Indian man to sue parents for giving birth to him

[fireflydancing]

I think a lot of us did question our birth one day or another. I did when I was young, my children did when they were young. This man in India wants to sue his parents because he argues that he hadn't given consent for his birth.

His parents are not offended. His father says he is proud that his son became an independent thinker. His mother: "Mum said she wished she had met me before I was born and that if she did, she definitely wouldn't have had me," he says laughing and adds that she does see reason in his argument.

As funny as it may sound, it still contains food for thought.

Do you believe in a masterplan that involved your consent before starting life? Do you think your presence on Earth is a coincidence? Do you think others (God, angels, guides) decided your return on Earth? Is this guy immature or a genius philosopher? Would you consider not having kids for this reason?

What do you think?

Read the article: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47154287

 

[baro-san]

The way I see it now, this is symptomatic for the times we live, people not taking responsibility, and blaming anybody (and everybody) else than themselves for their predicament. Also, not being ashamed about doing, and saying, pretty much anything.

The way I was seeing it when I was in my late teens, my parents brought me on this Earth, so they're responsible to make me happy (no kidding!).

If we reincarnate, it means that we're due to be reborn in some family, and that family has no responsibility toward us being born.

Some people believe that we choose the family we're born in. If so, the parents should be entitled to sue their kids for choosing to bring them grief.

If I were the judge, I'd fine the plaintiff and his lawyers for wasting the time and money of the court.

If I were a journalist (no chance of it), such a subject would be bellow my professional standards.

I've replied here to express an opinion about the state of our society, and not about that person.

 

[KenJ]

When I saw this article yesterday it made me think of the extremes between his claim and some abortion statements that are so opposing to one another. I agree with baro-san about how we, in the USA at least, seem to be moving which disgusts me. My eldest daughter pulled that on me once by stating "I didn't ask to be born!" which didn't go over very well with me.

 

[Galina]

Wow, hadn't heard about this before seeing it here. Personally, I would have thought this man's point of view was an interesting one, had he just considered the idea of not having asked to be born temporarily before getting on with his actual life in some way rather than taking it to court. He is alive now, and if he no longer wants to be, it's not very pleasant to say or think about, but he has options to make that happen independent of anything else his parents say or do.

Regarding whether I chose to be born, I think I did. I believe I have met my twin flame, and apparently we agreed to come back in this lifetime to complete the learning of our soul lessons and to eventually come into union following the separation in which we each take the time independently to face what needs facing about ourselves. Before becoming aware of twin flames and the fact that I am one, I too once questioned my birth and perhaps at some moments wished it had never taken place due to feelings experienced during periods of depression. Now, however, it's as if I have finally realised what it was all for. My parents didn't randomly and selfishly have a child; I chose to come back through them, and events way prior to even my parents' existence in their present lives all led to this lifetime of mine for a reason.

I have come to see that, even were I not a twin flame, blame is pointless because it never ends once it starts - if this man wants to sue his parents because of his birth, then why not blame them for even meeting and marrying? And what about their parents, and their parents' parents? Haven't they all contributed to his apparent dissatisfaction in some way, even though they were just going about their own lives? If you go down the road he is going down, you could drive yourself mad trying to find the ultimate source 'deserving' of blame, and honestly, as others have said, there are better uses for everyone's time and money and for the court time that his case is taking up. Just my opinion.

 

[Speedwell]

If we leave aside the legalistic side of this particular example, he is in his own way repeating a view which was a part of the beliefs held by groups such as the Cathars, who held, like others before them, that the imprisonment of the spirit within physical matter was in itself a terrible thing, and the aim was to free oneself of such bondage. Of course that's my paraphrasing it was problably expressed in different terms. At any rate, I don't think the man described at the start of this thread is just an isolated oddity, but is reflecting at least in part, a long tradition.

 

[CanSol]

I've seen this already on a news site and it's rediculous, if he doesn't want to live he's free to solve that problem
I was born officially dead, rescusitation was performed many times within my first few days, you'd think doctors know when to quit when you're out for 15 minutes....
Do I blame my parents for my birth? No
Do I blame each and every one that rescusitated me? You bet I do
Only through los medical records that nobody found to date and a waiver did I managed to do what I've always done, become a Soldier

But from the first rescusitation my life was basically ruined and had to fight and give up basically every pleasure a child normally gets in order to follow my known path throughout all my lives (physical therapy every day for 10 years, everything kids do was training for me because in my younger years I couldn't do half of what those my age did)
I'm getting a "no lifesaving procedures" declaration so nobody is allowed to do anything, if something happens or I get a lifethreatening infection, so be it
Wasn't meant to survive birth or later Afghanistan

 

[fireflydancing]

When I saw this article yesterday it made me think of the extremes between his claim and some abortion statements that are so opposing to one another. I agree with baro-san about how we, in the USA at least, seem to be moving which disgusts me. My eldest daughter pulled that on me once by stating "I didn't ask to be born!" which didn't go over very well with me.

I know, I was thinking about the abortion discussion as well. When you have a belief in reincarnation, this discussion is more relaxed because you can assume that a soul knows where he/she is going to (or not). It's not even sure an unwanted fetus is inhabited by a soul, because even with wanted pregnancies it is often recorded that souls entered the body just before birth.
It's a matter of belief system. Although I often wondered why radical pro-life people only want to exercise their power to deny women the control over their own bodies but don't do anything to change the circumstances that made these women decide for abortion. If you deny a woman that choice, you should help to change their social problems. You should help to improve childcare, fight poverty, help women to leave abusive relationships and so on.
If you believe a child didn't ask to be born, you should give each and every child the best life can offer to them. Not only your own offspring but all children because it was you who decided that abortion (a decision not lightly made by women) was forbidden.

Well, when you're on the other side of the spectrum, thinking that we do choose to be born and do choose our parents, there is no reason to neglect children either. That would be stupid. These souls came all the way down to you and there is no reason to disappoint them with abuse or neglect.

Back to the question about who is responsible for life? Like this Indian man, you can ask yourself why you have to suffer? He doesn't seem to take reincarnation as a belief system. But the same question remains if you do. Why do we come here (by our free will) only for suffering?
Why did we come here to a place with famine, warfare, betrayal, and pure greed? It's even worse if we did it with our free will.

 

[glia21]

When I saw this article yesterday it made me think of the extremes between his claim and some abortion statements that are so opposing to one another. I agree with baro-san about how we, in the USA at least, seem to be moving which disgusts me. My eldest daughter pulled that on me once by stating "I didn't ask to be born!" which didn't go over very well with me.

Ken, in my teens, at a time when life was really difficult for me - or perhaps most challenging ;-) - I told my mom she better should have let me die when I was a baby. I had a cows milk allergy back then that wasn't recognized for months. Never in my life I had thought it was my parents fault I was alive at all and none of my kids ever complained about being alive. That is really nonsense and surely shows how society goes crazy nowadays.