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Dragonfly12

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Hi, everyone!
I remembered a past life as a prominent aristocrat in the 18th century, and I was able to trace letters, portraits that proved my memories true.
I'd like to know how many of you were aristocrats in past lives.
If so, were you able to trace letters and portraits?
Were you able to visit your former mansions or to see your former belongings (in museums or expositions)?
 
I have yet to open the box so to speak but I do feel that there is a strong connection there however I am playing it safe for now, I get a bit emotional and some old ways of thinking come up very strongly.
 
Unfortunately I was executed in the French Revolution. I would love to trace myself but I don’t think many records were kept and so don’t know how to start.
 
I either belonged to nobility or money nobility myself or was working for somebody who was really rich. Two times in a row. What makes me so sure? Well, what I saw of my clothes. Laced sleeves, embroideries and stuff. It also looks like I have met some rich, influential or "famous" people... the list is somewhat odd, but as I found out later, people traveled a lot at that time, far more than I would have guessed. Some people I have seen have matching portraits, for some other faces I found nothing. It also sometimes happens that I see an old painting and immediately know/feel that I have met this person. One man I saw myself with looked almost exactly like a painting made during his lifetime, just maybe a bit older. I saw his face in such high detail that I could have counted his wrinkles. This helped me to narrow down the time frame a lot.
When I saw myself riding two horses at once, I was not sure this is possible. Some time later I saw a documentary about a reenactment group where a man did the same horse trick.
As the personal servant of one of the rich and/or noble families (or who thought they were) or when I was a messenger, it would make sense that I was a good rider and knew some tricks, it also would make sense that I sometimes wore these fine clothes. Same if I was a nobleman myself.
 
UKPerson said:
Unfortunately I was executed in the French Revolution. I would love to trace myself but I don’t think many records were kept and so don’t know how to start.
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If you remember your name and your title you could ask French national archives and national galleries if they keep letters or paintings regarding that aristocrat.
You could even be able to find some information online! :)
If you lived at court, it would be really easy to find out were your mansion was (or is) located.
Many, many mansions survived the revolution and are still there, now being used as hotels or museums.

P.S. May I ask if you remembered your execution?
 
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I either belonged to nobility or money nobility myself or was working for somebody who was really rich. Two times in a row. What makes me so sure? Well, what I saw of my clothes. Laced sleeves, embroideries and stuff. It also looks like I have met some rich, influential or "famous" people... the list is somewhat odd, but as I found out later, people traveled a lot at that time, far more than I would have guessed. Some people I have seen have matching portraits, for some other faces I found nothing. It also sometimes happens that I see an old painting and immediately know/feel that I have met this person. One man I saw myself with looked almost exactly like a painting made during his lifetime, just maybe a bit older. I saw his face in such high detail that I could have counted his wrinkles. This helped me to narrow down the time frame a lot.
When I saw myself riding two horses at once, I was not sure this is possible. Some time later I saw a documentary about a reenactment group where a man did the same horse trick.
As the personal servant of one of the rich and/or noble families (or who thought they were) or when I was a messenger, it would make sense that I was a good rider and knew some tricks, it also would make sense that I sometimes wore these fine clothes. Same if I was a nobleman myself.
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Yes, it's possible that you worked for a noble family as a lord's "personal" servant. Those "personal" servants were treated very differently than other "regular" servants: they were held in great consideration by their masters, were trusted and used to wear fine clothes (sometimes even their master's /mistress' old clothes).
If your master used to attend the court, and you had to follow him there, that would explain how you were able to meet so many famous, noble people.
May I ask which century are you referring to?
 
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Dragonfly12 said:
Do you feel drawn to those countries and to that century, in this life?
Since childhood, I've been very attracted to the places and the century I spent that life in.
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Yes, definitely so. I love the male clothing and the weaponry of that time. I love the food at the music. But this thread is not about me, so let's get back to to the original topic.
 
During a walking meditation at a Zen retreat, I caught glimpses of a Chinese PL I was a noble woman, a widow, who ran a big house. Especially after my husband died, we (the household) lived a very strict and austere life even though I was wealthy. Servants and family, men and women, alike wore simple navy blue, silk outfits. We did intensive spiritual practice to train the mind towards equanimity. But I was out of touch with the common person, and there was a peasant revolt. A mob came, I was arrested, put in handcuffs, and taken away in a horse drawn carriage.

I’ve never been to China this lifetime. I’ve googled a little and didn’t find anything. Have been shy to ask someone knowledgeable in Chinese history.
 
I don't know much about Chinese history either, but got curious and searched a bit.
There were so many peasant revolts throughout the centuries that this only can give you hints when you have a general idea about the time. Same for horse-drawn carriages. Had been in use since the BC era and are still in use...
Do you remember any more details? Like, did you practice foot binding to keep your feet small or not? Were there any statues or ritual items you remember? Could give you hints about which religion or philosophy you were following.
Found this overview about clothing styles sorted by Dynasty: https://www.topchinatravel.com/china-guide/history-of-chinese-clothing.htm
 
In most of my memories, I wasn't poor: low aristocracy or middle class. My social status was usually a 'tool', like protection, so I could focus myself on other things than just survival. It didn't mean that I didn't have to work hard or that I was baded in luxury. It was just life, with a few more options to choose from, like being able to travel.
 
I'm not that into history but I do have a slight interest in the French revolution era. I especially like the way the nobility back then dressed. It's possible that I could of had a past life as nobility during the French revolution, but if so I dont remember it.
 
