A story from India

[binzy]

Hello everyone,

I'm new here and thought I'd post a curious story that appeared in a leading daily this morning.

NEW DELHI: It was almost like living a miracle for a Gujjar family based in south Delhi—a four-year-old angel called Manisha walked into their arms on the shraddh of their daughter who died about five years ago.

Manisha, the little girl, claimed that she was their deceased daughter Suman, who had died of typhoid at the age of 15 on December 14, 2000.

The infant, who apparently has vivid memories of her last birth, took to her "past-life parents" as her own.

"She ran into our arms when she saw us. She pointed to me and said voh nahi yeh mere papa hai ," (Translation: HE is my real father!) says Chaudhary Kamal Singh, her father of the last birth.

The family have removed the garland that adorned Suman"s photograph in their living room and are ecstatic.

The little girl is now living with her "new" parents and they are a big happy family.

Manisha was born to Rampal and Khilli Devi in a little village called Milakpur near Alwar, Rajasthan. At the age of two, just the time that she learnt how to speak, she apparently told her parents that she was Suman and not Manisha.

" Voh kehti thi mera naam Suman hai, Manisha mat bolo ," (Translation: She says, "My name is Suman, don't call me Manisha.") says Khilli Devi, the mother she was born to in this birth.

As she grew older, she apparently started recollecting more about her past birth and told her "new"" parents that her father"s name was Kamal and her mother was Santosh.

"She told us that she stayed in a threestoreyed house located near a Kamal mandir with three brothers.

She would tell us colours of her school belt and tie—we couldn't understand her since she had not even started going to school then. She said she had died of typhoid," said Mallo, her grandmother of "this birth".

The news about the girl spread in the neighbouring villages and she got to her "old" parents through some relatives who live in two villages in Rajasthan—Tejara and Tihli—which are about 30 km apart.

Kamal said, "Someone told us that there is this little girl who could be our Suman since a lot of details she gave about her past life matched with us. I went to their village and she just ran into my arms calling me papa."

You can view the article online at: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1251545.cms

Namaste
Binzy.

 

[Ailish]

Hi binzy,

Welcome to the forum! What a wonderfully fascinating story! :thumbsup: Thank you so much for sharing it with us! Please keep us posted if you hear anything more on Suman/Manisha's story!



Ailish

 

[Liz O'C]

Welcome to the forum!

This really makes you wonder how much more of this we'd hear about in the states if we were a little more open to it as the people in this story are.

It also drives home the point that we are blessed to spend time with each other but in no way do we have a "claim" on a person merely because they are a member of our family. Having given birth to a child, I would find it very difficult to allow that child to leave us the way this family did. How would others respnd to this situation? Could you allow your child to go where they were most happy? Is it the best thing for them?
Ultimately, our children grow up and out and then we will see if they choose to maintain a relationship with us or not.

 

[Ailish]

Hiya Liz

. I would find it very difficult to allow that child to leave us the way this family did. How would others respnd to this situation? Could you allow your child to go where they were most happy? Is it the best thing for them?

You ask some good questions! I was wondering the same thing myself when I read Manisha's story...how could her parents just let her go?

Personally, if it were my child, I don't think that I could allow her to go live with strangers, regardless if SHE knew them from a past life or not. To me, the other parents would still be strangers and that little girl would still be my daughter in this incarnation and therefore my responsibility.

I don't think it's healthy for the little girl to be raised to be who she was before, nor is it healthy for the past life parents to expect that of her. It's nice for them to know that not all was lost when Suman died, and that she went on to live again in Manisha. Manisha is here for a different purpose now. She has a different family. I think the birthparents need to tell her that, and to raise their child. Just my opinion

Ailish

 

[Eevee]

I agree with Ailish, these were exactly my thoughts when I read the story. It may be wonderful for the former parents to know that the sould of their deceased daughter returned, but she was born to different parents now, with different family members, friends and neighbours. I don't think the reason she was born into that family was to go live with the former family again. I would assume keeping in touch would be no harm, but the girl is Manisha now. There must be a bond with her present life family also, which should not be neglected and IMO be regarded as more important than the bond with her PL family. Manisha's life should be an new start and not a continuance of her former life.

