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Average past lives.

Okay, I want to hear about the average past lives. I've been on this forum for a few days now and have read countless posts of individuals claiming to have prominent past lives. Why was everyone a Nazi and/or executed Jew? Why was everyone a great Roman warrior?

What happens to the lifetimes in which you are a mechanic with 2.5 kids and a dog, you die naturally in old age, have healthy kids and grandchildren with relatively average lives, etc.? Do these people slip through the cracks somehow?

Why is it that everyone remembers being abused, murdered, glorious? Even the most 'normal/non-famous' lives described here still have some amazing significance, like having lost all your family in a war or something of that nature.

Even more amazing to me is how many family members reincarnate themselves back into a granchild or niece or nephew to let their mourning family members know that they are okay. Is reincarnation being used as a coping method for those grieving lost family members? Sometimes I can't help but feel that this is sometimes the case.

Perhaps it is the skeptic in me shining through, or perhaps it is just that people choose not to elaborate or tell stories about their "average" past lives. Personally, I'd like to hear more about the average lives.

I am more inclined to believe the past life memories of children, who seem to more often than not remember themselves as average people. It is in the adult section that I find more prominent past life figures. By prominent I do not mean celebrity/president/famous. By prominent I mean significant, exciting, mysterious, passionate, etc.

Someone, please tell me about your life as Joe Schmoe. You had a healthy boy and a healthy girl, a loving wife and a decent home. You were not filthy rich but you weren't struggling either. You died of the average, common health problems. Where are the Joe Schmoe past lives?
 
Well, I think we remember the exciting times in our lives, or the tragic, but most lives I remember I was joe schmoe--actually joe schmoe had it a little bit better off than most of my lives, but here goes a short synopisis:

Last life: happy life with three kids, loved my husband incredibly, we were pretty average except being a somewhat interracial couple in the 50's (Hispanic & Irish, but both attended same Catholic church) only thing dramatic was our deaths--in a house fire while our children were still young. But I had a lovely dream one day when I was first married about how this man and I had met and how he proposed (and woke up feeling terribly guilty for the love I felt for this person until I looked at my husband and realized it was the same man, in a different body).

Ones before that: I remember being a civil war widow, who remmained alone, lonely and bitter until becoming involved with the women's sufferage movement in my old age and meeting my next love--who as far as anyone else could see was just another old lady who I moved in with for company. (I don't know if lesbianism falls under Joe Schmoe, but i wasn't anyone famous.)

In a life that looked like something out of Little House on the Prairie, I was an abused wife, who with the help of friends escaped my husband only to die of smallpox shortly thereafter.

Late 1700's early 1800's I was a child in Eastern(?) Europe, daughter of a prostitute, who left home to work at a fairly young age, then later married and moved to America. I didn't have any children, but I died healthy at an old age, the only drama in my life was this very quiet inner demon that I never was able to go back after I left home and get my younger brother who I heard was sent to an orphanage after my mother's death.

The other ones where I seem to be just an average person are mostly snippets of past lives, not something where I remember the story of my life as those above.

There's two reasons I would give you for people remembering signifigant lives more: One is the Titantic phenomenon--that is, anyone who was on a ship that sank anywhere near the early 1900's, assumes they were on the Titantic, because that's the only one in history they know about, then because of that, your subconcious mind that records little details you've read about in the past about the Titantic interwines those details in with your memory. A memory is nowhere near a perfect thing, even in remembering one life--just listen to two siblings discuss their chidhood!

Two is that we remember what is signifigant to us. When asked why psychics aren't rich from the lottery, I explain that the numbers of lotteries don't make an emotional impact with us, and don't stay in our memories, so that accessing that information our "future memory" is as hard as accessing what the lottery numbers were April 12, 1994. It's like remembering things from early childhood--only the emotionally signifigant things will you remember, but if you start with a little bit of that, (like aunt Sylvia's dog that scared you) you can remember more (like the color of aunt Sylvia's couch).

Actually there's a third reason you hear more about signifigant lives--in trying to verify our memories, we're apt to discuss the ones we can look up in history books or talk about with others who remember similar events, it isn't always that that's all we remember, so much as that's what we're prone to talk about.
 
