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Hi John,


This kind of thing is great! Only, I need more information. When you say you drew them to look like pharoahs, what do you mean? It is hard to believe that primitive tribesmen could do something as sophisticated as the drawings/paintings in Egyptian tombs, etc. I am assuming that you scratched some type of crude line drawings, possibly even stick figures. Please let me know more about your memories of these tablets.


Cordially,


S&S


PS--Anything you have that seems like an actual memory could be helpful. You're always entitled to add a caveat about the possibility of things from the imagination, but something is better than nothing. Plus, I am already aware of the problems. When PL memories are fuzzy or incomplete, imagination can slip in to fill in the blanks. But, like I said, better to work with something than nothing, even if we have to be careful about unintended "additions".
 
I fully understand I come across as weird when I talk about events such as the original gods, something from way out in left field never known about before. But that will not stop me from reporting some of the important things me source passes on....Experts having no knowledge of the original gods is way beyond my comprehension and a true indication of how they analyse and the understandings they have of what they find
Regards
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No need to worry about sounding weird around here John! :)


A lot of the historical record that remains is corrupted or incomplete. Personally I find eye-witness accounts like this far more compelling than any history book. You just keep telling us what you are getting. It's all very interesting.
 
This kind... of thing is great! Only' date=' I need more information. When you say you drew them to look like pharoahs, what do you mean? It is hard to believe that primitive tribesmen could do something as sophisticated as the drawings/paintings in Egyptian tombs, etc. I am assuming that you scratched some type of crude line drawings, possibly even stick figures. [/quote']
This all supports my own views (memories?) that there was a major upheaval when 'civilization' collapsed for a while there before what we have any records of. The Egyptian 'civilization' did not just pop up out of nowhere. I never believed that, even when I was a kid and studied it at school. I find it all fascinating myself.

He said a light appeared that was exactly the same as the sun and for a time there were two lights exactly the same. He never said it was a sun. My physical perspective was the tribes of the Nile would have thought for a time there were two suns.. My source has confirmed that. The tribes of the Nile believed the original gods were sun gods who came from the light of the sun.
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Many sources have suggested that there was an older and very 'high tech' culture going on before the last ice age. It's not the least bit implausible to me, that these kinds of lights in the sky and so on, were some feature of that previous civilization. But 'common tribespeople' may not have known what it was - was it something like a helicopter? That would be a wondrous sight if you didn't know what it was for instance. We need to bear in mind that they did not have TV, or the internet or the news and so on to work with. Things were different then.


I will do a search for it, but years ago I read something about a map, made by medieval European monks, after the crusades, copied from some of the documents saved from the (several times burned and looted) great library of Alexandria, where thousands of documents from the ancient world were stored. It showed a perfect (or near perfect) view of the world, including Australia and the Americas, which were unknown in those days. There is no other explanation of how they got this information other than a previous 'lost' civilization had the capacity to either/or sail all over the world or that they had the ability to create flying crafts of some kind.
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S&S and tanguerra tanguerra once again your replies have been vey good and helpful, anything you can add would be great... S&S I'm really pushed for time right now, but the simple answer to your question was compared to the art in the tombs and so on the images were very rough. It looked like we had used shard instruments, rocks to carve the images into the stone. What I though would be really simple was to draw a picture as close as I could to the image on the stone I had and attach it to the thread. At work I tried for over an hour and could not draw anything even close, it was so much harder than I could have ever imagined to duplicate the image.. My brain could just not get around it for some inexplicable reason.. It sort of felt like my brain did not have the ability to do it, even though it is a very simple image
 
I have been trying to understand why I cannot transfer such a simple imagine onto paper..I'm now feeling like there is a real barrier there..What I have come up with is a theory based on how this barrier actually feels like. The memory of the image is not a memory of my physical brain, it is a memory of my spiritual self and not of this brain.


As a result my physical brain cannot transfer an image onto paper that is not a memory of it.. If by complete chance I have stumbled onto something that will be a true test if a previous memory is genuine and coming from our spiritual self or from the imagination of our physical brains, then it would be very significant..
 
Just relax and let it come. Perhaps it was some big secret back then, which is why you're blocking it?


So many, many, many years later, perhaps it's not a secret any more, but that is why your Source is trying to get you to focus on it because it's important for some reason? Only you know the answers to all this. I'm sure it will come to you in a while. It usually does.


But 'don't try to force it' is always good advice.
 
