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How is reincarnation and near death experiences connected?

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MobiusX

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What are the main similarities that they have? Have you ever heard of a case where the subject claims to experience both?
 
In my opinion, in order to experience Reincarnation, one must first die and physically leave their current lifetime, and then be ready to be eventually reincarnated into a new body.


Several scenario's are at work leading up to a Reincarnation, one has to be willing to be reincarnated, the correct set of circumstances involving both the new body (race, sex and so forth) and the family situation (single parent, large family and so forth) must be considered and met.


And finally, one has an agenda to work on (such as learning tolerance and patience and so forth) and the availability of a body yet to be born.


"Near Death Experience" is as the name implies, an experience that occurred to you that was near death, but wasn't.


So again, in order to experience Reincarnation, one has to die first.
 
Can you talk about these circumstances a little bit more in detail? Are there certain circumstances in someone's life that might lead him to be reincarnated? Is this a pattern seen in many cases with reincarnation? And what book did you get this information from?
 
One needs to be Reincarnated in order to learn from life's lessons, rather like going to school here on Earth, it basically boils down to acquiring Knowledge and learning to Love (in it's many forms) and is a pattern seen in almost all lives.


I don't remember exactly which information came from which book, as I have been reading books on Reincarnation (along with Parapsychology) since I was a teenager and I'm in my 50's now.


Early on the books came from libraries and as my finances improved later on, I started purchasing them.


In addition to books, I arrived at a decision on believing in Reincarnation due to the dreams that I had has a child, not nightmares, as these were pleasant dreams, but nevertheless dreams of places that were not of my current lifetime, and even as a young child, I KNEW they were not, but I didn't know of Past Lives yet.


Later on as a teenager I began to satisfy my inner curiosity and finally arrived at a decision that I have held since then.


I suppose someone searching for a scientific reason for believing in Reincarnation will be greatly disappointed in me as a person, as I believe in Reincarnation based on "faith", which to me is a yardstick longer than eternity.


So when all is said and done, I can or cannot prove Reincarnation, but instead I (as one person) arrived at a decision based on faith, hardly scientific I know, but that's me. :)


Sorry again to the forum for the long post, I get going sometimes.
 
MobiusX said:
Can you talk about these circumstances a little bit more in detail? Are there certain circumstances in someone's life that might lead him to be reincarnated? Is this a pattern seen in many cases with reincarnation? And what book did you get this information from?
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Some of the best sources for NDEs can be found in books by Dr. Melvin Morse, P.M.H. Atwater, Dr. Raymond Moody, and Dr. Kenneth Ring. You can also find Near Death Experiences at Near Death Experience Research Foundation, International Association for Near-Death Studies, and Near-Death.com.


You may find that the most veridical reports come from children, whose descriptions are consistent and quite different in character from stories that come from a child's imagination. Although few of these reports contain direct references to Reincarnation, almost all of them describe consistent experiences that indirectly relate to past lives in some way.
 
The word "reincarnation" derives from Latin, literally meaning, "entering the flesh again". The Greek equivalent metempsychosis roughly corresponds to the common English phrase "transmigration of the soul" and also usually connotes reincarnation after death, as either human, animal, though emphasising the continuity of the soul, not the flesh. Another Greek term sometimes used synonymously is palingenesis, "being born again". Source: Wikipedia
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Late Latin, from Greek metempsychōsis, from metempsychousthai to undergo metempsychosis, from meta- + empsychos animate, from en- + psychē soul
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There is a movie titled "Bourne Identity" where the main character is 'shot' and wounded. The movie doesn't go into detail about whether he 'died' or - just came close to death. When he wakes up - he has 'retrograde amnesia' and can not remember his 'former life' prior to his death. He forms a 'new persona' - even though he is in the same body.


There are some people who do sufferer enough trauma from a wound that leads to 'near death' - and in the aftermath - a 'new persona' is created due to life changing event associated with the mystical aspect of spirit - or - the psychological changes that occur in the aftermath.


One of the first NDE's to go mainstream is Dannion Brinkley who underwent a major shift in personality after being struck by lightening. It could be said that he was 'born' into a new personalty after his 'near death' experience - even though he came back into the same 'body of flesh.' By the Latin defination - reincarnation isn't defined as coming into a 'different body of flesh' as much as it is the "soul" coming back into and animating the 'body of flesh' again after death.


Birth is defined as: the coming into existence of something; origin.


That would be how I see the similarities in 'reincarnation' and the 'near death experience.'


DK
 
So far I read Life before Life by Jim Tucker for reincarnation and Evidence of the Afterlife by Jeffrey Long for near death experiences, and they do answer some of the questions I asked, I asked because I wanted to know if there were different explanations than the ones I got from the book. This is a question for everyone, Can an average person increase their chances of being reincarnated? What are the chances of a person getting reincarnated (do statistics for this exist)? Those circumstances mentioned before, what if someone puts himself in those circumstances in hopes of being reincarnated? Will that work?
 