Hi,

Yeah, I guess there would be a certain percentage of reported PL´s that´s subconciously "made up" or at least overly dramatized. But then there´s the fact (or what I would think a fact) of the dramatic, intense lives (or parts of lives) being sharper ingrained in the consciousness and so, more likely to affect later lives and to be remembered. And also in need of spending time on and "processing".

Plus...I think the ideal average life that you´re describing would probably really be more rare than one with at least a couple of dramatic, over-turning episodes or patterns of events. My experience is, if you stop to look at the life of almost any so called average person you´ll soon discover stuff under the surface-look of things, that´ll blow you´re mind.

Still, if you look around the stories of average lives will be there. Perhaps not so eloquently laid out but that would only be in the nature of things, I suppose. After all, and naturally so, a boring story doesn´t lend itself to telling over and over in the way as one more colorful...:)



(BTW, in "Children´s PL" Carol Bowman´s telling of an experiment(can´t think oft he name of the lady making it now) made where collage students were regressed to remember PL´s and how the different lives were then ordered statistcally in class of society, occupation, etc.

And, the results did actually check out as historically correct percentagewise.
That is, the majority remembered lives as farmers, workers, etc., a smaller part middle-class lives and not very many remembered lives as noblemen, etc. Please, see the book for exact facts.)
 
Cindy;

Why was everyone a Nazi and/or executed Jew?
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To be honest, I have wondered the same thing.

Why was everyone a great Roman warrior?
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Uh, well I wouldn't say I was great :-P :D

It seems to me you mean average as in idyllic, so that would be my most recent life. Middle child of 3 in a 1950s style family living in a "modern" 1960s style house, all the creature comforts our parents didn't have when they were growing up. People have told me it is too idyllic. That since my current life is in such sharp contrast to that typical vision, I subconsciously want the "average" "ideal" "perfect" life. :rolleyes: Maybe so, if idyllic means dying accidentally before turning 21. I know you said long lives and natural causes but sadly, a lot of teens and 20-somethings die in accidents.

If you want mundane, seemingly pointless, stuff then I must share the life before that, as the eldest of about 5 siblings. Ended up getting widowed (OK so it was in a war) and spent the next several decades doing basically nothing. It was actually a relief to end that existence (took sick one winter) because it was so boring.

Reflecting over the lives I know about, your question makes sense because there's something unusual or dramatic in each one - even if it is only one notable event or aspect. You've showed me to examine them and compare them to those of other adults and those of kids. I'll admit it is likely that my "memory" is a bit distorted by my expectations, the Titantic phenomenon, etc... which is why it would have been nice to get at the memories while I was still very young. But every time I sit down and play the "what do I know is real" game I get the same result: most of it, or maybe even all of it.
 
What happens to the lifetimes in which you are a mechanic with 2.5 kids and a dog, you die naturally in old age, have healthy kids and grandchildren with relatively average lives, etc.? Do these people slip through the cracks somehow?
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That sounds idyllic to me, I think a lot of people would like to have a life like that (past or present),
stable and relatively happy.
Of course such lives exist, but real life is most of all different.
Especially when you've lived in times of war or poverty,
and in the Middle Ages only the happy few died in old age.

When it's about life, this one or a past one, we remember the things which were important to us,
which affected us emotionally.
That could be love, or death, or war, or fear, or pain.
And some of those emotional moments aren't fun at all,
that's why people tend to remember the tragic and dramatic things of their life.
Especially when someone died a violent death this memory can be carried over to the next life.

Being famous or glorious or average isn't what matters,
but how you felt, what you've learned and where you're going.

Curious Girl.
 
HI Cindy,

We are currently working on the Past Lives Archive -which contains many average life times posted on the forum in the past five years. There are 27 pages of posts in the adult section alone and many of these PL memories are buried in threads that are also many pages long.

You said -
Is reincarnation being used as a coping method for those grieving lost family members? Sometimes I can't help but feel that this is sometimes the case.
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Have you read Carol's book - Return from Heaven? It is filled with cases of American children who remember being a family member from before. If you study reincarnation for any length of time -what surfaces is the fact that our consciousness creates -who we are - where we are born, and the circumstances of our next life time. There are also many level to my previous statement. ;)

When you suggest that within human history the "average person" should outweigh huge catastrophic events its hard to understand. I mean -- what do you consider average? The Great American leave it to Beaver Family? *S*S*S I kind of sounds that way in your question.