In case you are still interested in the various "tribes" of the ancient world, it might be more helpful for you to look from the inside (of ancient Egypt) out, rather than from the outside (monotheistic Western world view) in. This is really the best summary I could find. And, it has footnotes!
 
I was going give you a link that showed how the ancient Egyptians viewed foreigners, so you could view things from the inside out, rather than the outside (modern, monotheistic, Western world view) in. But, honestly, I am so frustrated with this forum right now. Attaching the link, it kept redirecting to the home page in a foreign language, rather than showing what I wanted you to take a look at.


I'll try the old-fashioned way . . .


http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/...foreigners.htm


Anyway, something you might find interesting:


"In pre-dynastic times the nine bows seem to have been native enemies rather than foreigners."


The nine bows being a term they used to indicate all their foes as a whole.


This is just a hunch, but the Vatla might be a pre-dynastic version of the Sea Peoples. "The Sea Peoples" being what the ancient Egyptians called "the Northerners." At least, that is what they called them in the 18th dynasty and beyond. Archeology, at present, would deny their presence so early, but I tend to believe humans have been sea faring a lot sooner than can be proven thus far.
 
Hi Blueheart.. Thanks once again for putting me on the straight and narrow... Something me source talked about last week as often happens goes against what is strongly believed to be the truth about something.. I need your input on this one. He told me everything that is believed about the ankh is wrong.. It was never a religious/spiritual emblem.. The ankh had a function and all of the gods used the ankh for that...What do you think? I don't know if what I believe about Egyptology comes from my source. It may well because I have no reasons to think this. That Egyptology has developed into a religion not to be questioned about what it believes to be the facts. Is that right?


PS I'm printing what you referred me to The second link is not in English
 
Hi John,


The first link by Blueheart is very interesting, and the site involved is full of useful information. In terms of identifying the original sun gods or tribes, I am at a loss outside of speculation.


On one hand, I can see the sun gods as supernatural beings, but am unsure of their provenance. Are they identical to the rebellious sons of Elohim that supposedly gave great gifts of knowledge to primitive mankind, and bred the nephilim with human women in times before the great flood? Are they some other type of angelic beings acting at the behest of the divine? I have no idea. They seem like the latter, though I cannot discount the former. Likewise, if I'm just relying on Biblical and related sources, I cannot be sure that the ancient Hamitic tribes that were said to have colonized the land of the Nile after the great flood are the same as those you identify. Actually, my current ideas of a great flood of the area (if it happened during the last 7000 years or so), is one that may have merely submerged rather than completely obliterated the most prominent and sturdy ancient structures, such that the Hamitic tribes were not the ancient tribes you mention, but may have merely been settling and occupying the ancient homeland of the tribes you mention. These Hamitic tribes would then have put to use many structures, cultural artifacts and symbols built or developed by the original tribes. Unfortunately, all just guesses.


On the other hand, I can see the sun gods as beings from a highly superior and more advanced civilization who were later mythologized. This is based on the old adage that any science advanced enough will seem supernatural to those at a much inferior technological/cultural level and likewise that those using it will seem like gods. This doesn't mean that such beings were not also highly spiritual or that, at their level, the difference between spiritual powers and technological powers is easy to make. Such beings may even have been from Ancient Atlantis, other worlds, dimensions or planes. Following up on this idea, maybe the sun gods are something like the subterranean quasi-angelic Vril-ya who supposedly knew how to manipulate Vril (an extremely powerful force that can give life, heal, destroy, etc), and maybe the Ankh is the tool they use for this purpose.


Google Vril if you like and you will find out a lot about a concept and story that heavily influenced people at the end of the 1800s and the first part of the 1900s. Alternately, you can always check out Wikipedia for a quick overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril. The Vril story has been taken seriously by a surprising number of people over the years despite its fictional aspects. In that connection, it is interesting that in the ancient images the Ankh always seems to be held by the loop as if it is an implement or tool. Also, the loop appears to have a much flatter/handhold-like shape for this purpose. So, the concept of it being used for something makes sense for me. Given its users, I would have to assume that it may have been used as an item to manipulate or project very great power. So, perhaps the sun gods did use it to project and manipulate a power like Vril. But, once again, I can only speculate.


These are all things where only the information you can acquire will clear matters up.


