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Dear Gypsy,

I've never had an incident like yours. I have come across them in reading. On two occasions, I found similar stories in fictional books and I've often wondered if the writer actually had an experience such as mine or yours. At times it just seemed that the way the story was told gave me a feeling their was genuine emotional experience behind it.

Did you ever come to any determinations about what happened? I've thought of this or that but I've never been sure. The one thing I'd like most is for there to actually be SOMEBODY in charge of the universe(s) whom I could ask about this stuff.

Or perhaps, there IS and thats the point. Someone is just having fun with us poor mortals, physically speaking that is of course. It would be SO neat to one day find out there was a G-d after all and what do you find out? That was the fellow who sold you the earrings and necklace. Gee, if only I had KNOWN!!

I'm just kidding. I really take it more serious than that. I did tease my husband, you know, what if Jake had really been you know who spending a few months gardening and tripping over cats and talking to him over the fence. Should have seen his face!

You never know. You might come across that shop again. If you do, ASK hard questions.
There is a small house behind where I live now in Virginia. Another older couple, black this time, with two dogs instead of two cats. They also have a garden. They work back in their garden and keep the yard nicely tended. She hangs laundry out there too which I don't recall Margaret doing. Sometimes, I just have to W O N D E R......

Take the Best of Care, Kat
 
Well, Kat and Gypsy have really blown my mind away, so many questions, so many possibilities and in Kat's case witnesses and collaborative evidence as well. Kat, you do have to write that book everyone keeps suggesting - I'm still intrigued by the future life you saw that your son has in possession to check out some thirty years in our future ....simply amazing.

Gypsy...Do you still have those earrings and necklace you purchased? If you do you should try dragging them out and concentrating on their energy or vibrations, see if they lead you anywhere...very interesting.


Sunday...always the finder of music and movie titles as always.

Galadriel...I think Delenn is a beautiful name, I told my partner who absolutely loves the show and especially Delenn' character and he was like "Nice Choice". It was him in fact that got me into all the Star Trek and Sci-Fi spin offs, now I'm just as bad as him....I think one of the most interesting concepts in the latest spin off Star Trek Voyager if their holographic doctor...despite his obvious humerous character, I think it's really interesting to see how he develops his personality and "sub routines" - he excells his initiasl programming and becomes an individual with thoughts and interests, which continually grow with each passing day, he has gone beyond what the designers thought possible when releasing his prototype for Medical work and strict programming and limited memory banks, which he has added to and enhanced - it very much brings to mind the idea of the holographic universe and our souls ability to change, adapt and progress past our pre-determined limits/expectations.

Lots of Love

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Kelly
 
Sheesh!
This is the second time I've tried to resond to Kateet and Kelly. I keep getting bumped off into cyberspace.
O.K. Here I go again.
Kateet. Tx. for responding. As I think happened with you, there was nothing unusual at all with my dealings with the "proprietor" of the "antique" store. It was just the interim times when he/the shop should have been there and they weren't. Similar to what you felt when your neighbors disappeared overnight. You have your husband and children as witnesses to what was and then what wasn't.
I have diddley-squat.
I know you were joking about the "G-d" factor, but even if you weren't, I think not.
What I think I did -- both times -- was exactly what your husband did. I just "shrugged". (Too busy with career, social life, family crisis, whatever.) But, as is evidenced by my remembering for so long, when things got quiet,I always remembered. And questioned. And, once again I shrugged.
Since then, and prior, actually, there have been other "incidents". And when I thought about it yesterday, the only common denomenator is jewelry. (What-the-heck-is-THAT-all-about??) I'm not ready to talk about this right now, but when I was VERY young I received a piece of jewelry that had a life of its own. The darn thing would move about in my jewelry box, disappear for days on end, and whenever I wore it unusual things would happen. End of story.
TO KELLY:
Yes, I still have the necklace and one of the earrings. I searched for them the other night when I was resonding to Kateet's post. The odd thing about them is that they both look like they've been buried for years. It could be because I left them in my tiny bathroom with no heat all last winter. (I live in a tiny old care-taker's cottage with no heat other than the woodstove.)
Could it be that they reverted back to the age they should have been when I bought them? Hm-m-m-m. I think not. All sorts of stuff could have gotten to them to make them look this way.
That old shop, though. THAT, I can't explain away.
Gotta go.
White Light.
---Gyspy.
 
Dear Gypsy,
Personally, I think your experience tops mine easily. You actually have things in your possession which I do not. My husband remembers but I would so cherish some kind of object! That, to me, would be personal, physical proof. I wouldn't care if nobody believed me.

Well, I DO believe you, wholeheartedly! I'm just jealous, LOL! I don't get out enough anymore to have anything happen to me unless it were to be an experience like yours which doesn't seem to be my luck. Everytime I think about it, I just keep marveling and marveling at it.

