Birthmarks and unexplained scars (Merged)
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Kateet
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Oh, dear! I sincerely hope I do not retain any of my surgical scars into my next life. Ick! Yuck!
What determines whether or not people might retain scars from a previous life, the way they die? a trauma they experienced?
And then, why? Only if it serves some purpose in the new life?
Educate me, if you please!
Kat
What determines whether or not people might retain scars from a previous life, the way they die? a trauma they experienced?
And then, why? Only if it serves some purpose in the new life?
Educate me, if you please!
Kat
Kat,
DON'T PANIC.
lol
I would assume that some keep scars from life to the next and some don't. Of course, we all have seen Gorbachev's "birthmark." Now, that to me is so obviously a blood wound; I mean, it is so bizarre to say anything else, really!
I have a tiny scar on my hand from where one of our dogs bit me 16 years ago when she was a mere puppy. However, I seriously doubt it will show up on my next body.
I think whether or not someone's scar shows up depends on how traumatic or affecting the scar was, and if the person thinks (consciously or unconsciously) they will benefit from continuing to have it.
Why would Gorbachev choose to have that scar in this life? It could have even been for someone else...if it had happened in a war, for example, someone else could have seen it and their memory could have been ignited.
Oh heck, there could be so many reasons.
Peace!,
DJ
DON'T PANIC.
lol
I would assume that some keep scars from life to the next and some don't. Of course, we all have seen Gorbachev's "birthmark." Now, that to me is so obviously a blood wound; I mean, it is so bizarre to say anything else, really!
I have a tiny scar on my hand from where one of our dogs bit me 16 years ago when she was a mere puppy. However, I seriously doubt it will show up on my next body.
I think whether or not someone's scar shows up depends on how traumatic or affecting the scar was, and if the person thinks (consciously or unconsciously) they will benefit from continuing to have it.
Why would Gorbachev choose to have that scar in this life? It could have even been for someone else...if it had happened in a war, for example, someone else could have seen it and their memory could have been ignited.
Oh heck, there could be so many reasons.
Peace!,
DJ
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sunday
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Kat, Ian Stevenson did a book on birthmarks and all...and if I remember correctly, it's how the person died in a past life that determines the birthmark...and most people with one died VERY VIOLENTLY!
Sunday
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Kateet
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Dear DJ and Sunday,
I certainly hope my soul doesn't think I need this scar next time around. I used to think that having the scars, in someway, was part of what I had to overcome in this life.
Thats because, well when I was young, I was reasonably attractive. I really miss that figure, LOL! Anyway, people couldn't tell there was anything wrong with me (except some doctors). The scars could be a terrible shock. This made dating and thoughts of a serious relationship a real issue for me.
How can you tell someone you do not really know something as personal as that? Is it better to wait until the relationship at least 'seems' serious? Nope. It was seen as a terrible betrayal. My mother acted as if I should have the information tattoed to my forhead. Can you imagine telling a man you have only recently met (or a teenage boy which is must worse since we are SO body concious at that age) that I have a scar between my breasts? Get real!!!
My husband thought my scars were ugly, by themselves. He is correct. They are ugly. But, he loves me so he got used to them. End of problem.
Very violently, you say. I guess its a matter of definition. I have thought about it for years because the car that hit me, in the left hip was big, shiny, black, and fairly new. It was the 1930s. It was a city. I don't know where. We immigrated there and I used to think, maybe to the USA but I actually have NO idea of the city. After all, people immigrated one part of world to another, not necessarily to the US.
Anyway, my left hip is partially dislocated and I walk with a limp favoring my left hip. I never once made a connection between the two, that car hitting me in the left hip and being born with that hip already damaged. In the 'accident', I flew up and sort of tipped down so that my forehead hit the edge of the sidewalk. I have a 'deformity' that feels like a dent as if my head had been cracked open at one time, from the top of my left eyebrow, up and back past the hairline. It is deepest right at the hairline.
To me, that sounds like evidence of the injuries I suffered when I was killed. It was violent, to my way of thinking. When I was a small child, I used to say my heart had been "broken and scattered" in my chest to explain my medical condition involving both my heart and lungs. In my last life, my son was stolen from us right off the street and emotionally, if not literally, broke and scattered my heart.
Do you or other people you know (or anyone else at the forum) have similar maladies?
Kat
I certainly hope my soul doesn't think I need this scar next time around. I used to think that having the scars, in someway, was part of what I had to overcome in this life.
