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Hi S&S I have no idea when the wars of the gods happened .. there are times during my meditations I feel and that's all it is... I feel BB had some direct involvement .. in what I'm not sure but it may have been as you say surrogates on the physical plane.. which makes sense to me because of next time
If BB is a surrogate of the gods.. then that is why he can reverse the outcome of the war as long as he gets to the reincarnation process's undetected and intact.. I know he knows what has to be done just as I know he has the abilities to do what has to be done... something similar to one person having the knowledge and skills to destroy a 40 story building with one well placed bomb as long as no one knows he is there and what he is doing.. That's why John Tat must get BB to the pulsing light undetected and intact

IMO it's important to understand the following
Previous incarnation memories are not a new phenomenon... they hive been going on for millenniums
It's only in recent times that we have begun to understand what they are...For most previous incarnation memories are seen as dreams, imagination and in some cases visions
This is very important wen we look at the concepts of gods, heaven, angels and so on
Millenniums ago there were no real concepts of what previous incarnation memories were/are.. There were some beliefs about reincarnation as a concept to give logic to some beliefs and things
But previous incarnation memories for what they were/are.. they was no understandings
When previous incarnation memories were seen as visions of god/gods that's when things became very confused and just plain wrong
Take heaven as an example

There are many case's where people claim of having previous incarnation memories of another place other than earth
Some of these spiritual selves/souls/higher selves gained access to our reincarnation process's before the gates were closed.. I have talked about that before
There is every possibility heaven was a previous incarnation memory of another place.. so advanced that the only possible explanation millenniums ago was it must be a place where the god/gods come from.. then the imaginations of man took over and created the mystical heaven of the bible.. What I find interesting is... the beliefs that we may go to heaven after we die are accurate if the gates were open which they may have been at the time
I could go on and on about visions and many other things about god/gods
All of the above can never be proven to be wrong.. as it brings logic to the visions of god/gods and the word of god/gods

It makes me wonder about the great minds of the world.. for example Einstein.. are they a result of knowledge from a previous incarnation from another place?

All The Best
 
Hi John,

This was interesting: "I could go on and on about visions and many other things about god/gods . . ."

I just wanted to let you know that you are free to do so and that I would be interested.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi John,

Can you give me any more information about BB's understanding of what "North" means and what its importance is? I have a variety of different leads on that, but don't really have anything definitive. However, I have mostly been thinking of North as being symbolic or perhaps referring to something located in the Northern skies, when often BB seems to have something very tangible and down-to-earth in mind. From that standpoint, I'm wondering whether there is a very specific spot on the earth in the North that he is thinking about--perhaps something associated with the sun gods?

After this many years, the identity of the "gods" involved would probably be lost in the mists of time, but there might be legends of some sort associating the location with "gods" or god-like beings. There are some places like this, including some very famous mountains to the North (and East) of Egypt that have long historic associations with "gods" of god-like beings.

Can you check for more information regarding "North" and whether it might refer to a physical location, especially whether it refers to a Mountain?

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S During my mediations with BB ..as I have said before .. many are very difficult for me to comprehend..as I have said many times before I whish I was better educated and had better understandings of many things.. If I did then could understand much more
He does communicate about locations but mostly I have no idea where they are .. if I could I would need a complete knowledge of both ancient and modern names of countess locations to begin to understand
The only two locations other than all of Africa I'm relatively sure about are modern day Turkey and Iran for reasons I have no clue about they are two locations I understand about that are important
We humans are narrow minded.. mostly we only draw conclusions about what we see
The North Star is used as a cross over in time.. something like that.. that's the best I can make of the communication
The light of the North Star is used by the gods to go to many places.. The light of the North Star is important to travel
What I'm not sure about is... this is the best I can understand of a complicated communication...that the North Star that my gods used when they came to us.. like it was a gateway or something was different back then... whatever that means
The North Star has something to do with storage or is used as the locator of the knowledge of the gods on earth.. whatever it is BB knows all about it
Just one thing I find interesting is....most believe and in most science fiction stories the gods have big powerful weapons' that destroy on a mass scale .. If they did have such weapons then they would only be an advanced lifeform
That's not how it is... that all comes from the imaginations of man
My gods do not have any such weapons that go bang, boom and destroy. I'm only aware of two of the weapons of my gods
There is no planning or weapons anywhere that can challenge my gods weapons

