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How do you know you're actually having a pl memory?

Mikesoft said:
On this forum I see many people posting 'i think this happened' or 'I was a'. I dont see how people can say these things without fully thinking through logically how this was possible or without evidence to back up their feelings. That is why I disregard many of the posts found on this forum, they simply are not credible evidence.

You have come here looking for answers, as have we all. But while I cannot prove my life-long flashbacks - anomalous memory events - are somehow related to a "previous existence" - I cannot disprove it either. We are searching for credible evidence. The Internet is a wonderful tool. A couple of years ago I had a lucid dream set in a wooden hotel called, or in an American town called, Zig Zag. Imagine my feelings when I Googled this and found a hotel called the Zig Zag Inn located in Zig Zag, Oregon - and looking exactly like it did in my dream.

A sceptic would say "that's no proof". Of course not. Only I know what I dreamed, and only I can match what I'd dreamt with the photos of the place. So it remains, Mikesoft, something that I've validated myself to my own satisfaction. Which is good enough for me.

But what I don't know is, for 100%, what these anomalous dreams and memory events mean. Are they proof of life before life, are they suggestive of life after life? I don't know. I'm looking for answers.

Michal
 
Hi Mike,

The only currently existing means to "prove" the existence of spirituality is when it manifests in the "physical". For years I worked at a spiritual center here in Brazil as an incorporating medium, "channeling" spiritual contacts. I can assure you it is "real", but what reasons would you have to believe me? The only means is by personal experience. But I can tell you, for example (just one of MANY I could share :)) about when I was told by an incorporated spiritual entity that my wife was pregnant of our youngest daughter, when my wife was only two weeks into her pregnancy, and neither of us even imagined that she was... ;) :thumbsup:
 
Mikesoft said:
I say :D

How can you prove it can? How can you prove a spirit actually exists?

So far all you've done is said that everyone else is wrong. Why not explain why you believe you are right? You signature reads:

"I am a religious non-believer, this is a somewhat new kind of religion"

Could you explain what a religious non-believer is, since that seems like an impossibility?

John
 
Hi Mike,

I know some of these ideas can be a bit confronting if you are not used to them. In our currently fairly mechanistic scientific model scientists and medical professionals see people as some kind of 'meat machines'. That is probably mostly what you have been taught in school, but that is really not the whole picture. Some things can simply not be explained adequatly using this model. Even some scientists and doctors will attest that there is 'something else' going on that they can't fully explain. The people who come to this forum will attest that there is 'something else' going on. Are they all deluded? Possibly. Possibly not.

What do you think causes these big chunks of meat to walk around, sing, dance, jump, laugh and cry, fall in love, etc? What do you think happens when someone has a near death experience? Is it simply some sort of brain malfunction? Perhaps, or perhaps there is something 'out there' that we don't fully understand as yet. Are you open to that as an even small possibility?

What do you think happens when we die? If you can come up with a theory that explains all this adequately I would be very interested.
 
Hi wishes,


The difference between past-life memories and imagination is not really any different to how you differentiate between imagination and memory in your present life.


Try to remember what you did say...last weekend, that should be easy enough, you know you didn't imagine it, because you experienced it, you remember the feelings and emotions that go with certain events.


Also, for me anyway (i think these experiences are probably different for every individual) past-life memories are very real to me, like i'm actually there in that moment. My senses are picking up every detail, the colours, the smells, the sounds, are all very clear and vivid, even when the memory is very brief.
 
Hi Wishes,


Take a whiz through the FAQ section. There is a lot of good basic info in there to get you started.


The 'how do I know its not just my imagination' question comes up a lot. As Chris has said, how do you know your present life memories are not just your imagination? Because, you just know, eh? They feel different to something you make up.


This is how I explained it to someone else in another post:


"The way to distinguish if something is 'real' or the product of wish-fulfillment/fantasy/projection is to consider the depth of emotion that most people feel when they have these memories. They are usually intensely detailed and personally relevant. Just do a simple exercise yourself. Try to dream up some sort of fantasy about something you have never actually experienced - such as being a matador or an astronaut. You may have a good imagination and be able to picture it all quite well, but unless you have actually done it, it won't have the detail, texture and the depth of a memory of something you have actually done - roller skating, surfboard riding, dating Brad Pitt (I wish!) or whatever."


Why do you ask?
 
How do I know if it's a true PL?


Hey, there.


This is my first post here, so bear with me if I ramble.


I can't claim any long-lasting interest in reincarnation, but I've had a few recurring dreams over the years that just don't "feel" like normal dreams.


When I was much younger, maybe between 7-10 years old, I used to have a particular dream quite often.