MobiusX said:
What are the chances of a person getting reincarnated (do statistics for this exist)? Those circumstances mentioned before, what if someone puts himself in those circumstances in hopes of being reincarnated? Will that work?
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Hi Mobius! Your question is an easy one to answer. Everyone actively researching Reincarnation believes that everyone has past lives -- possibly even thousands of past lives.


Depending upon how far we have each developed, most people are allowed to chose where and how they will incarnate on this earth. And, our choices are made with the help of others on both sides of what we call reality.


I/we sense that your questions arise from a recent event that has rather suddenly propelled you to this Forum. Please feel free to open up about your questions and don't hold back. You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.
 
I want to be given the chance to enjoy my childhood and teen years again since that's the age I most appreciated in my life. I read that some people have experimental birthmarks, what is most commonly used to make these marks on the body? Is there one that is known to work the most? Soot, paste, smear of butter is what I read. It just sounds weird to me that that's all it takes to make these birthmarks appear on the body of the newborn. I thought it would take something more like a cut on the body. But these experimental birthmarks require the help of others who are willing to make them while the person is dying or after he's dead. This is not the case with me, since my family does not believe in reincarnation and even if I told them to do it after I die, they still wouldn't because they consider it to be against their religion. So what can be done?
 
MobiusX said:
I want to be given the chance to enjoy my childhood and teen years again since that's the age I most appreciated in my life. I read that some people have experimental birthmarks, what is most commonly used to make these marks on the body? Is there one that is known to work the most?
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When you write about wanting to be given the chance to enjoy your childhood and teen years again, one gets the impression that you are not looking ahead with much confidence for your present life. Please clarify your present mood and the reason for your interest in reincarnation?


Ian Stevenson and Jim Tucker wrote about "experimental birthmarks", and they have identified some thirty or so cases, including one in which family members used lipstick to mark the deceased in order to identify a child who was later born to the family with the same mark on the back of her neck. Although they have identified these cases, they have not claimed that such things actually work. One should keep in mind that millions of prisoners were tattooed by the Nazis during World War II; yet, there are no known cases of children being born with those same corresponding marks.


It should be noted that those who study reincarnation generally believe that we are all able to chose our future lives as well as the people we are born with. However, such choices are not only based upon when or where we were most happy. Some say that such choices are similar to picking college courses that will help us to achieve our long-range goals. Some choices are not always interesting, and some might not even be good. However, we know that those choices are necessary in order to grow as human beings.
 
I just want to be given another chance to enjoy childhood and teen years again since I'm not enjoying being 26, it's not the age I prefer to be and life is not so good, but I'm not suicidal, reincarnation is my only hope of this coming true since I can't go back to the past. I don't want reincarnation to exist because I want it to, but because of the evidence that is found for it. http://www.nderf.org/ That near death experience site isn't a good site, I read the book, it was good but I prefer Life before Life by Jim Tucker way more, plus I registered on that nderf site 5 times and never got the activation link for registration even though I sent a message to them telling them to activate it.
 
MobiusX said:
I just want to be given another chance to enjoy childhood and teen years again since I'm not enjoying being 26, it's not the age I prefer to be and life is not so good, but I'm not suicidal, reincarnation is my only hope of this coming true since I can't go back to the past.
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Mobius...Since you are anonymous here, there should be no reason to be embarrassed by talking about your situation. Why are thing going badly for you right now? What prompted your interest in Near Death Experiences in the first place?
 
Nightrain1 said:
Mobius...Since you are anonymous here, there should be no reason to be embarrassed by talking about your situation. Why are thing going badly for you right now? What prompted your interest in Near Death Experiences in the first place?
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This is more of a personal issue that belongs in a psychology forum, but what led me to read about NDE's is after reading a little about it in the reincarnation book.
 
MobiusX said:
This is more of a personal issue that belongs in a psychology forum, but what led me to read about NDE's is after reading a little about it in the reincarnation book.
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As you know, all things are related, Mobius; and it does no harm to go into more detail as to why reincarnation seems so attractive at this point in your life.


Do you believe, as some do, that we have chosen our present life circumstances for a reason?
 
Mobius, Let me put in my 2 cents on NDEs. I had a NDE after heart surgery 10 years ago. I no longer fear death but I do know that I must wait my turn to go. I would not presume to tell you that things will be better for you since I have no idea of your circumstances. Statistically speaking, at age 26 you have many years ahead to have wonderful times.


I believe that we have things to do and things to learn in each life. If we refuse to learn or die before we have learned, we are going to come back again with the same lessons to learn. Know that when you die, you will be asked what you have done to help your fellow man. Even the small deeds are highly valued. We don't have to find a cure for cancer but only to send a card to a cancer patient.