All The Best
 
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Hi John,

We have some prior posts about how the star at the pole position above the earth has changed over the millennia. I can go back and look up the numbers for those posts, but I guess the question would be which prior star that was in the pole position would be the one that was important to BB. That would depend on what era BB came from. So, maybe that is where we need to look. If you could date that era by the name of a pharaoh, maybe that would help. Likewise, we could look at which star was in the "pole" position during the period when the great pyramid was being built (which BB seemed to remember). Actually, I'm not sure I didn't find that one out already. Anyhow, I think we covered some of this already.

In terms of sites in ancient Turkey there are a boatload, including the oldest known ceremonial complex on the face of the earth, Gobekli Tepi. Turkey was known in ancient times as Anatolia, but there are probably names even older than that. I would suggest looking at this Wiki article on the History of Anatolia, especially the section on the Neolithic with links to various other articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Anatolia

And this one on Gobekli Tepi:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göbekli_Tepe

Of course, when you look at something like Gobekli Tepi (this just the modern name), you are seeing something that it is far older than the pyramids (according to modern dating) and that has and is causing a revolution in thinking about the timing and development of civilization. But no one really knows who built it and why, though it is hypothesized to be a ceremonial center of some kind. Speaking of ancient place names in Anatolia, maybe the list from the Bronze Age on this page will also provide some ideas in terms of names given by BB:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_regions_of_Anatolia

In terms of sites in the Bible, you are looking at several as you head North from Egypt towards Turkey and in Turkey. For example, Mount Hermon is extremely famous and has been thought to be a mountain sacred to the gods for millennia, as well as a gateway to other planes of existence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Hermon

It is the highest mountain in the area at around 8500 feet, and is the legendary location of descent of the "Watchers" the Elohim (or "gods") who came to Earth and intermarried with mortal women to give birth to the Nephilim/Giants, etc. of ancient legends. It is also, according to some modern scholarship, supposed to be the place where Jesus "founded" his Kingdom (supposedly purposefully on the same ground where the "Watchers" had descended and where the gateway to the unseen realm was located). I.e., an "in your face" action and possibly a direct challenge to the fallen or rebellious Elohim.

Going farther North into Eastern Turkey, you come into the area where legend would place the Garden of Eden, which was not merely a garden, but "Paradise", the home or home base of the Elohim/gods and apparently also the "seat of government" or place of assembly of the Divine Council (i.e., where the "gods" met and made their decisions).

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I can't help but also mention that Mount Ararat, where Noah's ark allegedly came to rest is also in East Turkey, plus the legendary location of the Tower of Babel is nearby.
PPS--The nature of the two "weapons" you mention would be very interesting.
 
Hi S&S Thanks for the above... There is plenty for me to go through and comprehend...As far as a timeline for the location of the North Star that's difficult When the gods came to us was very early on in pre history Egypt... My guess based on my mediations somewhere around 5000 BC.. could have been earlier.. Something I have never talked about before because it's very personal .. it may have some relevance to another timeline During a meditation where I go to sleep and when I wake up I'm still deep in meditation but have gone to another level I saw myself/BB in physical form ... I knew it was me because I had the scares on the top of my arms that the priest inflicted on me when I was a young child in the temple during a blood ritual.. when my blood was mixed with lions blood and my whole body was painted in the mixture of my blood and the lions blood ... I/BB was dressed in a short gold colored skirt with what looked like a gold colored leather type armless vest with a layered neckless around my neck of many different colored stones I as holding a battle axe... The battle axe maybe a clue of a timeline because in an earlier memory I was using more of a mace than a battle axe when I was in battle ..The best I can find about a battle axe is around 2500 to 3000 BC You are better than me at research.... I will post after I have analyzed your last post

All The Best
 
Hi John,

This is a follow-up on the big powerful weapon comment you made. I agree. Our large weapons are actually very crude, destroying property as well as people, friends as well as enemies within an area of destruction. Ideal weapons would only eliminate or neutralize the people/things that need to be neutralized.