Cordially,


S&S
 
Hi S&S I have just read your post.. There is something going on right now. I don't understand what it is I read the 24 pages of what Blueheart referred me to and I said I read your post.. Something not only with these two things but other things are no longer straight forward for me. For example when I was reading the 24 pages on nearly every page I was saying to myself, no that's not right, no that's not right but on the other hand I do not know why it's wrong. Its the same as when I was reading your post. I was saying to myself he does not understand what a god is, I don't mean that in a bad way, its just what was going through me head. But I don't know why I would think that. This is beginning to happen more and more. Its the same with the tribes nobody really understands how it all worked. Again I don't know why I think that.. anyway I'm talking right now how it really feels. I thought I would write it down in a manner of how it really is while it was real and while I was on the forum


Regards
 
I asked my source what the function on the ankh was. When I report what my source talks about it must appear we have some sort of chat. That's not how it is It took five nights of mediation to understand just a small amount of what was going on. I don't know if you have ever seen the documentaries called Air Crash Investigation. In each episode the experts analyse the cockpit voice recorder. That's very much like how it is with my source. The experts listen to everything the sound of the engines the switches being turned on and off the sounds of the warning bells and noises the communications between the pilots and so on. From all of the chaos they search for the truth. That's pretty much how it is for me with my source They have the luxury of playing the recording over and over again. I do not have that


As time goes by I get better and understand more on what is the best way to do it. I now completely understand the differences between imagination and talking to a source. With imagination it flows freely I do that as well. If the back and forth flows freely then that is your imagination. That makes complete sense when you think of how you communicate with others. You have a back and forth discussing the issues, trying to understand the other persons points of views and learning something and also disagreeing with them. It is in no ways a free flowing communication like you have with yourself. A source is far worse, you cannot see him to begin with and he is completely different in every way to yourself. I always contact my source through my spiritual self . I contact my spiritual self first, and my spiritual self makes the contact with our source. It cannot be done in any other way


Anyway getting back to what the ankh is. As often happens I could not get a clear and direct answer. From all of the confusion I did what I always do, I did my best. After five nights of really difficult meditations only a small part of what my source was talking about was making sense to me even then after wading through the confusion. I now have something that in my experiences is accurate. When I get to this point I always run it past my source. He is always annoyed, when I do this because I only understood a small part of what he was talking about. Passing onto him what I did understand highlights how little I did understand. Its not always as difficult as this one was, thank goodness.


In the end this is what I understood


Next time after you have joined the others in the physical you will use the ankh to impose the gods will in the physical and restore balance. All of the gods have an ankh. The ankh is the key to the power of the gods.. That's it... that's all there is after five nights of really hard work that ended last night. I don't know what to make of that. It could mean many different things. If the very early Ancient Egyptians believed the ankh was a symbol of the power of the gods, then it could have over the centuries evolved into a spiritual/religious symbol.. That's just a guess. All of the gods having one is significant.


It's only recently I have understood about my source's approach to the gods. When my source talks about "the gods" he is talking about the original gods, the sun gods. When he is talking about the gods who came after the original gods he refers to them by their names. Horus, Anubis and so on


So when he talks about the gods and the function of the ankh he is talking about the original gods, the sun gods
 
Next time after you have joined the others in the physical you will use the ankh to impose the gods will in the physical and restore balance. All of the gods have an ankh. The ankh is the key to the power of the gods.. That's it...
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Sounds like some kind of high tech device to me. Just sayin'... It obviously had some kind of power back in the days that was way more than merely symbolic, judging by what you're saying.
 
I don't know if what I believe about Egyptology comes from my source. It may well because I have no reasons to think this. That Egyptology has developed into a religion not to be questioned about what it believes to be the facts. Is that right?
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I don't think so, no, but that is just my opinion. I have heard this argument mostly from people who put some pretty outlandish stuff out there, and don't like it when facts are used that contradict their theories. (i.e. the "there is NO WAY they could have moved these stones save . . . whatever . . . type argument.) Egyptologists are humans, just like everyone else. I am sure there are plenty of Egyptologists that will argue their ideas to the grave, just as academics do in all fields. But, is it a religion? One that does not invite questioning? No. I don't see that at all. Indeed, it thrives on questions. Especially, the questions no one has ever thought to examine before. If they did not still question and search, the field would have been dead long ago when it was declared there was nothing left to be found in the Valley of the Kings.

The second link is not in English
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Yes. That was giving me fits. I tried the "remove link" button, but when I hit it, the forum would not allow me to post the rest of what I wrote, without a link. I had a choice of deleting everything, or leaving the annoying redirect, so I left it. Sorry.
 
