is just before AD, pre Christian times. Back then I fought for unity. I had a dream. It almost came to fruitition but not quite.

    My views on war come from my current life. Up until six years ago I felt that war was justifiable.

    Why do you consider yourself more ahead than me? Because you feel that gutting men has a purpose? Sure we make changes but what is changed is enevitable anyway? Then our wars have no purpose.

    I'm all about subjective. All those bodies I saw didn't need to die except for some passing ideal. That's what reincarnation knowledge has given me. No one needed to die.

    Yea...you cant change who you are. Thats the truth. I still love my ex who I have a child with. I don't think anyone gets over their past. They just learn to live with it.
     
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    Wars are a great way of erasing the culture. This process sometimes is quick and devastating, other times continues as a secondary war for centuries, long after the initial armed conflict.
     
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    Hi Jim!

    I wasn't on the forum for years now, but I'm one of those who remember a past life as Caesar. I shared some of my memories here years ago (along with other past lives I remember). However, I take it all with a grain of salt and I would never claim that I really was this famous person, as I just cannot be sure at all. Actually I think it's rather unlikely, but not impossible. Therefore I don't mind that there are multiple other claimants to this past life. I guess there always will be. I'm always curious about their memories or reasons for believing they were Caesar, and I compare them to mine. But I don't want to challenge or debate anyone. You cannot prove a FPL to anybody, especially not a very famous one like this. And I can imagine several other reasons why people experience something like memories of a FPL, including myself. Also, anybody can still claim anything on the internet... So I tend to not to care much about other claims and to not to become obsessed by anything.
     
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    Hi Ocean!!

    Very good to hear from you again! :) I did a quick check and found your last post was in August 2015, which would make it almost 5 years ago. It was on the thread titled: Stories and Consequences of Past Life Vows. I think I may kick that thread back up again. :cool: There are a lot of new people on the board at this point, so they may find it of interest.

    Anyhow, very glad that you're back! ;)

    Cordially,
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  11. Jim78

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    Hi Ocean. Welcome back.

    I guess our reincarnation journeys are different. I know, beyond doubt, who I was in past lives for numorous reasons.

    Just two examples, for instance:

    1. I was homeless for years and one day, in an old barn with rats running around me, I had an epiphany. I was confronted with myself. It didn't matter that I had a hard life, it didn't matter what happened in my childhood...I was a man now! I had to deal with my own stuff. I pulled my bootstraps up and got down to the business of dragging myself out of the gutter. This was in 2002.

    Then, in 2014, I confronted what many in the world embrace and I demanded answers. I demanded to be confronted with myself again in order to change and grow again. It was then I learned that reincarnation was real. It was then I was confronted with my past lives...beyond any doubt.

    2. This is a straightforward one. I've known and encountered souls who I also encountered in my past lives and, just like myself, they haven't changed much although they have grown. If I wasn't who I claimed to be how does one explain these other 'players' coming into my life?

    I too am curious about others claimants beliefs and memories. I'm curious about how they arrived at their conclusions.

    Why, as a Caesar claimant, would you not want to confront and debate other claims? Surely as Rome's Elite you would wish to seize dominion over your own soul?

    That's how I view it anyway. Its about seizing what's mine...
     
  12. Ocean

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    Hi S&S!

    Very nice to meet you again! :) Yes, it's been a while - Gosh, time passes by so quickly... And somehow I never manage to stay on a forum for long.
    Yes, why not reviving that old thread? It was an interesting read (the original topic) and maybe others would like to share their stories.

    Hey Jim!
    I understand where you are coming from, but, yes, I think we have a different attitude towards our past lives. Which doesn't mean that one approach is better than the other in general, just that it works better for the person in question. After all, we are all individuals with different journeys to accomplish and different things to learn.:)

    I for my part still don't really know why I got past life memories at all, other than "just for fun" and because I've always wished to remember my PLs, even as a child. There are positive things I gained from remembering, but I've also made the experience that it's unhealthy for me to focus on the past instead of living in the present. One particular PL memory gave me quite a hard time and led me down a road of pain and depression. That's why I keep everything at a safe distance and I don't allow my PLs to bother me that much anymore.

    I've already tried to explain. First: It's not possible to prove a famous PL like this to anybody, I can't even prove it to myself.
    If I remember something which is recorded in history books, there is always a chance that I read or heard about it somewhere sometime in my life, but I'm not aware of that anymore. If I remember something which is not recorded, how can anyone know if it is true? It cannot be verified.
    I have a scientific education this time around and there is a difference for me between knowing something based on evidence, and believing/feeling/being personally convinced of something. I need hard facts and proof, otherwise there will always be doubts. And if I cannot prove my claims, nor anyone else can prove their claims to me, a debate is senseless in my opinion. It would be a debate about personal beliefs. And who would win such a debate? The one who is the most convincing. This doesn't make their claim true though, nor does it prove anything. You still have to believe it.

