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I lay down with my grandson today to make him take a nap. I started to sing a song to him and he said "my other mother sang me lullabyes." I asked him if he knew how it went and he said no. Later I asked his mommy if she uses the word lullabye and she said no. She asked him where he heard the word lullabye and he said his other mother.

A disturbing thing happened when I was trying to get him to nap. He asked me if Todd could find grammy's house. I said no. He said okay then I will be Todd and you be the boy. He stood on the bed and snarled at me. He then proceeded to act like he was chopping wood with high swings over his head and acting like he was hitting me over and over again; snarling the whole time. He said "I am Todd and I am mean and nasty." I asked him what he was doing and he snarled "you can't get away from me, I have a hitter and I am hitting you, you cry when I hit okay." I then said I did not want to play that way and he said "okay then I can pull your hair." I said no you can't we do not hurt people. He asked if Todd came to my house what would I do. I told him I would call the police. He said he did not like Todd because he killed him.

I know you asked what he watches on television. He does not watch movies except a Disney movie. His father watches baseball, football, skiing, soccer, any kind of sport including golf and tennis. He also watches fishing programs. Kade does watch cartoons and when he does someone is always watching with him. He watches the Wiggles, Dora, Sponge Bob, Johnny and the Sprites, Sesame Street, JoJo's Circus and the DoodleBops. There is no violence on these cartoons. Sponge Bob is more geared to entertain parents, I think. He does not have contact with other children except his cousins and they are always in the same room with us.

There is no violence or domestic abuse in my family. He could not have seen actions like he did anywhere that we are aware of. He is a very busy, happy, normal 3 year-old; except when he talks about his other life.

His father does have a terminal disease, but my grandson is too young to understand this. His father is not bedridden but wears a heart catheter. Kade has always seen the pouch and thinks nothing about it.

If these are memories that are surfacing I just cannot imagine the terror a little child who lives with abuse must endure. I wish I knew who Todd was so I could give him a piece of my mind. I hope Todd is not on this earth anymore to torment another child or children.

This conversation is continued from the original thread -which can be viewed HERE.
 
I want to help too.

This is soooo interesting. I have read everything from your first post with my 14 yr old daughter. I cannot wait to read whatever you write next. I'm going to try to help in any way i can so I guess I'm on the verge of being a google addict as well. I wish you all the luck in the world finding a conclusion to this. Do keep us posted!!! I'll be checking back daily.
 
Welcome to the forum winnkinn! :)

We are glad you decided to join the discussion.
Kade's story is fascinating indeed.
It looks like he is having more memories...
Kitn, i understand how hard it must be for you to hear your grandson talking about all the abuse he suffered from this guy named Todd... :(
But remember, he is safe and loved now. Todd can't and won't hurt him anymore.
Thanks for keeping us updated!
 
Hi Kitn,

I spent much of the weekend looking through records of violent crimes, but there are so many of them it may take a while to narrow down! Plus most of the crimes they have listed are from 1990 onwards, so I'll have to try and find some before that time ;)

Fab's right, it must be difficult for you to hear some of the details about Kade's previous life, but you are doing an amazing job with him ;) He is a very lucky little boy to have a grandma like you!

Welcome to the forum winnkinn (and your daughter, too :D ) Kade's story really is fascinating and helping to unravel the mystery is very exciting!


Ailish :)
 
Thanks everyone for helping me search. I wish I knew a last name and it would be easier. I have asked the boy when his other mother would call him what would she call (like we say Kade come here) and he just shrugs his shoulders.

He did say they did not have a TV. But they could have been poor. Your right, I have never realized how many cases of abuse and murder there are.
 
Thanks for the welcome. My 5-year-old daughter has been asking alot of questions about being built again after she dies and very upset that she may not remember me. She ends up crying about it at least every other day. No, I don't think she's reincarnated, but my 14-yr-old, Ginny, was asking me if I believe that happens, I tried to cite her some examples and to make a long story short we ended up here, an hour before her bedtime. We were immediately engrossed in Kitn's story and was up the few next hours. We were listening to the .wav file of Kade saying Kaleval and concentrating on the written transcript at the same time when the phone rang. :eek: We hit the ceiling and Ginny fell out her chair and hit the floor. That was a good laugh. We're making a list of all the key things to search for. I can't IMAGINE having one of my girls tell me how someone beat them before. It would kill me. You're so brave, I completely admire you. Please keep posting. It was the first thing Ginny asked when she got off the bus today. Did she write again?
 
He called the dog de yati again when he came through the door. He said he had a dog when he was with his other mother. I wonder if de yati could be a personal name.