Thats because, well when I was young, I was reasonably attractive. I really miss that figure, LOL! Anyway, people couldn't tell there was anything wrong with me (except some doctors). The scars could be a terrible shock. This made dating and thoughts of a serious relationship a real issue for me.
How can you tell someone you do not really know something as personal as that? Is it better to wait until the relationship at least 'seems' serious? Nope. It was seen as a terrible betrayal. My mother acted as if I should have the information tattoed to my forhead. Can you imagine telling a man you have only recently met (or a teenage boy which is must worse since we are SO body concious at that age) that I have a scar between my breasts? Get real!!!
My husband thought my scars were ugly, by themselves. He is correct. They are ugly. But, he loves me so he got used to them. End of problem.
Very violently, you say. I guess its a matter of definition. I have thought about it for years because the car that hit me, in the left hip was big, shiny, black, and fairly new. It was the 1930s. It was a city. I don't know where. We immigrated there and I used to think, maybe to the USA but I actually have NO idea of the city. After all, people immigrated one part of world to another, not necessarily to the US.
Anyway, my left hip is partially dislocated and I walk with a limp favoring my left hip. I never once made a connection between the two, that car hitting me in the left hip and being born with that hip already damaged. In the 'accident', I flew up and sort of tipped down so that my forehead hit the edge of the sidewalk. I have a 'deformity' that feels like a dent as if my head had been cracked open at one time, from the top of my left eyebrow, up and back past the hairline. It is deepest right at the hairline.
To me, that sounds like evidence of the injuries I suffered when I was killed. It was violent, to my way of thinking. When I was a small child, I used to say my heart had been "broken and scattered" in my chest to explain my medical condition involving both my heart and lungs. In my last life, my son was stolen from us right off the street and emotionally, if not literally, broke and scattered my heart.
Do you or other people you know (or anyone else at the forum) have similar maladies?
Kat
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sunday
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Peter, Stevenson was studying BIG. really obvious, some very strange birthmarks...not little itty-bitty ones on someone's big toe or hidden under their hair. But it sounds like to me you very well may have been injured in the chest in a past life, and died from the injury. And if you want to argue about that or contradict that, dear, you go ahead. I am truly glad you are back.
Kat, no birthmarks here...oh, except for the ones Peter insists I have hidden away some place...but I do strongly suspect my sinus/allergy problems I've had my whole life are related to my Holocaust life.
Sunday
Kat, no birthmarks here...oh, except for the ones Peter insists I have hidden away some place...but I do strongly suspect my sinus/allergy problems I've had my whole life are related to my Holocaust life.
Sunday
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Kateet
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Alright people, what about the famous 'stork bite'? All of my boys were born with one. So was I. My husband still has his. I've read that it is VERY common but usually fades as we get older or, as in my husband's case, moves upwards as the person grows and becomes part of the scalp.
Since they are so common, what might they signify? I don't think it would necessarily have to do with death, how, when, or where. But, what else might it have to do with?
Still being educated, and having fun too, Kat
Since they are so common, what might they signify? I don't think it would necessarily have to do with death, how, when, or where. But, what else might it have to do with?
Still being educated, and having fun too, Kat
Sunday, I've always wondered about my mark on my chest. When I was very little, I used to think that I was shot in the chest during a past life. Back then, I associated it with Vietnam, probably just because of all the movies back then relating to that war. I really didn't know of other wars.
However, since then, I've been told that the birth mark on my chest is not from a physical injury, but an emotional one. It seems that in my most recent life, my wife tragically died in an accident of some kind. I guess I took it pretty hard and those emotional scars (literally) extended into my present life as a reminder. Although that is what I was told, I'm not sure it rings true with me.
It is, however, the same size as a bullet, and if I was indeed shot there, it would have been fatal. And I did fight in the Napoleanic Wars with the British...
LOL, I'm not that argumentive, am I?
Happy to be back.
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However, since then, I've been told that the birth mark on my chest is not from a physical injury, but an emotional one. It seems that in my most recent life, my wife tragically died in an accident of some kind. I guess I took it pretty hard and those emotional scars (literally) extended into my present life as a reminder. Although that is what I was told, I'm not sure it rings true with me.
It is, however, the same size as a bullet, and if I was indeed shot there, it would have been fatal. And I did fight in the Napoleanic Wars with the British...
LOL, I'm not that argumentive, am I?
Happy to be back.
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catseye
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Howw did I miss this thread?!