Something me source talked about last week as often happens goes against what is strongly believed to be the truth about something.. I need your input on this one. He told me everything that is believed about the ankh is wrong.. It was never a religious/spiritual emblem.. The ankh had a function and all of the gods used the ankh for that...What do you think?
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http://www.artofcounting.com/2010/06...gypt/#more-113


I was going to show you something else from this website earlier, but never got around to it. Anyway, the woman who's work is the subject of this website would agree with you, and is attempting to find out what its purpose was, at least in later years, in visual depictions of kings, through statistical analysis.


As I see it, part of the problem is the sheer amount of time we are talking about. Using words like "never," is a pretty bald statement. (But, Then again, I would expect nothing less from him, as an ancient Egyptian.) It can't be strictly true, because the ankh has been adopted in modern times by people who feel an affinity for the culture and the mysticism. As they are largely raised in a Western culture with a background in monotheism, they sort of assume (I can only surmise) that it is the Egyptian equivalent of a cross or Star of David. It is not. It is not a symbol that stands for the religion as a whole, and can never be, because there never was a religion as a whole.


That it had a purpose, seems clear. What it is, is still a question mark. The purpose might be concrete, ritual, metaphysical, symbolic, or a mixture of all of the above. We know the ankh WAS a hieroglyphic sign for life, and is often said to mean, "the breath of life." I want to go back now and check if ankhs were ever used as amulets in mummy wrappings. I can't remember off the top of my head. A great many symbols were.


But, also keep in mind, the ancient Egyptians thought of things on a multiplicity of levels. It could be a thing - an object - while at the same time, symbolic and full of layers of spiritual as well as artistic meaning.
 
Blueheart thanks again for your input. I went to the link you gave me on the ankh. I really do believe what my source told me, that the ankh is the key to the power of the gods is accurate. If you read that link again keeping in mind what my source said what the ankh is, then what is being shown and said means so much more


It gives a real meaning to it all. My source saying the ankh was never a religious/spiritual symbol is in my view is accurate. My fathers name was Graeme but everyone called him Bill, I cannot recall anyone ever calling him Graeme. My fathers name was never Bill, his name was Graeme, just as the ankh was never a religious/spiritual symbol no matter who thought it was and still thinks it is..


I understand how that the ankh being the key to the power of the gods evolved into something it never was Over the thousands of years the power of the gods turned into there power protecting you in this life and the afterlife, the sign of life said to mean "the breath of life" in fact the gods through there power will provide all of your needs and the ankh is the key to the power of the gods. As I said before that is a guess but it feels right to me. It doesn't matter how it evolved into what it is, that fact is, it has evolved into something it never was. The Christians to this day kneel in front of the ankh and give thanks to there god.. Little has changed in the interpretations


of what it is. Its ironic that Christians are praying to a false symbol, it was never and still is not a religious/spiritual symbol.


What powers do the gods really have? That is the real question not only way back then but also today
 
The ankh is often set in the same category as the Girdle of Isis, as a symbol of eternity. This is not because its straight lines may be lengthened in the imagination to infinity, but because they converge upon and meet in a closed loop. This loop symbolizes the inexhaustible essence of the life force identified with isis, from whom life flows in all its forms. it is therefore carried by all those who wish to share her life. Hence the ankh may be identified with the Tree of Life, with its trunk and foliage.
The significance of the Girdle of Isis is far more complex. Like ropework or plaited hair round the arms and the loop of the cross, it infuses the concept of life and of immortality with the concept of the knots which tie down mortal life on Earth and which must be unravelled to enjoy immortality. `Free your bonds,' says The Egyptian Book of the Dead, `untie the knots of Nephthys.' And again: `Shining are those who carry the girdle. Oh! Bearers of the Girdle.' The same meaning is conveyed by the Tibetan Buddhist book called The Book of the Untying of the Knots. While the plain looped cross symbolizes divine immortality, sought orattained, the Girdle of Isis makes clear the conditions under which that immortality is obtained - by the untying of knots - dénouement in the true sense of the word.
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- http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/pictures/ankh/ankh.html - I think this is interesting.
 
I read the link that gives various opinions on what the ankh is and represents. All of the explanations were interesting The trouble with all of these opinions is that is all they are, opinions and have no real foundations of fact... Why?.....By there own admissions the Egyptologists have no clue where the ankh came from and therefore also have no clue what it is and what it represents. This makes all of the so called belief's about the ankh are nothing more than guess's.. I'm talking about what the ankh originally was and represented, which the Egyptologists have never found and/or discovered, not what it evolved into over thousands of years which are completely irrelevant to what the ankh is and represents
 
Hi John,


I agree with almost everything you have said in the last few posts, except what you said about Christians praying to the Ankh. The current Ankh is characterized by a loop rather than a line at the top. The loop is a stylized version of what was apparently a ring-type hand grip of some type. The Ankh has never been two crossed lines sans such a loop. It was, seemingly, an ancient implement held and wielded by the "sun gods" with a specific purpose in terms of--for want of better term--channeling or using the power of the sun gods. Over a period of time it evolved in the minds of men into a religious symbol with different ramifications.


