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Ophelia3..I think memories /connections to past incarnations of our spiritual selves... that is what they are .. they are not our.. John Tat's or Ophelia 3's memories/connections depend upon many factors
including.. how and where we were bought up..the influences of our education...the interests of our family members and friends... our own experiences... a whole range of things .. these things can create emotions most would call dejue vue moments.. but we see them as something very different.. IMO what we feel connections to is depended upon what we are exposed to in this incarnation not so much what is more important..You feel a connection to Egypt.. If you had never heard of Egypt you would feel no connections to it
I don't like talking about some details of my memories.. I will talk about one I have talked about before to show how difficult it can be to get time lines on a particular memory of our spiritual selves
We all search for time lines of the memories... just as you do
After the battle when I was covered in the blood of my enemies and I lifted up my arm to licked the blood and sweat from my arm.. what I have not talked about before.. I was still holding a battle axe
Nothing flash.. just a wooden handle with an axe head attached to it.. I thought that gives me a clue to the time line.. So I went looking. I don't know what the axe head was made off.. it may have been bronze
When I went searching Ancient Egyptians were using bronze during the 4th dynasty around 2600BC to 2500 BC.. and the Egyptian battle axe came into favor during The Middle Kingdom 2050BC to 1710BC.. during this time there were fierce battles for the reunification of Egypt.. but that does not mean they did not make battle axes during the 4th dynasty.. So my time line of that memory covers 1000 years .. In the end you can search all you like and still not come up with any definitive answers
 
I forgot to answer Ophelia3"s question about looking similar to physical entities our spiritual selves once occupied..IMO there is no validity to this belief..There are many reasons I think that.. for example at least six times in my life someone has come up to me and started talking to me thinking I was someone.. they all said you look exactly like him.. I'm sure that has happened to many of us.. I'm a lot older than many on this forum.. when I was young I had a friend that everyone agreed was the spitting image of his father. Years later it turned who we thought was his father was not his father.. there are many more examples I could give of people who look alike.. It is possible people do bear a resemblance to someone from the past but its pure fantasy to think that means anything
 
There and back again said:
One can go there themselves and can clearly see the build quality is vastly different from the Giza pyramids vs the later imitations, Egypt inherited some remnants of a much older civilization that was more advanced than even our current one. The academia has agendas which is why history around the world is so heavily suppressed and to go against the mainstream only stirs up the minions and ankle biters.
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Hahahah indeed the fibs of establishment academics. A bit of truth and then lies mixed in to confuse and to prevent people knowing that things are made up for the very lucrative tourist industry. There is an account of a couple of tourists who snuck away from the guide. They managed to go where they wanted to, unchallenged. They happened upon some archeologists in a tomb or supposed tomb - painting new ancient Egyptian artwork. Lol. I bet there are a lot more look-outs to stop other tourists stumbling on them these days.

Then there is the enigma that no bodies of humans or animals have ever been found inside or in the tunnels beneath the pyramids. Well, not the ones at Giza anyway, and not in many if any others anywhere in the world where they have investigated inside or found tunnels beneath. I can imagine that those filled with earth or sand, like the smaller Nubian pyramids, may hold bodies within or under, though.

....and what about the fraud of Stonehenge? That the stones were laying prostrate on the ground until some Edwardian enthusiasts erected them as they thought they might have once stood? That isn't even mentioning the modern concrete that has been cast over some of them, and some of it appears to be coming away exposing stone(?) underneath. No wonder the authorities fenced it off, and made sure people were drawn away and wouldn't spend too long REALLY looking, by building the visitors centre quite a distance away. Yeah, the big fibs of history.

You and others may not agree with all this man says, but I think he hits the nail on the head more often than not. He doesn't narrate or explain much these days, as those subbing for the last year or more pretty well know the point he is making about the fibs we were told - and which much earlier archeologists might have themselves believed a long time ago. To get the more explained videos about the most likely building techniques (much more simple than we are told) simply scroll to about a year ago or more. Very eye opening and could well make sense to some pl memories of a few people - but first, this video shows very clearly the modern concrete having 'chunked off' a standing stone at Stonehenge
although goodness knows when it was put on to begin with.
Incidentally, he won't discuss who was where - e.g. whether a civilisation was black, white or inbetween. That isn't his interest and he doesn't want the arguments on his channel. His point is that there is much that is obvious and when we stop and look, the truth is often staring us in the face.

Nothing to do with any pl of mine, but you mentioned we aren't told the truth so I thought you might be interested that you aren't alone here in knowing that.
 