Unfortunately, we cannot have it both ways. One person with a rifle can supposedly accomplish this feat, and only neutralize specific enemies without killing "friends". But, only on a comparatively small scale at close range. If we use weapons at long range to neutralize enemies on a large scale (such as bombs), whether conventional or nuclear we have a really hard time with collateral damage.

So, on the small-scale up close we can get selectivity, but on the large scale at distance we get lack of selectivity. A truly god-like weapon would combine both, providing selectivity on a large scale at distance or up close. We have some things that can do a bit of this. E.g., Neutron bombs are reputed to kill people without doing massive damage to their surroundings, but such weapons certainly don't distinguish between friend or foe. However, overall, gotta agree with your point.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S In my limited knowledge/understandings of the weapons of the gods the knowledge to control who and what the weapons will target military, non military, age, sex and so on is fairly basic.. its the weapons' themselves that are important
Weapons have always been a form of control.. We have bigger and better weapons than you so you better watch out... for example...
Weapons that change physical form neither kill or destroy... they are easily targeted .. military civilian and so on with selected targets within those targets
When physical and mental form is changed it renders our enemy army's incapable of fighting against us We do not kill them or destroy anything
At the same time these types of weapons and there are others that do other things ... inflict absolute terror onto the mases ... giving us control No bang. boom or destroy... just control

All The Best
 
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Hi John,

Perhaps you can explain what you mean by weapons that change physical form. I don't understand how that would be accomplished. Are you talking about transforming people into animals such as birds or bugs or ??

In terms of changing physical and mental form, I don't understand the first part, but the second part of that (i.e., "changing mental form") sounds like some form of mind control used as a weapon. I really don't know what it means in terms of changing "physical" form. Perhaps you can explain what you mean by the combination.

"Inflicting absolute terror" sounds like a variation of the mind control--i.e., using mind control technology to stimulate intense fear. I can see how this is equivalent to what happens all the time with one side using its "bigger" weapons to create fear and intimidation in another.

But, overall, I'm still not sure I understand the weapons you're describing.

Cordially,
S&S
 
HI S&S It's difficult for me when things I talk about are analyzed on how things are and the knowledge known about today
Something similar to.... If someone told people 200 years ago men will climb into a big metal cylinder that is so powerful it will take them to the moon .... if anyone had had said that 200 years ago people would say ... that's not possible and wonder about the sanity of the person who told them
There would be nothing wrong with them thinking that.. it would have shown the current knowledge and understands about things
This applies to many things I talk about.. many times not even I understand/ and or can explain fully .. I just talk about things BB has communicated to me during my meditations
This applies to the weapon I talked about.. a weapon that does exactly what I said.. it changes physical and mental form
There are many things I don't talk about mostly because they are better off not talked about.. this is one ... I should not talk about but I will this time for reasons of explanation..
Without meaning to sound cruel and/or offensive this weapon turns people into mindless physical freaks...You can see why I don't talk about such things
Part of the strategy is... there families can take them back and look after them if that's what they choose to do .. making an ever present reminder of the power of the gods
We do not kill them or destroy anything.. To me that's not mind control it's just old fashioned control through superior weapons
Much the same as travel to the moon seemed impossible 200 year's ago ... I understand how this also appears impossible.. Be assured this and other weapons are real and available to BB and the others when they return... I will talk about what you referred me to in another post

All The Best
 
Hi John,

I understand the "mindless" part, but not really what "physical freaks" means. Does everyone end up looking like the same kind of freak or is everyone a different kind of physical freak? And, freakish in what way? Are they horribly misshapen and deformed or what?

