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Italy – Our Story Continues

Tehehehe No need to apologize, Archival! I greatly appreciate your interest and your willingness to help with the missing puzzle pieces. :D It can be a long difficult process finding accurate translations -- especially when you're just spelling them phonetically. I have zero knowledge of Italian in this life -- so I am grateful to anyone who posts suggestions or comments -- Thank You! ;)


And many thanks to Tanguerra and to Luca also for their interest and their help :D


Aili
 
HI Aili,


Thought I would share a little. ;) Archival, helping others with research is a fun way to participate. :D I recently had a dream: I was talking to a young man who was in Italy - they called him Pavio and I saw the name written on paper. In the dream I knew they called him that because he was from the Pavio area. I don't know how I knew that - but I did. I have never heard of Pavio. I mentioned it to a friend. I got busy with other things, she e-mailed me back with the following:

Out of curiosity I googled Pavio Italy. There is a Italian province called "Pavia" which is close. Pavio appears to be a fairly common male name as well as a fairly common surname. Also listed was a university called Pavio. The name Pavio certainly made some interesting results.
On another occasion, right before sleep I found myself in Italy as a young teen; about 12 or 13 years old. I was at the water pump pumping water with my sister. I heard someone call "Marcello!" I think he was a vineyard hand or one of our fathers helpers. It was awesome being back there - the smells, the countryside, the scarf in my hair. Silly little things - that felt like home.
 
Hi Deborah :D


Thanks for sharing about Pavio! Your friend certainly found out some interesting things about the name. Curious! ;)

Deborah said:
It was awesome being back there - the smells, the countryside, the scarf in my hair.
You and your scarves! :D It's funny to me -- that I can still see you with scarves in your hair as a young girl and then see you still with scarves in your hair -- as a much older woman, but from Alessandra's perspective.
The scarves made an impression on Lera's younger cousins -- In one memory I have Vittoria is playing "dress-up" and imitating Lera:

I am playing outside of the country house with my sister, Vita. She has spotted a pair of boots and put them on. She is clomping around, hunched over, pulling a dark piece of cloth over her head and she is imitating our cousin at first.
Deborah said:
Silly little things - that felt like home.
I love those silly little things. They are the most precious to me ;) I will share one of my favorite memories from Alessandra's life:

Lera’s doing something in her kitchen. Putting cooked tomatoes in jars? I walk over and look – and see the jars. I am curious and pick up one of the jars, half full. She says, “Careful, bambina,” and takes it from my hands. I drag a chair over to stand on – to watch her better. She smiles at me and says she has a little helper. She takes an old apron from a hook and puts it over my head. She gives me a big spoon and tells me to scoop some of the mixture from the big pot to the jars. I am very cautious – careful not to spill anything. She tells me “Not too full.” I feel myself grinning. I am excited to be helping – I cry out “Look Lera, look! I’m cooking!” She laughs out loud – and I look at her – and her eyes are sparkling. She keeps telling me “Good work.” I feel very proud.
Aili :)
 
Interesting update:


This afternoon I went to the Italian deli downstairs to pick up some gelato. I decided to ask the owners (who are from Italy) if the tesserina mia phrase meant anything.


A HUGE smile broke out over the woman's face -- and she said "OH! That's like saying 'my little treasure.'" And she wrote it down for me -- the actual spelling being "Tesorina mia." She said it's very similar to how we use "sweetheart."


Have you ever heard that, Luca? Anyone else?
 
WOW Aili - that is awesome and fits into the context for which you heard it. Wonderful validation! Way to go!
 
Ailish! Excellent! It must feel great and it gives me hope, as I am sure it does for many of us! Not only have you affirmed for yourself, but you have affirmed for the rest of us. Thank you! Please keep us updated on more as it comes ... :)
 
I did a meditation today and thought I would share. It was funny. Even if poor Nicoletta didn't think so at the time. ;) *S*S*S poor sis


Nicoletta and I were walking in a field. She was about five years old and I was ten. We were picking flowers for Mama's table. I had a handful and we were loading up a small cart full of them. They were very beautiful poppies, and a small variety of little field flowers. Nikia bent over to pick a bunch and was mumbling something to herself. She picked a flower and then let out this blood curdling scream - dropping them everywhere. Tears coming down her face- she was horrified!


I came running over --- it was a huge spider! I started laughing in the meditation...then and now and so much so that if any of you were there it would have been hysterical to see me laying on my bed laughing like crazy! Poor Nicoletta didn't think it was funny..she was so upset. I said something like baccela (spelling?)! Which felt like a big sister picking on her little sister big time.


There was a neighbors dog with us - he liked to hang out following us everywhere. The laughter erupted from the inside out...it was hilarious; sorry Aili it was so funny from my perspective as your older sister; to see your poor horrified face over a spider. ;) Tears just a streaming -...: angel :D :cool


The only Italian word that comes close to what I was saying was baccalà which according to the language translator means moron. :butbut: Any other insights for translation? Again Aili - I apologize for my juvenile ways - last life time that is. :laugh:
 
heh Aili...


