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I was wondering what people's thought are on
this topic. I placed it here because it came
to my mind when thinking about my children.

After my youngest child remembered a past
life he brought it up sometimes for a couple
of years, until his fifth birthday. One day,
while I was taking them to a medical appt.,
he brought it up again.

Apparently, he brought it up when I wasn't
around because his older brother (by 15 mos)
was immediately annoyed. They argued with
my older son insisting it wasn't true and it
was made up.

"I remember before I got born too!" he told
his brother, "It was all black. There was
nothing! There was no me. I wasn't anywhere!
Then I was there but it was black and then I
got born! Its my only time!"

Only time. First time? A new soul? I do not
subscribe to the idea that new people who
are retarded are all new souls. I don't think
intelligence is the issue unless there is a
lesson to be learned. I don't think people
who are insane or sociopathic are new souls.
I wouldn't assume any of them were, not
necessarily. Could be. Maybe not.

I don't know what a new soul might be like. I
know my son is an honor student, felt a
strong need for a spiritual life but it was
not reincarnation. He became a Methodist like
his grandparents and is remarkably devout for
a teenage boy who is also popular, easy-going
and athletic.

Maybe he isn't a new soul and is just someone
who has no past life memories or represses
them. I don't think so. I think he was quite
honest in what he related. He had no reason
not to be and he wasn't quite 4 and a half.

I don't know. Perhaps others have had a simi-
lar experience or have some thoughts on the
subject. What do you think?
 
Kat,

This is very interesting.
However one could argue that since your son *remembers* "the black," that there *was* in fact, a "him."
Perhaps he's remembering before creation. There was black, but if I can remember it, then I *did* exist.
Or he could be confusing it---he could be really recalling the womb, or the birth canal.
That's all my thoughts for now.

Peace,
DJ
 
From all of the books I've read about the process and meaning of reincarnation, I've come to view it like this--We are all One, connected parts of God and we choose to incarnate and forget who we really are in order to experience who we want to be. Refer to Conversations with God by Neale Donald Walsch. It is explained very well in this trilogy. Our awareness/consciousness becomes very limited in what we can perceive i.e. the fall. So we spend lifetimes trying to remember our true identity-our connectedness with God. After we ascend "all the way back to our origin", we start over. It is at this point, I believe, that one could be called a new soul. In truth, we are all the same "age". Just at different levels on the same path. And so this cycle of rememberance and forgetfulness goes on.
 
To DJ,

Thats a good thought! It's why I wondered. He
said he remembered before he was born, first
he was nowhere and it was black.
I was thinking in terms of a soul's first
awareness of existence before birth. It just
seemed to me that at some point somewhere no
matter how far you have to go back, we did
not exist at all.
Ofcourse, I have to admit I don't know and I
don't think anybody else does either but it
is interesting to speculate and wonder. That
is the point of asking what other people
think on the subject. Thank you for you in-
put.

To Lightseeker,

I have to say, Wow! Over the past quarter
century, I've read many ideas about reincar-
nation. Most of the time, people feel (or
just hope) that once their souls have learned
the human lesson on Earth that their
souls will somehow move on and people often
call that a higher plane of existence, some
new existence where there are entirely new
things to learn and experience. I never did
develop a belief about it but a reward of
some kind would be nice.

I think I'd be disappointed if the whole idea
was to go through all of this only to have
the accomplishment wiped away and have to
start over again. Am I missing the point of
the theory?
I'm starting to have silly thoughts about
registering a complaint with the home office:

On behalf of my fellow souls who have lived
you don't want to know HOW many lives on that
ball of dirt, I really think we should be
rewarded. You know a gold watch, a nice ban-
quet, a swanky plaque to put on the wall
...heh, a pat on the back would be nice but NO, we just get our memories wiped and have
to start all over again.

Really, I AM NOT making fun of you or of what
you wrote. I blame these silly episodes on
my Jewish upbringing and also because it is
4:15 of the morning and I'm tired.

On a serious note, I have come across the
belief of being one with God. Its a very
common belief in and of itself in most if
not all established religious faiths. In
reincarnation, some people I've come across have talked or written about their belief
that when they "ascend", they will Become
One With the Light.

You said we forget who we really are, do
you mean who we are as a part of God? Well,
then, what is God?

To me this is complex. We do this in order
to experience who we want to be? Why would
we want to do that at all in the first place?
I mean, why would we want to be something
other than what we were? Whats the motivation
for that? Did we all decide this together one
"day" or...ah, we wouldn't remember would we?