Kateet, don't worry about the scars! Your beauty is much more than skin deep. Next life time I imagine you'll be the next Marilyn Monroe. (P.S. stay away from sleeping pills and politicians.)
What I gathered from years of studying reincarnation, physical scars are carry overs from the traumatic death experience in a previous, closely related lifetime. Emotional scars carry through much longer.
Which means that we may have some physical abnormalities (that doctors can't find) that are directly related to emotional sources in other lives. Personally I have a bum knee, (shot in civil war, not killed though. Doctors can't find anything wrong with it, but I have had the limp off an on since I was a child.) I also have horrible sinuses, terrible throat. (I worked the Euthanasia Program in a WW2 Sanitarium.) No medicine seems to FIX the allergies.
Peter, maybe you were shot in Vietnam. You just haven't had a need to access that lifetime yet.
Argente, love the mustache.
Anyhow Folks, we are only beginning to scratch the surface of the 'science' where "No One Has Gone Before!"
catseye
Kateet, don't worry about the scars! Your beauty is much more than skin deep. Next life time I imagine you'll be the next Marilyn Monroe. (P.S. stay away from sleeping pills and politicians.)
What I gathered from years of studying reincarnation, physical scars are carry overs from the traumatic death experience in a previous, closely related lifetime. Emotional scars carry through much longer.
Which means that we may have some physical abnormalities (that doctors can't find) that are directly related to emotional sources in other lives. Personally I have a bum knee, (shot in civil war, not killed though. Doctors can't find anything wrong with it, but I have had the limp off an on since I was a child.) I also have horrible sinuses, terrible throat. (I worked the Euthanasia Program in a WW2 Sanitarium.) No medicine seems to FIX the allergies.
Peter, maybe you were shot in Vietnam. You just haven't had a need to access that lifetime yet.
Argente, love the mustache.
Anyhow Folks, we are only beginning to scratch the surface of the 'science' where "No One Has Gone Before!"
catseye
Oh....interesting
I haven't been online for a couple of days and I hadn't realised how much this post had grown....birthmarks very interesting
I've always found this topic very interesting, I've read a lot of Stevenson's stuff on this research and it all seems to correlate very well, but I wonder more about facial scars and birthmarks, especially like as DJ described in the case of Gorbachev. Are they always wounds, couldn't they sometimes be something different...I mean being born with a facial mark would have many lessons behind it in societu, despite the standpoint of most, is beauty only skin deep in the eyes of the mass?
Most of the cases I've read have been based around past life injuries and wounds, and I believe greatly in a lot of the theories being put forward, but I've never read anything on other possible issues that could have to do with reincarnation other than scar tissue....has anyone else?
Lots of Love
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Kelly
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I haven't been online for a couple of days and I hadn't realised how much this post had grown....birthmarks very interesting
I've always found this topic very interesting, I've read a lot of Stevenson's stuff on this research and it all seems to correlate very well, but I wonder more about facial scars and birthmarks, especially like as DJ described in the case of Gorbachev. Are they always wounds, couldn't they sometimes be something different...I mean being born with a facial mark would have many lessons behind it in societu, despite the standpoint of most, is beauty only skin deep in the eyes of the mass?
Most of the cases I've read have been based around past life injuries and wounds, and I believe greatly in a lot of the theories being put forward, but I've never read anything on other possible issues that could have to do with reincarnation other than scar tissue....has anyone else?
Lots of Love
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Kelly
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Kateet
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Dear All,
Well, I'm just going to shoot for being physically healthy. Oh dear, then I'll probably lose my mind instead!
Well, if I'm gorgeous and I get mixed up with drugs and politicians (what a nasty, nasty combination; real overkill), I WILL
lose my mind!
RFLOL, Kat
Well, I'm just going to shoot for being physically healthy. Oh dear, then I'll probably lose my mind instead!
Well, if I'm gorgeous and I get mixed up with drugs and politicians (what a nasty, nasty combination; real overkill), I WILL
lose my mind!
RFLOL, Kat
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pal
Guest
Well now, y'all -- There'll be a new book out in April 2001 called "Return From Heaven" by someone you know and love and in it she talks about birthmarks and......
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sunday
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Oh, Peter, you're not anymore argumentive than any other know-it-all kid! I like the idea that your birthmark may signify a "broken heart" from a past life. That's sort of touching.
Kat, what in the world is a stork bite???