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You can talk about fibs and yours others truth which are truths based on imaginations unless there is solid proof to prove otherwise. What nobody with alternative ideas about when the pyramids were built can escape is carbon dating.. Unless two things can be proven.. carbon dating is false science and all of the scientists who have conducted carbon dating on the pyramids are all frauds and liars then these alternative beliefs are nothing more than science fiction.. You may not know but the most compiling carbon dating comes from material found between the blocks of the pyramids left behind when they were being constructed .. These science fiction beliefs about when the pyramids were built comes from the same imaginations as those who have predicted when the world will end.. You will always find them in many different areas if you go looking for them
 
John Tat said:
You can talk about fibs and yours others truth which are truths based on imaginations unless there is solid proof to prove otherwise. What nobody with alternative ideas about when the pyramids were built can escape is carbon dating.. Unless two things can be proven.. carbon dating is false science and all of the scientists who have conducted carbon dating on the pyramids are all frauds and liars then these alternative beliefs are nothing more than science fiction.. You may not know but the most compiling carbon dating comes from material found between the blocks of the pyramids left behind when they were being constructed .. These science fiction beliefs about when the pyramids were built comes from the same imaginations as those who have predicted when the world will end.. You will always find them in many different areas if you go looking for them
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No offence meant to the views of yourself and others, John. It isn't the dates I personally question. It is the building techniques we are told were used.
Time and again we are told this or that megalith was built by transporting whacking great chunks of hard rock for even hundreds of miles, but then the concrete or other polymer of the time starts coming away in bits here and there and lo and behold, there are bricks behind it.
Some things were built by stonemasons with shaped rock, and stomemasons today can still do that but in addition other methods were also used, such as geotube engineering. The lack of plastic and rubber could have been overcome by sewing together animal skings, or even tough fabric that was oiled to prevent leakage as the ancient mix of concrete was forced in to be left to set dry.
Did you know there are concrete walls along the Thames that weren't deliberately built to be so? They were sandbags piled up to prevent flooding during the 20th century. Not so long ago. The water brought lime and mud into the sand, it set, the hessian rotted away. See my point?

Did you watch the video, near the end where the concrete on the stones at Stonehenge is unmissable? Such obvious fakery but far from a lone example.

The establishment seem to want to continue in the old belief that the ancient peoples were somehow less intelligent and innovative than people today are. Maybe they don't want to undermine the reliability of previous historians and archeologists who mostly were members of elite families. Certainly, their books would become largely valueless. Whatever the reason, the point is that some peoples always were clever and often used the same or similar techniques used now - although it seems no one has been able to re-make the type of ultra strong, durable concrete the Romans and some others used. Or maybe the old mix is known - and it is only that the powers that be don't want todays buildings to last millenia. Lol.
 
It would be informative if people who get glimpses of their past lives would pay more attention to the society of those times, at the way things were done then. Instead, overwhelmingly, they focus on narrowly personal aspects, or on the afterlife. Maybe this hints that, indeed, each one of us build their own reality.
 
I don't know what others have done but I have talked a lot about how it was in Ancient Egypt on the thread receiving information from a source.. Even down to how the cities in Ancient Egypt stunk.. The streets stunk of human waste and garbage.. how we washed ourselves.. standing in a three sided enclosure pouring water over ourselves.. the children being made to work from a very young age...that the concept of slaves in Ancient Egypt and how that is reported is driven by religious zealots and does not even come close to the truth of how it was What they call slaves today are called house maids .. workers. and so on. Workers today are just as much slaves as the workers were in Ancient Egypt.. Our employers tell where we will work.. when we will work .. and how long we will work for .. that's slavery.. I only know that because of my memories of how it was We are also sold as slaves today just as they were in Ancient Egypt.. When a business/corporation is sold today its workers are also sold to the new owner/owners just as they were in Ancient Egypt.. I could go on and on about what I have already talked about life in Ancient Egypt.. I only talk about specific things when the subjects comes up
 
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John Tat said:
I don't know what others have done but I have talked a lot about how it was in Ancient Egypt on the thread receiving information from a source.. Even down to how the cities in Ancient Egypt stunk.. The streets stunk of human waste and garbage.. how we washed ourselves.. standing in a three sided enclosure pouring water over ourselves.. the children being made to work from a very young age...that the concept of slaves in Ancient Egypt and how that is reported is driven by religious zealots and does not even come close to the truth of how it was What they call slaves today are called house maids .. workers. and so on. Workers today are just as much slaves as the workers were in Ancient Egypt.. Our employers tell where we will work.. when we will work .. and how long we will work for .. that's slavery.. I only know that because of my memories of how it was We are also sold as slaves today just as they were in Ancient Egypt.. When a business/corporation is sold today its workers are also sold to the new owner/owners just as they were in Ancient Egypt.. I could go on and on about what I have already talked about life in Ancient Egypt.. I only talk about specific things when the subjects comes up
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I can well believe it of ancient Egypt. For all the way it is now pushed as pristine and socially advanced and desirable, no big civilisation has ever been built without those at the top doing the most heinous things to those beneath them, and it is always 'kick the cat'.