I too hope you'll be able to pick up something from the jewelry, maybe dream something about them or meditate and have a vision or a strong sense about it all. Around my house, if jewelry disappears, it is well and truly gone for good.

I have only one other major change, aside from the burnt out house that disappeared and replaced by an giant oak tree and the disappearing neighbors. Still, it was along the same lines. I used to walk down a side street once a WEEK which ended at Main Street. This would have been in 1980.

Along that street, right behind a fairly large commercial building on the corner of Main Street and this side street, there had been what looked like an abandoned warren of buildings most similar to the kind used for light industry (light manufacturing). They were single story, in poor shape, dirty and rundown, appearing long abandoned. There were just a few, featureless 'side doors' and a few narrow office type windows here and there.

One week, I came down this side street to be greeted not by the abandoned warren but by half a dozen commercial shops. In the middle was a driveway that apparently led to parking behind a two buildings. Each shop had one or two large shop windows and the usual shop doors. There was a maternity shop, a 'dollar' store, a sewing shop.

I find it very hard to believe this warren of small buildings had been turned into two large buildings, doors and window installed and half a dozen fully stocked shops put in place all in the space of a single week.

Even stranger is that I did not go into any of them and just ASK how long they had been there. Maybe, I really didn't want to know!

Thats it for me and quite enough too. I don't really see a point to that sort of thing happening which is what bothered me most about it. Why? What, if anything, SHOULD it mean to me? How does it matter. I do not mean with your experience, Gypsy, I mean with my own. No wonder so many other people might just shrug even if they DO notice. What can I take from that experience and apply to my life? I can put my past life memories to FAR better use. The best I can do with my own experiences with regard to these things is to realize the world is a very, very strange place.

Best to All, Kat
 
Hi Kat...
Your reply made me smile.
From this day forward you shall be the Queen of all buildings that morph and aport at will. I shall be the Court Jester in charge of juggling animated ornaments of mysterious origin.
And as my wise grandmother "Baba" used to say with a shrug, "Let the bunny sit."
White Light. -- Gypsy

P.S. I did try psychometry on the necklace but came up with nothing. I was never any good at it anyway. Near the bottom of my class at the Arthur Ford Institute, in fact.
 
Hiya!!!

You know, there is a LOT of scientific evidence backing up such experiences as Gypsy's and Kat's - as well as many - and I do mean many -- ancient texts that speak not only of the possibilites, but contain recorded similar experiences over 2,500 years old! The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi Library just to name a few.

I am reading Gregg Braden's new book - THE ISAIAH EFFECT - extraordinary! Here is an excerpt that seems to fit in this discussion well. It has to do with CONSCIOUSNESS - vibration and possibilites!

"....Dr. Jenny developed a new science to explore the relationship between vibration and form.........

".....The significance of these tests is that Dr. Hans Jenny proved, beyond any doubt, that vibration causes predictable pattern in the substance that it is projected into. THOUGHT, FEELING, and EMOTION are VIBRATION! Just like the vibrations of thought, feeling, and emotion create a disturbance in the "stuff" that they are projected into. Rather than water, sulfur, and graphite, we project our vibrations into the refined substance consciousness. Each has an effect.

In chapter 4 we discussed the science that suggests that our future may already exist as one of many "possibilities," dormant in the soup of creation. As we make new choices in our lives each day, we awaken new possibilities, and fine-tune the eventual outcome.

This view implies that each time we ask for something in prayer, a possibility exists where our prayer is already answered. If this view of our world is correct, then in the garage menagerie of my childhood, for example, each shattered beak, torn limb, and broken bone was one possible outcome for that moment. In the same moment, another outcome existed where each animal in my care was already healed. Each outcome already existed. Each possibility was real.

The key to choosing one outcome from among many possible outcomes is our ability to feel as if our choice has already come to pass. From our previous definition of prayer as "feeling," then, stated another way, we are invited to find the quality of thought and emotion that produces such a feeling-living as if our prayer had already been answered. For how may we benefit from the effect of our thought and emotion, if each pattern is moving in a random direction? If, on the other hand, the patterns of our prayer are focused in UNION, how can the "stuff" " of creation fail to respond to our prayer?

When thought, feeling, and emotion are not aligned, each may be considered as out of phase with the others. While there may be brief areas of overlap, much of the pattern is unfocused, working in different directions, independent of the rest of the pattern. The result is a scattering of energy."

Love,
Deborah

PS - OK I finally made it back here Sunday -and the best I could do was cut and paste! Better than nothing though - heh?
 
Dear Gypsy,

You're post in response made my day too. I don't about this Queen thing (see Kat blush with enormous embarassment) but I did grin.

To Gypsy and Kelly,

I can't help wishing I'd done more. I can't understand why I didn't either. Then again, I couldn't know that what I saw before 'the changes' were not 'genuine artifacts.