You have to consider the events of our past -- like the holocaust -(Which over 6 million Jews were killed) and The Roman Empire - and when you consider the amount of people living during that time period and the many many years that the Empires covered -it was LIFE at that time. In that place.

Is it really any wonder - that people remember being killed as a Jew? 6 Million Jews- that's a lot. I also cannot help but think - that when WWI and WWII happened - it was just that - a WORLD WAR -therefore - how can anyone NOT be touched by the events that happened?

I was an average Italian woman -whose whole family was killed in WWI- but does that make my life time then -not average? Just because my family was killed? I was a black slave girl in the South during the Civil War before that. Do you consider slave life times -not average? How many slaves lived during 1650 -1867 in America. Probably millions.

I would also like to point out - that the first memories that surface for most people are traumatic, or fearful, or laced with guilt -shame or the like. That is because the ethereal body remembers and it is that energy that needs to be brought to consciousness and healed. IMO.

Shield - the woman's name in Carol's book is Helen Wambach, Ph.D. and her book is titled Reliving Past Lives
 
I can't say that the lives I remember are particularly dramatic. I think that at least for me the memory was triggered by things actually happening in my present times. I think had 9/11 not happened I might not have been able to recall my samurai pl. I guess there was sort of a personal need to get in touch with that. My most average past life was being a jew in egypt around the roman times waiting for the messiah. At least from what I can tell I don't think that I found what I was looking for. I think I died pretty old for the times (although I don't know how or why). All I can remember really is looking at old scrolls with hebrew writing on them. I don't talk about it much because there really isn't much to tell.
 
That's intriguing Honor. I've read that in the 1st century AD, there was widespread expectation of a Messiah, who was expected to be a military leader who would throw off the yoke of Roman oppression from Jerusalem. Also I've read about the large and learned community of Jewish settlers in Egypt - in Alexandria in particular. Glad you shared that.

Well, I've had various ideas about where I "might have been," but I'll stick with the two encounters I had with regression hypnosis. I've had no external validation for these either, but neither these nor the possible other things I'm keeping in a mental bin at the back of my mind, were in any way famous or notable.

First one: a subsistence farmer in a hot climate in a very flat land. Seemed to be suffering from malnutrition (distended stomach), and very sort of dull-witted (perhaps also due to malnutrition). It seemed that he was proudest of having twin sons - and I got the idea that twins were somehow lucky or special - a distinction. Seemed to have died by keeling over in a drought stricken field - stroke? Heart attack? Starvation? Don't know.

Second one: a very overweight, shy man who was employed in a menial capacity in what seemed to be a Late period or possibly Ptolemaic egyptian temple - possibly Khnum. I think he lived at home with his mother, though sometimes seemed to sleep in a small cubby-hole of a room at the temple. His mother seemed more ambitious for him than he was for himself (and seemed to be the person who got him the 'job' at the temple), but she basically gave up on him as he was pretty much a disappointment. His favorite thing was taking inventory of temple goods. He participated in malicious gossip against rivals and seemed very dependent on the institution he was attached to, and upon his mother who he also resented for pushing him. Also, it seemed he was mocked in the streets.

There's my story and here's a grain of salt to take with it! ;)

Szo
 
Famous/traumatic

Cindy, there is a major distinction between famous past lives and dramatic events in past lives.

Re famous lives, go to the FAQ forum and check out the topic "Why does everyone claim to have a famous past life?" I wrote the article, and I think you'll find some possible answers to your question in it. It's an uncomfortable reality for many people interested in reincarnation, but fact is, some people who claim famous past lives are simply deluded.

As far as dramatic events go, people tend to be more likely to remember those aspects of their past lives that have left an emotional residue -- same as within this life. E.g., probably few here remember where they were on the morning of Sept. 15, 2000. But I'm sure we all remember exactly where we were on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. Traumatic events leave strong residues, which can remain with the soul even across lives, and in some cases need therapy so as to correct resulting phobias, obsessions or other problems.

I think children tend to remember more mundane events that adults because they simply remember more events more easily than adults, so the traumatic ones just become part of the mix. As they get older they are likelier to retain traumatic memories than everyday ones. Regression therapy is always going to unearth traumatic memories, because such events produce the problems that people to go to regression therapists to solve.

I can't imagine there is anyone who has lived a series of lives who hasn't had something traumatic happen in at least one of them...

