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I think Jeffrey knew me before this lifetime.

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barbara

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Jeffrey is a baby I kept from the time he was 4 1/2 months old until he was 4 yrs old. His dad was a cop and mom a police dispatcher. They worked at night and would drop Jeffrey off at my apartment at10pm and pick him up at 6am. I always held him and hugged him and said "Jeffrey, you're so sweet, where do you come from?" I believe in reincarnation and believe babies choose their parents between lifetimes. Anyway, as he got older, 1-2 years, I would tell him again how sweet he was and "where do you come from". When he was older 2 1/2, he would say "the 'tor" and I thought he was saying "the store." When he was almost 3, we were lying on the floor talking, and I said "You're so sweet, where do you come from?" Again, he said the tor, and I said "the store!?" and he said "no, the tor!
(he got very emphatic)and he sat up and looked at me with disbelief and said "Don't you remember?" I said something like, well, sort of, in a way. He said "Remember, I had a real mean daddy--not the daddy I have now (who he loved dearly) but the other daddy, and you came and got me and took me with you." And then he added, somewhat shyly, "and I was a girl then." Well, it shocked me, because I have always felt that I had been a nun or nurse in a previous lifetime, because when I was little I never threw away a broken doll, but put them in a "hospital" or I played like I ran an "orphan's home." I asked Jeffrey, "Were there some other children there too?" and he said "yes" and that was the end of that conversation. I looked up "tor" and it is a "craggy cliff" so no telling where it was. Jeff's mom and dad DEFINITELY dont believe in reincarnation so obviously I never told them the story. But his mom wasnt going to go back to work unless I could babysit, so I think Jeff chose his mom and dad partly because he knew I would be taking care of him for 4 years. He is 16 now, and I have never spoken of this to him.
This post is rather long, so I will stop, but there were 2 more instances I will tell about later. Do you think your baby chose you for this lifetime? I have heard that adopted children knew they would be adopted and chose to be born to someone who would adopt them out and they would be with the people they wanted to be with. Has anyone heard that? Thanks

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barbara
 
I have heard of that before Barbra, and your story is very interesting. Thanks for sharing! Hope you're having a great day, and welcome to the forum as well Take Care, -Kathy.
 
Thanks cathy for responding. I really like this site. Would you mind if I pass it around? I go into Yahoo! on line chats about children and some of the problems people ask (usually Tuesday, Dr Ava) have something to do with children talking about "imaginary" things, places they have been, playmates, etc. The psychologist has never mentioned that the child is experiencing a pastlife memory, but says its just an over-active imagination. The people in the room make chat comments to each other, and they usually say their children are "lying", or making things up, and either the parents ignore them or tell them to stop talking like that. They might understand what their children are experiencing if they read this site for learning. Thanks.

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barbara
 
Hi Barbra, it would be wonderful if you shared this with as many people as possible. The more the merrier right? If we help one person, then we've done a good job.

Hope you're having a great day. Take Care, -Kathy.
 
Hi Barbara, what an interesting thing - it sounds like it was in the British Isles because, as maybe the dictionary mentioned, that's where they call hills 'tors.' Are you and/or is Jeffrey fond of some part of Britain?

Love,
Szo
 
Dear SZO, thanks so much for the "tor" info. Well, as probably most people, I am english irish descent, with some german/dutch. I think Jeff's dad is the same and his mom is Polish english. Like I said, they do not accept reincarnation (they accept me and know I believe in it). The dad is Church of Christ and the mother is catholic.

I never thought about nationality in reincarnation, but something happened that made me think. I had a coffee-table type book The World of Children and it had beautiful portrait/action type pictures of children all over the world. Jeff was not quite 3years and we were looking at the book.
You know, "Oh, look at those kids swinging" and "Hey look, what do you think those kids are doing?" Anyway, we just sat turning the pages and we came to a page with what I thought was an oriental family with a couple of children. Jeff stopped the page turning and was very excited. He said "Thats My Chow(?) and pointed at a child. I said, "Oh, is that My Chow?" and he looked at me really disapprovingly (which he NEVER did) and said "No, thats not your Chow, it's my Chow."
He then slammed the book shut and would never go back to it again. I went back and looked at the picture. It was an Aleutian family. We had some Vietnamese friends and I thought maybe he meant them, but this picture was definitely Aleutian and he made it very clear that it was not mine. Thanks so much for replying.
 
Hi Barbara

Well Szo, is absolutely right, Tors normally refer to hills, rock faces and cliffs in the British Isles…the word originally comes from the Old English word torr whose roots are Celtic.

To call them by this name (seeings thought I doubt he’s ever been exposed to the word or description over there), does seem to suggest that this knowledge lays in his past memories doesn’t it….very interesting. And the fact that by sharing his story, it kind of validated feelings within yourself on your own memories seems to also be a validation to your shared experiences in the past.

As far as the adoption element goes, I have heard of children and adults who instinctively have past life connections to their adopted parents, sometimes even more so than the actual parents they were originally born too….I think there have been a couple of discussions here over the years about the topic, but none spring directly to mind.