And then adding Deborah,

If these incidents had been dreams/visions, I would have understood their meaning in a symbolic context. The disappearing couple I think, even if I had done the 'creating' on my own was surely meant for my husband's benefit. Jake and Margaret lived very much as my husband's parents did and their welcome, their interaction with him had made him feel very much at home in the neighborhood. I interacted very little with them, almost not all compared to him.

I think they disappeared because he didn't need them anymore. I find a tremendous sense of RIGHTNESS that they were FOR HIM and deeply connected to him somehow, even closer than his parents whom we live near now.

Deb,

I'll have to get that book. I made a note of it and hope I won't lose that. It sounds very interesting. Even though passages you quoted weren't long, I thought about something that, seen in that light, suddenly made sense to me and seemed logically. I had thoughts along a similar line about a couple of events myself although for far more simplied reasons.

I thought of it as having made choices that would alter what I already had reason to think were future possibilities and even with solid experience behind me, there is more to come and I can't find it in myself to 'rest on my laurels'. By this, I mean, I have reasons to believe certain events are likely to occur based on the current direction or course I am on now which includes a devastating event I can't allow to happen. I'm just not sure I can prevent it. I certainly have no intention of assuming that because I have before that I will again. I even have at least some reason to believe I failed last time at least once.

You see, it is very strange. I've spent a lot of years trying to rationalize, analyze, make real sense out of the whole thing. The one piece of really good news was finding out I wasn't a kook. I already knew I was far from fatalistic. I'm an incurable optimistic who finds much to treasure and cherish in life, in the simplist pleasures.

Deb, have you every heard of "Loopers"?

Love to You All, Kat
 
Hi Deborah,

I have indeed noted that you did return. But now you must return again, since you baited me with the injured animal stuff! What are you saying, if one thinks the animal has or will heal that will be the reality?
 
WOW!
The subject TIME puzzles people, doesn't it? This exciting forum is actually becoming a book. Old Chronos would be proud. Congratulations for posting such intriguing cases and the way they are being moderated!
 
Dear All,

Well...Pestilpen, it seems that you come along at exactly the right topic to get you fired doesn't it...LOL

Kateet...that was an interesting view that you saw on your disappearing neighbours and your husband...what a beautiful thought that they were simply there to welcome and warm him to his new home...even better if you were responsible for it. I know what you're saying about asking questions, but as you said how are you meant to be predict the changes before they happen? I think something like this takes a while to sink in and a lot of thought and questioning, unfortunately sometimes the realisation and possible implications come about too late because we are not "programmed" to question everything in this way, it sometimes takes a discussion like this to really think it all over...much like a remembered dream that disappears from your memory if you don't pay immediate attention to it or share it with others.

Deborah...thanks for that excerpt, like Kateet, I have noted it down on my book list for my next spending spree. What's really funny about it is I haven't been on the forum over the last couple of days, and I've just come on after watching an episode of Star Trek on the TV, (I think DJ mentioned it earlier) - it's called 'The Traveller', and it is very similar to the excerpt you pasted up. To summarise - in the episode the Enterprise and the whole of it's crew are transported to a dimension/position millions of light years from their space - the only way back is to all concentrate their thoughts and emotions on getting home (along witht he help of a "traveller" who explains the powerful nature of thought and where it can transport you in time, reality and space....very interesting.

Lots of Love


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Kelly


[This message has been edited by Kelly (edited 10-14-2000).]
 
Hi Sunday,

Well, Gregg Branden saved a lot of animals as a child and still attends to the needs of animals. His heart is huge!

One thing I have learned -- is if you want someone's attention you hit 'em with their interests! LOLOLOL

Kat - I cannot say I have heard of "loopers" -- definition please????

Braden focuses on 'direction' - 'choices' and 'change' by way of consciousness/prayer. You might find his book very helpful. I found it a delight, quite informative, and in places -- even profound.

Love,
Deborah
 
A 'looper' is a very loose translation of an ancient Asian phenomenon in which people have experienced a death but were revived never sooner than late childhood (usually teens) or later than early adulthood and then again sometime later in the natural lifespan. It is after the 'second' death that matters. A 'looper' doesn't go on to a new incarnation. Instead s/he 'loops' back to the original 'death' experience.

Apparently, the person continually loops back to the first 'death' after dying at the end of the lifespan whenever that might be. If you chose to end your life right after you looped back, you'd still loop back. If you lived to be eighty before dying, you still looped back. Insanity sounds like the most popular choice for this experience.

In class, we discussed everything we could think of as a 'reason'. Naturally, what you think of will be bound up with your belief system. We didn't think of anything the Asians hadn't already thought of and eventually discarded, including that you could not simply choose not to loop which is likely to be among the first things you'd decide. It would be best to decide this never happens at all and wash our hands of it which is probably why the Asians felt people like this were being punished.

I don't see a lot of point to it, including as a punishment. If that were the case, it could be just as well done in the next incarnation. In fact, very nearly ALL the possible reasons (if not ALL) are just as well addressed in the next life. Whats the rush?