The cross on which Jesus was crucified was never an Ankh with its distinctive loop/hand grip. There was nothing god-like about it. It was a crude construct made from two crossed beams of wood on which criminals/prisoners were executed in the Roman era. That was its purpose--torture and execution. It has likewise, with some pretty good reasons, developed into a symbol of sacrifice, love, eternal life, etc. But it was never an Ankh. It was what it was. And, in reality, its beginnings are basically almost exactly opposite of the Ankh. (Incidentally, though I don't believe there is any connection, the Ankh actually has more resemblance to the common symbol for "female"--i.e., the circle with plus mark underneath--than to the christian cross).


Cordially,


S&S
 
I have not posted for a while because I have had some very important things going on. I have many things in "the file" waiting for more information. The women in the coloured clothing I talked about on another thread, Audi Ha Pes, what does that mean? Raser, I think I'm beginning to get a handle on who Raser was, the women pharaoh Sobekneferu, something is going on there, the tribes of Vatla, who were they? Horus and Anubis leading the king, the sun and moon becoming one and others all waiting for further clarification.


Because I have been working my way through some very difficult situations I became very aware of how I go about it, I thought I would switch my attentions with this post on how I go about it. The planning the persistence and the general attitudes that I believe are important in helping me make it happen, not just waiting and hoping it will happen, and at the same time talk about one of the issues I have been trying to sort out. I'm certainly not saying I'm better than anyone else, and you should do the same as me, I'm just trying to show how you should try many different things, and continually educate yourself and learn from your own experiences. Use other peoples experiences as a guide, the same as applies to what I'm talking about. It's my belief we all have our own ways of doing this.


Because I apply the principle's I will talk about I have had two good results over the past month. That is the best result ever for me.


I will talk about one of the issues I was trying to sort out when I was using these principles.


Not being able to draw the image of the god carved into the stone was driving me nuts. You can imagine knowing 4+4= 8, and you can see the figure 8 in your mind but you cannot transfer that image onto paper. It's as bad as that (the frustration)


This turned into one of those things I could not let go until I had done everything I could to understand why this was happening.......This is important there are some things that must be sorted out one way or the other before you move on.............


So I meditated saw the image again and tried to draw it, and again nothing, I could not draw it. Over the next four days I tried several times each day with the same result


................the point here is you must keep going and try different things..........Then I thought I must go about this in a different way. I will concentrate on the ankh, knowing there is a cross over between the ankh and the gods. This time I decided to start with what the gods were wearing and incorporate the symbols the gods were wearing on to there clothes and body together with the ankh. So I decided to start with the body outline first, then draw in the details. I was sceptical I could do it. So I began to draw the outline of a body not the head, and it worked I drew it. Then I drew the clothes the god was wearing onto the body and that also worked. I had always started with the head, face and the pharaoh type headgear the gods were wearing. It was natural for me to start at the top and work my way down. My conclusions are, for reasons I don't understand I'm not permitted to draw the faces of the original gods, the sun gods. Either that or I'm bound by some spiritual covenant from long ago to never disclose the identity's of the original gods, the sun gods. There are some small symbols on the headgear and hanging on the foreheads of the gods that may be important in identifying them, as the original and only true gods........ So this breakthrough happened with what appears to be a very simple change in tactics. But it was neither simple or easy. You must continually work hard and look for ways of breaking the deadlocks...............


The following is important..............You must continually access what is going on ..................When I thought about it I was drawing what the god's were wearing not from the image on the stone at the sacred site, but from the dream I had about the gods. . When I was having the dream I was taking everything in. I remembered plenty about the gods but now, because I was actually drawing something my memories of the details was not good. I realized much had been lost to what I think was bad recall So I decided to meditate and try to see the dream again, or at least parts of the dream. I tried a number of times without success....Don't give up keep going, it can take weeks............Good things can happen through perseverance. The following is a good example.............