Love & peace,
Karen
 
HI Cindy,

I am curious -- what you think of the replies you have received in this thread? You made some really interesting and thoughtful points and you received some really good thoughts about them from others. What are your thoughts now?
 
Okay, I think my post was taken a bit too literally.

In reference to the Holocaust, let's remember that although there were millions involved as prisoners in concentration camps or in the war as nazis (etc.), there were millions of others all across the world who were not involved in it.

The statistics presented seem to exclude those who did not engage in glorious battles, did not live anywhere near or have any participation in any particularly significant part of history, etc.

Does everyone have a certain amount of drama in life? Yes, but not everyone was a war hero or some intriguing, major figure in history. My friend also brought up a good point - where are the Chinese past lives? China has an outrageous population.

Where are the past lives in African tribes, in Scandinavia during peaceful times, etc? Why was everyone part of the Civil War, the Holocaust, the French Revolution, etc.? Why did no one live in the obscure, not-so-significant countries/areas in history?

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying some of the replies I've gotten.
 
Hello Cindy,

I'm only a member for 8 months (peanuts ;)) and I also had millions and millions of questions. One of these questions was the famous-past-life-question. I also thought that a lot of people tried to give their ego a boost by "remembering" being rich, notorious or famous. But after reading a lot of other past life memories as well I found out that it isn't like that at all.
Even those who suffered in the French Revolution or who fought in the Civil War were most of all very common people and common soldiers. It was a relief to know, it normalized reincarnation for me.

Of course there are always people who make things up,
who want to be interesting, but I think that most members here are very honest about their past life experiences. When they're not sure about a date or a name, they say they're not sure,
if they don't have any past life memories at all, the same thing.

I'm such a yes-but-maybe person. I have some memories, but I can't prove them, some of my memories feel very real, others look like common dreams, I can only guess the whole picture of my past life.

But it's ok to stay curious, to ask yourself and the members here this sort of questions, that's the way to find out how things work in life.

Curious Girl.
 
To me it seems an underlying theme of this debate is:" if we admit there may be lives experienced as remembered, famous, glorious or not, that aren´t true in the strict meaning of a past life then all of the underpinnings of this belief/experience will threaten to fall away." But I can´t see that this would be so in any way.

Sure there will be lives that are made up in one or meaning or another of the word in regards to being PL´s(Which doesn´t preclude the possibilty of them being true in some other sense;psychological archetype, parallell life, tuning in to a whole other person or what have you. They may of course also be meaningless conscious or subconcious fabrications in the purpose of ego-boosting... or whatever).

So? :confused: ;). It wouldn´t shake the factof reincarnation [or even the fair possibilty of it being a fact] a bit as far as I can see. No?
 
Come to think of it, years ago I was told by someone reasonably psychic that I´d had a life in China where I´d suffered some kind of imprisonment. I had all but forgotten this until now.

Didn´t even think of it last year, many years later, when I had this strong dream of being chained to the wall in some horrible chinese prison. The dream me was definitely me in the first person but at same time distinctly different from my waking state persona.

Past Life? Might be or might not.
 
Hi All

I certainly think it is hard to determine what is average and what is not in light of how we often view history through quite different eyes to the ones that originally experienced it firsthand. What may seem “romantic” or historically marked in some way nowadays may not have felt quite the same way back then.

As far as average lives go, from some short snippets I have received in meditation, I believe I spent one life (more recently) as a Tibetan monk (but I guess even that could be viewed as above average depending on opinion and personal perspective). It was at no pinnacle of Tibetan history that I’m aware of and I just spent my time peacefully content in the ways I had given my life over to…not very eventful, but pleasant enough and nice and quiet ;)

I have seen another life where I possibly lived as an Indian man. He was single, alone and of a very low caste. He lived in a hovel of a place and was shunned by most of the other villagers. It was a very lonely life and as you can guess, the guys self esteem was pretty much hitting the floor in this life. I have also viewed a possible life as a Native American woman who was married to an American trapper…not during any major time or war in American history that I can associate with as again I have only everyday memories of my life and my husband, family and child. Another is as a young boy in England whose life become attached in some way to ships (so maybe I travelled across to the Americas for a “better life”, or maybe I simply worked on one???) not sure on that yet. One possible life spent as a nun on the coast of Ireland or Scotland I believe – cleaning floors mostly that I remember (LOL). Two in Egypt (once as a female, once as a male). One in China (which I have only so far viewed as a very young girl and through her eyes, so have nothing really concrete to go on as far as time, etc…but it was an early dynasty and one of my earlier lives I believe). Another in Judea as a man…