On the one hand, it seems pointless but so do a whole lot of other things. I toss it out. Maybe others have heard about 'looping' too. There are a few books out. My favorite is 'Replay'. Ever get a chance to order it, do so. It is an especially modern viewpoint on looping, dealing with the issue in depth. The only difference is that he chose to portray looping as an event not tied with a early 'death experience' and each time his characters returned to their lifespan, they were alittle older. At least, he gave them a light at the end of the tunnel. I will not spoil the ending which I DID like a lot.

Beddy Bye Time, Take Care All, Kat
 
WAY COOL,

I briefly gave up bedtime in order to visit a website really quick because of Gypsy's so timely post. Please read it! Isn't that just perfect?

Well, I posted this info there but thought I'd add here too:

A movie on Wednesday night, CBS, 9pm. Check you LOCAL LISTING. A time travel movie, and a brand new one at that!!!!

'For All Time'

A man is unhappy with his modern lifestyle and wishes for a simpler life and quick as you can say "Deborah!" (wink~wink), he is driving down the road and wanders right into 1800 or so. A vastly simpler time. Falls in love. Discovers he can travel back and forth between the two times and I sure hope we get to find out how he does that! I'd sure like to do that myself.

Gypsy also notes another movie to which I am most certainly eternally grateful. Just the sort of thing I like to watch.

Now it IS bedtime. Nite ALL, Kat
 
Kat,

Regarding the "loopers":

I think I know what you mean, but I want to make certain.
Am I inferring properly?: that a person who is revived after a death (usually in childhood to early adulthood) goes on to live the rest of his/her lifetime, and then, after the final death of the life, effectively speaking, "re-enters" the life at the revival point? That the person then *re-lives* the portion of the life from the revival point onward?
This brings up a lot of questions, to be sure! If this is true, in at least some cases, *why* does it occur? Could it possibly mean that the first revival should not have happened, that the person was meant to die the first death? Or, could it be a matter of simple "confusion," wherein from the viewpoint of another dimension, the spirit has difficulty discerning from what point he/she exited the body and mistakenly returns to the first point of exit? Or could it be a combination of both? Or both and more?
Boy, this forum really makes a person think!

I am intrigued by this because, as we all know, in this technological age, people are often "brought back," or are "revived," after having been "dead" for a longer, more extended period of time. Some people, including psychics, argue that all energies possible must be spent to keep a person alive, and that it is not right, for example, to turn off any machines, etc. However, I still have to wonder...in the case of doctors working on a patient for minutes extending into minutes extending into minutes, what does it mean? What I am wondering here, in some cases, was the spirit trying its darndest to leave, to get out of there, only to be forced back unmercifully by the doctors and the doctors' technology? Was the spirit ultimately not able to leave because the doctors' efforts were causing the silver cord to still remain attached?
Could this be the case in not all situations, but some nonetheless?

Peace and light,
DJ
 
Dear DJ,

Yes, you understood it perfectly. Those are the kinds of things I wondered about too. One of the things I thought might come closest to an 'explanation' is that perhaps the soul does NOT want to exit the life. I have noted that there are NOW many instances in which the soul does return.

Most people DO want to live, at almost any cost. I was just reading at the CHF forum I go to, a post from a 70 year old man who has found out he passed the cut-off date for a heart transplant. Although he says he has many other health problems, he is still very sad that he can't have a transplant. I realize he is only one person but I do know that fear of death and of after life is very common and most people, while they do not want to be ill, still want to live as long as they possibly can.

So, I thought about how you just don't hear modern stories about 'loopers' and how so many more people can be revived and are not subject to death as they surely would have been not so long ago.

In addition, a long time ago, nobody would have even considered trying to revive someone who was a mature adult or elderly if they died. It was accepted as part of the natural process. Most of the time, it was for everyone but I've read many, many old stories in which a young person's death was not so easily accepted, particularly once they had passed the more vulnerable ages of childhood. They tried everything and they tried harder. Sometimes, these young people were revived and went on with their lives.

Some American Indians believed that if you were sick and went into a coma, this was a form of death, that your spirit walked and if it were lost and couldn't find it's way back, your body died. If you survived and returned, it was literally as if you had returned from the dead. To them, you HAD. There was no difference between walking the spirit world while your body technically lived and actual death.

Anyway, there would have been young people who survived a brush with actual death by their lights, especially young warriors and young mothers (the most common 'looper' age group, late teens).

What I've wondered is, since MOST people do want to live as long as they can, if when they die this second time around and don't want to but try to return anyway, they remember having returned that earlier time and so that is why they return then. Maybe. I think its as good a possibility as any.

Once they have, maybe they become attached to it somehow and just keep doing it. They may not be concious of the attachment. Who can say there? It seems, eventually, they must come to some sort of determination even right for the wrong reason such as believing if they do a certain act will free them to go on. It wasn't that act that freed them but the certainty of moving on spiritually that really freed them.