I stated before how he uses his toy men to pretend one is Todd and the other the boy. I went to dry a load of sheets and heard a clunk clunk as it turned. I opened the dryer up and he had hidden one of the men in the dryer. I wonder if he is trying to tell me something. The other day I found one of the men in the corner of the kitchen cabinet. He has never hidden his men before.

I have searched for a Todd using keywords such as murderer, abusive, boyfriend, stepfather and many others and come up with thousands. If anyone has any other ideas for searching please let me me know.
 
PixieFaerie, thank you and no I never thought that may be a surname. He said his mother's name was Sein or Scene. Tonight I saw a man named Sean. They pronounced it Sein. I always thought Sean was pronounced Shawn. That gives me something to search for because her females are named Sean or Shawn.

This is such a big world and we are just a speck of dust on it. I know I am going to have a very difficult time finding information.

Blessings,
Kitn
 
I found this online. It is a female name. Would someone help me with the English pronunciation?

Female names are slightly different. If a grandmother is named for example "Sien" or "Sina" the girls name very often is "Sientje" meaning small/younger Sien, and this will be the name given on the Birth certificate. Thus Sientje is her registered name, not just the diminuitive.

Also, could Todd be a Dutch name?
 
Just keep the faith and listen to your gut and your grandson. The answers are all there, its just gonna take time and patience. Also, My friend who is a female spells her name Shauna. Maybe try Shaun/Saun. I do hope you find the answers you are looking for.
 
Father-uncle-family friend

Hi,
Just a brief note on how to search: you could use the words I've written above. You would be amazed at the number of "fathers-uncles-family friends", who constitutes a child's worst nightmare!!.
Do not think for a moment that only boyfriends, stepfathers, etc. are the possible ones!!
 
I know Sien is a name that is often used in Holland, but I never heard the name Todd as being Dutch or Flemish.
 
a idea

Reading your thread with great interest
I got an idea it will take time though
Can you find a word say word can be bedtime then find the word bedtime in various langages and see if yourgrandson can understand the word
That give you an idea of which language he is speaking
Todd is a surname too theres a sea shanty johnny Todd took a notion to go to go to ocean wide and left his true love weeping weeping by liverpool tide
 
Thanks Eevee, but how would Sien be pronounced in English; Sane or Scene?

We were playing Polly Pockets and I was the mother. We were not even talking about any past memories. I pretended my toy woman fell and said kind of loud "help me" with that he threw his head down on the arm of the couch and his. I asked him what are you doing and he said "I am shaking." That is what brought Todd up.

Kade told me tonight that Todd used to kiss his mother. He also said Todd lived with them. He again said Todd was mean and his mother would yell, help me, help me. He said he would try but Todd would beat him. His words are "he won her and he won me too." He put his hands into fists and was pounding on a pillow "like this."

I asked him again about TV and he said there was no TV.

I know that people abuse children. I just did not realize how many are abused and killed at the hands of people who profess they love them. I will keep searching.
 
Just a thought...........

HI Kitn,

I was reviewing your older thread and something jumped out at me. You said -
He said "Tod shooted his mother", he also said his sisters name is "Tod" and yesterday he said his name was "Tod" when he was with his other mother.
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Is it possible that Todd is the last name? Not the first name. Then his name - his sisters name and the bad mans name - would be one in the same. :D
 
Hi Kitn,

Sien would be pronounced as Scene.

Greetings,

Eevee
 
Eevee, thank you, that is how he pronounced it-scene. We never heard of that name and thought he may have made it up.

I know he used the name Todd for all, so you may be right. I try to remember he is 3 years-old and probably a lot of mixed memories confuses him. He may just be too young to understand surnames although he does know his full name now.

I will search for Sien Todd and see if I come up with anything. Thanks everyone.
 
Hi Kitn,
Just in case this life is a fairly recent one and you find out any more information about names, do you think that looking for names in the prisons may help? I believe most prisons have websites but it sounds like you may need more information first.
Vicky
 
Kitn,
I wouldn't be so concerned with finding out Todd's identity, as much as understanding and responding to Kade's behavior.

Often children will work through a past life trauma through their playing. It might be a good sign that Kade is playing with the figures, even though it is disturbing. It sounds as if he is working through the violent scenes with his outbursts and hitting. I believe it's very important that you use those opportunities to engage in his playing and ask him what is happening to Todd and the little boy. (And make him understand that hurting people is wrong.) He might need to continue to talk about this until he has some understanding and closure.

Have you read CHILDREN'S PAST LIVES yet? I describe how some children need to "re-work" the death scene or trauma so they can get beyond it. Your participation in the process can guide him through it--no matter how many times you need to tell him that he and his mother are all right now, and Todd can't hurt them now. You really have to spell it out for him and let him know that you believe what he is saying.

