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This is probably only the first installment.
I held off for a couple days because I didn't
know where to begin. Finally, I decided to
begin with the 'dream' that made it obvious
to me something unusual was happening.

One night when I was sixteen years old, I
went to sleep as usual. At some point, I went
into the dream state as we cycle in and out
of normally, and my concious mind 'seemed' to
transfer into the body of a small child.

From my pov, I was not concious and then I
was concious...and completely disoriented. It
didn't help that I was immediately lifted
from behind and swung up into a covered
carriage. It did help that I wasn't in con-
trol of the body. I was confused but she was
not. She scrambled up on a long bench and
sat next to an elderly woman.

An elderly man climbed in next, pulled a fur
over our laps and his own as he sat down. The
door closed and moments later the carriage
jerked and lurched forward.

I was amazed by the physical sensations I
could feel. It was very cold. I could hear
the elderly couple talking. I could hear the
horses hooves, the tolling of bells at some
distance, occasional voices outside raised
in a shout, the creaking of carriage as it
swayed. I was so amazed.

Today, this memory is just like any memory
you might of early childhood. Faces are very
indistinct. I don't remember what was said.
I remember feeling my hands, just like MY
hands, pushed into a piece of rolled up fur.
There was fur inside and outside, like the
cover. Two furs, sewn together. Realizing I
could take control, I did so and pulled my
hand out to stroke the fur cover.

The elderly woman reached over and gently
tucked my hand back into the rolled up fur.
"Francis," she scolded, "It is too cold."
She wasn't speaking English but I could
understand her.

I thought this couldn't really be happening
because I don't know this language, well
somewhat, but not enough to easily understand
what was said. I'd taken two years of
Spanish and knew they were speaking Spanish
but I the accent was completely foreign to me
from what I learned in school or heard on
the California streets (and schools).

I didn't trust myself to speak however. I
pushed my hands in deeper and concentrated
on just taking in as much as I could. I was
obviously a child, fairly young but I could
not really tell (I'd guess four to seven).
So, I LOOKED around and I LISTENED and I
SNIFFED the odors (mostly oils and leathers)
until we arrived wherever we were going.

The carriage turned. I saw what looked like
a gate or a 'hole', an opening in a wall.
The clopping of the horses' hooves changed
immediately. The echo was different. We
pulled into what seemed to be a tunnel and
it was very dark in the carriage. The carriage gave a bounce, the door whooshed
open and the old man pulled away the cover.

He climbed out. I stood up too knowing to
follow and was swung down. I was standing on
paving stones in front of stone steps. The
old man was at the top of the steps opening
a door. I followed him and the old woman
came after me. We went inside. There were
people who began helping us remove our outer
clothing. A woman asked a question and I
knew what she'd said, asking about church.
I remember that because now I knew where we
had just come from to the house. The dream
faded.......

It was very, very different. It was lucid
and real. Somehow, I'd experienced twenty or
so realtime minutes in the life of a young
girl. It was as distinctly real as any time
in my present life. When I woke up, vague
memories of a recent and perfectly normal
dream still clung but quickly faded and I
remembered Francis.

I realized then that I'd had several dreams
about Francis in the past. I wasn't sure how
many because they were so much like normal
dreams that they didn't really stand out. I
knew that she had been of various ages but
they were fairly vague. Over the next year
and a half, or so, I'd have many more dreams,
some like normal dreams and a few, very few,
as realistic as this one.

I'll have to give some thought as to how to
continue the narrative. In meantime, any
comments would be appreciative. In particular
I have always wondered if anyone else has
every experienced spontaneous and vivid
dreams, memories or visions similar to this
or has ever been lucid (self-aware) during a
flashback experience.
 