I am usually only interested in ancient Egypt as a part of general ancient history, and have no significant memories of any ancient pl myself. My memories seem to be from the English Civil War to now, and always in England. However, your memory of Egypt being not oh so perfect strikes so realistic that I think I have missed a lot by not reading your own recollections of the country, so I am going to read your posts.

I am so sorry though that it seems life there, then, was hard for you. I hope you are healing. I really do.
 
Very interesting John, and it illuminates much of the problems with civilization from this forum through religious/political conflict. I personally would like to know what particular period your Egyptian memories are from as I believe that I experienced a memory that I've spoken about previously where we were raising an obelisk from where it had been shaped/cut. Unfortunately the picture and feelings attached to it were probably seventy years ago and my attempts to get more information from that experience has done little more than muddy the water. I'm sure that we were using sound somehow and I know where I was standing, but I can not bring the people into focus - nor do I recall needing hearing protection. I can't even be sure what area of the world it was!

My memory was being in the approximate position that the picture of the "unfinished obelisk" was taken from except much closer to it - and it was smaller I think.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_monoliths

What nobody with alternative ideas about when the pyramids were built can escape is carbon dating
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As you point out, you can not carbon-date the stone structure only the ratio of carbon types found in UNCONTAMINATED organic matter that was found there and ASSUMED TO HAVE BEEN PLACED THERE AT THAT TIME.
Many edits to my post as I was called away while composing it.
 
Carbon dating has its pitfalls. For example it assumes that cosmic radiation was constant over the estimated period, and that there was no contamination of the sample from other materials containing carbon.

A published research showed a 3,500 year error on an assumed 20,000 year sample.

The "slave" comparison is obviously an exaggeration that I'll only notice, without arguing it.
 
baro-san said:
Carbon dating has its pitfalls. For example it assumes that cosmic radiation was constant over the estimated period, and that there was no contamination of the sample from other materials containing carbon.

A published research showed a 3,500 year error on an assumed 20,000 year sample.

The "slave" comparison is obviously an exaggeration that I'll only notice, without arguing it.
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How was it an exaggeration? I feel like John nailed it on the head and rings so true with what I've read about ancient Egypt.
 
Hi Ophelia,

I think the difference between a slave and a servant in "olden" days is generally exaggerated. In the history of the world, servants were often content to receive nothing more than food, clothing and shelter--often of the crudest type. They were often treated brutally, beaten, and required to do the basest and most miserable and dangerous of labor. Likewise, in the history of the world, "slaves" of high rank were sometimes very well treated, lived lavishly, and had command of supposedly "free" individuals as well as other slaves. In terms of overall "treatment"--there was very often little or no difference between servant and slave, and the slave of a good master was seemingly better off in most respects than the miserable poor, and depending on his/her standing, could be "better off" in most respects than all but the well-off.

However: The "free" man/woman was (at least theoretically) free to quit. Still, this was often a fairly useless commodity to the "free" individual, as quitting might well mean that in a hard world, and without resources, they and/or their family would be destitute and in danger of starvation. Even today, how many of us are prevented from quitting jobs that we hate and getting away from "masters" that we hate because of what it might bring?

In one respect, however, the slave was somewhat better off--he/she often represented an investment of money and/or had monetary value. There are even reported instances in history where "free" men were hired to do dangerous jobs as slaves were too valuable to risk.

We are very proud of our status as "free" individuals, and think that we would never voluntarily take on the "yoke" as John says that people did once upon a time to escape their own miserable existence for a life as "slaves" in Egypt. But there are very few here who have known real want and hunger either.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--John has a special gripe here, as he thinks the Biblical account of the treatment of the Jews in Egypt is an unwarranted defamation of Egypt. However, as I have pointed out to him before, the Jews were apparently well treated in Egypt for a long time before it was decided that they represented a military risk in the case of invasion and their treatment was changed. Their treatment thereafter is not a reflection of how slaves were generally treated in Egypt.
 
Hi John,

Please preface your statements with "In my opinion, or I believe......" Then back it up with something that helps make your point. Otherwise you're stating it as a fact, when in fact it's conjecture.