I was struck by the story of your daughter who died in the car accident. What a terrible tragedy. I wonder if her remarks when she was 3 were about a previous life or some premonition about her current death. Do you sense that she came back as one of your grandchildren?

Keep us posted. I think that my book will reassure you that sometimes children need to act these traumas out, and can be helped with the guidance of an adult who recognizes a past life memory for what it is.

Carol
 
Vicky, thank you and I am now searching prison data bases. That was a good idea.

The last few days Kade has not said much about his other mother or life. Today my grand daughter said she was going to cook spaghetti and he said "my other mother made me that." He also referred to her when his mom and he were in the car.

He is hiding his little men all over the house. Today he tried to climb in the dryer when he got upset. He said he doesn't love anyone anymore. I know he was just over tired. He was playing with his little cousin a little rough and we told him to stop.

I believe he knows more than he is saying. I do know he mixes up time of then and now.

Carol,
Thank you for your post. He does act out while playing with toy men and puppets. He gets so engrossed he actually believes they are real. It concerns me with his playing bury me. You have given me a good idea about letting him act out what happened. Sunday he played shoot me with a gun and bury me. Then he wanted to bury me. I told him I don't like guns and he said it is okay it is just for pretend. I will let him act out what he thinks happened. One time he told me he was shot here and here; pointing to his shoulder and stomach. Is it child's play or memories? I am keeping an open mind.

I don't know if my daughter was remembering a past life or if it was a premonition. She was about 3 when she talked about drowning in a well, and I just thought it was childish chatter. She was very afraid of water until she was about 10 years-old.

Kade has to be reassured that he will grow up. Sometime's he tells me he is a grown up. I tell him no he is a child and he says "look at me I'm growing."

I have not been able to get to the library. I live in the country and my brakes are not safe. I will see if my daughter can get it for me.

I would like to know what happened to the boy who lived with Todd. I would like to find his picture to see what a real monster looks like.

Thank you everyone for helping me. Kitn
 
Tonight when we went to bed my grandson brought his action figures. He said for me to be Todd and he will be the mother. He put two figures under the pillow and said he was hiding his children. He then went up to my action figure and said "your not going to get my children" and began hitting the figure. He told me to fight her. I did not want to, but thought I would see what he would do. He said "I'm going to get my gun" and told me to fight him for it. Bam, bam your dead. Then he said he would be the boy and I would be Todd. He said, "What have you done to my mother?" Then he said "I'm going to get you too" he got the two figures from under the pillow and began that snarling and hitting over and over with a pretend stick. Then he said "bam, your dead."

He did tell me the boy was four years old.

The story is about the same as he has told before. I asked him if he knew the boys name and he said "I'm Kade." I don't think he understand that was a different boy. Maybe in his mind he is the same boy.

I am looking forward to receiving the books from Carol Bowman. I think they will help me understand what is going on.

We have been very busy baking cookies and making fudge. I really enjoy my grandson helping and hope I am giving him happy memories.
 
Wow Kitn,
Hang in there. I know this stuff is hard to hear but it sounds like you are helping him a lot just by letting him get it out.
Have you tried telling him about past lives and that the life with Todd in it is over? The whole story makes me feel for Kade. I hope whoever Todd is that he got what was coming to him for doing that.
Vicky
 
It is terrible to hear what he says. I do try to explain that was then and this is now. He also talks in his sleep ( I do too) and he was talking about Arlis or Artus; sounded like. He was saying something about not doing that again Arlis or Artus. We do not know anyone with this name or even close to the name.
 
According to the ImTranslator.com "SEIN TOD" means "His Death".

But if sein is typed seperately from german to english it means BE
But if sein is typed in from dutch to english it means signal.
Tod just shows up Tod. But that doesnt mean anything really.

It may have alot of meanings. Only he knows, I do hope you find out what it all truly means. My middle daughter used to talk like "When i was big i used to do ..." but at the time i dismissed as her imagination. I sure wished i listened more. My baby (2yrs old) is now doing the same thing. She used to have the nights up and talking to people i didnt see. She really couldnt talk then, but now she tells me her baby is "neena", we know noone with that name. So im just listening and playing with her to see what she says.

Positive thoughts go out to you to help you and him to find his way.
 
Kimothy, I read your link and then googled todt. It does say there was a Todt (meaning death) orginization in Germany. They would go right into homes and kill families. In our history lessons they were called death squads. Not much about the Holocaust was taught in our schools.

I did ask my grandson today about Arlis; sounds like. He said that was a family a long, long time ago. I asked him if he heard that name on TV and he said no. He also wanted my puppet to go to the store and get some food and I marched it out of sight. He then took one of his action figures and started hitting the smaller one (which was the child).