At this point, I can only remember a certain fragment of it, but it's still very vivid.


I am in what I can only describe as a "castle"; it's...a stone building and there are torches on the walls. It's night-time, late at night, and we're rushing down some gently-sloped stairs--away from someone (or people).


As I've thought about this dream in retrospect, I feel as if it's a convent. It's definitely the middle ages, maybe earlier; I'm dressed in very simple clothes--wool, I think.


My cousin is there. I know it's my cousin, but it's not really her in the dream.


That's all I remember, though, is running down the stairs. Fleeing from some sort of danger behind us.


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The next dream was one that I had off and on when I was a bit older.


I'm a boy in this dream. Probably about 12 years old. Sometimes, I'm sitting in a car with my parents behind the large, commercial buildings. We're just sitting there, listening to music on the radio, I think. It's a nice, calm "memory" (for lack of a better word) and I always feel content when I have it.


In other parts of the dream (again, I can only remember snippets), it's early morning. Summertime. I know it's the 1960's and I'm in the Midwest. Like I said, it's early morning...and I'm riding my bike, heading somewhere that I've been dozens of times. This route is familiar to me. The small town that I live in is quiet; there's no one around.


I love this time of year. I love riding my bike in summer time. At some point, I look to my right and there's a field, but it's not empty. It's a square piece of land surrounded by a chainlink fence. Inside the fence...I don't know how to describe it. All I know is that it has something to do with electricity. There are some sort of tall, metal structures all in rows. I don't know what they're called but they're common (I've seen things like this even in my current life; if anyone has any ideas what I'm referring to, please let me know!).


In the middle of the road, as I pass the fenced-off area, there's a large metal grate on the ground. It's two solid pieces of metal on the ground that come together in the middle.


I like riding over this part of the road because the metal grating makes a pleasant, hollow clanking noise as I ride by.


This grate, though, becomes almost an obsessive part of the dream. The dream was recurring and over and over again, I found myself riding over that grate.


I always felt happy and content; I could see the road out in front of me...but that's all I remember from the dream.


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And, my final dream wasn't recurring, but it just felt so real that it was disturbing.


It's the 1940's and I'm somewhere in Europe. Definitely not America. I'm a white woman in my very early 20's.


My impression is that it's during WWII, but the dreams is very limited. All I recall is being in a room with my parents (who aren't my "real" parents) in the midst of conversation.


The next part of the dream is very powerful. We--my whole family--then proceed to calmly take cyanide pills. Just before, I look at my father's face, then I take a deep breath. I go numb...it's a feeling I can't really describe. I KNOW I'm dying. I feel warm all over. Then there's a bright, whiteness everywhere.


When I woke up from this dream, I was vaguely terrified. I truly thought I'd died. I FELT like I had died. It was really, really weird.


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Okay, so at long last, I'm really just wondering how I know if my dreams are just dreams, or if they're memories from past lives.


I haven't had any of these dreams for years, but out of all of the ones I've had--many of which were recurring in some form or another--only these ones seemed different to me somehow.


And if these are/were memories from past lives, is there any way to bring these dreams back so that I can perhaps gain more information about them?
 
Hi BonnieDee,


Welcome to the forum.


Your dreams sound very much like typical past life dreams - they are about fairly day-to-day events (sort of!) - in that you are not a queen or anybody especially remarkable or anything (no Cleopatras or Napoleons) not that that doesn't happen, it is just unusual. They are vivid, detailed and personal and seem to engage all the senses and somehow they have that feeling of deep meaning to you. They don't feel like just any old dream.


Various high-ranking Nazis did take cyanide and also poison their families at the end of the war. Is it possible you were German in the WWII life? Do you remember anything like what you were wearing, the furnishings, etc. that might give you a hint? Your father wasn't in uniform was he? I have remembered dying a couple of times. It is a strange experience.


There are various ways you can get more information. You can meditate, you can listen to regression tapes or you can see a professional regressionist. You can also try to 'program' yourself to have more dreams by clearly intending to do so before going to bed and make sure you keep a notebook handy on the bedside. Take a look under the heading 'Past Life Regression' to get all sorts of tips regarding this.


Good luck and enjoy the forum.
 