Its an interesting idea. I read just one publication, a monk's journal in which he claimed to have looped numerous time (something like nine or eleven, I don't recall). The most important aspect of the journal hinged on the massacre of the monks at this temple. He tried in three life spans to prevent it. He knew the monks were planning to abandon the monastery in a couple of weeks due to all the trouble in the region and feared for their lives so he tried to convince them to leave sooner but they refused to leave before the harvest when they could take their foods with them which they knew they would need.

On the fourth time around, he hit upon an idea. He would dress as a peasant and go out and find the soldiers who would massacre the monks and divert them away. After writing what he would do, he buried his journal near the monastery's well. Turns out he was right but for the wrong reason. He did divert them but the monks were still massacred.

However, the soldiers arrived in the very early morning hours and attacked the monks inside the monastery, most still asleep. According to the records, he was caught by sentries and although he had his info ready to give, he was tortured into the truth, revealing that they awaited the harvest before leaving. The troops simply chose to wait and attack early in the morning before the monks departed so that they could have the foodstuffs already harvested.

In addition, in his journal, he had described the massacre always as the troops arriving in midday, just after the meal when the monks were out working in the fields. The troops attacked from their horses and some were killed including the second in command. This man was NOT killed in the early am massacre and went on to become a governor of his province.

Maybe a true story or maybe not. Could be this was one very bright monk who came up with an interesting way to pass on his wisdom to others.

Note that the journal was buried after the last entry with regard to his decision to divert the troops away from the monastery. Nothing more was added. The published book goes into detail with names as to how the journal was discovered, where it had been, and so on. It also explains how the journal backs up history of that region, the fact that the monastery did exist (in ruins by then but there were pics of the ruins and the old well) as well as the tracing of the events that did happen as far as records and such are concerned and exist. We would still have to take this writer's word for it all but then I only present it for your elucidation. I found it thought provoking.

Yours, Kat
 
Kat,

Wow! That's fascinating!

Something just occurred to me---if people do, indeed, loop sometimes, it is possible that when we see objects or the environment "change," we are seeing a loop back. Everything else is the same, but for the one thing the looper altered.

Something else just occurred to me---is it possible to loop not just in a major way, as the monk did, but in more minor ways? Could this be why some (not all) deja vus are experienced? Would it be possible, for example, to "leave" during sleep and then "loop" back to some point? What made me think of this is the fact that for a certain stretch of time in high school I lived everyday feeling like I was going thru most things for the second time. Not just watching tv shows, but tying my shoes, putting on my clothes, etc etc. I'd gotten deja vu before because I'd often dreamed things before they happened, but this straight stretch of time was different. I could not remember any dreams I'd had about this time.

Peace 'n' light,
DJ
 
Dear DJ,

Thats good thinking. I couldn't put the whole journal into this site but I do know he wrote about how, when he first began looping, he didn't realize that was happening. He thought he must be imagining a future life rather than remembering one. He was hit often by everything from big events to little incidents that he clearly remembered and he kept ignoring his knowledge of their outcome so that he was very surprised, confused, and even frightened when what was in his mind became a reality. I can see how that would happen, a very strong sense of deja vu.

It was the second time he returned, the third span in the same life that he realized this was simply not normal. Then he went through a very difficult time, deciding upon a 'reason' if only to maintain his sanity. I found another book in my somewhat massive library called 'Lost Future' by Lisa Tuttle, 1992. It is a very involved treatment of the idea of being thrust into alternate realities. But, looping isn't about alternate realitites although it could be.

In looping, you remain on the same timeline but just keep retreating back to this earlier period in your life when you survived death. The book, Replay, is much the same and more straight forward. It isn't
'weird'. It is very believably written. It poses the question, "What if this really happened to somebody? How would a real person in this modern culture respond/react?"

Personally, I think people would go a lot more 'nuts' than the guy in the book does but he does have the psycological aspect of not really accepting the situation while also taking advantage of the opportunity it presents. I have done a lot of reading and come up with what I think are logical responses. I think people have to work hard to maintain sanity in the world and that is part of why our essential belief systems are so important to us.

The one friend I confided in told me that she had taken an internship between her junior and senior years in college, this being for journalism. She said, from the first day, she had this sense of the familiar. She felt as though she were just going through the motions. I'd say it was much as you say you felt during that time in school; been here, done this. Much of the time it was like things going on around her were a constant trigger, a constant reminder of this feeling. She really didn't know how to go about this job when she started but as soon as someone went over something once, it was not as if she were learning it but as if she were simply being reminded of something she already knew.

DJ, do you think someone could loop but bury the realization and all the memories so deeply that they don't have any actual recall unless something big triggers a buried memory? I've wondered about that myself. I'd think, when a memory is triggered, they wouldn't know where it came from and believe it was 'psychic' somehow, or clairvoyant when it wasn't.