I'm running out of time. There is plenty more I will get back to this post later
 
Hi John,


Thanks for the update. Believe it or not, I did not give up trying to find something that might match those long ago commemorative drawings set onto stones. I have spent a few hours looking and viewed lots of stone-age art from the regions around the Nile, but with so little to go on, it was difficult to know what I was looking for. Most of the figures are very, very rough, though some look like they were done by people who (in the current age with current techniques) might have been great artists. Still, the only things that I thought I could depend on possibly being part of the image were people with accompanying lions, people with or holding an ankh, and to a lesser extent someone that looked like a pharaoh. I found some of the latter, but they were not early enough to be relevant. So, a clearer image or idea would certainly be helpful . . . .


BTW--I think the way you found of avoiding the "block" was very clever--i.e., see if there is a different way to approach the task that will avoid the problem. This not only allowed you to make progress, it allowed you to better pinpoint the "area" of the block and to arrive at some possible reasons for the block. The problem with the symbols worn by the "sun gods" is interesting. As you probably know, symbols (and associated sounds/words/names) have long been considered to be a way to exercise, invoke, summon and/or manipulate supernatural powers, entities, etc. Most of this may be just superstition, but there is seldom a superstition without some connection to an underlying fact or facts (though the superstition and the actual facts from which it arise may be very different).


Cordially,


S&S
 
continuing... the following is a good example....In a way it turned out to be a good thing because it gave me time to plan what I would do if I could make it happen.... Always keep thinking ahead and planning what you will do........I decided because I cannot draw the faces of the gods I would dedicate all of my attentions to what the gods were wearing and the symbols........This may appear a logical thing to do, but to implant that into the proper place so I can remember to do it if I can make it happen is a very different thing. Its a little like having a thought when you are in bed and you write it down so it will not be gone the next morning. When I mediate and I'm connected to my spiritual self, I'm on a different level. When I had the dream the gods overall appearance reminded me of pharaohs


Two weeks ago I began to meditate. As sometimes happens after I'm connected with my spiritual self our source was waiting for me. All he said was BB, just to let me know he was there, then he went away. My spiritual self was not surprised by this contact


Then I began to see images of the dream..... so the weeks of dedication paid off.......The images were no brilliant, they were ok.......always be contented with a result, even if its not as good as you would have liked. .....Some were clear others were fuzzy. It's hard to say how long each image stayed for, I have no comprehension of time when I'm meditating. Then an image came up of one of the gods walking towards me. It was clear. This is the image I believe my source wanted me to see, that's how he operates. My source is interesting in many ways. Through both of our frustrations with the real problems we have with me trying to understand what he is talking about he is now showing me some of the events in real time that eliminates the problems we have. This is a major breakthrough and can only happen after months if not years of dedicated persistence. I feel It's more of a result of my self education over a long period of time. I think and it feels like you get rewarded because you are ready and have earn't the right through your belief, self education and dedication for this types of breakthroughs to occur............... Nothing is given to you without earning it hundreds of times over...........I now understand some of the real time memories of my spiritual self are activated for me to see them by our source. When I'm not connected to my source they come once again from my spiritual self by it's/my choice, when my spiritual self wants me to see them.


I remembered what I had planned to do. Concentrate on every detail of what the god is wearing and the symbols, take it all in and remember it . His clothing was easy. I had seen it before in my dream and had drawn it. That allowed me to give all of my attentions to the symbols. There were symbols on his clothes and the top of his legs. He was also wearing a spiritual/religious circular disk on his chest, which had symbols around the edge of the disk. I have never seen any of these symbols before. The other symbols I have never seen before even though I remember they were there, were the symbols on his headgear and hanging on his forehead. As far as the symbols on his body and clothes are concerned, again I remembered them from my dream, but not what they all were....Out of all the symbols the god was wearing and on the top of his legs the only symbols I had seen before was one pyramid and numerous circles some clear and some dark.... Again I'm pushed for time and will get back to this post later
 
Continuing...To my surprise he has not holding the ankh as I thought. It was much smaller than I thought and was hanging down from the spiritual/religious disk. I keep calling it a spiritual/religious disk because that is what it feels like to me. I defiantly got to the point were I had a clear view of the symbols from all of the confusion that was going on within the experience. The whole experience was both difficult and required all of the skills and experiences I have built over time to have some control over what was going on.....................It's this control if you can educate yourself to have some degree of it, makes all the difference in both the knowledge you can get from an experience and it disappearing into a cloud of confusion. I'm sure I don't experience anything any of you don't experience. It's recognizing each event for what it is, and what is actually going on, and controlling it...............