Cordially,
S&S

PS--Sounds like a very terrifying weapon.
PPS--Is the process reversible?
 
Hi John,

In terms of the "North" I think there are two main possibilities: (1) a geographical location "North" of Egypt; and (2) a stellar location in the Northern sky. You seem to favor the "star" idea, but don't seem to totally discount the idea of a significant geographical location in the North. In that regard, I thought I should mention Jebel Aqra, a mountain close to the southern border of Turkey (an country/area you mentioned as being of importance). It is farther North than Hermon, but like Hermon, a mountain long associated with the "gods". So, I thought you might want to check it out and see if it rings any bells:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jebel_Aqra

In ancient times it was also known as Mount Cassius, Mount Kel, Mount Zaphon, and Mount Sapan.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S I do my best to describe things ... but as I (John Tat) often does and did it this time I struggle to find the right words to describe things... It's probably difficult for you to understand.. When we have experiences ... thoughts or have imaginary thoughts they are created through our brains ..as a result we have a good understanding of those thoughts and have no problems describing and/or writing about them
On the other hand if we are watching a science show on TV that is well above our pay grade then we struggle to understand what they are talking about... then if we had to to descried to others what it was we were watching then what words would we use to describe as best we could what we had seen when we did not understand to begin with... that's how many things are for me that are communicated to me during my meditations
When I said mental and physical freaks what I meant was.. mindless turns the physical into something it wasn't before...when I first got this communication from BB during a meditation ...to me a weapon that changes mental abilities is not that more advanced that what could be developed today...and yes we can reverse the effects of this weapon ... its all about control... it is and can be used as a tactical weapon
When you have the abilities to target such a weapon you can take the minds away from the people in power and control ... then you can do whatever you want.. you may choose later on to restore there minds but in some cases you would leave them how they are
You are on the right track with the North... North of Egypt and the North Star are very important to the gods.. I will mediate more on that... and read you referrals over and over again.. Something that I know is important... when the gods came to my tribes from the light of the second sun we were no longer of pure physical blood from where we came from... Europe... we had evolved into a very important mixture of races... I need to find out more about that

All The Best
 
Hi John,

The whole "mixture of races" thing is very intriguing. I did a bit of research, and found a very good lead based on the DNA of Egyptian Mummies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_history_of_Egypt) stating:

"A shared drift and mixture analysis of the DNA of these ancient Egyptian mummies shows that the connection is strongest with ancient populations from the Levant, the Near East and Anatolia, and to a lesser extent modern populations from the Near East and the Levant.[11] In particular the study finds "that ancient Egyptians are most closely related to Neolithic and Bronze Age samples in the Levant, as well as to Neolithic Anatolian and European populations".[12] " (Emphasis added).

So, this confirms both the European element and the connection to Turkey (Anatolia). If you go through the articles noted with regard to the relevant geographical areas, you will find that Anatolia is basically Turkey. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia). Next, the "Near East" includes an even wider sweep of territory, including a portion of northern Anatolia/Turkey that extends up into Southern Europe close to Greece, and the general area of Turkey/Iran/Iraq/Arabia, and down into Egypt. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_East). The "Levant" encompasses a somewhat broader area, including Greece, but leaves off Iran and Arabia. So, there is definitely a European element from the general region of Greece and thereabouts, plus genetic connections to Turkey and Iran. The area in various shades of green is defined as the "Levant" and shows a genetic background for the mummies extending from Southern Europe/Greece through Turkey, Etc. to Egypt and beyond:


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From a Biblical standpoint, I also note that the bloodlines include the legendary territories settled by all three of the ancient sons of Noah--Japheth, Shem, and Ham:

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Interestingly, it is almost as if these were all intentionally included in the Egyptian blood lines. I'll have think about what the reasons for that would be.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi S&S Your last post was very interesting...You pointed out things that I know are extremely relevant. I now because I have always understood who the physical entities were was important....for many reasons that I will not go into now because I need to think it through now I have a better understanding from what you posted.. As you point out it's very possible these were no random happenings.. that the god's understood that a mixture of races was needed to have the physical and mental abilities to put the god's knowledge into physical form and objects.. From my memories that was no easy task that took a long time... Just one thing that I have never seen talked about by any of the experts.. The only way I can describe just one ability we had to perfect was our eye to hand coordination so we could perform very complicated tasks...... if we had not become highly skilled with this ability Ancient Egypt would never had come to be... Unless you had been there you would never know this and is most likely why the experts have no clue about it and how important it was

All The Best
 
Hi S&S I'm working on a reply.. its more difficult than I thought .. amongst other things I'm searching for ways to explain things that have not been talked about before ... as I have said on previous occasions It's difficult to find the words to explain these things that have not been talked about before

All Th e Best
 
Hi John,

I'm working on a different kind of lead in a completely separate area. I was looking at an article on supernovas--giant exploding stars--and saw a comment that startled me. The person I was reading said that, depending on the size of the supernova and its distance, it might look like a second sun in the sky. I.e., it made me think that the second sun seen when the "sun gods" came may have been a super nova.

I checked, and there was a supernova explosion referred to as the Vela Supernova approximately 11,000–12,300 years ago (about 800 light-years away). I don't know whether the dates given are the dates when light arrived, but I think they take that into consideration. That means that the light would have been seen here 8200 B.C. to 9,500 B.C. = a very long time ago. Unfortunately, I couldn't get any more information to tell me more about how it would look from earth, so this is just a loose hypothesis. But I thought you might be interested.

Another reason why this went through my mind is that there is some evidence that the Star of Bethlehem heralding Jesus' birth was also a supernova. As stated in Wikipedia:

The Christmas Star As A Supernova In Aquila
Another theory is the more likely supernova of February 23 4 BC, which is now known as PSR 1913+16 or the Hulse-Taylor Pulsar. It is said to have appeared in the constellation of Aquila, near the intersection of the winter colour and the equator of date. The nova was recorded in China, Korea, and Palestine.[62]

This one was at a distance and intensity to appear as a very bright star. Anyhow, something to think about.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--It also made me think of Ken, who had a very strong memory of being some place where there were two stars in the sky.
 
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Hi John,

I'm working on a different kind of lead in a completely separate area. I was looking at an article on supernovas--giant exploding stars--and saw a comment that startled me. The person I was reading said that, depending on the size of the supernova and its distance, it might look like a second sun in the sky. I.e., it made me think that the second sun seen when the "sun gods" came may have been a super nova.

I checked, and there was a supernova explosion referred to as the Vela Supernova approximately 11,000–12,300 years ago (about 800 light-years away). I don't know whether the dates given are the dates when light arrived, but I think they take that into consideration. That means that the light would have been seen here 8200 B.C. to 9,500 B.C. = a very long time ago. Unfortunately, I couldn't get any more information to tell me more about how it would look from earth, so this is just a loose hypothesis. But I thought you might be interested.

Another reason why this went through my mind is that there is some evidence that the Star of Bethlehem heralding Jesus' birth was also a supernova. As stated in Wikipedia:

The Christmas Star As A Supernova In Aquila
Another theory is the more likely supernova of February 23 4 BC, which is now known as PSR 1913+16 or the Hulse-Taylor Pulsar. It is said to have appeared in the constellation of Aquila, near the intersection of the winter colour and the equator of date. The nova was recorded in China, Korea, and Palestine.[62]

This one was at a distance and intensity to appear as a very bright star. Anyhow, something to think about.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--It also made me think of Ken, who had a very strong memory of being some place where there were two stars in the sky.
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Hi, S&S:

I can imagine that a supernova in the maximum of its explosion can have a brightness at most comparable to that of the Moon, but not the Sun.
Its visible size will always be insignificant, not even remotely comparable to that of the Sun. Just calculate what a diameter should such a supernova have, to look to us, at the distance of several light years, the same or comparable to the size of the Sun, situated at only some light minutes from us.