I say “possible” in all accounts, because in all these experiences - although I emotionally connected to them and can see some connections within some of them to my present persona, interests, skills, etc – they were only short snippets that I have received flashes of once or twice in meditations, partnered explorations or dreams. The only life I have gained any kind of verification on personally has been my Egyptian life and possibly the Chinese life, as someone else has been able to verify my memories through their own without even being aware of mine beforehand. I still remain open on all of it though.

All things in the arena of reincarnation and connected subjects are based on experiential reality and personal perception in my opinion, you can’t verify anything to another unless they are able to experience it themselves…and even then their personal reflection will be quite different from your own in many ways – that’s what makes us all so unique in our individuality. I think ones belief is always a personal thing (whether it be in a religion, in this area of thought, or any other) which is why people find it so hard to give other people the “material” they often ask for – as always, this is all just my personal opinion also ;)
 
I dont remember average lives. The fact is that most of them became more than average doesn't change the fact of how I started out in those lives...average and unkown. Also most of them are only famous in one very small country. If I'm mistaken or deluded why would I not have more grandiose claims?

I wish my current life had been 'average' too but we seem to manifest our own dilemmas. I thought I was stepping up when the time demanded it. I didn't realise that I demanded the time until I remembered reincarnation.

For instance....I remember enjoying the admiration of four young women in my most recent pl. I might have been speaking to thousands at the time but its not the speech that's most significant about that memory...it's not the stuff recorded in history. Its just the memory of a young man having his ego stroked by pretty girls. Something every young straight man would enjoy.

An average memory in an above average life.
 
Here’s an average one from me. I get pretty much everything from my dreams. I think it’s past life related at least. It was a series of short dreams, one after the other, short snippets of a life. Basically, I saw a man and his family progress through time. Sometimes from his eyes sometimes from third person. I don’t remember a lot, but one was me stepping out of the door of a cabin to greet a woman. Another was of me beside a cart/wagon with family around me. None of the scenes stuck out as anything really exciting. No violence nothing earth shattering, just a man and his family going from young to old. As the dream was nearing the end a thought entered my mind. “ That was a good and well lived life.” Then I woke up. It was such a nondescript life. I have no idea what country or time period other than there were carts pulled by animals. Not completely sure it was mine, but I knew a good life when I saw it.
 
Allahandria said:
After reading accounts on this site, elsewhere on the web, and those of friends, I constantly hear people going on and on about who they were when they were famous. I never want to discount these people, as if all this is as real as it feels, then famous people would get reincarnated too. Yet, at the same time, my own clearest memories are of being nobody. hehe.

These are memories I even share with other people, like a house that I lived in with one of my best friends, and another living down the road aways. I wrote about this house as a child, we've all dreamed of it, and we all know the basic floor plan and even want to find it again, but all lived relatively mundane lives. Not everyone has been somebody terribly famous. Although in most of the lives I remember something important happened -- but it wasn't something terribly important to the whole world.

do you think that people discount past lives because of how many people declare themselves to have been famous? Is it possible that these memories aren't real, and may even be blocking the real ones?
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Many many people claim, at the same time, to be the reincarnation of the same famous people, so many of them are lying or are delusional.
I think this horde of people claiming to be Caesar, Cleopatra, Napoleon, Nelson, Elizabeth I, etc etc clearly make skeptic people even more skeptical about reincanation.
I remembered many "regular"past lives. So far, I've never remembered being a slave or a servant , or a king.
A couple of times I've been a prominent aristocrat, well known at the time, but nowadays forgotten.
Here the lives I remembered so far through regressive hypnosis:
-A life as a caveman
-A life as the chief of a tribe in the Middle East, thousands years ago, way before even Judaism was born.
-A life as an official in the Pharaoh's palace in Ancient Egypt
-A life as an Anubi's priest in Ancient Egypt
-A life as a scholar in Ancient Greece
-A life as a patrician in ancient Rome during the transition from Republic to Empire
-A life as a monk in the Middle Ages
-A life as a noble landowner's wife in the Middle Ages.
-A life as a merchant in 1300 in what today is called Germany
-A life as a knight of a fighting order in early 1400 Italy
-A life as a persecuted jew burned at stake.
-A life as a prominent aristocrat in Tudor England
-A life as a wealthy farmer's wife in 1600
-A life as a sort of notary in Japan
-A life as a prominent aristocrat in 1700 England.
AND, in this life, during childhood, I spontaneously had memories of a life as an American soldier held prisoner , and then killed, in a Japanese labor camp during WWII.
 