.....all of the scientists who have conducted carbon dating on the pyramids are all frauds and liars then these alternative beliefs are nothing more than science fiction..
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This belief that we.. the Egyptian came to the conclusion the Jews had become a military threat to us from my memories is nothing like what it was.. It makes a great foundation to the story of the exodus from Egypt.. I want you all to think about what I'm about to say.. Jews? I race never heard about in Ancient Egypt.. there was no such race of that name there..All of the beliefs about Judaism today did not exist back them
So any comparison of Jews today and any race that lived in Ancient Egypt is comply wrong and unfounded..Think about this.. If you are a 2nd.. 3rd...4th .. 5th or even more generation of the county you live in... were to your loyalties lie... with the county that has been the home of your family for generations or not?.. From my memories the myth about the exodus is .. those who it was claimed left Egypt were Egyptians not Jews.. they were Egyptians just as anyone today is who's family has lived in a country for generations.. This is important in understanding slavery in Ancient Egypt.. I'm certainly not saying there was a perfect system.. there were times when people were badly mistreated
 
Hi Deborah.. IMO the quote you gave as example requires no clarification.. Do people believe in carbon dating or not? It has proven to be a reliable way of dating for sometime.. I read the link baro scan
directed us to..They talked a lot about this and that but in the end the conclusion was carbon dating was accurate for dating back around 30.000 years.. so yes unless you believe the scientists who do this research are fraud and liars then any other beliefs are science fiction
 
Hi John,

You say, "those who it was claimed left Egypt were Egyptians not Jews.. " If the "Exodus" was by Egyptians rather than "Jews" please tell us what was going on to cause such an exodus by Egyptians from Egypt? Was this some kind of political thing, was it a religious disagreement, what caused this? I'm really curious to know everything you remember about this.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S As you know from my previous posts from my memories there was no exodus from Egypt The wording was bad I was rushed and late leaving for work and wrote a quick reply before I left which I should never do My brain does not work quick enough that allows me to do that and be completey accurate in everything I may say what I should have said was if you believe there was an exodus then those leaving would have been Egyptian All The Best
 
S&S As time goes by I get more and more memories from BB my spiritual self about Ancient Egypt...As you know over time I have talked about many of them.. They also seem to stir up emotions because when I talk about some of them they are contrary to what is believed and the written history.. This thing about the exodus is a good example..I know there was no Exodus because if there was such a monumental event BB would know about it.. It is true there were no Jews in Ancient Egypt or any race of any meaningful number that evolved into Jews ...It needs to be understood we kept no records of where people came from...there was not even a resemblance of a census.. a record of people and where they came from.. You need to think about that for a while then relate that to what is claimed about who was in Ancient Egypt and when they were there.. If we had no clue then any claims others make that they know thousands of years later when there are no records is a joke to me.. People came to Egypt for a better life.. there was no discrimination that I can remember... Almost everyone blended together.. they married each other.. both Egyptians and those who came from other lands.. joined together had children.. and prayed to our gods .. they turned into Egyptians ...That's what I remember

All The Best
 
@John Tat:

I'm not starting an argument. I just notice that sometimes you categorically dismiss those who challenge science's current position, while other times you dismiss science's position with the same categorical attitude. That depends if the science confirms your absolute belief in the information you channel, or not.

Others channel information that conflicts with yours, and they honestly believe their information as much as you believe yours.

Give this some thought ...
 
SeaAndSky said:
Hi Ophelia,

I think the difference between a slave and a servant in "olden" days is generally exaggerated. In the history of the world, servants were often content to receive nothing more than food, clothing and shelter--often of the crudest type. They were often treated brutally, beaten, and required to do the basest and most miserable and dangerous of labor. Likewise, in the history of the world, "slaves" of high rank were sometimes very well treated, lived lavishly, and had command of supposedly "free" individuals as well as other slaves. In terms of overall "treatment"--there was very often little or no difference between servant and slave, and the slave of a good master was seemingly better off in most respects than the miserable poor, and depending on his/her standing, could be "better off" in most respects than all but the well-off.

However: The "free" man/woman was (at least theoretically) free to quit. Still, this was often a fairly useless commodity to the "free" individual, as quitting might well mean that in a hard world, and without resources, they and/or their family would be destitute and in danger of starvation. Even today, how many of us are prevented from quitting jobs that we hate and getting away from "masters" that we hate because of what it might bring?

In one respect, however, the slave was somewhat better off--he/she often represented an investment of money and/or had monetary value. There are even reported instances in history where "free" men were hired to do dangerous jobs as slaves were too valuable to risk.

We are very proud of our status as "free" individuals, and think that we would never voluntarily take on the "yoke" as John says that people did once upon a time to escape their own miserable existence for a life as "slaves" in Egypt. But there are very few here who have known real want and hunger either.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--John has a special gripe here, as he thinks the Biblical account of the treatment of the Jews in Egypt is an unwarranted defamation of Egypt. However, as I have pointed out to him before, the Jews were apparently well treated in Egypt for a long time before it was decided that they represented a military risk in the case of invasion and their treatment was changed. Their treatment thereafter is not a reflection of how slaves were generally treated in Egypt.
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I have read that some, in various countries through the ages, would ask to become slaves as then their owner had a duty to ensure their wellbeing. Also that the reason the British elite changed to surfdom was to be able to exploit their 'underlings' to the fullest extent without regard to their wellbeing. Sounds about right - and typical.
Again, not an experience I personally remember.
The 'jews' in Egypt were the Hyksos who invaded and ruled upper Egypt for a few generations. Not slaves. However, they may have equated their standing as being no better than that of slaves after they had to leave Upper Egypt, even though they were free as they were no longer rulers and were being accomodated by the Pharoah of Lower Egypt. At least that is how I have read it elsewhere. So pretty much the same as you said really.