IMHO.

Best wishes.
 
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Hi Cyrus,

Unfortunately, such a calculation is well beyond my present skills, but I think you're right in terms of diameter and probably brightness. From what I can tell, Betelgeuse (724 light-years away) is the closest named star deemed most likely to go supernova in the near future, and from what I read on that one, it will have the brightness of the half-full moon radiating from a fairly small spot:

"Life on Earth will be unharmed. But that doesn’t mean it will go unnoticed. Goldberg and Bauer found that when Betelgeuse explodes, it will shine as bright as the half-Moon — nine times fainter than the full Moon — for more than three months.

“All this brightness would be concentrated into one point,” Howell says. “So it would be this incredibly intense beacon in the sky that would cast shadows at night, and that you could see during the daytime. Everyone all over the world would be curious about it, because it would be unavoidable.”

Humans would be able to see the supernova in the daytime sky for roughly a year, he says. And it would be visible at night with the naked eye for several years, as the supernova aftermath dims."

https://astronomy.com/news/2020/02/when-betelgeuse-goes-supernova-what-will-it-look-like-from-earth

OTOH, I wonder about a star much closer to us. The article says that a supernova would probably not be a danger to us unless it was within dozens rather than hundreds of light years away. However, an article linked in the article above suggests that a supernova 150 light years away caused a mass extinction 2.6 million years ago. So, I'm not sure about the lethal distance. Nonetheless, I do wonder whether brightness and apparent diameter could be equivalent to the sun if the explosion was a lot closer. In this case, I would be interested in whether the expanding extremely hot and luminous gas cloud might have a more noticeable diameter while still retaining a lot of its brightness if only a few light years away. However, as noted, I don't have the skills to calculate the diameter and luminosity of a gas cloud that would look like a second sun from that distance.

Of course, at that distance we'd probably be cooked by radiation, but it is an interesting question to me.

Cordially,
S&S
 
John Tat said:
It's interesting to me that you both only consider the effects on and/or the destruction of our world
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Hi, John:

Destroying is the easiest thing to do for such a mass of plasma gone crazy as a super nova.

Though, yes, in a way, there could be some constructive moments in it, too. Like that Christmas (Bethlehem) Star, that, al least in part, gave origin to a whole new religion.

It's a pity I can't remember that Sci-Fi novel of some very religious writer that wrote a story of a world found many light years away, slowly killed by a super nova exploded once in the past in its neighbourhood. There are in that novel very pathetic decriptions of how the members of that expedition wandered through the deserted alien cities finding skeletons of mothers embracing tiny skeletons of their children in vain attempts to protect them from the mortal radiation coming from the sky, etc. It was that very Christmas Star that killed that whole humanoid civilization. I wonder why did that author choose such a way of expressing his religious beliefs.

Did you mean something like this?

Best regards,
 
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SeaAndSky said:
...I don't have the skills to calculate the diameter ... of a gas cloud that would look like a second sun from that distance.
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Hi S&S:

Well, I only thought of a simple geometrical optics, something you could do on your lap, just in case, you know. Sun size/distance to the sun -> Supernova size/ distance to the supernova...

Forget it, just stuff.

Best regards.
 
Hi Cyrus,

On your comment to John, I also read something like that in my youth (so, it may actually be the same story). I remembered that it was a short story by Arthur C. Clarke (the author of 2001), and was able to look it up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star_(Clarke_short_story)

There is a link to the original story online in the article, so you may enjoy giving it a read. Also, there is a reference to a happier "spin" on the story given in a subsequent television show. Interestingly, the proposed "new" ending was shown to Clarke. The article is a bit unclear, but it appears that this was done before it was used. Whether he approved I do not know, but the article notes that he did not, at least, object.