    Second: I don't feel the need to, and it would be tiresome. I can talk to other claimants, we can exchange opinions and experiences, I'm absolutely fine with that. But I see no use in arguing and debating who's right and who's wrong. Even if I was the real Caesar in my PL, this means the others have either false memories for whatever reason (but are otherwise honest people, which is fine). Or they are delusional, mentally ill or simply liars and trolls. Why should I waste my time and energy to argue with such people (the lunatics and idiots) about something which isn't provable anyway? I have better things to do in my life. It's as simple as that.

    You seem to be quite possessive towards your past lives and defensive of them. I assume you gain something positive from that in your current life. I simply don't. Maybe this would be different if I was 100% sure that everything I remembered is true and not just fantasy or something, I don't know. I can imagine that I was Caesar, yes. I can identify with him and I could accept the idea that this was indeed my PL. But I cannot be sure. As I said, there is no hard proof for that. And as a rationally thinking person I remain sceptical towards my own PL memories and those of others, as long as they cannot be proven.
    I guess, the only thing which would work as evidence for me is, if there was someone who knew me in my past life and we would have the same memories of events which are not recorded anywhere.
    May I ask, how do you know that you met people from your past lives in this life? Did you recognize them somehow or do they have memories of their own matching with yours?

    Oh, this sounds really strange to me! :rolleyes: I don't feel like anyone is taking anything away from me by claiming the same famous PL, least of all taking anything away from my soul. Even if I was Caesar, I had numerous lives in between this PL and now. I dealt with many different topics and problems, other than power, wars and politics. I've learned and evolved, and I'm not the same person I was back then. Also, this PL must have been really extraordinary putting me in such a position of power. In my current life I'm an average, calm, sensible person. And although I may have strong opinions on a variety of topics, I don't go in for a confrontation with others if it's not really worth it or utterly important in real life. On the contrary, I mostly act diplomatically, seeking compromise and peace. You could say maybe, that imposing my will and opinion onto others at any costs as Caesar, just brought me to the point of getting murdered... So, not such a good idea in the end maybe ;) LOL
     
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    Hi Ocean. Good to hear from you.

    Yup. Its about whatever works for you.

    I didn't gain memories 'just for fun' unfortunately but its true PL memories are a minefield. They can cause both pain and joy.

    I have one particular PL memory of my then son laying dead on the battlefield. Many later sources claim he died the next day yet upon studying contemporary annals there was no such mention of him having died the next day. Its seems that notion was sourced from a later propaganda piece that was birthed even after a decades later annal that also had no mention of him dying the next day.

    What I'm saying is that I have that memory of something not recorded in history books but that falls into the realm of the possible and perhaps even probable contemporary accounts. I have at most Junior Certificate history. There's simply no way I could possess memories that contradict later accounts but aren't contradicted by the then accounts of the period.

    As a scientifically minded person do you not think it adds weight to my memories? The fact I hold memories true to contemporary sources about events that had been exaggerated over the intervening millennia?

    The fact is that I'm not a scholar. I'm not even college educated. Yet I have memories spanning millennia about details I can't possibly have known.

    I wouldn't be debating who is right and who is wrong. I would be debating the idiocy and lunacy of their claims.

    Possessive is an odd word for you to use tbh. How can one be possessive of their own soul? It simply is what it is. I'm no more possessive of my past lives than I am of my current one. If someone was running around saying "I'm Jim!" I would say "Hey dickhead, what the EFF are you doing?" My past lives are no different. They are as much me as Jim is.

    I am also skeptical about every PL memory I attain. I objectively break down the details of them and I always find zero contradictions and total accuracy to the periods I'm analysing. That's not subjective belief. I didn't even know things existed in the historic record yet my memories detail them accurately.

    I met my past life fiance in my current life. This was before I remembered pls. Yet we still both wondered how we knew each other since we hadn't met before in our current lives.

    I also fell in love with a woman who married someone else in my past life and she did the same thing in my current life.

    I also met two people who were leaders in their past life and they are also leaders in their current life. In my pl memories it may take a second to look beyond superficial appearances but once the penny drops I see the same souls animating different bodies. Once its seen it can't be unseen.