Half the time, I don't know where I am going with these ideas. It isn't as if I accept and believe it as much as if I just take the idea out and examine it for a time then put it away again. I don't relate it to myself or to anyone in particular. I just wonder.

Suppose you could loop FORWARD? Hmmmmm, Kat
 
Kat and all,

Hmm...

regarding whether or not we could loop forward:
perhaps this would be easier (?)

I say this because a book I read concerning Einstein and time, stated that it actually would be easier to go forward than backward. Apparently, in order to go backward, more speed of some sort would have to be built up (of course, that's one method, I guess).

Kat, your friend's experience sounds very similar to mine! In addition, I was exercising and thinking the other night (does anyone else find exercise to be meditative?), and I was sillyingly wondering why, if I had indeed done so, "looped" back to that time of my life. Then I realized....I used to often say my regret was that "I had not lost the weight sooner" (I was 25 lbs. overweight in high school, for a time). I regretted not losing it sooner because after I had lost it, I suddenly became more sociable, more outgoing; felt more confident, was more popular because of it all, etc etc. But there was left only 3 months in high school, senior year. I have always thought that I would have had more friends if I had lost the weight sooner and had been more confident in myself.
The deja-vu period was in my senior year. However I don't think the deja-vu even generally started, well, about the time I began to exercise regularly...or...maybe a touch sooner. Maybe it started in summer. I don't remember exactly. The point is, I was experiencing this span of time during my losing weight time.
I'd wondered how I'd done it. I'd wondered how I just exercised, how I followed a strict diet, a consistent regimen, without even thinking about it!!! Everyone wondered, and some were scared, by the fact that I had lost 25 lbs in 3 months.
Maybe I looped back, and if I hadn't....maybe I wouldn't have even gained confidence in the very end of my senior year.

Peace'n'light,
DJ
 
DJ,

Well, there you go! If you had been through that period WITH the weight once and sincerely desired to change it, perhaps you did just that, went back and changed.

I think it was the self-confidence that mattered the most as to what you gained by your loss (one of the few losses we don't have to say we are sorry about, LOL). I think that I mean, your motivation probably went beyond a desire to lose weight and be popular. And the boost in confidence may have had a lot more to do with the improvement in your social life than how you looked. There are slender, very attractive women who don't have a decent social life because they have no confidence or self esteem.

Also, it could be that gaining that confidence at the TIME that you did was equally important. Perhaps it wouldn't have been possible later on, only then. .

On the one hand, we might think we could do this anytime but as you pointed out, it was so easy WHEN you did it and you wondered why you hadn't done it sooner. Maybe to accomplish it takes a certain frame of mind, a certain time when you have the motivation you need to suceed. And you could well be right that you realized it LATER, after the time had passed.

Question is, how much later? How long did the deja vu last? I was thinking, in the original time, there came a point when the self confidence you DID NOT have was vital to a choice in your life, an important one and something inside you knew the frame of mind you needed, the time you needed to accomplish this had passed. If it was a truly important life decision for you, something that could forever affect the direction your life would take, then your need was 'pure'. So, you looped back and did it.

So, was there an important life decision that you faced late in your senior year or sometime not long afterwards? And do you think the self-confidence you received in having suceeded appeared to prepare you for the life you have now?

My Best to You, Kat
 
Kat,

The deja vu lasted less than a year, but, I'd say a "while."

I think it was imperative I lost the weight when I did. I've always considered it eerie, in a way, that I never even *thought* about losing. I'd sit on my stationary bike and turn the wheels, but never even had a conscious thought or goal. I had no goal.

Yes, after I lost the weight, my self-confidence had more to do with my popularity than anything else. I'd always had a few good, close friends, and it was a very small high school; everyone knew everyone anyway. I just simply became more "open," more talkative, more outgoing.

If I had not lost the weight when I did, I wonder if or when I would've lost it. I don't know. I don't want to know. All I know is, at the end of my senior year, I had my abs the firmest they'd ever get...I entered college in the fall, and of course, I gained a few pounds. Just a few; I cut back on my regimen. Throughout college I never got those abs back (I haven't yet). Of course, it was always a struggle for me, as I am so tiny but that doesn't mean I have a Thumbelina appetite.

Isn't it odd/funny...that a general question of the masses is, "If you could do it over again, what would you do differently?" And apparently it might be possible to go back and change things? I still think that in general, things are done for a reason. They are meant to be....things which may seem tragic at the time but end up serving a purpose....like Captain Picard's wishing he could erase hitting a superior when he was a youth, only to go back and erase it, and have his changed future turn out to be totally opposite and not as satisfying and challenging as the one he'd already had.