DJ, possibly the increase in asthma cases may well be related to our polluted environment, as well as to strong pesticides and household cleaners and such. But do you know what the medical community is now saying about dust? That TOO MUCH dusting actually increases the chance of a child getting asthma...a child needs to be exposed to dust to help PREVENT future respiratory problems. So, ladies, put away those vacumn cleaners for a while, and do something more fun! Also, they're now saying kids need to be exposed to more germs as a child than most are being exposed to today. Hey, that reduces housework even more!
Oh, and DJ, why not speculate about Gorbachev's birthmark? Personally, I believe there is an over-concern about "famous" people in this forum...and over-concern is just another fan activity...rooted in the same thing as over-interest. You don't go over normal, non-malicious speculation, and there is no problem, in my opinion. But I for one would prefer to deal with those who do go over, than to have others dictate what we can or cannot talk about in this forum.
Sunday
Kat, what in the world is a stork bite???
DJ, possibly the increase in asthma cases may well be related to our polluted environment, as well as to strong pesticides and household cleaners and such. But do you know what the medical community is now saying about dust? That TOO MUCH dusting actually increases the chance of a child getting asthma...a child needs to be exposed to dust to help PREVENT future respiratory problems. So, ladies, put away those vacumn cleaners for a while, and do something more fun! Also, they're now saying kids need to be exposed to more germs as a child than most are being exposed to today. Hey, that reduces housework even more!
Oh, and DJ, why not speculate about Gorbachev's birthmark? Personally, I believe there is an over-concern about "famous" people in this forum...and over-concern is just another fan activity...rooted in the same thing as over-interest. You don't go over normal, non-malicious speculation, and there is no problem, in my opinion. But I for one would prefer to deal with those who do go over, than to have others dictate what we can or cannot talk about in this forum.
Sunday
I was thinking yesterday and put something together I've never thought of before. When I was born, I had a problem with my pulminary valve in my heart. This is the valve though which the blood leaves the heart and goes into the lungs. I had a little bit of extra skin on the valve, so the doctors had to go in and shave a little off.
Yesterday I noticed that my birthmark on my chest is directly over the pulminary valve of my heart. I'm beginning to wonder if these two are related. The birthmark, as you know, is the size of a bullet and if I was shot there it would have destroyed my pulminary valve and I would have died.
I think that is a major coincidence...
Also, like I said, I fought in the Napoleonic Wars for Britian, I was a "Lobster". In other words, a British Regular. The size of the bullets used during those wars fits my birthmark exactly.
I wonder if that extra skin was really "scar tissue" from my being shot...
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Yesterday I noticed that my birthmark on my chest is directly over the pulminary valve of my heart. I'm beginning to wonder if these two are related. The birthmark, as you know, is the size of a bullet and if I was shot there it would have destroyed my pulminary valve and I would have died.
I think that is a major coincidence...
Also, like I said, I fought in the Napoleonic Wars for Britian, I was a "Lobster". In other words, a British Regular. The size of the bullets used during those wars fits my birthmark exactly.
I wonder if that extra skin was really "scar tissue" from my being shot...
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Brian
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Morphic fields and birthmarks.
Hello everyone!
I am excited to be a new member of the forum and look forward to exchanging ideas with my fellow members.
I recently read a paper by Rupert Sheldrake entitled: Mind, Memory, and Archetype Morphic Resonance and the Collective Unconscious. In it he discusses his hypothesis that form in organisms arises by the action of morphic fields, while DNA only provides the building blocks for the form.
To paraphrase Sheldrake: The structure of a morphic field has a cumulative memory, based on what has happened to a species in the past.
Now given the evidence for reincarnation by scar-birthmark correlation, could this correlation be due to a morphic field effect? Could we narrow it down and say that a morphic field has a specific memory (under certain circumstances) based on what has happened to an individual in a previous incarnation? (In humans anyway.) This idea could correspond to Dr. Ian Stevenson's idea of a between lives "body" which "...acts as a template for the production on a new physical body of birthmarks and deformities that correspond to the wounds on the body of the previous personality." (from "Some Questions Related to Cases of the Reincarnation Type," Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research (October 1974), p. 407)
Hello everyone!
I am excited to be a new member of the forum and look forward to exchanging ideas with my fellow members.
I recently read a paper by Rupert Sheldrake entitled: Mind, Memory, and Archetype Morphic Resonance and the Collective Unconscious. In it he discusses his hypothesis that form in organisms arises by the action of morphic fields, while DNA only provides the building blocks for the form.
To paraphrase Sheldrake: The structure of a morphic field has a cumulative memory, based on what has happened to a species in the past.
