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What would it take to make reincarnation a fact?

By the way, in russian the root of the word animal means `zhivot' and in slavic it means `zhizn' - life!

I agree with Majic and nexus in their attitude towards the religions, I strongly feel that any religion breeds fanatism. I do not understand why do people need somebody (or something) who (or which) can do things for them, solve their problems or even *save* them. This Universe doesn't need a creator and we, souls, entities, do not need anyone to create us. If anything, we, ourselves, created this universe (or came here from another one) and live in it and experiment in it and love and fight. There is no God! or Gods to do anything for us!

I believe in reincarnation, in the fact that we decide our lifes, we can even change our reality (what is happenning) around us as we like, why do anyone need to beg someone else to do it (pray)? Certain people created religions at different times in the history of the Earth to get more power and dominate others (and quite successsfuly, it seems). Others allowed them to do it, happily relinguishing (if it is the right word) all the responsibilities they were supposed to have, forgetting that they themselves decided to have them, in the hands of the God, because it is EASIER that way! If someone wants to do evil deeds, but being conditioned by the society cannot, in the name of the religion! ohhh, you can do anything! fulfill all those dirty thoughts, anything goes in the name of the RELIGION.

I do not like the Christianity, but, at least, the worst time of it has passed, islam, on the other hand, is still young and it is the bloodiest one imaginable right now. We would have to go through many years of islamic crusades (just like it was with christians), if people would keep on happily forgetting their own responsibilities for their own selves. Even something absolutely non-religious (non-theologic) like Buddhism people managed to religify (Buddha was saying that there is no God!). Even now the followers of Rajneesh Osho began to call him `He' with the capital letter, they already started to divinize him, and that was what he, himslef, was warning them to avoid at all costs, but no! they just can't not have a Master! They have to be guided, like lost sheep, ruled and preached upon!

It is time to wake up and understand that there is NOBODY (NOTHING) to help you but yourself! No Gods, no Angels, there might be `watchers', but again, I might be that very `watcher' after my this present life, it's us again!!!!!!! But... I am afraid that my outbreak is useless, because (please, read my signature) who is blind, doesn't want to see, and who is deaf, doesn't even want to try to hear. It is very scary without the mother (God) and it takes a lot of courage to throw the chains of religion.

One of the problem that I see is that most of the people tend to reincarnate on the same planet and cannot percieve the vastness of the cosmos, they get too, sort of, provincial view of the universe; in only our Galaxy there are approximately 10^11 stars, there are estimated 10^10 - 10^11 galaxies in our observed universe, so people think there is only 1 planet inhabited??!! Why nobody thinks what gods aliens invented to solve their problems? I am sure nearly everybody here read Moudy `Out of Body Experience' (I hope it reads like that, I read it in russian translation), where one passage struck me, it was when he was out of his body and in some strange, scary environment, he tried to shoo away some spirits by crossing himself, those spirits, he narrates, laughed and said `see, he is trying to pray to his gods...'. Why nobody here, who talks about religions, remembers that? or dismisses that as an obvious evidence? They believe him about his experiences and do not belive him in his narrations? Very selectively? It should have, at least, left them thinking...
Well... anyway, it is just an accumulated outburst, sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings, after all, we all have a right to our beliefs.

But who can say that animals are lower spirits? Who are we to do that? What about aliens? Are they below us? They might look like our animals...
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"...Everything we do, everything we are, rests on our personal power.
If we have enough of it, one word uttered to us might be sufficient
to change the course of our lives. But if we don't have enough personal power,
the most magnificient piece of wisdom can be revealed to us and
that revelation won't make a **** bit of difference."

Don Juan, Castaneda's `Tales of power'.

[This message has been edited by alphiyah (edited 10-29-2001).]

[This message has been edited by alphiyah (edited 10-29-2001).]
 
Alphiyah,

Would you not interpret your personal understanding, as stated above, as a form of religion? Are some here not attempting to put forward their own personal beliefs as dogmas and a set of rules?
I think we are perhaps confusing the term "religion". When I say "religion", I do not mean it as a "standardised church" with all its dogmas, but the truths that lie within. Religion to me means a faith in a greater source, in the existence of an afterlife and of our souls, and what all this englobes...
I was raised an Anglican Protestant, I now take part in a "religion" of African origin called Candomblé, that indeed has its dogmas and sets of rules, but which does not deal into the spectrum of speculation, but of direct contact with spiritual guides and Orishas through incorporation. The energies I have seen, spoken to and felt are real. They are not created by our "creative consciousness". I have seen and experienced enough to have learned that.
Nexus, you are mistaken in your assumption that I am tied down to Christianity, but I do not simply disregard its teachings per se... My "religion", if you wish to call it that, in the version that now prevails has made a distinct effort to separate its concepts and nomenclatures from all others. It does not try to impose itself upon others, but, as a religion that has been greatly persecuted throughout the years as one of "devil-worshippers", it has suffered much discrimination. It would be a "pagan religion", as you say. One that deals with spiritual guides, Orishas, reincarnation, and even the "devils" as many would refer to them. And Majic, they do exist, but not as they have been pictured by the Christian churches.
Alphiyah, I have lately been thinking a lot about "consciousness creating" and how much power we might hold personally. We do have free-will, but we are not God. I believe we are far more Creatures than Creators. But this is just my own personal belief, based on my own personal experience, and we are all entitled to our own...

