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Identical twins, multiple births

hi brevity,

It's fascinating that you mentioned chimeras! I was watching a show on the learning channel the other night called "Am I My Twin". There were two women on it, one with three children, and one with two (who was pregnant again). The pregnant woman had a DNA test done to determine paternity on her children and it turned out the father was the biological dad, but the tests showed that she wasn't genetically linked to her children at all! They accused her of welfare fraud, accused her of taking her boyfriend's kids from another woman, accused her boyfriend and sister of having these children together, etc. because science said she wasn't the mother of her children. The same thing happened to the other woman, but she was only genetically linked to one of her three children! It turns out that both of these women were chimeras...something I'd never heard of before. Thank you for sharing, I found your post very interesting!


Ailish
 
I saw that program too. :) I thought it was fascinating.

One thing that really struck me is that they have no idea how many people fit into that catagory. All things considered, DNA evidence for anything really can't be considered conclusive. That's quite an eye opener in a day when DNA is regularily used in solving crimes or deciding paternity cases.

Another thing that strikes me is how many people feel that they are or were a twin (myself included :o ). I think when we really start looking at all the information available, it seems quite possible that the majority of people may have been a twin in the beginning, although it may never have been detected.
 
thanks ailish!!

Yeah i think twins are fascinating as well because i read so many books on the topic as my sons are identical twins. I found the study fascinating which claimed that identical twins who were separated at birth and were raised by different families apparently had such similar experiences turned out so similar in such a great variety of ways, an article i read said that a set of identical twins even arrived to meet each other dressed in the same type of clothing :) had experiences like girlfriends or wives with the same names, even pets and even often visited the same places during their lifetimes spent apart. Did you know? if a set of identical twins marry another set of identical twins their children would be genetically indistuingishable from the other couple's children, closer than normal siblings therefore.

brevity
 
brevity,

How interesting it must be to be the parent of twins! I used to babysit identical twin girls, and they were so much fun to watch interacting with each other! The girls never used their own language (twin speak), but most of the time it didn't seem as if they needed one!

I've heard about twins that were raised apart following similar life paths...I found that fascinating. It was brought up as a discussion topic by my psychology prof. You know...the whole nature vs. nurture debate.

I saw an article in the newspaper about identical twin brothers who married identical twin sisters. They were both pregnant at the same time. One had a boy, one had a girl (the children did not look anything alike, even though many people expected them to). I never heard anything more about their children. I never knew that their offspring would be genetically indistinguishable, though. That's amazing!

Ailish :)
 
Was I a Twin

I also watched that program. I found it fascinating and it has played around in my mind a lot since then. I have always missed my sibling so very badly. When I saw that program I wondered if one of those things could have happened to me and that was the reason that I missed my brother or sister so much. I told everybody that I had a sister and she was dead when I was a small child. I got my setter paddled for lying more than once too. Isn't is interesting that when something of this nature comes into my conciousness that it comes up here too? It happens every single time! :eek:
 
hi ailish :)

Yeah it was a fascinating hairraising journey so far, along with a great deal of pain, fear and sadness. Someone mentioned in an earlier post that one twin is sometimes righthanded and the other lefthanded, and they are like that as well. The lefthanded one although born smaller and also the one born second, was for some reason the most dominant of the two.

Another thing that was interesting to me was that they never really paid much attention to each other until they were close to a year old when the dominant twin reached over and pulled off his brothers shoe.

But they seemed to find it hard often to be in this situation of being always thrown together and would sometimes react violently to each other as if fate bound these two souls together who would have maybe preferred to be separate :( and yet there is such a strong link that they cant tear themselves away from each other and lead separate lives even though they are 22 years old now...

And sadly if one has the desire to follow some negative impulse the other brother always follows but it doesnt seem to work in a positive way to balance it.

Another thing which amazes me is that they acted since birth as if their father is a total stranger, they only seem to belong and identify with me and today they and their father rarely have contact with each other, and due to circumstances i dont even live on the same continent as they do now, which is probably the most difficult painful thing i had to face in this life, and maybe even worse for them, but i console myself with believing that maybe they needed to be separated from me as i might have been too overprotective.
mmm i seem to have personalised the whole twin thing and didnt stay with the topic sorry :o
Brevity
 
Past-Life involving a Twin couple

Hiya Everyone :)

I wish to express publicly in this forum and to share with you an unexpected PL-remembrance I had while replying to a topic about "random memories".