Dragonfly12 said:
Many many people claim, at the same time, to be the reincarnation of the same famous people, so many of them are lying or are delusional.
I think this horde of people claiming to be Caesar, Cleopatra, Napoleon, Nelson, Elizabeth I, etc etc clearly make skeptic people even more skeptical about reincanation.
I remembered many "regular"past lives. So far, I've never remembered being a slave or a servant , or a king.
A couple of times I've been a prominent aristocrat, well known at the time, but nowadays forgotten.
Here the lives I remembered so far through regressive hypnosis:
-A life as a caveman
-A life as the chief of a tribe in the Middle East, thousands years ago, way before even Judaism was born.
-A life as an official in the Pharaoh's palace in Ancient Egypt
-A life as an Anubi's priest in Ancient Egypt
-A life as a scholar in Ancient Greece
-A life as a patrician in ancient Rome during the transition from Republic to Empire
-A life as a monk in the Middle Ages
-A life as a noble landowner's wife in the Middle Ages.
-A life as a merchant in 1300 in what today is called Germany
-A life as a knight of a fighting order in early 1400 Italy
-A life as a persecuted jew burned at stake.
-A life as a prominent aristocrat in Tudor England
-A life as a wealthy farmer's wife in 1600
-A life as a sort of notary in Japan
-A life as a prominent aristocrat in 1700 England.
AND, in this life, during childhood, I spontaneously had memories of a life as an American soldier held prisoner , and then killed, in a Japanese labor camp during WWII.
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Wow thats impressive that you recall all of these
 
What is certain about people these days as it probably has always been when there is dissatisfaction with life and the need for some form of recognition in society people will always make claims on famous lives regardless of their being anything to prove it or not. Lets face it our current society has people backed into little corners where their lives have become meaningless and unfulfilled with horrendous 9 to 5 grinds in workplace bullpens. I honestly want out and spend the rest of my years as a monk or shaman rather than being another pointless disposable worker ant to monopoly corporations and Orwellian governments.
 
You may have a distaste for modern life but the past had its own problems too There and back again.

Personally though I'm delighted to fade into memory and eventually vanish from everyone's memories. When I live a life where I don't do that a lot of nonsense is built up around me. I've had enough of nonsense.
 
Jim78 said:
You may have a distaste for modern life but the past had its own problems too There and back again.

Personally though I'm delighted to fade into memory and eventually vanish from everyone's memories. When I live a life where I don't do that a lot of nonsense is built up around me. I've had enough of nonsense.
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Ive been researching Gnostic beliefs recently. Its interesting that they believe reincarnation is a trap setup by archons who tap into our energy while we are trapped in our flesh suits. They say we are powerful spirits and we should avoid the light as its a trap.
Maybe to escape this is to avoid the light?
 
I dunno briski. I've had visitation dreams with my late father and brother and they didn't seem to have fallen into a trap. They seemed happy and at peace. I don't buy that this life is part of a trap. If anything we seem to have trapped ourselves here.
 
Allahandria said:
After reading accounts on this site, elsewhere on the web, and those of friends, I constantly hear people going on and on about who they were when they were famous. I never want to discount these people, as if all this is as real as it feels, then famous people would get reincarnated too. Yet, at the same time, my own clearest memories are of being nobody. hehe.