    For me other claimants are taking from me. They are regaling others with stories of blandness and mediocrity. Two things I've never been accused of in any life. I can't believe people swallow their crap tbh.

    I didn't say you should impose your will on others. I simply said I don't understand why you wouldn't stake a claim to your own soul. I guess if your not sure about your pls that understandable though tbf.
     
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    This part I can very much relate to. Though there's not anything I intend to do, there is all sorts of nonsense floating around out there in the public arena. But I know what I know, and I'm comfortable with that. It's odd how the stuff as viewed by outsiders is a pale representation of the real thing, often missing the point by so far as to be meaningless.
     
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    Hello there!

    Thanks for your answer, Jim.

    Yes, I think so. Absolutely. Remembering something which isn't widely known and which you didn't know before, especially those little details, then finding confirmation for it in historical records, is a good validation for memories. I'm doing it the same way.

    It's not a proof, however, which is beyond any doubt. It could still be a coincidence that you've remembered the correct details. Or you could also have heard about it somewhere before (even if you are not a scholar of history), but you don't remember it consciously anymore. Our subconsciousness however remembers much more than we are aware of. This is a general dilemma with famous PLs. I'm not saying this to diminish your validations or to challenge you or something. (I've browsed through your other thread, btw, where you laid out some memories of Brian Boru, and I think you have some good points actually.) I'm just being objective. It's a lesser problem with the less famous PLs, though, which are not so widely known to the general public as the world famous ones.

    In the case of Caesar - well, this historical figure is so famous that there are numerous artworks, documentaries, scientific papers etc. everywhere, which I could have encountered during my life to consciously or subconsciously already know many things. And I did. I even took Latin classes in school. So I can never know for sure if I knew something before I had remembered it or not. See, that's my great problem regarding this possible PL of mine ;)

    Regarding Brian Boru, I cannot really judge how famous he is in the place you live. I've never heard of him before (sorry...), but I realize he was one of the big players in the history of medieval Ireland. But I don't know how probable or improbable it is for someone living in Ireland to know some details about this historical figure. When I compare to important kings and rulers of my own country, sure I know at least something about them and their time period.

    So I think it's good you are always skeptical and looking for validations. That's just reasonable and the best method to obtain at least some level of certainty, I guess. Btw, I know the problem with historical sources that emerged decades later after the actual events, as well as rumors and legends that came even later on throughout the centuries. It's common that legends and famous pieces of art stick more in the peoples' heads than the actual events. Caesar's famous last words "Et tu, Brute?" which were laid into his mouth by Shakespeare are a good example of that.

    But in the end everyone has to decide for themselves, considering all possibilities and taking everything into account, historical validations as well as your gut feeling and intuition. But even if you've come to the conclusion that you are absolutely sure about your own case, this will never be proof according to the standards of science, which would need to be verifiable by others anytime, anyplace. Unfortunately.

    That's actually exactly what I meant :) I think you are more attached to your PLs than I am or some others here are, and therefore feel the need to always defend them against wrong accusations or others who claim the same PL - just as you would defend your current self against scamers and lies in real life. I cannot really relate to that. If these are your PLs, then nobody can take them away from you or change the truth, whatever they say or claim to be. That's how I view it. And you will always know the truth for yourself. Sure you can be annoyed by the nonsense they spread about your PL self. I understand that. But you will always have to deal with that having a famous PL. There will always be attempts to ridicule and belittle powerful historical figures, there will be wrong interpretations made by historians, words laid into your mouth, or just stupid people who talk nonsense. Just think of celebrities nowadays and all the rumors that are spread about them. IMHO it's not worth the effort to bother with all that. My PLs are also like a past of mine that I can put to rest. I can shake my head and laugh about stupid claims and move on. But I see, others here feel just like you.

    Maybe you didn't have many incarnations between Brian Boru and this life. Or maybe this life is just very much connected to the other PLs you remember. I read once that some of our incarnations are more connected to each other than others because they deal with similar topics and problems. Like a series of lessons. But those lessons do not have to appear in a chronological order in history. There can be other incarnations between them dealing with something else. But it would be more likely for us to remember those PLs which have such a connection to this current life. Maybe that's the case with you. Just my thoughts :)

    Btw, English is not my native language. So if I use strange words or phrasing sometimes, blame it on that, LOL, and feel free to ask me anytime :D

    I want to add, that in a real life face-to-face conversation this would be a bit different probably. If someone came directly at me saying "You cannot be X, because I am", I would at least argue that it is just as possible for me to be X than for them. And I would demand evidence for their claim if they insisted on their point. But on the Internet I don't really care. You never really know who hides behind a keyboard and why they are doing what they are doing.