I need to share this with you because I need to definitely heal from this past-life. Past is past: I need to be the only master of my life now.

Thanks to Karoliina, I realised I was releasing myself from some kind of abusive love which source takes origin in one of my most painful PL's.

So here are the words I wrote then:


Axel said:
(...)

# PL about a lost twin brother:

This is actually one of the most painful remembrances I have so far. Maybe it is related with my earliest PL because many signs seem so vivid in my present life. I feel I have a lot to heal about it.

A few years ago, I noticed that I was having a weird habit since my very young age. Each time I saw a beautiful postcard in a shop, I always bought two of them: one of me and one for ???. It seemed natural for me to buy each beautiful postcard twice. I only did that for pictures, not for toys, nor anything else. I needed to keep a copy for ???. I had a total eclipse of my mind about that person whose name is ???.

Many years afterwards, I realised that I was missing a « twin ». I wondered if that was a usual way that many people use so that they don't feel alone, some kind of self-induced remembrance, the need of having an unvisible friend (like many kids have). No, there was something else than this.

Anyway, I forgot this all, quitted that habit, telling myself it was meaningless: I haven't got any twin brother in my life. I don't believe in « soul mate », « twin flame » and so on. I explored those concepts but I didn't find any meaningful clue in what I was feeling in those times.

The weirdest event happened a few years ago, as I was going to a job interview. This was a little factory in France. I came in. There was only one person in the hall, busy at sorting things. I asked him where I could find the person I had an interview with and when I saw his face and his height, I had a big shock. That was the very first I saw that man yet he seemed deeply familiar to me, in a way I didn't understand.

Anyway. I got that job and stayed in that company for one year only. I felt very close to that man, I needed to be close to him because I was feeling we were very close inside, like twins.

But that man was a mirror. I was very aware that I have nothing in common with that man. But deep inside of me, everything kept telling me he was the love of my life, the strongest and purest love of all.

I was very confused. I suffered a lot about this because that factory was bad for me, that man was only a mirror but deep inside of me, it became almost vital to see his face. I had to leave that factory because it wasn't good for my career but at the same time, there was something deep inside of me who couldn't bear to stay away from this face. That was real torture for me. I could only see that man at work, not in private life.

I left that factory with lots of pain because of that uncontroled love from within. I was lucky I was so busy during the next job because it eventually cut me from such a torture in my heart. I couldn't help thinking about that face every minute, but thanks to the busy work, my thoughts were focused on the work itself instead. I was eventually released from such a past remembrance.

I am now aware that that man actually looked like my twin brother I° had during one of my PL's. I° deeply loved my twin – like many twins do – and I° couldn't believe I° would survive if we° were separated from one another.

So if I saw my PL-twin in that man, this also means that I saw how I° looked like during that past-life. I had a big shock the first time I saw that man because I brutally saw the mirrored reflect of who I° was in another lifetime.

I° was very tall, slim, pale skin, dark eyes, silvery white hair.

The worst of it all is: I eventually knew that that colleague felt an unexpected deep shock too when we first met in person. I am almost sure we have a PL in common but our present lives definitely blocked the unfolding process. Therefore, in my view, everything is definitely lost between us°, during that lifetime where we° were twins.

I think that one of us° brutally died during that lifetime, and that the remaining twin suffered a lot because of this. In spite of all the blockages we had in our present life, we were able to shortly live together once more. Yes, those were short moments in our life but eventually, we succeeded.

I am talking about "love shared by twins". This has nothing sexual - of course not. It is beyond this. I think that only twins can understand this kind of love.

I think it was necessary for me to cut any link I had with that twin I° had during another life, because I feel that that link blocked my own life. Thanks to that re-encounter, I could achieve my mourning through past-lives at last. It is very important for me that there is no more PL-cord tied to my heart in my present life. Past is past and I have to go ahead.