As soon as the image changed to another image I pulled the plug on the meditation, before another image would confuse what I had worked so hard to achieve. At this point everything is extremely brittle and can be completely lost, which has happened to me before. Pulling the plug on a meditation is a really bad thing for me to do, really bad for many reasons including the terrible waves of pain passing through my head for 30 seconds or so. If my source or spiritual self pulls the plug this does not happen


I had a pencil and paper waiting by the bed, as well as a my small writing desk I rest on my knees. I took a piece of paper and drew a rough circle and drew the symbols around the edge of the disk. I doubt they are completely accurate, but they would be close. I got another piece of paper drew the outline of the gods body and on it the clothes and the symbols on his clothes and the top of his legs. I think that image is completely accurate although rough and out of perspective. I remembered six of the ten symbols on the gods forehead in vivid detail. The others and those on his headgear were gone, I will try at another time if I can see then again As you can imagine its impossible to be completely accurate in a situation such as this.I then drew another image incorporating the body clothes and symbols and the circular disk with the ankh hanging from it. Again its rough and out of perspective, but accurate. I had to draw the symbols on the spiritual/religious disk separately because there was not enough room on the small disk on the image


I'm struggling with this right now. This is turning into a difficult task for me, as I get into the nitty gritty of transferring what happened into words..I don't want to turn this post into a serial, but right now I have had enough.. I will get back to it later
 
Hi John,


I thought you you might find this interesting about the Great Pyramid. There are a lot of books about Ancient Egypt; Egyptologists continue to study the Great Pyramid and thousands of years of a culture and society that lasted longer than even modern times. A fascinating subject.


I have always liked Gregg Braden's books and although they are not based on physical evidence the way an archaeologist for Egyptologist might be, I still think his books are interesting and I find personal value in them.


One of the things he suggests is that within The Great Pyramid the magnetics drop to almost Zero in the top chamber. He said the spiritual journey (ritual) began with the chamber (below ground level) where initiates would enter "the Pit" also referred to as the Dark Light Chamber. There they would embrace their worst fears and enter the "Dark Night of the Soul."


The goal in this first step is to arrive at the realization that no matter what comes to you, no matter what you face, no matter how devastating a situation, you are still intact. There can be no fear if the fear is given no power upon which to feed.


Following the process and completing of this first step -initiates would move into the Queens Chamber in the middle of the pyramid to demonstrate their ability to BALANCE the polarities of Dark and Light. They would have to "hold that balance" for an unspecified period of time.


After successfully facing their fears in the lower chamber -the challenge is to not overcompensate by moving exclusively into the Light. With the reminder that you are always LIVING in a polarity experience and must EMBRACE both experiences without judgment in order for "change" to be balanced and mastery attained.


After this process -- the initiate would "advance" into the uppermost chamber -called the King's Chamber. It is within this chamber that the final stage of initiation would be completed.


He notes that within the tuned resonant cavity of the Chamber of Light, measurements of Earth's magnetics drop to nearly ZERO. In historical times the area inside of the chamber provided an environment that was unavailable outside the cavity. Today, some are suggesting that Earth is moving toward an identical environment that was modeled in the chamber YEARS AGO - low magnetics.


Anyway, I thought you might enjoy reading about his research.
 
Hi Deborah..I MUST read those books.. What you talked about is. I don't know the best way to say it...is very close to the truth-- is very close to something very special--- is something very close to the power of the original gods, the sun gods, yet I cannot comprehend any way of explaining it. I'm in a very bad place right now. The last month or so has been over whelming, to much to quick. For the first time I understand how it must be for military people who must be debriefed after a complicated and dangerous mission...They must and are forced to put all of those experiences during the mission into words.. How do you explain something that was experienced is such a confined space as you physical and spiritual self and such a personal way. They the same as I could never find the proper words to fully explain how it actually was and the real meaning of it all. The integrators would form there own opinions on how it actually was by the words. I never understood that before.


I don't know if I can ever finish the post I started.. I think the spiritual/religious disk was the most significant thing of all.. The ankh hanging from it is significant. There was a hole in the centre of the disk. The more I look at the drawing of the disk. The more I look at the symbols around the edge of the disk, the more I search for what the symbols are, I don't think anyone has ever been seen before, the more it looks like the combination dial on a safe. With a safe you dial in the numbers around the edge of the dial in a pre determined sequence and the safe opens. With the spiritual disk you may well have to dial in the symbols around the edge of the disk in a pre determined sequence to create an event If this is right then there would be any amount of sequences that could be dialled by the disk creating any amount of events. The ankh could be used and put into the hole in the centre of the disk so the gods could rotate the disk. That would make the ankh the power of the gods as I have been told before.. But that's all a guess. But I must do that otherwise what I have been shown is a complete waste, but the guess must always feel good.... right. Here I am talking, that's interesting. I think I had to say that because it may have something to do with what your were talking about it all seems to be connected. That's properly what the integrators job is, get them talking. When you think about it, there is nothing new with the gods of all of the religions having the abilities to create events.. All of those beliefs may go all the way back to this spiritual/religious disk worn by the original god, the suns gods who came thousands of years before the unification of Egypt. That's plenty for me right now and I have not even scratched the surface of what happened