Nonetheless, the victor writes the history so I myself wouldn't discount what John is sure he remembers.

My own pre-Roman ancestors in some of the Briton tribes were portrayed as primitive, without writing even. Generational verbal history through my family has told me the truth, that of course they had writing and much else. They were settlers from mainland Europe and beyond and had helped build and maintain some of the great civilisations. In fact, one tartan plaid found with the Tarim Basin Mummies is nigh identical to one of the tartans of my paternal family. Writing was embossing on thin metal sheets, gold for the most important such as some marriages, land and border treatise etc. When out of date, the metal would be melted for re-use. Try finding that fact in the written accounts of Tacitus and others. Lol. So, I am always ready to question the Establishment version....of anything :-)
 
Deborah said:
Hi John,

Please preface your statements with "In my opinion, or I believe......" Then back it up with something that helps make your point. Otherwise you're stating it as a fact, when in fact it's conjecture.
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Yes, because some scientists have proven to deliberately mislead, lie and commit fraud. Sometimes to maintain an official paradigm, other times to gain grants that are after all their livelihoods, to cover up great wrongs and various other reasons.
Later examples have been that Thalidomide and other prescription drugs and treatments were safe and not to blame for birth defects, other suffering and even deaths. Then there was the lie that tobacco was safe. Not to mention Cheddar Man, who was from the only small tribe (Silurs) of darker Caucasoid people in Britain - only 2,000 years ago and that cannibalised older bones than his, of whites, were found with him. The two 'scientists' had gone straight to press instead of going the accepted route of seeking verification by other geneticists, then publishing first only through the recognised channels for review by yet other scientists prior to going public. I expect they were after grants.
I'm sure we can all think of too many examples to list. So I believe you are quite right in suggesting being careful of stating things as hard and fast fact, whether what we are writing about is pl memories or is the official history. All professions have dark characters, and birds of a feather....
 
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This belief that we.. the Egyptian came to the conclusion the Jews had become a military threat to us from my memories is nothing like what it was.. It makes a great foundation to the story of the exodus from Egypt.. I want you all to think about what I'm about to say.. Jews? I race never heard about in Ancient Egypt.. there was no such race of that name there..All of the beliefs about Judaism today did not exist back them
So any comparison of Jews today and any race that lived in Ancient Egypt is comply wrong and unfounded..Think about this.. If you are a 2nd.. 3rd...4th .. 5th or even more generation of the county you live in... were to your loyalties lie... with the county that has been the home of your family for generations or not?.. From my memories the myth about the exodus is .. those who it was claimed left Egypt were Egyptians not Jews.. they were Egyptians just as anyone today is who's family has lived in a country for generations.. This is important in understanding slavery in Ancient Egypt.. I'm certainly not saying there was a perfect system.. there were times when people were badly mistreated
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From what I have read, the Hyksos were the 'proto-Jews' and even then many wore the ringlet sidelocks that are worn by Hasidics today.
My understanding is that at that time and even later, they believed in a number of deities. Also that much of the various pagan beliefs were related to ancestors, animals, nature and astrology/astronomy and that this continued at least in part up to the time of 'Jesus'/yoshua. The Sun came out of Venus - the son was born of the maiden (later translation 'virgin'). A story that is represented also in other older beliefs. That he was born at the age of the fish, and died at the age of the lamb (e.g. the age of Aquarius truly begins in about a century from now). Both the fish and the lamb are referred to in relation to the New Testament.

In tel arad, there are two standing stones. One to YHWH, the other to his wife Ashteroth. He reputedly deserted her and their young son, Baal - who was Cronus in Greek. YHWH was a Caananite god, and by the sound of it 'only' another warlord king who was worshipped.
There were clever 'magicians' who could fool people that they could manage the inexplicable. For instance, Heron and his various devices such as the water into wine jug. Lol. Simple to us now, and even if we saw it for the first time we would know there must be a mechanism in the jug. Then though, people weren't commonly exposed to 'magic' tricks for entertainment as we are now, and if they worshipped a king or trusted a 'seer' it would have been sacrilage to touch and examine what they used, and almost treason to not totally trust them.

I have read only the synopsis of the book by Shlomo Sands, and he seems to say similar. 'Jews' is a relatively recent medieval word and concept. I suspect that the Christianity of Rome had much to do with creating the impression it was an ancient descriptive word for the Judahites and Israelites. Maybe Rome actually manufactured the word and it became put upon them as their identity, pushed upon them until it stuck.