    Where did you meet other claimants to your PLs? You wrote somewhere that your PL claim was ridiculed and that you had been insulted by people, if I remember correctly. Did this happen on this forum??? I'm just curious.
     
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    Akhenaten really? I’ve never met anyone who claimed to be Akhenaten!! If you find them again tell them to sling me a message! *insert silly laughing face because this forum is very limited on emoji’s*.

    In all seriousness I hadn’t realised Akhenaten was popular amongst claimants, I am surprised to learn that!
     
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    Hi Speedwell. I also know what I know but I don't want blazing mediocrities dragging their knuckles into my pissing ground.

    I dunno why. Its just the way I am.
     
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    No Ocean. Its not proof but surely consistent 'coincidence' again and again, repeated a couple of dozen times at least goes beyond coincidence? Its like rolling six on a dice over and over again. It can happen a few times but not dozens in a row.

    As a scientifically minded person where would you draw the line between coincidence and accuracy?

    By the way, in Ireland, during the Civil War, most of the medieval records were destroyed in 1922. The rough outline and story of Brian Boru is known but not intricate details. I hold those details and where possible they were confirmed by the historic record, sometimes through shards of knowledge not generally known and certainly not to a teenage boy such as I was. My memories brought me to the scholars not vice versa. My ignorance of the period in question is my 'proof'. I simply couldn't have heard the details I know.

    Besides, Murchads death in the annals is a simple statement of his death. They don't contain the details I remember. I couldn't have read about it anywhere because what I remember wasn't recorded anywhere. How do you explain that?

    I ENJOY destroying claims. Its not that its not worth the bother, I find it entertaining.

    I've seen other claimants to my pls in a documentary and on the internet. They are either long since inactive or don't want to engage with me. Its a shame. I LOVE fresh meat.
     
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    That’s a good question… Looking as an outsider at any PL case, it's always hard for me to say where to draw the line.

    Real science would require a method of calculation or statistical analysis or some other tool which you could apply to each PL case in the same way to get an objective result. But there is no such thing unfortunately. So it all comes down to what makes most sense to me and what is most believable.

    Generally speaking every other possibility or explanation needs to be ruled out as good as possible, and there need to be at least some validated memories. The more the better.

    Young children's PL cases present the strongest evidence for reincarnation IMO, then non-famous PL of adults where you can track down the name, time and place, life circumstances etc. of a PL self and it all matches up with memories. Everything else, where you don’t have these kind of validations, will always be a possibility in my eyes. I really want to believe all the other cases as well, but I guess from a rational point of view I will never be able to say: Now that's the point where I can be absolutely sure that their claim is true - be it famous or non-famous PL.

    I look at my own PLs the same way. From a rational point of view I see them as possibilities, and I'm more sure about some than about others. But here it's also a question of my feeling about everything and what I am willing to accept for myself. Also, my rational thinking was always somewhat contrary to my intuition and to what I "just know to be true" from my higher self regarding spirituality and my own soul evolution.

    If you are absolutely sure you couldn't have learned before about the details you've remembered, AND they are consistent with historical records, then this strongly indicates that your PL memories are real IMO. And I agree this is a valid "proof" for yourself.

    But when we remember details that are not recorded anywhere, then we just cannot know if it is true at all. It could be just our imagination running wild, our mind making it up subconsciously, maybe filling in the gaps between our real PL memories. We may feel or "know" for ourselves that it is true, but nobody else can verify it. So for an outsider this is no evidence at all.

    It would be strong evidence for me however, if two or more people, who remember the same historical events in their respective past lives, would remember the same details independently of each other.

    That really made me laugh! LOL Then go for it and enjoy yourself! Maybe I'll watch you one day arguing with some other claimant on this forum. Anyways, your case looks quite intriguing and it's interesting to talk to you. Thanks and take care :)
     
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    I agree with you about children's cases but they are also based on the same principal we all should hold ourselves to. The best evidence by far is having knowledge of something that you couldn't have known previously.

    Obviously with children this is always going to be the case but in adults, it's easier to cite cryptomnesia as the source of the memory.

    Being a cross-cultural case myself, I've been able to research memories dreams and impressions with some good accuracy.

    However if you're from the same culture as your past life, it becomes harder to avoid cryptomanesia or out right hoaxing. The same could be said about me too, as I discovered my past lives at the beginning of my 30's.

    Privately I go by the "could not have known" verifications with other factual alignments as secondary, but strengthening factors. Publicly I go by the "extraordinary class require extraordinary proof" axiom.
     
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