Now given the evidence for reincarnation by scar-birthmark correlation, could this correlation be due to a morphic field effect? Could we narrow it down and say that a morphic field has a specific memory (under certain circumstances) based on what has happened to an individual in a previous incarnation? (In humans anyway.) This idea could correspond to Dr. Ian Stevenson's idea of a between lives "body" which "...acts as a template for the production on a new physical body of birthmarks and deformities that correspond to the wounds on the body of the previous personality." (from "Some Questions Related to Cases of the Reincarnation Type," Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research (October 1974), p. 407)
catseye
Senior Registered
To reply ....
It would make sense to me that in some manner the soul may cause some physical malformation related to past lives. If the emotional trauma can be caught so intensely as to produce abnormal phobias and behavior patterns that we recognize as useless, then why wouldn't the soul be capable of doing the same thing to the formation of the body?
catseye
It would make sense to me that in some manner the soul may cause some physical malformation related to past lives. If the emotional trauma can be caught so intensely as to produce abnormal phobias and behavior patterns that we recognize as useless, then why wouldn't the soul be capable of doing the same thing to the formation of the body?
catseye
Friends,
If your soul didn't want to reincarnate, it wouldn't reincarnate. So, your soul chooses whether or not to reincarnate, when to reincarnate, where to reincarnate, with whom to reincarnate (soul groups, family, etc.), the basic purpose and goals for this incarnation and much, much more. From this perspective it really isn't that big of a deal for your soul to choose a body with a birthmark - in fact, it is rather a detail of your soul's choices.
From my perspective the morphic field is just one of many expressions of soul memory and soul capability. You see, the morphic field can be tuned into at any time. It is just another term for the vast wisdom of our soul.
Blessings,
Bob
If your soul didn't want to reincarnate, it wouldn't reincarnate. So, your soul chooses whether or not to reincarnate, when to reincarnate, where to reincarnate, with whom to reincarnate (soul groups, family, etc.), the basic purpose and goals for this incarnation and much, much more. From this perspective it really isn't that big of a deal for your soul to choose a body with a birthmark - in fact, it is rather a detail of your soul's choices.
From my perspective the morphic field is just one of many expressions of soul memory and soul capability. You see, the morphic field can be tuned into at any time. It is just another term for the vast wisdom of our soul.
Blessings,
Bob
Welcome Brian,
Well, I spent a half hour responding to your post and AOL kicked me off!!!!!!!!! Grrrrr.
So this is a shorter version. LOLO OK not so short.
Gregg Braden in the book "The Isaiah Effect" discusses DNA and the effects of DNA on matter that I thought you might be interested in -- Here's an excerpt -
"In the early 1990s, Moscow's Russian Academy of Sciences reported a startling relationship between DNA and the qualities of light, measured as photons. In a report detailing these early studies, Dr. Vladimir Poponin described a series of experiments suggesting that human DNA directly affects the physical world through a new and previously unknown field connecting the two.
Recognized as a leading expert in the field of quantum biology, Dr. Poponin was on loan to an American research institution when this series of experiments was carried out.
The experiments began as the patterns of light in a vacuum were measured in a controlled environment. After all of the air was removed from a specially designed chamber, the patterns and spacing of the light particles followed a random distribution, as expected.
These patterns were double-checked and double-recorded, to be used as a reference for the next portion of the experiment.
The first surprise came as physical samples of DNA were placed inside the chamber. ' In the presence of genetic material, the spacing and patterns of the light particles shifted. Rather than the scattered pattern that the researchers had seen before, the particles of light began to fall into a new pattern resembling the crests and troughs of a smooth wave.
The DNA was clearly influencing the photons, as if shaping them into the regularity of a wave pattern through an invisible force.
The next surprise came to the researchers as they removed the DNA from the chamber. Fully believing that the particles of light would return to their original state of random distribution, something very unexpected occurred.
The patterns were very different from those seen before the DNA was introduced. In his own words, Poponin described the light as behaving "surprisingly and counter-Intuitively.
After rechecking the instruments and rerunning the experiments, the researchers were faced with finding an explanation for what they had witnessed. In the absence of the DNA what was affecting the particles of light? Did the DNA leave something behind, a residual force of some kind that lingered long after the biological material had disappeared?
Poponin writes that he and the researchers were "forced to accept the working hypothesis that some new field structure is being excited...... To emphasize that the effect was related to the physical DNA molecule, the new phenomenon was named the "DNA phantom effect.”