Regards
 
I'm glad you found it helpful John,


Don't be too hard on yourself. Putting spiritual experiences and visions into words....somehow (at least for me) is almost impossible to do. As I write them down they somehow lose their "magic" ~ for lack of a better word, and really there are no words to truly describe them.
 
Deborah.... With the little I have found and what you posted, it's my opinion what Gregg Braden is circling around and may not have nailed it is, the Ancient Egyptians endeavours to control the dying process and move on with some control. I understand that is what could be assumed by what they did, but its my opinion its far more complex and deep within them and what they were actually trying to achieve than has ever been understood.... Regards
 
.....the Ancient Egyptians endeavours to control the dying process and move on with some control.
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This is true. He does not address reincarnation but other aspects of spirituality throughout his books. My memories of Egypt clearly showed the importance of understanding mind/body/spirit and the MANY senses we had/have. We were taught how to transcend into the next life consciously. I'm working on it now. LOLOLOL seems I forgot a lot in the last 5,000 years. Especially when I am reminded by spirit. Kinda a duh moment for me.... ya know?
 
Hi Deborah.. You are right that was taught.. I did not know that you also came from Ancient Egypt. It was very important to us, and little of its complexities are know today. Controlling the dying process and as you put it.. "transcend into the next life consciously " which is an accurate description, is very important to me.


As you said you have forgotten a lot of it over the thousands of years So had I, but I'm being re educated by my spiritual self and source. Allow me to prompt your memories. We were taught and I said this in my post, nothing will be given to us unless we earn it hundreds of time over. We were guided but we had to do the work and earn it for ourselves. How I'm being re-educated, I believe is very similar to how we were taught to do it. You (Deborah) must be a child of Ancient Egypt to even have the remnants of this knowledge. The children of Ancient Egypt were and are the only ones allowed access to this knowledge. As I have said before, they told me I was lost to them for many spiritual cycles, now they have located me. There is a possibility you are the same.


I did not want to talk about this subject in fear I would come across as weird. The basis of my re-education as it was thousands of years ago is, with the help of my spiritual self learning how to control spiritual events while I'm mediating. The principles and skills learnt from that education are the foundations of controlling the dying process. The skills and principles are the same with both events. We were taught to develop those skills with our spiritual self who is connected to and guided by the gods.


It takes hundreds if not thousands of meditations to develop these skills and knowledge. We were taught to recognize each event for what it was then as I have said before get control of the event before the event disappeared into a cloud of confusion I'm at the stage and as I have said I do have some control over what is going on . When I ask my spiritual self am I ready do I have enough knowledge and skills?, he always replies the more you know and learn the better, which means never stop


This is important.. John Tat the physical must be taught these skills because John Tat the physical is the most important link in the chain of controlling the dying process, so the spiritual me can transcend into the next life consciously.. When the physical begins to die John Tat must recognize that event has started and take immediate control of the event before it disappears into a cloud of confusion. The skills and knowledge to do that are both complicated and exacting and must be learnt over hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of mediations, guided by and taught by my spiritual self "Do you remember any of this"? Only the children of Ancient Egypt can do this.


John Tat the physical is the most important link because at the point of death of the physical John Tat must pass the control he has achieved to his spiritual self who continues his journey to another life in full control of where he is going and what he will do. I already know where I'm going and what I will do.


Deborah, the following is only a suggestion Get an ankh and wear it around your neck, never take it off. The ankh is the key to the power of the gods and is our link to our spiritual past. So much has happened since I understood that and worn it around my neck. Hold it while you are mediating, and when you need the power of the gods. Feel them just as you did thousands of years ago . I do that easily because there are no other gods for me. Being a child of Ancient Egypt there are no other gods


Audi Ha Pes..........................Audi Ha Pes.........................


Regards
 
John,


Why don't you start another thread about Egypt - since this thread is getting so long. You can copy and paste the post above in to start it if you want too. Just a suggestion.
 
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