 

[jochem]

Hiya Liz



You ask some good questions! I was wondering the same thing myself when I read Manisha's story...how could her parents just let her go?

Personally, if it were my child, I don't think that I could allow her to go live with strangers, regardless if SHE knew them from a past life or not. To me, the other parents would still be strangers and that little girl would still be my daughter in this incarnation and therefore my responsibility.

I don't think it's healthy for the little girl to be raised to be who she was before, nor is it healthy for the past life parents to expect that of her. It's nice for them to know that not all was lost when Suman died, and that she went on to live again in Manisha. Manisha is here for a different purpose now. She has a different family. I think the birthparents need to tell her that, and to raise their child. Just my opinion

Ailish

But if Manisha found her former parents... couldn't that have been destined or not?? I mean, of course we can say that it is not good because she has a different purpose in life, but why then did she have to meet her former parents again???? Thats only very confusing for her????!

 

[Ailish]

Hiya jochem,

But if Manisha found her former parents... couldn't that have been destined or not?? I mean, of course we can say that it is not good because she has a different purpose in life, but why then did she have to meet her former parents again???? Thats only very confusing for her????!

Key words...former parents I don't believe it was destined. I believe that create the circumstances that we are born into by the choices that we make everyday. It was simply a little girl remembering a past life. I agree that it must be very confusing for her. She WAS Suman then, but she IS Manisha now. She has to learn to live as Manisha now, because she IS a different child. Encouraging her to live as Suman is only causing a greater confusion for her. Her birthparents need to explain the situation, and to have her live as Manisha.

As to why she met her former parents again...I honestly have no idea. Perhaps it was to show them that all was not lost when Suman died. Their daughter will always live on.


Ailish

 

[kris0503]

The newspaper story refers to her current birth parents as "new" parents. That's how I read it. I realize the article is not very clear and the confusion is understandable but I think this para makes it clear:

As she grew older, she apparently started recollecting more about her past birth and told her "new"" parents that her father's name was Kamal and her mother was Santosh.

 

[Chelle]

That's how I read it too. Her "new" parents, meaning birth parents in this life, versus "past life parents".

Welcome to the forum Binzy. That was a really interesting article.

 

[Sita Devi]

Krsna

Hi binzy,

Welcome to the forum! What a wonderfully fascinating story! :thumbsup: Thank you so much for sharing it with us! Please keep us posted if you hear anything more on Suman/Manisha's story!



Ailish

In Bhagavad Gita Krsna states to His dear friend Arjuna, " Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these Kings, nor in the future shall we ever cease to be". I enjoyed the article, thanks for sharing it.
your well wisher,
Sita Devi

 

[kris0503]

Bhagavad Gita

Sita Devi, I have quoted that verse in this forum more times than I can remember, but it sounds even sweeter when someone named Sita Devi quotes it. What a wonderful blessing it must be to be named Sita Devi.

 

[binzy]

Suman or Manisha

Thank you for being so friendly, and you're most welcome! I'm aware that this is the one place where this story will be appreciated. Will definitely keep you posted if I read or hear anything more on this :thumbsup:

About the "new" parents coming to live with the "old" ones, in their place (although there really is no way I can imagine this happening with my son) I would not suggest this or do it, not ever.... but wouldn't maintaining contact with the old family would be actually necessary since the very purpose of his/her reincarnation is unresolved karmic debts?

I do wonder, though.... since the reincarnated soul has not yet learned the important lesson of letting go and so came back with all its memories and attachments intact - is it not equally important that this lesson be learned in this lifetime? Can that really happen with your old family around you all the time, and with your own refusal to accept your new identity? It's a bit confusing :butbut:

Of course, in this case it is likely that this marriage of convenience came about because the new parents are not as well off as the old ones. I shudder to think of the kind of complications and insecurities that could arise from this kind of arrangement in the future. Well, good luck to them.