Your post did make me ponder the subject somewhat though, and one of the thoughts that stuck was the fact that, in these cases (I guess I’m talking more about when the event is pre-planned by the soul rather than a result of human free will), when children are born to one set of parents then raised by another, they must surely bring lessons in full to both sets involved….both very different, but both intricately connected to the single soul they both share

Lots of Love

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Kelly
 
Dear Kelly, thanks for you reply, and yes, it really does make you think, when a 2 year old comes up with an ancient word (tor)and could make the distinction that it wasn't "store" which would have been a familiar word to him. What also surprised me is that he made the distinction from his real daddy (NOT the daddy I have now) and the other daddy, the mean one. Jeff was so bonded to his dad, I would never have thought that he would consider another person as a daddy--not his grandfather or even a friend's daddy. I'm not sure when a kid is gender aware, but that he realized that he was a "girl then" and that he is a boy now.

All of the information that people share on the board is so enlightening, and it makes you glad that people are becoming aware of reincarnation.

I got so much of my information on reincarnation from Elizabeth Clare Prophet. I dont know if you are familiar with her. She tells about when she was about 2 1/2 or 3 she was playing in the back yard in a sandbox and suddenly had this feeling that she was on the Nile in the sand. (that a 2 yr old can even think of that!). She went into the house and told her mother what had happened and her mother simply said "Oh, you are having a past life experience." What a great thing to say to a child. At least it gives some kind of validity to what the child is feeling.

Thanks again.
 
Hi Barbara

No, I’ve never read Elizabeth Clare Prophet, but I’ll make a point of keeping my eye out now…thank you

I look forward to hearing about anything else that spills out of the little ‘un’s mouth in time….he seems very aware already and very capable of discerning between past and present and other relationships/genders, etc….what a bright young thing he must be.

Lots of Love


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Kelly



[This message has been edited by Kelly (edited 05-16-2001).]
 
Dear Kelly, thank you for your reply. Prophet conducted seminars on reincarnation and I had tapes "Reincarnation" she did on a seminar about Dr Womback (I think thats the name) book "Life Before Life". Prophet's group did not believe in hypnosis, but she thought the hypnosis results of Womback's patients were true relative to what happens between incarnations. Womback hypnotized her
group by telling them that they would try and remember their birth experience and anything before or after. After hypnosis, she asked the group to record their feelings. Some people had vivid memories and some had none( which was interpreted that they were not ready to know at this time). Some people remembered staying in the womb the whole time, some entered just before the birth process. Some sensed their mother was anxious and happy with the pregnancy, others sensed a sadness and disappointment. Most of the people knew their birth mother, or had some tie to the family. After their previous death, they had gone through "counselling" about what experience they needed for this lifetime. Some made choices against the counsel's advice (free will) for example, continuing to be reborn into a family that just doesnt like or accept you, and never has, for many incarnations. Anyway, I think it explains why there are dysfunctional families, why you meet a stranger and feel you have known them before, or why you like (or dislike) someone for no obvious reason. It helps me to accept and understand someone, because I know, for myself, I have chosen to put myself in the place I am in.
Love to you too, Kelly, and everyone here.

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barbara
 
Barbara
I tried to e-mail you but could not get thru
I ll ask here
Did you speak to Jeff now about his othr life?
or do you feel it not right - now /
Another site you said Barbara did not seem to be your "real" name, do you have a clue to your other "true" name?
Would you post your photo of you
either now or then?
I saw someone on a diiferent thread
Ilove looking at portraits espically older ones. I think about how people lived what
daily life was like
you seem like a larger than life spirit\ soul
it would be nice to see you
either way thanks for your words
p.s. if you like my photo
i will post
 
Dear Nona, thank you so much for your post. No, I dont have a picture, I have a scanner but I dont know how to use the darn thing yet. lol. But, I would love to see yours, please post it.

Well, I'm not sure what my name might be. I felt very comfortable with Gustave but I think it may have been because of an artistic interest at that time. However, it still "feels" more familiar than Barbara. My folks just had 3 girls, and I often wonder what they would have named me if I was a boy. On my dad's side all the boys were named after presidents: my dad's name was Andrew Jackson, his dad William Calvin, his uncle Martin Van Buren, etc.

No, I only see Jeff about once or twice a year. I would never mention it to him, but if he said something that hinted that he might remember, I would tell him what he said when he was a little boy. I would never bring it up to his mom and dad because they think its like "witchcraft".

There is one other thing that happened when Jeff was about 2 1/2 or 3. There was the cutest neighbor kid, same age as Jeff who lived behind him. They "discovered" each other through the privacy fence separating their yards, and the other boy's dad lifted him over the fence and he and Jeff became best friends. I can't think of the kid's name so I will call him Robert. Well, they were best friends, always hand in hand, always together. One day, they were sitting on the couch, scooched next to each other, eating ice cream, and so happy. Then Robert said, just as friendly and out of the blue:
"Jeffrey, when I get big, I am going to kill you." I tried to remain calm, and said, "Oh no Robert, you don't want to kill anyone." He said "But I am going to kill Jeffrey." I said, "Well, I thought Jeffrey was your friend." He said "Yes, he is, but I am going to kill him." He kept eating his ice cream and giving Jeffrey a hug. Jeffrey was on the verge of tears, and looked at me and said "I don't want him to kill me." I said, he's not, he's your friend. Nothing was ever said again. I don't know if Robert's family let him watch TV but Jeff never saw violence on TV. I never let them play violently. Jeff's dad is a cop, and I'm sure Jeff will want to be just like him. So, that is what bothers me. I have never mentioned this to his folks. They moved away in about another year, so never saw the other family again. It's creepy, though.

By the way, I have read your posts and really admire your strength and courage in dealing with your challenges. This is a great board. We will keep in touch.

love, barbara
 
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