Also, you're right about trying to make some of the simpler calculations myself. Thanks for the encouragement. With my physics degree being 45 years behind me, and the math I used to perform a dim memory, I seldom even think in those terms anymore.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi John,

It did occur to me that such a celestial event might have other meanings and, possibly, even uses. However, my initial concern was whether it could appear as a "second sun" and whether it could do so without wiping out life on earth.

Nonetheless, I'm definitely very interested in what you might have to say on the matter.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi John/Cyrus:

I'm just going to look at luminosity rather than worrying about whether a disc could be seen. The Vela Supernova previously mentioned seems to be a good candidate, even as a point source, for a second sun story. I finally found a "New Scientist" Magazine article from 20 August 1981 (p. 479) online dealing with ancient records of stellar events. The author states that:

“The nearest supernova of which we can infer the existence is the Vela supernova, a mere 1500 light years distant, and I particularly had this one in mind. It left behind a pulsar like the Crab pulsar and a beautiful network of nebulosity that covers part of the southern constellation of Vela from which the supernova takes its name. For a month it would have been as bright as the Moon and it would have remained visible to the eye for a couple of years. It can be dated only from the increase in the period of the pulsar, which give it an age of 12000 years. . . . but the age is not definite and could be off by thousands of years.”

That would have been extremely bright coming from a point source, and definitely much much brighter than any "star" in the sky. The author goes on to describe "sunburst" symbols graven on stones by the Australian Aborigines as a possible ancient record of this event.

However, one of the things that I immediately noted was that the author is giving 1500 light years as the distance, while the Wikipedia article on the Vela Supernova (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Pulsar) has it at approximately 800 light years away (approx half the distance). Consequently, based on the prior calculations that it was as bright as the moon being based on approx twice the distance (if I'm remembering the inverse square law correctly) it seems the brightness at 800 ly should be approx 4 times as bright as the full moon. That would be a truly unique and incredibly bright point source. To my mind, based on this alone, I think that it could have been seen as a "second sun" by the ancients since it was extremely bright and didn't fit into any other category, being many times brighter than the moon or any other celestial object except the sun.

Of course, I'm just basing this on one author/article and my own very fallible guesswork and calculations, but it does seem to represent an interesting possibility. With a large additional caveat: Could it be seen by the tribes of ancient Egypt since Vela is a southern constellation. I think so, because the Northernmost part of the Vela constellation was known to, and named by, the ancients. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_(constellation)) Plus, it is only part of a larger constellation "Argo Navis" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argo_Navis). The latter article states that:

Due to precession of the equinoxes, the north pole relative to the stars has shifted — against this constellation's favour as regards the Northern Hemisphere since Classical times. Most of the constellation was visible to antiquity.

So, though I don't have anything conclusive, I think this supernova would probably have been visible from Egypt, especially Southern Egypt. Anyhow, this is all very speculative, but one of the first things that John kept insisting upon was the idea of a "second sun" in the sky at the time the ancient "sun gods" he remembers came to the tribes of the Nile. This is the best celestial candidate for a "second sun" in the appropriate time period that I can think of.