I definantly agree with the part that our
human physical existence is very limited in
what we can perceive. That makes it darn
difficult to be sure that any theory is
correct or not. We are always and forever on
shaky ground.

Okay, now we're here but not learning lessons
like I believe and I guess not so we can ex-
perience who we want to be anymore. Now,
we're trying to remember who we were? Boy, the piece of God who convinced the rest of us
pieces to do this should have known that if
you can't find what you want in your own
backyard, you probably never lost it in the
first place. We shouldn't have listened.

Hmm....guess, I oughta read the books, right?
Then I can understand. I also shouldn't write
posts in the wee, wee hours of the morning.
It isn't that I really think its funny. It is
just that under certain circumstances, I can
find funny stuff in everything everywhere.

I'd like to read the books just so I can
understand why the theory might all be a
good thing.

Thank You, Kat
 
Kat et al,

It could be that both theories are valid. I sort of subscribe to the belief that we create our own realities, and if that's so, then this one now may not be the only possible reality, and there may be many ways of exploring the potential of creation. Taking on human form and living on this 'ball of dirt' may be only one step on a path to attaining unity with the source (whatever we elect to call that source).

Perhaps your son *is* experiencing his first human existence. That may explain why he has such a penchant for a very structured type of religious experience. I think it's something that all souls should experience.

He may also have chosen to *not* remember a previous life so that he could approach a lesson with an open mind -- or soul. It's fortunate for him, now matter which is the case (or something totally different yet), that he has someone who is knowledgeable enough to allow him to seek his own path. And make us all pause to re-evaluate how/what we believe in the meantime!

Diane
 
Hello Kat et al~

This is unrelated, yet related, so bear with me.

I saw the spirits of my children before they were born, and they were quite diverse. My eldest is familial... probably my great-grandfather in her past life. I share many similar traits with his daughter---my grandmother--- and my oldest daughter and I do have sort of reversed roles at times.

My middle child came after I was visited by a very agitated island woman of African descent. So far, everything about my little munchkin echoes that 'dream'.

My youngest was preceded by a dream-not-dream of the strangest creature of all. It seemed not male nor female, and it just glided around the house looking in on us. My son is the prettiest little thing (he could easily pass for a girl) and reminds me very much of the angel-being that visited. It didn't seem like something that lived around here, ever! It was really more like an angel or an extra terrestrial. Very odd. My son is a peach and quite otherworldly, so who knows?

The other thing is that I don't believe my husband and I ever shared lifetimes before. He is utterly foreign to me. I know what it feels like to be with someone you have been with before... my sister and I have been everything to each other at one time or another. Anyone else marry someone "new" to them? Just curious.



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Be Blessed

Moonbeam
 
Diane,
I've discussed this "other reality" thing
with my therapist, and she thinks that every-
one lives in his or her own reality all of
the time. We use language (body and verbal)
to connect with each other. Physicists have
found solid scientific evidence of this too
which is really fascinating to me but only
because physics is a hobby of mine and I'll just try hard to keep that stuff to myself.

Anywhooo, you could be right about my son too
and I've thought about it. My own experience
tells me that between my life as Francis and
my present life, I lived a number of lives
that taught me:
1) What it is to lose someone you love dearly
2) What it is to lose your own life when it
was filled with such promise for the future
3) What it is to have a loving and supportive
family and friends irregardless of what you
choose to do with your life (no, not be a
criminal)

It was obvious that during none of those
lives did I ever have any past life beliefs
or memories. I was allowed to experience
these positive potentials unfettered from
past excess baggage. Each of those lives
spoke so eloquently and lovingly to my
soul of what could be.

So, yes, I see your point. It could be that
he is living a life devoid of any past life
memories for some specific purpose. He could
also be following some inner compulsion for
religion as a structure because he has lived
before as much because he might not have.

I suppose there wouldn't be any real way we
could ever tell but I do think at some time,
no matter how far back anyone chooses to go,
there must have been a beginning. At the
same time, each person (or soul's) beginning
is the earliest awareness of his own
existence.

Because of my interest in both physics and
spirituality, I've tried to take my thoughts
into space and out, farther and farther and
farther and I wondered...was there ever a
time when everything was NOT ?

Thank you for your input,
Kat
 
Dear Moonbeam,

One of those times when you read a post and
it reminds you strongly of something not
quite related but it IS related. Boy, can I
relate! rflol!

