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Crusader past lives?

Spiegel

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Hi all!

I am looking for fellow crusaders and/or residents of the Holy Roman Empire. Lately I have been remembering fragments of what I think are the 2nd, 3rd and 6th crusades across two lifetimes, and want to see if anyone remembers also.

The Second Crusade is the one I recall the most clearly. I was in the German army, at one point we had a very long, miserable and hungry march through the wasteland (where there were no villages and no food). Walking along a narrow road besides a sandstone cliff towards a coastal town. Arriving in Constantinople. Standing in a plaza in Ephesus(?) in awe, because of the "holy" history of the land beneath my feet, it was a great privelege to be able to go to places mentioned in the Bible. Sailing to Constantinople on a wooden ship. I remember surprisingly little fighting, mostly just the muddy campsites, meeting tents and marching. The relief of finally arriving at the aforementioned coastal town after weeks of being ambushed by enemy riders. I'm still trying to identify the location and dates of my memories.
 
It seems the German part of the 2nd Crusade is rather lacking in terms of unbiased historical sources (no thanks to Byzantine and French propaganda), and modern books about it are few and far between (I had to call up my university to buy a copy for me). For this reason, I shall share my research and memories on this thread. Perhaps someone will find it useful, and again, please reply if you have any similar experiences :D

Today I started reading a book called The Crusade of King Conrad III of Germany (Jason T. Roche). It seemed promising, I expected to find maps, itineries, statistics and useful things like that, and I did, but I was rather unpleasantly surprised by the second page of the introduction. Apparently 19th century historians considered Conrad a "weak and vacillating" king, that Byzantine emperor Manuel I betrayed or sabotaged the Germans, that Otto of Freising led an escape attempt, etc, wait what? This doesn't sound right...

This book claims to address these historiographical views and to provide a new interpretation. However I don't want to contaminate my memories with either favourable or unfavourable analyses, so I I'll only read the parts about the who, what and when, leaving the chapters of analysis for later, for verification.
 
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I got to the fourth page of the intro, where it says:

Although sometimes described as brave, chivalrous and friendly, the man [Conrad] was universally vilified as a vacillating, poorly educated "weak" character and accused of leaving the German realm in a weakened state upon his death in 1152.
Hoo boy, this is where it gets personal. Strap in for a rant.

Conrad was brave and chivalrous, yes, but "friendly" is a bit of a stretch. "Friendly to those who had his trust" is a better way to put it. He was a reserved man, naturally skeptical, so he'd hold you at arm's length and placate you with amiable words until he got a better judge of your character. This might be where the "friendly" description comes from, Conrad was a skilled diplomat when it suited him. The jokes and smiles could disappear on an instant however, if he detected any trace of underhandedness or deceit,* then his anger was swift and terrible.

*Therefore I find the accusations that Manuel betrayed the German crusaders to be rather far-fetched.

Once you cracked through the standoffish exterior, which few seldom did, then you'd earn his undying loyalty. Thus, my father and he were unseparable, despite their many differences. Perhaps the story of the Siege of Weinsberg, which for the record is real, illustrates their personalities the best. Excerpt from Wikipedia:

The year of our Lord 1140. The king [Conrad] besieged the city of the duke Welf [VI] of Bavaria, which was called Weinsberg, and accepted its surrender, having granted with royal magnanimity permission to the wives and other women found there that they might take with them whatever they could carry on their shoulders. Taking thought both for their loyalty for their husbands and the safety of the others, they disregarded their household goods and came down carrying the men on their shoulders. When Duke Friedrich said that such things should not happen, the king, showing favour to the women's cunning, said that it would not be fitting to change his royal word. - Kölner Königschronik

Neither of them had been expecting that, and when my father the Duke Friedrich told me the story afterwards he made sure to emphasise how "irrational" and "crazy" Conrad was (with the fondness of a long-suffering brother). But Conrad did as Conrad pleased, and what others saw as insanity, Conrad considered ingenious. Thus having let some men escape, even those who couldn't find someone to carry them, he seized the wealth of the town while bolstering his reputation as an honourable king.