Investigate

bonneidee1017 said:
Hey, there.
Okay, so at long last, I'm really just wondering how I know if my dreams are just dreams, or if they're memories from past lives.
One thing that I would suggest is to do actual historical investigations. That's actually what convinced me. Use your common sense to get started and then go from there. You said in one dream you were in a castle in the Middle Ages most like. Well, castles are most likely to be found in Europe, and many of them still exist. Start looking at pictures. It may jog your memory and you could find yourself recognizing places that you have never been to. Although it will be virtually impossible to track your identity down personally, you can do research on the time and period to see if the things you remember tally with that period. What I have found was when my wife would relate similar things to me, she would include many details that you would not normally know by the "standard" ways. Of course, if you can verify it, there is no way to tell that is not just information that you have digested then regurgitated in a different form later, the more obscure the information, the better evidence it will provide to you. Keep in mind, that you may want to try to get a map of the area in the tongue native at the time. English in 1200 A. D. was a lot different than the English of today for example. you remembered a battle? Many of them are documented as well.


In the 20th century, I assume most people have some sort of records so they may be easier to track if you can manage to get a name or location. I think the metal things you refer to are called Pylons, part of the electrical distribution system.


Have you read any of Yonassan Gershom's books? He has a number of books about Holocaust survivors. Some of those may jog your memory some. You may want to contact him if you have memories of the Holocaust as he is an authority in this area and may be able to help you.
 
Hello Bonneidee1017 and welcome! :)


To me your dreams sound like possible PL dreams, as they have been repetitive and emotional. They also sound to me like "genuine" memories, if that makes any sense.


Do you have any feelings towards a country or an era hundreds of years ago? How about being a nun - does it sound fascinating or perhaps horrifying to you?


How about American Midwest and the 1960's - any feelings towards them? Your memories/dreams from there are pretty vivid and detailed. I don't know much about electricity or am not very familiar with English vocabulary around this topic, but could the place you were describing be some kind of a power plant or something like that? Do you think you could find us a picture to help? Google has a very good image search option.


And thirdly - how do you feel about WWII, the era, the countries involved?


I hope you will enjoy this forum. Read through some threads that seem interesting to you, and go see the FAQ section for some useful "basic" information. I'm sure you'll find help and ways to explore your childhood dreams further, if you want to. Usually when we get interested in things like this, it's a sign we need to work with the memories, and it could be most useful for your current life. :thumbsup:


Karoliina
 
So after a long time of searching last night, I think I figured out what the "metal things" in my dream were.

I instinctively know that they have something to do with electricity, so I assumed it was a power plant and I even thought they were the pylons that Kolchak mentioned.

However, once I looked through Google images of pylons and transmitters, they were too tall, too widely-spaced and just not right.

Finally, I found a few images of substations and they were almost exactly what I always saw in my dream. But what I found really weird was that I've never, to my knowledge, seen a substation before. I was almost certain I had at one point or another, but once I saw the actual image, I knew I haven't ever. Except in my dream.

This is really weirding me out because I knew specifically what I was looking for, right down to the chainlink fence that surrounds the majority of the substation images.

The only problem is that the image of the metal plate in the ground seems to be for temporary construction. However, I feel as if the metal plating in my dream is more permanent, somehow.

In answer to the question about my interest (or lack of) in the 1960's Midwest, I have to say I haven't had much outside the dream.

I'm about to graduate from college, though, and in looking for graduate schools, I felt almost drawn to Illinois. I'm actually planning a trip to Chicago with my sister in about two months and I'm extremely excited about it. More excited than I've ever been about any trip, actually. I just keep thinking that Chicago is going to feel like "home" which is odd because I don't really like big cities that much. I'm actually thinking about settling somewhere outside Chicago, but near it, after I finish graduate school

In addition, I'm not sure this relates much to the dream because in it, I live in a small, quiet town--not quite rural, but a far cry from Chicago's size. So if there's a link there, I'm not finding it.
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As for the medieval dream...well, I'm not sure I was a nun. Perhaps I was just in a convent? I don't know.

I'm an English major with a strong interest in history, but I've developed a strong affection for medieval literature over the past year or so. The minute I sat down in my first medieval lit. class, I was hooked.

I've also studied French for the past 6 1/2 years, which made no sense because my hometown has a large hispanic population. I was what I can only call "naturally" good at French in the beginning. I'd miss a day of class, come back the next day and get top score on a test.

But once I started studying French in college and the language became all about grammar and preciseness, I wasn't good at it anymore. I don't know what happened. Part of me feels like, with a different learning method, I'd still be good at it, but that's not something I'm in a position to explore at this point.

I mention the French language because it has been invaluable to me in my study of medieval literature and Middle English. It's like, as a 14-year-old, I knew that when I was 21 yrs. old, I'd decide to study the Middle Ages, so I needed French.

Okay, enough rambling there; I'm definitely not getting anywhere.

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Now the final dream about WWII. I don't remember much since I only had that dream one time and it was a few years ago.