However, in short I agree with you but again that is going by what I have read. That you remember that time and apparently so clearly is amazing.
Are all of your memories so clear?
 
Hi Angie,

I read up on the Hyksos invasion theory once upon a time. It seemed very reasonable to me at the time, though I haven't revisited it in quite a while. I also appreciate what you have said about the pre-Roman tribes of Briton (as I have substantial ancestry North as well as South of Hadrian's Wall). And, likewise, I often question the "Establishment" version of ancient history. Not always, but often enough.

Cordially,
S&S
 
John Tat said:
I forgot to answer Ophelia3"s question about looking similar to physical entities our spiritual selves once occupied..IMO there is no validity to this belief..There are many reasons I think that.. for example at least six times in my life someone has come up to me and started talking to me thinking I was someone.. they all said you look exactly like him.. I'm sure that has happened to many of us.. I'm a lot older than many on this forum.. when I was young I had a friend that everyone agreed was the spitting image of his father. Years later it turned who we thought was his father was not his father.. there are many more examples I could give of people who look alike.. It is possible people do bear a resemblance to someone from the past but its pure fantasy to think that means anything
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There are only so many configurations of the features of the human face. I tend to agree with you there.

This explains a lot of difficulty of establishing timelines http://thebridgelifeinthemix.info/h...e-14th-century/#sthash.JSF72lYu.9Wrjfc09.dpbs that it isn't always a case of 'muddying the waters' but that in historical times, writers and chronologers lacked our luxury of good fast communication. They very often never had access to and therefore didn't always have access to each others work, nor the work of all of their predecessors. Thus, they couldn't discuss between themselves to try to accurately establish timelines so one would record the rule of a leader and his peers to, say, 50BC, and a contempory or later writer would record the same ruler and peers at 150BC.
This is one explanation. There is another more dark explanation for establishing the Gregorian calender upon pain of death for those still using the more sensible Julian lunar calendar, and that is that the descendants of those who invaded Britain in particular but also other European countries, meaning the monarch, nobles and the clergy of the time, wanted to use the errors with timelines to their advantage, by adding approximately 1,000 years to their own histories as rulers and thus helping to consolidate their power by making it seem 'they had (mis)ruled for so very long that they somehow had gained the right to do so', and that it wouldn't be possible to put them and their thrones out back the way their invading ancestors had come. This latter though is more conjecture, but the timeline genuine errors due to lack of communication seems to be fact.

If you don't remember which Pharoah ruled, I guess it isn't what is important to you now.
 
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Hi Angie This also maybe of interest to baro-san.. I'm not going to go into this in great detail because I have talked about it extensively before.. I have had all of my life a problem comprehending complicated written words. as a result I have never been a student of many things especially history.. its all far to complicated for me to begin unraveling what people are talking about.. Even when you talk about the Hyksos I don't really understand.. The result of this is... I only have my memories.. that's all I can talk about .. which makes me appear single minded and have no considerations of others beliefs.. I cannot relate to many things people talk about because I know nothing about what they say.. In many of the discussions about many subjects it all gets far to complicated for me.. Like .. there were no Jews in Ancient Egypt..for me that is the beginning and the end.. that is how I remember it.. that's not complicated at all.. but people make it complicated but it isn't.... These types of things go on all the time..Trying to get a timeline on pharaohs that were there during my memories is difficult.. As I have said before I believe BB my spiritual self had many incarnations into Ancient Egypt
I'm beginning to have little doubt I/BB was around during the time of Ahmose I.. there are enough memories that go back to that time that makes me think that.. but many go back much further than that
I'm only doing this post to let you know how it is for me... The last thing I want is to appear arrogant and single minded.. That come across I know when my memories are different to what is being said and what others believe to be true. Its a lot easier not to say anything which I do more often than not..

All The Best
 
Ophelia3 said:
Addressing the elephant in the room.


It is very long but that is necessary. It's something that's plagued me for sometime! I need ideas, information and help as to how to address it, I feel like as much information as possible is necessary.



Ever since I could possibly remember, I've had this in depth connection with ancient Egypt. These feelings associated that I couldn't even begin to explain. This unprecedented affiliation. I forced my parents to an ancient Egyptian museum hosted in our capital, I took home a pamphlet that represented the life of ancient Egyptians and I was obsessed! I drew ants in a city that I created, I was fascinated with ants and civilisation beyond belief and creating cities. I used to work perilously under the sun to make my own "city" making pathways, I created an entire civilisation in my imagination and making maps, it was beyond normal. I even considered suicide when I was like 7-9 because I was of the irrational belief that it'd take me back in time, but I came to the conclusion that I'd engross myself with ancient history instead. Ancient Egypt always seemed to present itself, wherever I went there were exhibitions or anniversaries of discoveries. I remember as a kid I brought grapes out to a cubby house I had which was like an insula, and grape juice, imagining I was ancient Egyptian with wine and grapes sleeping at night on the roof, like that of the Egyptians. Til this day I'm an ancient Egyptian fanatic.