Poponin's “new field structure" sounds surprisingly similar to the "matrix” of Max Planck’s force and the effects suggested in ancient traditions. This series of experiments is important because it clearly demonstrates, perhaps for the first time under laboratory conditions, a relationship that offers even greater credibility to the effect of prayer in our physical world.
In this instance the DNA was more or less a passive collection of molecules unattached to the brain of a conscious living being. Even in the absence of direct feeling pulsing through its double-helix antenna, there was a force and a measurable effect in its immediate world."
Again -Welcome Brian and your point is well made! Great critical thinking. I'll be back later today to discuss your point - as I seemed to be focusing only on the aspects of DNA in this one
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Love,
Deborah
Lifes experiences weave a tapestry of knowledge
Well, I spent a half hour responding to your post and AOL kicked me off!!!!!!!!! Grrrrr.
So this is a shorter version. LOLO OK not so short.
Gregg Braden in the book "The Isaiah Effect" discusses DNA and the effects of DNA on matter that I thought you might be interested in -- Here's an excerpt -
"In the early 1990s, Moscow's Russian Academy of Sciences reported a startling relationship between DNA and the qualities of light, measured as photons. In a report detailing these early studies, Dr. Vladimir Poponin described a series of experiments suggesting that human DNA directly affects the physical world through a new and previously unknown field connecting the two.
Recognized as a leading expert in the field of quantum biology, Dr. Poponin was on loan to an American research institution when this series of experiments was carried out.
The experiments began as the patterns of light in a vacuum were measured in a controlled environment. After all of the air was removed from a specially designed chamber, the patterns and spacing of the light particles followed a random distribution, as expected.
These patterns were double-checked and double-recorded, to be used as a reference for the next portion of the experiment.
The first surprise came as physical samples of DNA were placed inside the chamber. ' In the presence of genetic material, the spacing and patterns of the light particles shifted. Rather than the scattered pattern that the researchers had seen before, the particles of light began to fall into a new pattern resembling the crests and troughs of a smooth wave.
The DNA was clearly influencing the photons, as if shaping them into the regularity of a wave pattern through an invisible force.
The next surprise came to the researchers as they removed the DNA from the chamber. Fully believing that the particles of light would return to their original state of random distribution, something very unexpected occurred.
The patterns were very different from those seen before the DNA was introduced. In his own words, Poponin described the light as behaving "surprisingly and counter-Intuitively.
After rechecking the instruments and rerunning the experiments, the researchers were faced with finding an explanation for what they had witnessed. In the absence of the DNA what was affecting the particles of light? Did the DNA leave something behind, a residual force of some kind that lingered long after the biological material had disappeared?
Poponin writes that he and the researchers were "forced to accept the working hypothesis that some new field structure is being excited...... To emphasize that the effect was related to the physical DNA molecule, the new phenomenon was named the "DNA phantom effect.”
Poponin's “new field structure" sounds surprisingly similar to the "matrix” of Max Planck’s force and the effects suggested in ancient traditions. This series of experiments is important because it clearly demonstrates, perhaps for the first time under laboratory conditions, a relationship that offers even greater credibility to the effect of prayer in our physical world.
In this instance the DNA was more or less a passive collection of molecules unattached to the brain of a conscious living being. Even in the absence of direct feeling pulsing through its double-helix antenna, there was a force and a measurable effect in its immediate world."
Again -Welcome Brian and your point is well made! Great critical thinking. I'll be back later today to discuss your point - as I seemed to be focusing only on the aspects of DNA in this one
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Love,
Deborah
Lifes experiences weave a tapestry of knowledge
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Brian
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Hi Deborah!
I read your reply. I wasn't aware of Braden's book and the research of Poponin!
It reminds me of material in "The Cosmic Serpent: DNA and the Origins of Knowledge" by Jeremy Narby. In it he cites the 1986 research of Fritz-Albert Popp, which found that DNA emits photons of "a surprisingly high degree of coherance, as compared to that of technical fields (laser)." Narby did some research and found that "a coherent source of light, like a laser, gives...an impression of holographic depth." Narby p.126
Holographs? Fields? I realize the two are not the same, but it makes one wonder. A connection? Electromagnetic fields are associated with photons. (Remember particle-wave complementarity?)
I read your reply. I wasn't aware of Braden's book and the research of Poponin!