Peace and light to you, dear Kat,

DJ
 
Hi Kat, Gpysy, and All,
To say that this topic is interesting is an understatement. It is mind-blowing and qualifies as High Strangeness!
If anyone is familar with The Seth Material (and related books), there is a wealth of information about probable realities and probable futures. We live in a multidimensional universe.
Another key idea is that all lives are going on at the same time; a most difficult concept to grasp using our type of logic!
I used to do automatic writing. I learned and EXPERIENCED aspects of a life as a monk in the eleventh century A.D. I almost felt as if I was inhabiting this man's body. He was physically a large man who wore loose, rough clothing. He suffered a traumatic event when his nephew, Philo, was taken by Roman soldiers. I felt that all of this was [is] taking place in the present. Some have termed it an Expanded Present.
Both of your experiences, Kat and Gypsy, challenge our familar notions of time and space. Have either of you done research in the historical aspects of these cases? In particular, Kat, were to able to get any information as to the history your neighbor's property? Generally speaking, this would be available in the county courthouse. Gypsy, if you could locate an old map or historical records of the specific area of Manhatten it might indicate some correspondences.
It might be that the previous structures were similar to "our reality" but might be thought forms created by others. In a slightly different frequency they could be experienced as physically real.


Very Kind Regards,

Richard G.
 
Dear Robert,

I did ask around about the couple who had lived there. In addition, I asked around about the burnt out house I'd seen years earlier, the one that suddenly disappeared and was replaced with a huge oak tree, and I asked a few local businesses about the new businesses on the suddenly refurbished block.

My questions weren't formal or intensive. It seemed to make people very uncomfortable and they would quickly try to change the topic but didn't seem to know why. I learned something that all my questioning had in common with each event.

When these places and these people (when that applied) were THERE as I saw them, so did those around me. For example, I remarked to a friend about the old light manufacturing buildings seemingly falling to rack and ruin that it was an 'eyesore' and the friend agreed. She saw what I saw. But, when asked later, she would nod in agreement but hesitantly. They 'think' they remember but not clearly, as though the present, suddenly new state is solidifying as reality for them while the 'old reality' is fading.

I can feel it happen in my own mind too. It seems like it might be normal. I have to actively resist that to prevent it. In the case of the older couple who lived behind us, people in the neighborhood remembered an older couple HAD lived there but were very, very foggy on how long ago that had been. They just didn't know and my saying, "A month?" didn't help. They'd shrug. How about six months, two years? Shrug.

I live over 800 miles away from there now. I can't check on the records. I wouldn't be surprised if I found out they HAD lived there at some time. When would be most interesting. I didn't even think of it at the time and maybe I didn't because I wasn't supposed to, the way, perhaps, no one else was supposed to remember much of anything at all.

If it happens again, I hope I will have the presence of mind do some a very thorough search into it.
My Best to You, Kat
 
Hi Kat and Everyone,
Thanks, Kat, for your reply.
The fact that the memories of others is somewhat hazy is VERY intriguing. I believe that through a study of mythology (and Joseph Campbell is an excellent source) we might find certain parallels. In particular, the idea of "enchantment", how for example, a castle and its inhabitants could somehow fall "asleep" for a hundred years or more, while for citizens of the town would perceive the castle only on the fringes of reality.
Here is an excellent site, called http://cassiopaea.org/. It it you will find hours of fascinating material. The author, Laura, has been recieving channeled material
from beings who describe themselves as living in the far distant future. The whole approach here is one of scientific investigation, not believing for the sake of believing.
In general terms, these beings posit different levels of reality (called densities). Density One includes rocks and inatimate objects, Density Two includes animals, and Density Three is our human experience of reality. Density Four is a non-material realm which sometimes occurs in our perception. This might include UFO's, astral environments, ghosts, etc. All of these densities may be described as STS (meaning oriented to service to self). Density Five is a place for reflection and thought, and is an after death realm. It is STO, or service to others. Density Six is a higher spiritual dimension, and Density Seven is Unity and Completeness. There is MUCH more, and I'm sure you will enjoy exploring this site.
Laura's husband Ark, is a world class quantum physicist. I was wondering Kat, if I have your permission to share your story with
Ark. Another quantum physicist, Dr. Jack Sarfatti, might also be able to shed some light on your experience. If you don't want me to share your story, naturally I will not do so.
Have a pleasant day, and tonight look in the direction of the constellation Orion for
the meteor showers!

Kind Regards,

Richard G.
 
Dear Richard,

I think I might have visited that site not too long ago. I was looking for something specific which I found at a site called 'Fusion Anomaly' which has a link to a Cassiopaea site. I don't know if it is the same one so I'll go bookmark this one too just in case.

I remember now, I was looking up info on the Voynich Manuscript. I finally went to the library at Yale, virtually that is, and looked at the manuscript myself. A disappointment. Clearly Italian origin, not what all the mystery made it sound like. Oh, well, can't have everything.

Anyway, sure. If there are any questions, I'll do my best to answer them.