As to the NDERF site. It is not what it used to be. Jeff and Jody Long did a wonderful job with it but I don't know that they are as involved as they once were. There are many other places to go for NDE information. IANDS is a good place to start.
 
hydrolad said:
In my opinion, in order to experience Reincarnation, one must first die and physically leave their current lifetime, and then be ready to be eventually reincarnated into a new body.
Several scenario's are at work leading up to a Reincarnation, one has to be willing to be reincarnated, the correct set of circumstances involving both the new body (race, sex and so forth) and the family situation (single parent, large family and so forth) must be considered and met.


And finally, one has an agenda to work on (such as learning tolerance and patience and so forth) and the availability of a body yet to be born.


"Near Death Experience" is as the name implies, an experience that occurred to you that was near death, but wasn't.


So again, in order to experience Reincarnation, one has to die first.
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Regarding scenerios and circumstances. According to you, conditions have to be right. If this is the case, what dictates who is born into a family where abuse, sexual abuse and neglect will occur? What dictates who will be born into cultures where mass genocide occurs? What dictates who will be born into a life in which learning and progressing is nearly impossible?
 
xTheFormlessOne said:
What dictates who will be born into cultures where mass genocide occurs? What dictates who will be born into a life in which learning and progressing is nearly impossible?
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Believe it or not, individuals are said to choose such difficult circumstances for themselves. In this present life, are there not difficult or seemingly insane choices that people make for themselves? Why couldn't the same be true when choosing one's next lifetime? Sometimes, we can only learn true compassion for someone's plight by having suffered it oneself.
 
Any reasonable person would recognize the argument as impossible. Having said that. The ratio of people living the good life to people living a difficult life in this world is low. It seems unreasonable that the vast majority of beings would choose a hard life over a loving one.


I tend to believe that people fortunate enough to own a computer would jump at the chance for a next life. I tend to think people who are not fortunate enough to own a computer would not willingly take a chance of having to go through another life again.


Having said that. Things dont add up to me.
 
xTheFormlessOne said:
The ratio of people living the good life to people living a difficult life in this world is low. It seems unreasonable that the vast majority of beings would choose a hard life over a loving one.
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When I was in college during the 60's I became bored with the prerequisite course load required for a freshman. After four terms at school and Vietnam heating up, I opted to join the Army. You could say that such a move was illogical -- even downright stupid. Other people certainly did. After surviving an incomplete tour in Vietnam and several months in hospital, I entered college again, sometimes choosing difficult courses. The rest of my life has followed a similar pattern, sometimes biting off more than I could chew, but I can't say that I have any regrets.


I have watched people make much worse decisions--countless couples who chose each other when it was obvious that there could be no good results, for example. Or, people who choose to live outside the law, leaving their lives in constant turmoil. There are countless examples of choices that anyone can see would amount to disaster.


Why shouldn't it also follow that people choose difficult circumstances before they are born? Enjoying the "good life" may be just an illusion, after all. I have known rich people whose lives were in as much turmoil as any I've seen. It may be that the good life is not to be found here on Earth, even with all its computers, cars, good food and material goods. Perhaps it's when we are done here that we find true love.
 
Mobius:


NDE and reincarnation are connected in this one way: they are both evidence that our existence does not begin or end within a lifespan. I've had NDEs and have past life recall, and both have completely changed the way I look at life and death.


FormlessOne,


It's a good question, but the bigger one is better: Why do we, if things are fairly simple and painless on the other side, live at all?


The only answer I can come up with is, there must be a reason we need to learn from trials and tribulation. You wrote of the ratio of good happy lives vs unhappy lives - I don't think any of us come to live a carefree life, and I don't think anyone ever has, no matter how good that life might seem on the outside. Perhaps we come because an eternity of peace is boring - who knows? I like to think that living makes us appreciate what we have in the long run.
 
xTheFormlessOne said:
It seems unreasonable that the vast majority of beings would choose a hard life over a loving one.
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I always liken this with going to school. I think the majority of us can remember how there were certain lessons that we really enjoyed, and other lessons that we didn't enjoy so much, or even hated. But most of us had the good sense to realize the importance of our education as a whole. Every lesson was necessary in order to gain the qualifications we needed in order to move forward in life with a chosen career.


It's just the same with our past lives, nobody wants to live a life of misery (just like we didn't want to attend those lessons that we disliked) but we know that we need to experience everything, both the good and the bad, to become whole.


I'd like to know if we get to decide our forthcoming life independently, or whether our guides have more say over the life we are about to live, otherwise it would be too easy to delay the more 'difficult' lives until another time :)
 
A) A hard life does not necessitate an absence of love.


B) As Nightrain pointed out, people do stupid things.


C) If your loved ones were going to struggle, and probably flounder on their own in a hard life, wouldn't you want to help them? Wouldn't you join them if there was even the slightest hope that would make a difference for the better?
 
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