Cordially,
S&S
 
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Hi S&S and Cyrus... Different to both of you I have no knowledge about the things you talk about.. I only have memories passed onto me by BB my pure spiritual self during my meditations
Other than understanding what a supernova is there is nothing else I know about them
As I have said over and over again in this thread the light is very important to my god's... The universe is full of light from billions and trillions of sources
People see the light when they are having NDE's.. I John Tat will go to a pulsing light as I die
My gods' came from the light of the second sun .. in the story of Jesus the light was an important part
LIGHT...LIGHT....LIGHT everywhere with the light being connected to the gods over the history of mankind
Those of science can look at this and most likely think that they are stories/myths from ancient times.. I can tell the they could not be more wrong
That the god's come from the light .. just as we go to the light when we die
My god's came to my tribes... the tribes of the Nile from the light of the second sun
That's how it appeared to BB my pure spiritual self because he was there
Realistically in these modern times it's obvious it was not a second sun but something else ..... going by what you have both talked about what a supernova is... a supernova is a good and logical explanation of what it may have been.. although I'm always a little wary of logic when it comes to these types of things
I have always assumed that it had something to do with my god's abilities to travel within the light
I have many memories through BB my pure spiritual self I can give no proper or scientific explanation for... this is just one of them
The pyramids we built are all about the light... why do you think they are the shape they are? the lights are our connections to the universe the light connects us to everything.. get a torch and shine it on a wall and let you mind drift you will see what I mean ,,,the light connects us to what we shine it on .. the gods travel along that light to the destination of the light
We will also travel within the light to the universe ... the light is waiting for us.. it's all about the light
I'm not sure what the light was that came to us the tribes of the Nile
One thing I am very sure about ... my god's have the abilities to harness the power and energy of any event involving the light
Because of BB my pure spiritual self and as I approach the end of this incarnation my intuition goes to many important things... some well beyond this world and time... that's why I asked about your only concerns with a supernova being for this world... All supernova's destroy.. what they destroy both concerns and saddens me

All The Best
 
Hi John,

I found plenty of sites indicating that Argo Navis was a known constellation to the ancient Egyptians, though most sites don't focus on this. Here is a random example of typical statements on the Egyptian viewpoint:

"To the ancient Egyptians, Argo was the ark that kept the gods Isis and Osiris safe during the Egyptian version of the great flood."

(https://www.delgazette.com/opinion/columns/82286/constellation-sets-sail). So I think it is pretty clear that the supernova discussed above would have been visible from Egypt as it part of this constellation. Also, it makes me wonder whether their understanding of the meaning of this constellation has something to do with the "gods" escaping or using the explosion (by riding the flood of light and energy released). I have some other ideas on this, but will save them for another post.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi John,

I remember very well our discussions from many pages back about the "sun gods" using the spirit body to travel "in the light" between the stars and then being born via a physical mother in the new star system in order to become material. In this case, it could have been that the "sun gods" knew what was happening in terms of the impending supernova explosion and made arrangements to ride in the expanding sphere of light to a new locale--possibly to escape the destruction of their own world.

When the front edge of the expanding sphere of light from the supernova reached the earth, people here would suddenly see a "second sun" light up in the sky, and the "sun gods" would also arrive. It is also probable (since we are currently able to detect planets around other stars) that they knew many times more than we know about the possible places they could come and the fact that our planet would be safe and a good place for them to come. So, they would have deliberately chosen a good place to come before they left. Perhaps the reason you feel some sadness is because you know that many good things and perhaps good beings were destroyed in that explosion.

At least that is what it seems like might have happened to me. However, what I can't get straight in my mind is how they could arrive full grown if they had to go through being born and growing up. It seems that no physical mothers (or physical fathers) would have been prepared. And even if this could be done without such preparation, how could they be full grown when your people reached Africa and met them at the Nile. Is it possible that the Second Sun, which might have been visible to your people before they even left Europe, had happened many years before you met them at the Nile? This would give them time to grow up. It could be that they told you that was where they came from when the tribes arrived.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi John,

You have made it clear that the sun gods were not native to this planet. In fact, it appears that they treated the native elohim with contempt. Hence, they may not, at least initially, have been able to fully tap the power of our local star (the sun) because it was not their native star/sun or perhaps because they were being blocked by the native elohim.

However, the arriving light and energy of the supernova (which I believe may have been their native sun) when it appeared in the sky may have been a resource they could use to materialize bodies (tapping into this power for at least a year before it began to fade) and thereby meet the tribes and make the arrangements for suitable human bodies to be born from native mothers from our planet, which would allow them (once housed in native bodies) to tap the power of our native sun. In a word, it allowed them to make the necessary arrangements to become "locals".

Just speculating, but there is something about the manner of their appearance at the time of the appearance of a "second sun" in the sky which makes me believe the "second sun" was necessary for them to be able to appear and do the things they did to establish themselves on this planet and in ancient Egypt.

Cordially,
S&S
 
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