He also had a morbid sense of humour. Upon his deathbed and after surprising us with his last minute change of succession, he grumbled at our goldfish impressions. "Stop watching me die! Get out there and do something useful," he implored us (i.e. the Bishop and I). For him, the humiliation of lying in bed, too weak to move a muscle, was as agonising as the malaria fever itself, but neither could tame his spirit or dampen his humour. Although he was too proud to say it, I could see in his eyes that he was grateful I ignored his pointed jest and stayed by his side until the end.

Conrad was many things, but a "vacillating, poorly educated and 'weak' character" was not one. In contrast, he was probably one of the most strong-willed people I knew, second to perhaps only my cousin Henry. Once Conrad set his eye on something, for it was impossible to force him to do something he didn't want to, he would pursue it to the end. In the same way, he wasn't "vacillating" and undecisive, but rather, spontaneous. When he took the cross at Bernard of Clairvaux's preaching, it seemed very spontaneous to me, and my father rolled his eyes in derision (perhaps his thoughts were "there he goes again, crazy Conrad and his crazy ideas"). When we confronted him about it later, surprise surprise, he'd been planning it for weeks and even had pros and cons lined up for every objection my father had.

The same process must have occurred through Conrad's mind when he decided to appoint me his designated heir the day he died, for various reasons outside the scope of this post. "Crazy Conrad" he was not, as much as my father liked to insist, but hasty and ill-timed he was on occasion. It would've been wiser to announce the succession change to more than just the bishop and I (his intended successor), but that's Uncle Conrad for you. His ideas were brilliant but not always well thought out.

When I was young, he seemed terrifying and aggressive. I blamed him for stealing my father's throne, and loathed him for his shrewd eye and calculating impassiveness. When he deprived (someone) of (some county) I had the nerve to join the uprising against Conrad, believing him to have unjustly taken it away. I need to look up the details of this incident because it's rather fuzzy, but I found out much later that it was a very embarrassing misunderstanding on my part. After several more incidents like that, my father gave me a talking to (I was grounded) and clued me into the family schemes.

It took a while for me to digest this new relevation, that Uncle Conrad had not "stolen the throne", "unjustly" done many things, and that all my resistance against him was poorly informed (to which I asked them, why didn't you tell me earlier?). Oops. I'm lucky Conrad saw my acts of rebellion as merely the rash deeds of an inexperienced young prince, and not outright treason, but he must have thought me very dodgy. He forgave me, but it wasn't until partway through the Second Crusade that I earned his respect.

I miss him a lot.

I've gotten off track, that was a bit long-winded, but I care for the man a lot and felt the need to provide my own point of view. So yeah, as I read through the itinery (skipping the analysis chapters), I'll provide a running commentary on my memories and perspective here.
 
I just got through writing down what I thought were all my “memories.” Then I saw this post. Not sure if a crusader past life, but I did recall a very vivid dream where I had this weird book and the title was something weird like Wexellum Orodontes. I don’t know what it means, if anything. It was a hand written book, not a proper medieval book done by scribes, but cheaply and in a messy hand. It had crude illustrations of torture. We were in a stone building, and underground and we had Muslim prisoners. We were making them run back and forth across a room and they were huffing and puffing, looking scared, and others we had suspended from ropes in some way as to cause pain. Definitely felt it was the middle ages, but did not really think about the crusades until I saw your post. It was a nasty dream. I remember thinking this book was cursed by the Devil and it scared me badly. One of the weirdest I ever had. I was in another dream honoured to be riding beside a knight and the head of a large group of soldiers on horseback while carrying a banner on a lance or spear. He said to come with him and I was full of joy. We were on a dirt road lined with trees and villagers were cheering for us as our entourage rode past.
 
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