As a child, I also had another major affiliation, the sun. It's actually difficult to write out now. I've always suppressed connecting these two. I remember the moment I sat on a chair on my own under a tree and wondered what my conscience was and declared to myself as I raised my gaze, that it was the sun and from that moment onwards I basically had a friendship with this conscience that I believed was the sun. It sounds insane, I know and that's why when I hit thirteen that I realised that it wasn't true and it was such an ordeal to come to terms with, I still feel to this day that I lost a friend, in fact I have a sun tattoo and when I pray (no I'm not religious) I pray to the sun as I did as a child.


So life was hunky dory, I was fascinated by ancient Egypt and believed in the sun! But then, on the verge of realising that the sun wasn't my conscience I became abnormally obsessed with Tutankhamun, for a good solid 5 years!!! At which I started to experience sleep paralysis, I worked out at the onset of my sleep paralysis that I could kind of direct where I wanted my visions to go and obviously being obsessed with Tutankhamun I wanted them to go there... but they didn't, they went to Nefertiti, initially. Although Tutankhamun has a close filiation in modern history with Akhenaten and Nefertiti, they never really came across my mind, I think in a way I knew that Akhenaten had an affiliation with the sun and I didn't want to taint my love of ancient Egypt with that (but at last here we are lol!) so at the time it came to me as a shock that I had such a traumatic sleep paralysis vision associated with Nefertiti (which I discuss on my other thread). Little did I know that later that same year was I would travel to Berlin on the 100th anniversary that the bust of Nefertiti was discovered and visit the bust of Nefertiti, amongst other Amarna artefacts.


Then my interest kind of shifted from Tutankhamun to the Amarna period, but at this stage it wasn't overwhelming, I was just growing up. Then the following year I visited London, and had these weird premonition dreams in regards to Kiya and Akhenaten and the within these two years I experienced the wildest sleep paralysis/dream/vision in regards to these people, to the point I saw Meritaten (or so I do think, being viscously stabbed to death!) it was insane!


The dreams did stop, however my fascination with Amarna has been persistent.


This is the issue here, I love ancient Egypt, I could not physically let it go, all whilst I still have this affiliation with the sun, it symbolises so much for me, but because they both are so entwined with the Amarna period which I have an absolute fascination for, I suppress it, something I can't explain it! Something doesn't want me to associate the two!


When I reflect back as a child, when I wasn't aware of Akhenaten whatsoever but was affiliated very much so with the sun, so many things stand out to me, that would connect the two, for example what I wore, the fact that "the sun" told me that I was the best "believer" since this man the sun would always highlight who rode a ******* chariot, in the desert, under the sun, like what? Lol. Also toward the end of my affiliation "the sun" literally presented an idea of getting others to start believing and starting this new religion. Argh! This literally too much for me to even write let alone think about! I need to address this! I think it's holding me back in life, via relationships and many things. I want to do this healthily. Often when I try to address it, I get anxiety, I fall sick, I can't sleep, like I said, like something is angry that I've associated the two.


I don't know if I'm just being construsive, or if there's something actually going on, but I feel it's impacting my everyday life, if I am just being contrusive please give me some advice on how to help and if I'm not, like wise give me some ideas on how to address this issue and be free of it! It feels very much so entwined with karma.


Help! Please!

I'd like to consider myself a very logical person, and a very truthful person, none of which I have mentioned is false at all! I just really need help in addressing something that could possibly be spiritual.

Thanks in advance guys!
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I am not sure what you mean by 'construsive', and haven't been able to find a definition online.

I have read that there was some problems when sun worship only was brought in. Could it be due to that? An ambiguity maybe to do with torn loyalties? Or fear of physical, material, familial or spiritual punishment? Just a thought.
 
John Tat said:
Hi Angie This also maybe of interest to baro-san.. I'm not going to go into this in great detail because I have talked about it extensively before.. I have had all of my life a problem comprehending complicated written words. as a result I have never been a student of many things especially history.. its all far to complicated for me to begin unraveling what people are talking about.. Even when you talk about the Hyksos I don't really understand.. The result of this is... I only have my memories.. that's all I can talk about .. which makes me appear single minded and have no considerations of others beliefs.. I cannot relate to many things people talk about because I know nothing about what they say.. In many of the discussions about many subjects it all gets far to complicated for me.. Like .. there were no Jews in Ancient Egypt..for me that is the beginning and the end.. that is how I remember it.. that's not complicated at all.. but people make it complicated but it isn't.... These types of things go on all the time..Trying to get a timeline on pharaohs that were there during my memories is difficult.. As I have said before I believe BB my spiritual self had many incarnations into Ancient Egypt
I'm beginning to have little doubt I/BB was around during the time of Ahmose I.. there are enough memories that go back to that time that makes me think that.. but many go back much further than that
I'm only doing this post to let you know how it is for me... The last thing I want is to appear arrogant and single minded.. That come across I know when my memories are different to what is being said and what others believe to be true. Its a lot easier not to say anything which I do more often than not..