It reminds me of material in "The Cosmic Serpent: DNA and the Origins of Knowledge" by Jeremy Narby. In it he cites the 1986 research of Fritz-Albert Popp, which found that DNA emits photons of "a surprisingly high degree of coherance, as compared to that of technical fields (laser)." Narby did some research and found that "a coherent source of light, like a laser, gives...an impression of holographic depth." Narby p.126
Holographs? Fields? I realize the two are not the same, but it makes one wonder. A connection? Electromagnetic fields are associated with photons. (Remember particle-wave complementarity?)
HI Brian,
It is an interesting thought process.
If the speed of light is the way by which we measure - What if the speed of light is not the true measure of the age of the universe and our perceptions and measurements are not accurate? Maybe the LIGHT we measure is not the ultimate measurement. Maybe the mystery of the universe's creation is grounded in something else, something more complex, more intricate, even infinite.
Perhaps the answers are to be found in a form of LIGHT that we have not yet measured. A light that is similar to physical light but interacts with matter in a completely different manner.
I believe that Light Consciousness plays a big role. If our thoughts deduce matter, then it exists. If matter is not observed, then does it exist? Science now questions this very premise.
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Love,
Deborah
Lifes experiences weave a tapestry of knowledge
It is an interesting thought process.
If the speed of light is the way by which we measure - What if the speed of light is not the true measure of the age of the universe and our perceptions and measurements are not accurate? Maybe the LIGHT we measure is not the ultimate measurement. Maybe the mystery of the universe's creation is grounded in something else, something more complex, more intricate, even infinite.
Perhaps the answers are to be found in a form of LIGHT that we have not yet measured. A light that is similar to physical light but interacts with matter in a completely different manner.
I believe that Light Consciousness plays a big role. If our thoughts deduce matter, then it exists. If matter is not observed, then does it exist? Science now questions this very premise.
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Love,
Deborah
Lifes experiences weave a tapestry of knowledge
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Brian
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Hi Deborah!
Interesting point about the speed of light. It has been theorized that some of the physical constants of the universe actually may vary in time. I can't recall all the details- I would have to research that. Dr. Sheldrake pointed out that the big bang universe is an evolutionary one. So if the laws of nature existed before the big bang, then they are metaphysical (His point).
However, there are some good arguments against the big bang theory.
A recent treatment of a big bang alternative is the 1995 book by Paul A. Laviolette entitled "Beyond The Big Bang." Laviolette offers evidence that "ancient myths and esoteric lore...encode a theory of continuous creation" and that "the ancient science of continuous creation...fits astronomical data better than the big bang theory" Laviolette's evidence is good, but I found his treatment of quasars a little incomplete.
As to your last point, someone once said (as best I can remember) that matter is the playground of consciousness.
Maybe the universe is a holograph, a projection of myriads of sentient beings. Or perhaps the universe is conscious. Or both. Hmmm.
Interesting point about the speed of light. It has been theorized that some of the physical constants of the universe actually may vary in time. I can't recall all the details- I would have to research that. Dr. Sheldrake pointed out that the big bang universe is an evolutionary one. So if the laws of nature existed before the big bang, then they are metaphysical (His point).
However, there are some good arguments against the big bang theory.
A recent treatment of a big bang alternative is the 1995 book by Paul A. Laviolette entitled "Beyond The Big Bang." Laviolette offers evidence that "ancient myths and esoteric lore...encode a theory of continuous creation" and that "the ancient science of continuous creation...fits astronomical data better than the big bang theory" Laviolette's evidence is good, but I found his treatment of quasars a little incomplete.
As to your last point, someone once said (as best I can remember) that matter is the playground of consciousness.
Maybe the universe is a holograph, a projection of myriads of sentient beings. Or perhaps the universe is conscious. Or both. Hmmm.
phoenix1955
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Sunday,
I'm not sure if Kat's stork bites are the same as this, but my stepgrandson has a dark pink/at times red mark on the back of his neck, irregularly shaped, which his biological grandmother also has and she says it runs in her family. He's had it since birth.
I'm not sure if Kat's stork bites are the same as this, but my stepgrandson has a dark pink/at times red mark on the back of his neck, irregularly shaped, which his biological grandmother also has and she says it runs in her family. He's had it since birth.
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Griffin
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DJ!!!!
What an amazing idea you presented concerning Gorbachev's birthmark!!!
It literally sent shivers down my spine, as i happen to be of the same nationality as he, and during his reign (it was quite a good one, i might say) we had endless conversations at home concerning that huge birthmark of his...
Now, as i recall it clearly, it struck me - YES!!! that is what this birthmark reminded me ALL THE TIME - a really, really bad wound... Oh my God.
That was a good one, DJ!