I dreamed about three of my fours sons before
they were born too. I also had dreams about
their futures in adulthood and two of those
dreams have happened so far. Still, there is
an oft repeated litany in my home about mom's
precog, "Nothing is written in stone."

I also think mother's can feel a very close
connection to their children, even if these
children are "spiritual strangers". After my
grandmother told me about core mates, second
circle, and third circle, I wondered if I
had even met all of mine yet.

I had other worldly dreams about my second
son too. My therapist said it was possible
the other worldly setting and psychic sensa-
tions were symbols of our child's character
or personality, his or her emotional make
up and not to be taken literally. She just
takes all the fun out of everything! I know
she could be right but its fun to wonder too.

Married to a spiritual stranger? That brings
me back to wondering if I've met all of my
core, second, and third circle mates yets. I
have especially sensed that with one of my
sisters and with my second son but then he
was so close physically to me in this life
because I carried him and nursed and nurtured
him. I decided he was a soul for which
a connection has been made. Is that the sort
of thing you think happened with your hus-
band, making a new connection between souls?
someone you'd never met in a past life, not
until this one? Any ideas on why this life
might be a good one for that?

I have to ask you something ever since I had
a dream three nights ago. I am SO tempted to
point you in the right direction but I will
refrain. Its really important that your an-
swer is untainted by hints so~

Do any of the following names mean anything
to you:

Peter? Ramona? Taylor? Genevieve?

I may have more questions later, depending
on your answer. If they don't mean anything
to you at all, thats fine. I'll tell you
why no matter what you say.

My Regards, Kat
 
Hey Kat,

Have you read any of Gary Zukav's stuff, like The Dancing Wu Li Masters or his new book, Soul Stories? I'm sure you are familiar with him, but if not, here is a link to his page. By the way, he is taking stories from us regular folk for future publication... stories of syncronicity, etc.


Anyway, Genevieve strikes a chord, but I don't know why. To a lesser extent, so does Peter. Again, not really sure why.

Tell me more about core/second/third circle mates! If you already have talked about that on this forum somewhere, point me to it! I have a very close relationship with one of my sisters and we just know we have been everything to each other at one time or another. Mother/child/mate/enemy/friend, you name it, we have probably lived it together at one time. This life as sisters seems to be like a reward in a way, for learning how to love another so well. Astrologically, our compatibility quotient is extraordinarily high... very few people score as high as we do.

Yes, I think my relationship with my husbnad is the result of a new connection. Frankly, I think he belongs to my father somehow, and that maybe we were destined to meet eventually because of the connectionn between my father and myself and my father and him. My relationship with my father has healed tremendously as a direct result of my relationship with my husband.

I know what you mean about therapists taking all the fun out of stuff. I don't have a therapist, but i have trained (not completely--I have a long way to go but am taking a break to raise babies) in part to become one, and I always ask myself the same logical, analytical questions, just to keep myself balanced! That's the fun of being a Pisces with Virgo Rising!

More later


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Be Blessed

Moonbeam
 
Dear Moonbeam,

I didn't expect you to find Ramona or Taylor
familiar but I had reason to believe you
might find Peter and especially Genevieve
familiar. When I read your response and it
was exactly as I had expected (well, what is
between hope and expect?), I thought, "That
is SO terrific!"

Your posts kept reminding me of something and
of someone quite strongly. A few days ago, I
thought I knew who and still I pondered the
issue. I finally decided to ask you about
these names.

What I hope now is that you might find the
time, even if it is after you settle down
for the night, to allow the familiarity you
sense to engage your mind. Take your time.
Don't feel there is any need to rush. I do
not even want to point you in any particular
direction about what might come to you.

In addition, I have two phrases and no medi-
tating or anything required. Again, they may
or may not seem familiar or strike any chord.
They may be completely unfamiliar at first so
don't be quick to respond on them but you do
not have to give them concious thought after
you first read them:

"It's about greed."

"....die off."

About the Core or First, Second, and Third
Souls, I wrote up a description of them, as
much as I know, under Everything Else even
though it is about reincarnation. It would
be interesting if others have some thoughts
on how that worked too.

I hadn't been to Gary's site. I did have a
copy of his book, "Thoughts from the Seat of
the Soul" which I took with me on a stay in
the hospital where it disappeared. I guess
someone felt they needed it more than I did.
I had finished reading it and that explains
why his name was familiar.