SeekerOfKnowledge said:
I don't know much about Chinese history either, but got curious and searched a bit.
There were so many peasant revolts throughout the centuries that this only can give you hints when you have a general idea about the time. Same for horse-drawn carriages. Had been in use since the BC era and are still in use...
Do you remember any more details? Like, did you practice foot binding to keep your feet small or not? Were there any statues or ritual items you remember? Could give you hints about which religion or philosophy you were following.
Found this overview about clothing styles sorted by Dynasty: https://www.topchinatravel.com/china-guide/history-of-chinese-clothing.htm
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I’m thinking it was fairly recent—as the modern era hit China in 19th or early 20th century. We wore simple, navy blue silk garments that you could move easily in. Similar to what in the West would be pajamas. I guess I was running a very disciplined Taoist household where everything was about precision and stillness in action. One glimpse I Got was a servant ran past a vase, even in his hurry to tell us that a mob was breaking down the doors, he stopped to steady the vase—force of practice. I don’t think we were bad people out oppressing the poor. I think times changed and we didn’t.

The outfit was sort of like the above, but what we wore didn’t button up the front. I think more like this.
 

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The second outfit looks heavy, bulky. I think it was spring or summer when I was arrested by the crowd. It was not just a mob, the local police were involved, there was a change in the political/ruling power, and there was to be some kind of trial. We were so focused on the household and practice, I don’t see us as going out and committing crimes. I think we were symbols of the past and part of an old economic order that they wanted to clear away. And of course the house had precious items to be looted. And we weren’t in touch with the plight of the common man or the rapid changes occurring around us.
 
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SeekerofKnowledge, thanks for asking. The memory came long ago during a time when I was hit with one challenge after the other. I reacted to it like it was me messing up again.
I’ve had a lot of structural issues and still trying to resolve some pelvic and neck issues even though hip surgery was long ago. Recently, I’ve begun kicking a bag at the gym, balancing on one leg, lunging at the bag with a long stick, etc. The movements feel so natural. I wanted to take TaiChi classes for years now, but couldn’t tolerate horse stance. Been doing tons of corrective things and am more ready.

So, now, connected to the clothes style, I have a name of the branch to investigate—Wudang. But these things have their own timing. I have been so long under a massive influence of medieval and ancient Christianity that it seemed like a bunch of that just needed to run its course.
 
I just get interested in other people's experiences sometimes and like to look things up. Especially, when it has nothing to do with me. Feels refreshing to experience this innocent curiosity again which is lacking when searching for own, possible PLs...
 
SeekerOfKnowledge said:
I just get interested in other people's experiences sometimes and like to look things up. Especially, when it has nothing to do with me. Feels refreshing to experience this innocent curiosity again which is lacking when searching for own, possible PLs...
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SeekerofKnowledge, Thanks! Sorry, if you’ve already answered this previously, but what is your overall take on PL memories? Are we learning lessons from our PLs? Do you find predominant themes in your array of characters?
 
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thyme, could you be thinking of the mao suits that were popular during the cultural revolution in China?

Being dragged out, arrested and "re educated" happened quite a bit to members of the imperial family, mine included.

I know you said you were wearing them, but something you said made me think it was during this time period.

Normal people would have been wearing clothes like this though during that time.
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thyme, could you be thinking of the mao suits that were popular during the cultural revolution in China?

Being dragged out, arrested and "re educated" happened quite a bit to members of the imperial family, mine included.

I know you said you were wearing them, but something you said made me think it was during this time period.

Normal people would have been wearing clothes like this though during that time.
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Totoro, that’s really interesting. Tho definitely NOT the Mao suit. I’m thinking it was early Nationalist period—late 1800s/early 1900s. That would make sense with the Western style horse carriage, law court, and police force.

I did a little Googling. Taoism was not popular with rulers at that point. It was seen as superstition by the Nationalists and more about folk religion that was being blamed for falling behind the West.
 
Thyme&Bay said:
SeekerofKnowledge, Thanks! Sorry, if you’ve already answered this previously, but what is your overall take on PL memories? Are we learning lessons from our PLs? Do you find predominant themes in your array of characters?
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Sorry, had overlooked this post.
I hope, at least, that I have learned something...
I seem to have found a couple patterns and try to work on them.
What I remember so far is like watching a movie like "Vantage Point" or "Cloud Atlas", but only parts of it and not in order. Like, there is some bigger picture and connection, but I cannot see it yet (even though it sometimes feels like I can almost see it). If that makes any sense.
Now back to the original topic...
 
Dragonfly12 said:
Hi, everyone!
I remembered a past life as a prominent aristocrat in the 18th century, and I was able to trace letters, portraits that proved my memories true.
I'd like to know how many of you were aristocrats in past lives.
If so, were you able to trace letters and portraits?
Were you able to visit your former mansions or to see your former belongings (in museums or expositions)?
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Yes I've been a aristocrat twice,both in my first life and my second life.In my first life I was a Irish Aristocratic woman,but I don't remember where the mansion is where I lived in.What I do Remember is that I moved to the United States somewhere around 1840,but that's all.For my second life I do Remember where the house is where me and my family lived in,but I think the confrontation with that house is going to be way to overwelming for me,so I haven't considered visiting it yet.
 
Hello, over about 25 past lives I have discovered yet, two of them can be called aristocratic for sure.

The first one was in Italia at end 15th- beginning 16th century. I was probably named Castrioto and lived in Venezia. I was involved in a secret society studying ancient knowledges. It was a mix of science and alchemy.

The second one is best known because I found exactly who I was. I was Sir Hoghton 5th baronet in Lancashire, England. I sieged four times in Parliament, in the House of Commons, between 1710 and 1741. It was a long life, I died nearly at age 90.

Sadly I have no portrait of Sir Hoghton, but I saw my face in regression. I don't have visited the Hoghton Tower mansion in my current life, but I hope I will one day. I'm curious to know if it would help me remember more. Neither have I visited Venice. I wanted to go but I'm not sure to do it. I know Venezia is overcrowded with tourists and venetians don't need more.
 
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