Dear Kateet

What a vivid dream, I wish I had a few more of them tucked away in my dream book. It does seem that you definitely stumbled upon a past life memory from your unconscious, I'm glad you were also so apt in controlling it all through lucid dreaming. I wonder how did you feel after it all? Was you scared, or shaken or did you feel happy? I used to be a lot better at controlling my dreams when I was younger, but stress and adult life seems to have temporally taken it's toll on my unconscious recall, I only wish I started a dream journal, so much earlier. I used to awake from dreams and if I didn't feel like they were finished properly or I didn't like the ending as it stood, I used to send myself back to sleep and either finish them off or change their ending to suit myself...very fulfilling...a nice feeling of control as well. I used to also awake with physical sensations from dreams as well, so if someone was pulling at my ankle in the dream, I used to wake up and the tugging feeling would still be there for a couple of minutes. As I said, unfortunately I never kept any records of them then, so I don't really remember if any of them presented a past life memory, I remember images and frozen pictures though, fragments, but that could just as easily be my overactive imagination at play...s

I look forward to hearing more about Francis or any other experiences you wish to share.

Kindest Regards

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Kelly
 
Dear Kelly,

When I had this dream, I was fascinated by
it. I didn't think it meant anything at all.
I didn't know where it came from. I had no
idea people could even have such vivid,
realistic dreams. There was sight and it was
crystal clear, not vague or fuzzy. There was
sound, rich and full sound. There was touch
and physical sensations, awareness of the
physical body, of existence. It was literally
as if I were actually THERE.

If I hear a sound in normal a dream, its because the sound is important to the dream, like a school bell ringing or a car starting up, but other normal sounds and background noises we hear in the real world are absent. Light is usually diffuse and there is no sun unless the shining sun or a sunset, for example, are agents of this dream. The list goes on.

This dream was completely mundane, even kind
of boring. The conversation between the old
couple was about the weather and people they
had just seen or spoken to but nothing that
would interest a child who seemed intent on
exploring her surroundings as if she'd never
ridden in a carriage before in her life. It
was a short enough ride, not much except the
buildings we passed by to see outside. No
one thing seemed significant to the dream and
nothing happened.

As this little girl, I traveled slowly from
one place to another place, from the church
as it turned out, to my home which I would
later learn was my new home. I had been
sent to live with them, my father's parents,
just as I had in this life. Francis lived in
Spain and I in the USA. Francis' grandparents
were Catholic and my grandparents were Jewish
but both were filled with tradition and
family. Until just now, it never crossed my
mind that both grandfathers were in a similar
business as well.

All of my real life, I was being sent some-
where to live for anywhere from weeks to
months to years. Even after my mother finally
remarried and I was adopted by my step-
father (my mother didn't have legal custody
of me since I was two and never again), I
was still sent away for most of the summer
months and during some vacations (usually
Jewish holidays) from school. This continued
into my teens until was finally went to live
with my mother's mother until I finished
school. For a short time when I was sixteen,
I actually had a room of my own, only for
about six months and it was the only time I
ever had my own room or any place for me at
all, anywhere. Even at my grandparents home,
I stayed in my Uncle's room while he was
away and had to sleep in the sewing room on
a small bed set up for me there.

I'm going to have to think more about this
since I never did before and I know there are
many other parallels. It makes me realize
that my life was much like Francis' life in
many, many ways. Think I'll make a list. I
think the realistic aspect of the dream has
totally overwhelmed me all of these years so
that I never really analyzed it. I tend to
ignore most dreams anyway if I remember them
at all and I've never been interested in
trying to pick them apart and analyze them.
I think people see too much in what might be
totally irrelevant excess baggage and real
life requires real people, usually, to be
anything but flaky.

Thats enough for now, I think. Gotta get to
that list! Kat
 
Hello,

I just read your postings about Francis, Kateet (Boy I love that name!).

By the way, welcome to the forum.

That was quite a dream or flashback. I am currently undergoing therapy in the hopes that I will access some past lives and my hope is that my memories will be as vivid as the ones that you have described. Obviously, there is something about Francis' life that is important for you in this life. It is interesting how you noticed the many parallels between the two lives.