I remember that I was wearing a very loose, crisp white shirt tucked into my pants rather high on my waist. My hair was down, I think. Dark brown and curling gently at my shoulders. I had peculiar eyes. Not deformed, really...just something odd about them.

One side of the room is full of windows that are spilling light into the room. The furniture is dark, dark wood. Highly polished.

First I'm at the table with my parents. It's just me and my parents. Then we move over to the couches, I want to call them couches but something just made me hesitate.

Vi-chow? That's the word that keeps coming to me.

...I just Googled this, but nothing came up. So on a whim, I looked at an English-German dictionary for "couch."

Die couch. Not really all that similar to "vi-chow".

Anyway, as I said above, I'm very interested in history. Mostly ancient history involving Greece and Rome; medieval history (European, but mostly France and England); then there's a big jump past the Renaissance, to American history from early settlement up to the Civil War (say 1600's-mid 1800's). Then another small jump where I'm interested in WWI and II (particularly II).

As I said in my previous post, I'm just very curious about how I know if I'm regressing or if I just have an active imagination fueled by my interest in history.

I do, however, find my "discovery" of the substation images rather interesting, though.

The skeptic in me wants to challenge everything, but the believer thinks there's something compelling in all of this.
 
Kolchak said:
One thing that I would suggest is to do actual historical investigations. That's actually what convinced me. Use your common sense to get started and then go from there. You said in one dream you were in a castle in the Middle Ages most like. Well, castles are most likely to be found in Europe, and manyof them still exist. Start looking at pictures. It may jog your memory and you could find yourself recognizing places that you have never been to. Although it will be virtually impossible to track your identity down personally, you can do research on the time and period to see if the things you remember tally with that period. What I have found was when my wife would relate similar things to me, she would include many details that you would not normally know by the "standard" ways. Of course, if you can verify it, there is no way to tell that is not just information that you have digested then regurgitated in a different form later, the more obscure the information, the better evidence it will provide to you. Keep in mind, that you may want to try to get a map of the area in the tongue native at the time. English in 1200 A. D. was a lot different than the English of today for example. you remembered a battle? Many of them are documented as well.
I disagree Kolchak. After my first experience I was given advice to remember most of the life before you do the research, so you wouldn't subconsciously take some of the information you learned and place it into your memory. I think that historical research isn't all that necessary, yes it might be fun to do but the more important things are the lessons you will learn from your lives. ;)
bonneidee1017,


Have you considered meditation, self-guided regression, or even professional regression. You might find these threads interesting...

How to find out about your past lives.

How to find a reputable hypnotherapist.

What a regression is and what to expect

Tips for Meditation

I hope these links are helpful. :)

VanH.
 
vanhalen50one50 said:
I disagree Kolchak. After my first experience I was given advice to remember most of the life before you do the research, so you wouldn't subconsciously take some of the information you learned and place it into your memory. I think that historical research isn't all that necessary, yes it might be fun to do but the more important things are the lessons you will learn from your lives. ;)
VanH.
My wife was able to easily distinguish what she remembered from what she had read in books . . . if I asked her about something she would usually be pretty specific, but I recall her recognizing some Irish city names in Gaelic but not in English. She wanted as much historical evidence as possible to assure her that it was indeed possible. Sorry.
 
People have different opinions on whether historical research and validation is important. If you want to get historical validation, it's better to try and remember as much as possible before starting the reasearch - but it's often difficult to stay that patient. :o Some people don't see historical validation as important, and think what they remember is true to them and they are remembering it for a reason - and that's enough. I can understand both views.


I like to validate my memories, but it's not the most important issue to me. Also if I get a hint in a dream for example - a foreign word or something - I want to look it up, because I'm curious and I believe I'm supposed to find out then.


Bonneidee,


It's great you found what you saw in your dream. :) I don't know how much you have those things all over the country, but do you think it would be possible to try and look where in Illinois for example they have them? You have also a lot of clues from your passions etc. if you want to start digging deeper with your other past lives.


Karoliina
 
An interesting old thread if you're new to exploring your past lives or if you are questioning the concept of reincarnation :)
 
I agree, ChrisR. Very interesting with helpful links.


Bonneidee's post caused me to think about a place that seemed similar to what she described. She mentioned a field with some sort of metal structures fenced in and near a town in the midwest. There was a place near Santa Fe Park in Willow Springs, IL that had towers that may fit with what she remembered. They were in a grassy area and lined up in a row. The link no longer exists so I did not get to see the images that she found.


Willow Springs is a suburb close to Chicago and she said she felt drawn to Chicago and was going there with her sister. I wonder how it all turned out.


I'm sorry if I assumed wrong that Bonneidee is female. Going by the name.
 
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