I also have a round half-inch in diameter birthmark on my left temple. I think that could be from a bullet. The other strange thing is that as i grew older, another birthmark on my other temple started appearing. It is small now, but grows bigger with years. And it is right in the place where the straight flying bullet would fly out of my scull... Although i have no recollection of anything like that.
What an amazing idea you presented concerning Gorbachev's birthmark!!!
It literally sent shivers down my spine, as i happen to be of the same nationality as he, and during his reign (it was quite a good one, i might say) we had endless conversations at home concerning that huge birthmark of his...
Now, as i recall it clearly, it struck me - YES!!! that is what this birthmark reminded me ALL THE TIME - a really, really bad wound... Oh my God.
That was a good one, DJ!
I also have a round half-inch in diameter birthmark on my left temple. I think that could be from a bullet. The other strange thing is that as i grew older, another birthmark on my other temple started appearing. It is small now, but grows bigger with years. And it is right in the place where the straight flying bullet would fly out of my scull... Although i have no recollection of anything like that.
I find this thread really fascinating. I have a couple of birthmarks, but one is particularly interesting. Once when I was watching a show on forensics they showed what a would would look like if someone was stabbed with a four-sided bayonet. It looks remarkably like one of my scars. I also kept note of this. Then, recently, when my 4 yr old son started to tan a little, I noticed that he has the exact same birthmark on his chest. I haven't had time to ask him about it, but I intend to.
ccouey4527
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i can absolutely swear that i do not have a birthmark any where on my body. not on my head or any where. i do however have to physical scars i obtained in this life one on my left eye from being a young child and walking into the corner of a coffe table and 2 on my right outer thigh from when i was in school and fell off one of those dividing walls. but other than that i have none. my son though has a birthmark in the middle of his forehead. it looks like a rash but it not, he was born with it like that, its faded a little, but its there.
Dear all,
For your information, NOT ALL dots or spots are birthmarks. Real birthmarks are special, either in shape or color. There are several that I know of, red blood color, green color and butterfly shape.
Birthmark is identifier. The one who bears it will always bears it no matter how many lifes. It will always be the same color, shape, size and location. It is the only physical sign that you can use to identify someone after they go through rebirth.
And I am telling you this from my own experience.
For your information, NOT ALL dots or spots are birthmarks. Real birthmarks are special, either in shape or color. There are several that I know of, red blood color, green color and butterfly shape.
Birthmark is identifier. The one who bears it will always bears it no matter how many lifes. It will always be the same color, shape, size and location. It is the only physical sign that you can use to identify someone after they go through rebirth.
And I am telling you this from my own experience.
Hi Hero_tsai
I personally agree that not all moles and marks can be considered birthmarks…but I do still think these marks and moles can hold some relative connection to past lives.
As to what would be termed as a proper birthmark…and what you called an identifier. I don’t personally think this type of birthmark always has to be carried over, I think in some people, it’s true, as they may hold this as “their” identifier, but I wouldn’t say that all permanent birthmarks are there from lifetime to lifetime, never to go.
I personally agree that not all moles and marks can be considered birthmarks…but I do still think these marks and moles can hold some relative connection to past lives.
As to what would be termed as a proper birthmark…and what you called an identifier. I don’t personally think this type of birthmark always has to be carried over, I think in some people, it’s true, as they may hold this as “their” identifier, but I wouldn’t say that all permanent birthmarks are there from lifetime to lifetime, never to go.
ssake
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For many years I've had an area in my abdomen, just below the rib-cage on the right, that I'd get a particular sensation in whenever I felt afraid of being betrayed in a relationship. Really more like a phobia of some kind, as I look back on it, than anything else. At some point I realized there is a very small white scar there. So I think I was injured there, and I am guessing there was the strong thought and feeling of betrayal at the time and I died from it.
These days I have a day job cutting open boxes with an X-acto knife. A couple weeks ago I slipped with it and caught myself in the stomach, just leaving a very tiny mark. Guess where the tip landed? About a millimeter or two away from that white scar. Coincidence? Karma is very strange, I think we have no idea the minute ways it affects us in everyday life, without our being aware of it.
Steve S.
These days I have a day job cutting open boxes with an X-acto knife. A couple weeks ago I slipped with it and caught myself in the stomach, just leaving a very tiny mark. Guess where the tip landed? About a millimeter or two away from that white scar. Coincidence? Karma is very strange, I think we have no idea the minute ways it affects us in everyday life, without our being aware of it.
Steve S.