My youngest son would just love "The Dancing
Wu Li Masters". I enjoy the math in physics
and read what others consider the dry stuff
for fun but enough of that. I recently bought
him Richard Bach's book, "Jonathon Livingston
Sea Gull" (not sure if I got that right but I
think you probably heard about it). I give it
to each of my sons about the same age. Think
I'll get Gary's book for him next. Thanks.

Off to Everything Else, Kat
 
Kat-

Sorry if my explaination was too vague. I was trying to sum up something that can be quite complex and maybe give you something to consider. In doing so, I also left out a lot
of things in between.

I do believe there is a reward in the process- that being "the lesson" learned/remebered. I feel that lesson is about love.

To clear things up a bit, memories are forgotten for many reasons. I think the most important being so one can reexperience things and have a chance to choose a more loving way of "being". I guess as a test of growth that we give to ourselves.

On the higher planes of existence, we remember everything and we are connected to that part of ourselves constantly. It's only here that we forget and there that we experience the rewards most intensely. However, we ARE starting to remember parts of other lives, and I think that is a sign of growth. It's not just a handful of people either.

You asked,
"You said we forget who we really are, do
you mean who we are as a part of God? Well,then, what is God?"
To this I would say Yes and God is whatever YOU think He/She is. Only you can decide that and it will determine how you live and experience your life and relationship with God.

This might help: (from Conversations with God I)
"In the beginning, that which Is is all there was, and there was nothing else. Yet All That Is could not know itself-because All That Is is all there was, and there was nothing else.And so All That Is...was not. For in the absence of something else, All That Is, is not.
This is the great Is/Not Is to which mystics have referred from the beginning of time.
Now All That Is knew it was all there was-but this was not enough, for it could only know itself conceptually, not experientially. Yet the experience of itself is that for which it longed, for it wanted to know what it felt like to be so magnificent. Still, this was impossible, because the very term "magnificent" is a relative term. All That Is could not know what it felt like to be magnificent unless that which is not showed up. In the absence of that which is not, that which is, is not.....
It realized it would have to use a reference point within.....
It reasoned, quite correctly, that any portion of itself would necessarily have to be less that the whole, and that if It thus simply divided Itself into portions, each portion, being less that the whole, could look back on the rest of Itself and see magnificence."

And that's just the beginning! It is an AWESOME book. I totally recommend to everyone

Kat,I take no offense from your response and views. Actually, I warmly welcome them. Other views help me to piece my thoughts together and see what beliefs aren't serving me anymore, so I can "delete" them. Thank you

The reason we are all here is because we CHOSE to be.

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Kat-

THIS IS STRANGE AND EXCITING!!! And that's why I have to tell you what happened when I submitted my last message.

The last statement was moved. I DID NOT place it last! I typed it near the beginning of the message (NO JOKE). Maybe that has some significence to you. It FREAKED me out.

Just wanted to let you know!

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It is very possible that your son is experiencing his first incarnation on earth. That does not mean he is spiritually unevolved though. Many souls choose to do a lot of their growth "over there" where there are not so many barriers and you feel infinitly loved and cared for. Earth is the most painful place to learn, but also the place with the greatest potential for growth.

"Retarded" people are NOT unevolved souls who are "new". There is no such thing as a "new" soul. All souls were created at once, from One. A "retarded" person, in many cases, is a very evloved soul who sacrifices many things in life so that others may experience and learn lessons that they would otherwise not be able to learn. A truely noble and loving soul indeed! In fact, many, many people with "Downed Syndrome" come into life simply to express Love! You can instantly feel the Love radiating from them. If that is not a hallmark of an evolved soul, what is?

Warmest Regards,

Peter
 
Peter,

It might be more accurate to say that this is what you believe rather than this is what is true.

How much actual experience with people who have DS do you have? Spend a decade or so as I did working with Special Olympics and DS people, not just children, but teens and adults with DS. There is far more to a DS personality than just a loving nature.

Kat
 
Your right, that is what I believe. And that is based on my experience with "them" as well.

Of course there are many aspects to their personality. In general, they are very happy and loving people. Perhaps many of those in the "Special Olympics" are there for other reasons than simply enjoying it?

We never have the right to judge another person's level of spiritual development. Unless we are total enlightened beings (and if we were, we would not be here) it is impossible for us to know. A "bum" sitting down on the street corner may be a highly developed soul having the last experience he needs before he can move on into higher states of awareness and consciousness. Is it then our right to try and "help" him by feeling sorry for him and giving money, or is it for the better good if he has the experience he requires? I'm not saying don't help people, I'm just saying we never know who is highly developed and who is less aware of their divinity.

Then again, it's only my belief.
 
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