I will have to be away for the rest of today and all of tomorrow, but I will be back to read your posts on Wednesday.

Charles
 
Dear Charles,

I meant by `religion' the belief that there is some superpower, superior to anyone and anything in this universe, God, or Gods. Of
course, all of us have our beliefs, and moreover, right to believe in any of them.

But I do not call a belief in reincarnation a religion. I am against the faith in the CREATOR. Such belief takes the responsibilities for this universe off your shoulders, if there is something more powerful than you, let it take it. I agree with your ideas in your other postings that we are on the ladder of evolution, there are some souls/entities more advanced (I do not want to say evolved) than others, you might view them as more powerful than you, as gods?
I would call them more experienced, more educated. But this ladder might be infinite...

Why can't you be a god? Are you afraid to think about it? Afraid to be responsible for the whole world you created?

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alphiyah;
You are a mirror to my thoughts. I am glad to meet you. Yes, we are the creators, the gods. Yes, we are completely responsible for our creations, for our lives, for everything that happens to us. There is no god "out there" who we can pray (beg) to for favors. And reincarnation is not a religion - it doesn't have a figurehead, or dogma. It simply states that each of us are gods in our own right. I hope to hear more from you alphiyah.
Majic
 
Alphiyah,

Yes, my understanding is that there are beings, some call them saints, angels, Orishas, Light-Beings, whatever terminolgy, that are indeed more advanced, yes, and therefore co-participating in the Creation, just as there are Spiritual Guides who, for having reached a more advanced stage, are constantly assisting others in this wolrd to also evolve.
I am opening a new thread in which I will say what I wish to say.

Much love,

Charles
 
In my opinion there is very little anyone can do to "prove" reincarnation to me. I am open to the idea and find it compelling and very possible, but frankly, we don't KNOW what happens after we die, no matter how much we believe in whatever we believe in.

I stopped posting on this board for awhile, partly because my life got super, super busy, but also because a few posts rubbed me the wrong way when I read them (not having anything to do with me or anything I posted, though. Just a few random posts I read). These posts talked about, "Maybe so and so needs to learn more about reincarnation because it doesn't work like that," as if we were talking about addition or simple biology, not metaphysics. EVERYTHING we "know" about reincarnation is a theory. Often a good one, but a theory only. If we DO reincarnate after we die--and I said I am open to that idea--there's a whole host of other questions: Does EVERYONE reincarnate? As a human? An animal? A plant? As whomever you want? Against your will? No one can claim to know the full answers to those questions. I read all the time that you can never be reincarnated against your will. Who says? Maybe you can? One person on these boards said they felt "dragged, kicking and screaming," into her body. Who can say that DIDN'T happen? We can all have our beliefs, but in the end, we don't really know until we die.

But I don't think it matters anyway. I personally don't see that whether I believe in reincarnation has any impact on THIS life at all (and I know, many of you will disagree with me on that), except possibly to remove my fear of death. I believe in trying to live my life with love and respect for everyone, to be the best person I can be, in THIS life. I live my life the best way I can, learning lessons I take from THIS life as best I can, for the benefit of this life and not having anything to do with what happens when I die. I realize that with many people, there may be patterns throughout past lives that a person has to recognize in order to not repeat them, learn from them, etc., but many of those patterns are also lived out again and again in our current lives. A woman who dates losers, for example, may have been killed by one in a past life, but she also may have been beaten by one in THIS life. Does she need to regress into her past lives to heal? In my opinion, she need only venture into this life and see what's there.

I believe that the "power that is" (God, for me) is loving and will help everyone who searches, regardless of whether or not they believe in Him, or in reincarnation, or whether or not they eat meat, or whether we should wear hats or WHATEVER.

My .02.

Kim
 
Dear Kim,

I think you are so right in all you have said. This is indeed true: what truly matters is what is happening NOW. Past and future are of lesser importance. However, I do feel that the belief or knowledge of reincarnation, and therefore the belief or knowledge in our imortality, the belief or knowledge that we are responsible for and respond for our actions, could truly make a difference in this confused little world of ours.
We can only but speculate regarding all this, of course.

Love,

Charles
 
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