All The Best
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Thank you, John and I realised that I repeated myself about beliefs/astrology etc. I guess because right now I am very tired as just recovering from being quite ill (will be ok) and it slipped my mind that I had already previously written similar.

What you say makes perfect sense. Calendars then and there were lunar based, I think, and they were living in their present time - not looking back to ancient history through the fog of faulty records of the timelines of various Pharoahs, etc. No modern tech for fast communication nor msm news on which to fix. Only what you experienced first hand or maybe were told about (e.g. that a cousin married, a sister had a baby, a war might happen etc).
You don't come across as single minded, and the mental block on taking in information from our perspective today could simply be your subconcious wisely preventing your own memories from being contaminated and confused.

Again, I apologise (to you and everyone) for virtually repeating my earlier comment on beliefs. I have re-read and I come across as a bit of a tedious know-it-all, and don't mean to

Do you think there are particular things you need to resolve, or let go of? It's probably quite usual to have a number of pl's in the same country, I think. There is only a tiny bit of one life I recall where I was a bit darker, a sort of golden tan, in an ancient tribe in a ruined sort of 'city', somewhere. All my other pl memories have been in S E England and once in S Derbyshire. So we seem to often stick to one country and peoples for at least several lives. What you say there makes sense to me, anyway.
 
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John Tat said:
Hi Angie This also maybe of interest to baro-san.. I'm not going to go into this in great detail because I have talked about it extensively before.. I have had all of my life a problem comprehending complicated written words. as a result I have never been a student of many things especially history.. its all far to complicated for me to begin unraveling what people are talking about.. Even when you talk about the Hyksos I don't really understand.. The result of this is... I only have my memories.. that's all I can talk about .. which makes me appear single minded and have no considerations of others beliefs.. I cannot relate to many things people talk about because I know nothing about what they say.. In many of the discussions about many subjects it all gets far to complicated for me.. Like .. there were no Jews in Ancient Egypt..for me that is the beginning and the end.. that is how I remember it.. that's not complicated at all.. but people make it complicated but it isn't.... These types of things go on all the time..Trying to get a timeline on pharaohs that were there during my memories is difficult.. As I have said before I believe BB my spiritual self had many incarnations into Ancient Egypt
I'm beginning to have little doubt I/BB was around during the time of Ahmose I.. there are enough memories that go back to that time that makes me think that.. but many go back much further than that
I'm only doing this post to let you know how it is for me... The last thing I want is to appear arrogant and single minded.. That come across I know when my memories are different to what is being said and what others believe to be true. Its a lot easier not to say anything which I do more often than not..

All The Best
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Btw, you are correct that there were no 'Jews' at that time. It seems to be a word and identity from the middle ages. 'Jew' was inserted into 'holy' books and historical books from the middle ages, it seems.
 
SeaAndSky said:
Hi Angie,

I read up on the Hyksos invasion theory once upon a time. It seemed very reasonable to me at the time, though I haven't revisited it in quite a while. I also appreciate what you have said about the pre-Roman tribes of Briton (as I have substantial ancestry North as well as South of Hadrian's Wall). And, likewise, I often question the "Establishment" version of ancient history. Not always, but often enough.

Cordially,
S&S
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The Britons seem to have reached here via various routes, sometimes admixing along the way, but from the cradle of civilisation - ancient Iran, Assyria, Sumar etc by the EUphrates and the Tigris. Then to Egypt and beyond into other parts of Africa incl Sub Sahara, down from Egypt as far as N India where there are still a tiny few fair haired blue eyed folk (were a lot more when I was a child), as well as to what is now the Tarim Basin in China, and also into Central Europe where they became the Cuman and other Proto-Slavs, as well as to S Europe then some converged again in these isles, many admixed by then so no longer appeared quite so similar.
Human history is quite fascinating.
 
Hi Angie.. No there is nothing for me/BB to resolve or let go off.. That may sound strange/ arrogant but its a fact .. I read all of the posts about being on journey of learning and compassion..That's not how it is for BB/me... that's one of the reasons I/BB have nothing to resolve or let go off.. BB is on a mission...he has no regrets about anything he has done.. both good and bad.. just as he will not in future incarnations either... It's hard for me to understand many things people talk about previous incarnations of there spiritual selves..Mine are not so complicated and/or emotional
 
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