All I can think of is there must have been a lot of abuse going on in the home. Todd is the mean one, always.
 
This interesting but I´m pretty sure Tod and Todt would have been pronounced something like´taught´with a ´t´sound in the end(possibly with a shorter vowel in Todt).
 
Thanks Shield, you are probably right on pronunciation of Todt.

Last night (Thursday) I kept Kade overnight. He was overtired from playing with his baby cousin. I have an old book next to my bed given to someone in 1926 for Christmas; Pinnochio. He reached over and got the book and asked me about it. I showed him it did not have pictures in it. I told him I would read it to him when he gets older.

A month or so ago, when he was showing us how his other mother pressed leaves he put a few in that book. He did not remember that. He turned the pages and found a leaf. He was awed. He asked" how did that get there?" and I said "I don't remember". He said " maybe my other mother put it there. " I answered maybe. "This is really weird" he said. I remembered how he said his other mother was pretty but mean. I told him maybe that his mother sent it there to say she was sorry for being mean. He said "maybe she put it there to tell me she loves me and she is sorry for being so mean to me." I agreed with him and he seemed happy about it. He even went to sleep without his two pacifiers.

He also told me that he was not died for long and that he had to come right back. He also stated that he brought me too. I asked him where he went and he said to Heaven. I asked him how did he get to Heaven and he said he walked. He also told me that he saw Casey (my daughter there) and she told him he had to go to me. I asked him why and he said " to help". I asked him help me what; he said so that I would not be so lonely. This may just be an over active imagination. I told my daughter I think we have a little Steven Spielburg on our hands, lol.

This sounded strange to me because two weeks after my husband was killed I awoke to a man standing near me. He told me "I am not here to hurt you, I am here to help you through this." He repeated the phrase twice and then he was gone. The same word-help-was used. Help me what is the question that I have no answer for.

In reading the book I have found it very helpful. I do realize that at his age he mixes fantasy with his memories; if that is what they are. I am still keeping an open mind. I do know that he is consistant with some of his tellings. I also read that traumatic death experiences tend to carry over into a new life.

I also know that no matter how mean his other mother was to him, he still loved her. I am sure they had happy times. I do know that he is very consistant with Todd and his other mother drinking, that Todd abused him, his other mother was shot in the kitchen, he hid in the cupboard and Todd got him out and shot him too. Once in a while he mentions an older brother who died and his sister Emmy. All of this are pieces to a puzzle which may or may not fit together.

He hasn't wanted to play "bury me" for a while and I am thankful for that. He does like to lay on the floor and say "I'm dead." I just keep telling him that I love him more than the clouds, past the sun, past the moon and more than all the stars in the sky and I would never, ever let anyone hurt him.

The forum has been down since I last wrote the above. Yesterday was Saturday and I went to my daughter's home and we finished our holiday baking for friends and neighbors. Kade asked me to take him potty and I did. While in the bathroom I thought I would ask him if he had a bathroom with a flushing toilet in his other mother's house. He said "no we had to go outside." I then asked him if he had lights like this and turned the light on and off. He answered no. I asked him what did you do for lights? He said very matter of factly "we used candles." I don't think he could have known that long ago people used parafin for lighting. He may be talking of an outhouse.

My grandmother did not have indoor plumbing until the late 60's. She did get electric before indoor plumbing and that was in the early 60's. I remember there was one bare light bulb hanging from the center in each room. Before getting electric she used kerosene lamps. I never remember her using candles. I remember the order of her getting these modern features. First was the electric lights, then running water in the kitchen, a propane cooking range, the outhouse was finally abandoned in 1970. Last she began to use gas space heaters instead of a fireplace and she also got a water cooled fan for cooling. I have washed many dishes in dishpans with heated water from an old wood cook stove. I also remember running to the outhouse early in the morning on dew covered grass. If my grandson meant he came right back down,,,well there seems to be a gap in there somewhere. My daughter said there is no concept of time in Heaven. I asked her how does she know that, or anyone else and she did not know. I know there is more to life than what we see, hear or feel.

Tonight is Sunday night. They were at my house and he had to go potty. I took him and asked him again about a flushing toilet. His answer was "I told you about that yester night-no."

My daughter also said he was talking quite a bit this morning and asking questions. He said he picked her for his mommy and me for his grammy. He also wanted to know if she picked him. Of course she said yes. Then he asked her how she got him out of the box. He kept talking about the box. Later I showed him pictures of a casket and he did not know what it was. We have no idea what kind of box he is talking about.

I am glad the forum is up and running again.
 
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