I think that my° twin brother was very possessive and I° suffered a lot about this, even though I° loved him° above all. Relationships in twin-couples are sometimes too strong.

I feel now that I am released from that "possessive love", at last.

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I wish I could write a shorter post but those words really came from my "heart" and I needed to share them with you in Carol Bowman's forum the way they came.

Kind regards,
Axel :)


I feel in my "heart" (in my solar plexus actually) that during one of my surfacing PL's, I° was a man deeply kept into my twin brother's possessive love.


Have you ever had remembrance about Past-Lives involving twins too?

Sharing similar PL's in this field would help me a lot :)



Thanks :)

Kind regards,
Axel :)
 
Hello Axel,


I have just recently remembered a PL in which I had a twin sister. I don't have much to share yet, but it seems having a twin was very special for me, too. Maybe I'll post about that PL on this forum later, when I know more about it. :)


Karoliina
 
Past is past: I need to be the only master of my life now.
The past is Now too. But if you don't want the Past to affect you in a negative way, heal whatever you choose to. This is how you truly master the Now.


Balancing your past is balancing your Always.
 
Karoliina said:
Hello Axel,
I have just recently remembered a PL in which I had a twin sister. I don't have much to share yet, but it seems having a twin was very special for me, too. Maybe I'll post about that PL on this forum later, when I know more about it. :)


Karoliina
Heya Karoliina! :)


When you feel it is the right time to, please feel free to express whatever you need in this field :)


I wish to "solennally" tell my° beloved twin bro that everything is forgiven. May he° rest in peace :)


I hope that I have the power to forgive in the name of my other-self who was his° bro - even though both twins died many years ago. :)


Kind regards,


Axel :)
 
You can always forgive yourself and others Axel, no matter which body you are currently inhabiting. It is all the same to the spirit. Bodies come and go like leaves on a tree. The spirit/soul/awareness is eternal.


One of the most beneficial things about doing this work, in my view, is not to dig up interesting historical facts and thrilling stories (although that is certainly fun) it is to integrate all these experiences deeply with our understanding now and find ways we can improve our selves; move our behaviour, thoughts and wishes ever 'higher' into the future.


Forgiveness of past hurts and healing of past sorrows is certainly an important part of this process.


Can you explain what you mean with this word: solennally?
 
Hi Tanguerra :)

tanguerra said:
You can always forgive yourself and others Axel, no matter which body you are currently inhabiting. It is all the same to the spirit. Bodies come and go like leaves on a tree. The spirit/soul/awareness is eternal.
One of the most beneficial things about doing this work, in my view, is not to dig up interesting historical facts and thrilling stories (although that is certainly fun) it is to integrate all these experiences deeply with our understanding now and find ways we can improve our selves; move our behaviour, thoughts and wishes ever 'higher' into the future.


Forgiveness of past hurts and healing of past sorrows is certainly an important part of this process.


Can you explain what you mean with this word: solennally?
Ooooppps sorry : angel


I meant "solemnly" ("solennellement", in french).


Thanks for your enlightening words, dear Tanguerra :thumbsup:


This encourages me to focus much more on "forgiveness" while exploring my PL-patterns :)


I feel it is a very important key in the whole process :)


Kind regards,


Axel :)
 
Ah so! Solemnly. I understand.


Yes, forgiveness is a wonderful thing. Sometimes you need to process the anger and the guilt first before you can find forgiveness in your heart (just as with a present life upset). This is why it is good to get as good an understanding as you can about what exactly happened (without getting distracted by too much detail). I am personally always less interested in buttons and so forth and more interested in the emotional impacts of things and how they relate to present day relationships and casting light on my various character flaws.


It can take a bit of time, and there is no need to rush through the process. However, knowing that ultimately we cannot really be harmed and we are all responsible for our own actions (not other peoples' actions) takes away a lot of the 'victim' mentality which can keep people from forgiveness and keep them trapped in bitterness, sadness and recrimination. In this way dealing with unhappiness from past lives is no different from how we conduct our present lives.


Knowing this and doing it can be two different things though, I understand. One takes a bit longer than the other sometimes. :)
 
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