The only past life images that I have had have been in dreams or I have had small glimpses in meditation. I haven't had very many yet anyway.

It was a pleasure to read about Francis and I am very glad that you have joined our little forum. You will find some very wise and compassionate souls here. Welcome aboard!

Love and light,
Shari
 
Dear Kateet

I study hypnotherapy and your dream shows you would be a therpists dream client, if you could echo the same senses that you did from this dream. Levels of hypnosis are deepened by the client when taking in all there external environment. The therapist brings the client into the reality of the past life/memory/thought by asking them to take in the air and the smells around them, listen to the background noises and voices and to feel fabrics and objects in their reach, so as to fully immerse themself into the memory. Through taking control of the dream as such, you deepened the altered state and gained a clearer picture of the memory.

I definitely think you should make a list of the similarities and parallels you shared with Francis, you may be pleasantly surprised by how many there are. But most of all you should look into any decisions or choices that Francis made that you can remember and see whether you have made such similar choices in your present life as Kateet. You may have been presented this memory so clearly, and reminded of it throughout your life, because you are making the same choices that you once made as Francis and your higher self is maybe trying to break through to the concious mind and remind you of these past mistakes or accomplishments.


I would love to continue hearing anymore little snippets of information you have on Francis if you wish to share them with us all. I wonder, have you ever been able to set a time period to this memory?

I hope that you are successful in your list...and I hope to read some more from Francis soon...take care

Kindest Regards

Kelly

PS. Out of curiosity, I noticed that you said you had never really analysed your dreams before, and wondered if this was the only dream you have experienced so clearly, and that's why it made you think on it and absorb it into your memory, is this the dream that made you start thinking about past lives or was you already interested in the subject? Or do you still see this dream as just that, just a dream, and not a past life memory at all?
 
Dear Moonbeam,

The dream I described above happened when I
was only fifteen years old and that was 27
years ago. I have learned a great deal since
then.

I told my Grandmother about the Francis
"dreams" early in 1976. During the next
and last semester in high school, I took
a course in Transcendental Meditation.

In college, I took courses in religious
history and comparative religions which itself is a common course to take as a Liberal Arts major. So many of us, at
the time, felt this course more than
anything else changed how we viewed and
what we thought of religious and spiritual
practices. People can be so easily conned.

Some things I studied, esp historically,
helped me to understand the context of some
dreams since I knew the time period in
which Francis lived. She was born in the
1480's and died at the age of 52.

What prompts me most powerfully now is the
strongest feeling I ever received from
Francis came before her death. She believed
she was damned. She was not insane. It was
the tenet of her Catholic upbringing, a fact.

She was a living human being with thoughts
and feelings. She had lost what she could
never retrieve. She had made unforgivable
choices. She knew this. She thought that
nobody would ever remember her, that her
very existence would pass without comment.

I remember her. I think she wanted others to
know her too, even the terrible things she
did.

Kat
 
Dear Kateet

You said that the strongest feelings you recieved from Francis were right before her death. This is really interesting and quite expected, as this is the area, feelings and emotions that has the most impact on subsequent carnations. All therapists (if there are doing there job properly), will concentrate on the the feelings and emotions felt by the client in their past life at he moment of death, as these feelings and emotions imprint themselves most clearly into the soul energy and are carried into the next lifetime, when they may again be re-released or re-experienced from a familiar essence. One of the worst emotions felt at the moment of death are hate, anger and guilt, all of these emotions lay a heavy impact into the life energy and when resurfaced in another incarnation, can be confusing, as we may not have repeated past patterns, but are still feeling and carrying these negative emotions, without realising that they are a past memory embedded into the mind, and can only be released once there are recognised and realised in this life, as not pertaining to us now or irrelevant, as we are no longer the same person we were then and so we should no longer continue to hold onto and carry these negative baggage from past mistakes or misfortunes.

Kindest Regards

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Kelly
 
Dear Kelly,

Thank you for your interest. The issues you
brought up are much like my own views and
most reincarnationists I've known over the
last quarter century.