These are memories I even share with other people, like a house that I lived in with one of my best friends, and another living down the road aways. I wrote about this house as a child, we've all dreamed of it, and we all know the basic floor plan and even want to find it again, but all lived relatively mundane lives. Not everyone has been somebody terribly famous. Although in most of the lives I remember something important happened -- but it wasn't something terribly important to the whole world.

do you think that people discount past lives because of how many people declare themselves to have been famous? Is it possible that these memories aren't real, and may even be blocking the real ones?
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Allahandria
I have not been involved with this forum for long but this is the most interesting view I have read so far.
I constantly question myself for believing that I have been reincarnated and usually come to the logical conclusion that it is just my imagination and even the regression sessions I have been through are just me indulging myself.
If we have physically lived before what percentage chance is there that we were a person of any significance ?
Compared to the many millions of people that have inhabited this planet
Personally I have recollections of five former lives of which three I have more vivid memories and in none of them would I claim any fame or significance.
In fact the life I connect with the most happiness in is one when I died as a child in Ireland from very humble surroundings.
In regression the joy I felt from just playing in a field surpasses anything else I have experienced and the regret that this life was so short is the most disappointing
 
Christopher Rose said:
If we have physically lived before what percentage chance is there that we were a person of any significance ?
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The percentage chance is low indeed, but the phrasing irks me.
Living the life of an "average joe" whose name doesn't appear in the media and who isn't involved in any "big" event does not mean that this individual is insignificant.
"John the Farmer" still will be of utter importance to his wife and children.
Not everyone is famous or ever was, but I don't think fame equals significance. Without farmers, bakers... even the most famous people would starve.

I remember all different kinds of lives, both male and female, in different countries and both rich and poor. In most if not all, I appear to have been a "nobody" as nobody can be. I still have witnessed a famous event or two and met quite a few famous people, as one of the crowd in most cases.
 
In answer to the OPs question, whilst I 100% believe that historical figures must be reborn just like the rest of us, I find the idea of multiple claimants does weaken the case for reincarnation amongst people who are already struggling to believe. It even shakes my own belief to be honest.

I think I've possibly written about this somewhere else on the forum a few years ago, but all the lives I've remembered were people of no historical significance.

In my last life I believe I was a girl who was left waiting for a soldier who never returned from the Great War, she worked in a factory and was 16 when he died. The first part sounds romantic, but she died aged 79/80, having never married, never really having experienced much in life, just getting by without much money and waiting to see him again. I did verify this on the census, so even though she was quite unremarkable, she made a mark in history nonetheless, even if it was just a name and various dates of birth and death!

I also remember being a young nobleman in 16th Century France, he died in a war but quite unremarkably. He was delivering a message and was struck down by enemy soldiers. Again, he'd done nothing with his life, he felt he'd missed out on the balls and the dances. He felt his family were very important at the time, which had a huge impact on his life and behaviour, but they were impoverished and of no historical significance outside of his town.

I've had snippets of a life in Georgian England as a vicar's daughter, I feel she felt herself to be important because her father was notable in the village, but again, not in the wider county, let alone the world!

I've had dreams and memories of being a Scottish woman, perhaps around 1700s. Most of them relate to being in a camp as young woman, as men prepared for battle. I think she made a good marriage, even if it was a slightly cold one, and lived in a fine house. She had three children, the only children I ever recall having!

I also have one memory of a life in India, I felt as though I was a child, perhaps around 8 or 9, perched on a hillside watching a procession of elephants enter into an archway.
 
Hi Whippoorwill.

Multiple claims weaken my resolve too and I'm an FPL claimant. There seems to be a deluge of FPL claims and it results in many sneers from many people. I battle my own cynicism at times because of them too.

Although some in my soul groups current incarnations will be FPL claims if they remember their current lives in future incarnations so in my experience prominent people will most likely have more than one prominent life.
 
Allahandria said:
After reading accounts on this site, elsewhere on the web, and those of friends, I constantly hear people going on and on about who they were when they were famous. I never want to discount these people, as if all this is as real as it feels, then famous people would get reincarnated too. Yet, at the same time, my own clearest memories are of being nobody. hehe.

These are memories I even share with other people, like a house that I lived in with one of my best friends, and another living down the road aways. I wrote about this house as a child, we've all dreamed of it, and we all know the basic floor plan and even want to find it again, but all lived relatively mundane lives. Not everyone has been somebody terribly famous. Although in most of the lives I remember something important happened -- but it wasn't something terribly important to the whole world.

do you think that people discount past lives because of how many people declare themselves to have been famous? Is it possible that these memories aren't real, and may even be blocking the real ones?
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I think there is a real element of distrust when it comes to reincarnation from people that dont believe in it. Certainly when there are so many claims of I used to be someone famous with adults and not so many I used to be a chimney sweeper or various other not so glamourous roles. The reason why I said adults as it appears children remembering their past lives tends not to be quite so glamourous.
 
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