My Best to You, Kat
 
Hi Richard, and welcome to the forum.
As Kat and I discussed earlier in this thread, particularly with her neighbors who disappeared, when the experience happens it is so ordinary you simply take no unusual note of it. It's only afterwards that you say, "Whoa! What just happened here?" Then you scratch your head, shrug your shoulders, and in my case, chalk it up as another incident in a long line of odd things that happen occasionally.
I would, of course, Richard, love to find out what really happened to the shop and the old gentleman, but (A) I wouldn't know where to start -- it's been some 20 years, now -- and (B) as odd as it was, it didn't impact my life, and I have no gut feeling that the event "meant" anything one way or another. I just think the nice old fella wanted me to have the jewelry and that was that.
Now I think I'll plant a great big cosmic kiss on top of his cute balding head as a belated "thank you".
White Light -- Gypsy
 
Richard,

Gypsy makes a very important point. At the time, you have no reason to believe there is anything unusual going on. I thought my husband had simply made the acquaintance of an older couple in the home behind ours with a fence that bordered our back yards. They didn't have any children around that I ever saw and lots of extra vegetables growing. It seemed thoughtful of them to offer that to us and to provide advice to my husband, a first time homeowner.

It wasn't until I saw the house take on a completely different appearance literally overnight that I realized something unusual had happened. But, I didn't know what. We simply do not live in a culture that provides for that at all. I can't even think of one which does, that is to offer an advanced account of such a phenomenon.

I also think it may happen far more often than we realize to far more people if not everyone. Its just that we aren't, in general equipped with a logical framework to deal with it. I wonder if there isn't some kind of 'natural' force at work that moves our minds towards an acceptance of what IS which is what our minds base our own sense of reality on, that sense we all agree upon in order to relate to each other in a meaningful way.

Those are my thoughts anyway, Kat
 
Dear Gpysy and Kat,
Suppose that reality, far from being fixed (as we know it)is vibrating and constantly changing. But it is our consciousness and interpretations that give reality its seemingly consistent quality.
Yes, I DO believe that these strange alterations occur to many people, but the experiences are repressed...

Kind Regards,

Richard
 
Kateet,
you should read Phyllis Atwater´s book "Future Memory" by Hampton Roads Publishing. She has surveyed the very phenomena on remembering your future. I´m midway through it and it´s quite fascinating.
She started surveying future memomy with people who had had a NDE, but found many who had these flashes all of a sudden, without NDE or anything. They were very vivid, lasted a few minutes, but still the memories were compelete in a sense that during those minutes you could live through many months, see all the important events and know your future.

Leena :-)
 
What a fascinating read! I just came across this tonight and have spent my spare time reading through it. I'd like to bump it up and share with new members. What are your thoughts about this?
 
Wow, there are some amazing threads on this forum!


I see this drifted off the original topic posted, which in itself is a good question. My answer to that, much to my surprise, is 'Yes' I think 'reframing' something in a p/l regression can alter the present. I had a minor experience of experimenting with that once. I did not really expect it to work. It may just be a coincidence, but it did seem too.


I'll post about that another time.


But :eek: I had an experience in about 2000 similar to Kateen's one with the burned out house that disappeared. I lived in a small village in Yorkshire. I had been out for the day to some sort of event, Bank Holiday sort of thing. When I came back in the evening the farm at the end of the road had CHANGED!!!!!


The place had been called 'X House' and the sign had changed and read 'Y Farm'. The change to the sign was substantial. Not the kind of thing that springs up in an afternoon on a Bank Holiday. When I looked some of the buildings at the farm had changed too.


I call a friend of mine, who is pretty psychic and told him and asked him if he could come at once to the village. He did so. The same as me he knew it had been called 'X House' and that certain buildings that were now there had not existed. Not prefab stuff either, substantial stone buildings.


We looked at the 'new sign' on the gate of this farm, and although it was massively changed from the old one it did not look new. Not pristine like it had been put up that day, and it also had a different mount. Elaborate, not a thrown up in five minutes job.


We then went to the village pub, which was crowded, and began to try to talk to local people about the farm at the end of the road. We were asking people questions like "When did 'X House' change its name to 'Y Farm'? People were looking at us like we were crazy and saying 'But it has ALWAYS been called 'Y Farm'. We asked the same question about the changed buildings and got the same answers 'But they've had that barn for years' etc.


It was well weird. My friend and I BOTH KNEW, perfectly well, that it had not 'always' been called 'X Farm' at all, nor had they had that barn for 'ages'. When I had driven past it that very morning it was called the old name and didn't have the stone barn where it was.


It was a very strange experience, and stranger still as my friend and I BOTH knew something really bizarre had taken place, but no one else did. It was like 'The Twilight Zone'.


I have had a number of other 'time warp' experiences, but that one was THE weirdest. The farm stayed as it was, with the new name, and the new barn, and no one noticed. It seems that even the people who lived at it did not notice.


By the way, I read of an incident recently where a woman's blouse changed colour. When she had put it on in the morning it was pink, when she came to take it off that night it was yellow. And also of someone who had a piece of furniture change its finish overnight.


'Let's do the Timewarp again . . . '


Life is odd!
 
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