My grandmother's people believed much the
same. Specifically, they believed that when
a soul was born into a new life a new per-
sonality developed, largely based on the
culture, lifestyle, social interaction, and
so on. But, people with very similar life
experiences can and often do make very diffe-
rent choices. They believed these choices
are as much connected to the soul as to the
personality or 'living spirit'.

They believed that when the body died, both
the soul and the living spirt left the body.
They believed if only the personality left
the body and wandered about, it was what we
call an 'out of body' experience and is often
referred to by Native Americans as 'Dream
Walking', not an act of the soul but an act
of the living spirit.

After death, the soul and personality moved
up into the heavens. The soul would absorb
the living spirit and this repeated cycle of
life, death, and absorption formed became the
soul's foundation. This is where people often
disagree. Just as Christian's and Jews and
others believe man must have been created by
a higher power, some people believe the soul
must be directed and encouraged by more en-
lightened souls. Others have come up with
some very elaborate ideas.

I have a very bad heart which has failed
repeatedly and yet only twice have I had a
near death experience, not much considering
but in both cases nobody was there to greet
me. Like the majority of NE's, it seemed
some sort of natural mechanism in effect that
pulled me right on up, like a very fast
rising elevator.

It was the Light that blew me away
because as I neared it, I could feel the
acceptance, the welcome, the unconditional
love. I wanted to become part of it and to
stay within it forever. From similar
descriptions by others, I've wondered at
the very least if any other example is really
so necessary.

It makes perfect sense that while my living
spirit is different from Francis, we are
talking about the same soul. Sure, I've had
other lives in between and my Grandmother
felt that either these same issues may well
have come up, though not necessarily in the
same form, but I could have avoided or just
ignored them because I didn't want or didn't
feel I was ready to deal with them and that
the reason it was so strong this time is that
my soul had decided that wasn't acceptable
anymore.

Wow, long, and I have to help supervise my
husband while he struggles to make supper.
You wouldn't think salads are so tough to
make, would you?

Best to you Kelly, and to all, Kat
 
Very interesting... I've been reading your posts when I have a chance during the day...have you ever thought to sketch scenes from these dreams? I would think a book of your memories combined with sketches (you don't have to be a great artist) would make a wonderful legacy for your family... They would treasure something like that one day. I certainly would!

Do you remember what part of Spain Francis was from? This is very interesting to me as i am of Spanish descent.
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Be Blessed

Moonbeam
 
Dear Moonbeam,

Actually, I did and my grandmother got it.
She sent it to my relatives who remain (most
of them) on the reservation. That is, the
Native American relatives I have from that
side of the family.

My family encouraged me to keep a journal
about a woman I began dreaming about four
years ago. Only a couple of months ago I
was able to narrow her birthdate down to
2038, probably March but the month isn't
definant and might never be.

My youngest son plans to put the journal
in a bank vault and then wait until 2040 at
minimum to research it since I do have
some very specific information concerning
names, dates, AND cities in this case.

Unfortunately, if I knew the city, I don't
remember anymore. I'm just guessing but I
think, since I had enough information~as
it turned out~to verify her existence....
however obscure, I didn't bother to look
into a lot of the details I had and just
forgot about them with time. It has been
a very long time.

Thank you for your continued interested.

Kat
 
Dear Kateet

I have been reading over a lot of your posts recently, and I just wanted to say that you are such a wonderful person...You have such a great love and respect for everyone and everyday that you are given, that I think a lot of people could learn a good deal about the kindness and light that you so obviously beam.

Kindest Regards

------------------
Kelly
 
Kelly,

Thank you Kelly, that was very kind of you
to say but I do make mistakes and am not
always the best I can be.

When you notice and point it out, and people
do (as they ought), I takes my lickins and
apologize.

See, I have these bad days...... ;-)

You bring a lot of joy and sunshine into the
conversations yourself you know. Thanks for
beaming back at us, Kat
 
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