I was checking out an Italian language site tonight and someone posted

A baccalà (apart from the dried cod sense) is also an idiot, a fool, although it is mainly used in a jocular sense, at least in my area.
:D
A little more playful than moron...I would hope.
 
What a great experience, Deborah -- wonderful validation with the Italian term! :D


ROTFLMAO-- But - but moron?! That's hilarious -- I can totally see it as you've described it. The baccala term -- just made me laugh harder -- how typical of a big sister. :laugh: :laugh:


When I first read it -- I was laughing so hard, because I think I'd have pretty much the same reaction in this life minus the tears -- I hate spiders -- when I see one I am running the other way. : angel


And you may have picked on me back then, but I got you back by being an annoying little pest -- always getting into your "stuff," so there. :tongue:
 
I thought I'd share a memory...that shows what a little pest I could be as Nicoletta...: angel Poor Lera couldn't even get out the front door without being shadowed. Ahhhh........the joys of pain-in-the-butt little sisters, huh? :D

I am following my sister – out the front gate, down the dirt road… She keeps telling me to go home. I tell her I want to go with her and she says “NO. I’m going to a party and no little kids will be there.” I tell her I’m not a little kid, I’m seven! I am begging her to go – not because I really care about the party, but I just want to be with my sister. Lera is getting mad at me. “Please, Lera, please! I’ll give you my blue beads!” I say as I grab her hand. I can feel the tears in my eyes when Lera pushes me away and says, “Go home and stop bothering me, Nicola.” My head is low. I turn and run from my sister. Mamma’s waiting at the gate. She says, “Don’t worry, picolina, your sister will feel guilty all afternoon and probably bring you something nice from the party.” I let Mamma wipe away my tears. She hands me a basket and tells me to go find Luca and get some apples for pie.
 
Poor Nicoletta, :( little sisters just want to go along. ;) It is interesting to me how much we remember of the little things, daily life. For me - that was my last life time before this one.


In meditation yesterday I had some interesting things come up that put a few more things into perspective. There was also a small validation...or shared experience that Ailish can point out if she wants too. ;) Here is an excerpt from my notes yesterday:

The images came fast a furious - it was hard to keep up. At the same time had a hard time settling down. It had been a busy past few days. It started with me braiding Nicoletta's hair, we were sitting on the bed talking and were getting ready to go to sleep. I pulled too hard a couple of times and she didn't like it. I told her I needed practice braiding and to hold still. I said something about bella...???
The scene jumped and we were younger, Nicoletta was 3 and I was eight years. I took you to her to the chicken coop to feed the chickens. She was throwing feed everywhere - I think to make sure they stayed away from her..


Then I was older...perhaps 12 - I was outdoors with her and I had her by both hands and was swinging in circles. Her feet were flying and I was going fast making us both dizzy.


Then I am older, seventeen...I hear mama in the kitchen crying, she is packing rolls and cheese and other foods. She and Papa are planning to leave with us to Australia..near granmama. This granmama is part Jewish..Mama is worried about her. They are talking of the fire we had seen in the distance that day - far off in the distance another city was bombed and was burning - I saw it too. The bombs dropped started the fire...the war was coming our way. Our parents wanted to leave. I was on the stairwell around the corner and they could not see me.. but i could hear them. I didn't want to leave...this was my home.


I heard Papa consoling mama over and over as he hugged her. They were scared.. pappa wanted to send the family first then he would follow later.. as you know - that didn't happen.


The next day the family all went to town, all except me. Our town was bombed next - and you all died.
Thanks for taking the time Ailish...I hope you share some of your experience sometime soon.
 
Thanks for sharing, Deborah! :D


I thought it was extremely interesting to note - that you remembered Mamma & Papa wanting to go to Australia. My memories of our final day - going into town together - well...we were all dressed up for a special occasion. I didn't know what that was at the time, but I do know that it was very important, especially to our parents, that we went together - the whole family. Papa was crushed that you didn't come - and that's when I came back to throw the locket on the table and give you the what-for : angel


I know I've written in my journal before - about hearing Mamma and Papa discussing the dangers of staying, but I think that was much earlier - before they'd started coming too close to our home. At that point - Papa didn't want to leave, even though others - friends, family, neighbors - were already leaving. That night - it was just Luca and I listening on the stairs. We didn't understand a lot of what was going on - no one talked in front of us, so we only got snippets here and there when we could "listen in."


It's fascinating to me - to see how our memories match - how they blend together as the lifetime unfolds. Hearing things from your perspective - gives me a deeper understanding of that time - our family - and even of my own experiences. ;)


Man, you are right on target about chickens – I’d do everything in my power to keep them away from me. They peck and cluck and run around….*shudder* There is no way you’d get me into a pen with a bunch of them!!!! :tongue:


I was in a couple of different lifetimes during yesterday’s meditation, but I will share a few things from Italy:

I was looking up into the sky - suddenly clouds appeared and I found myself in Italy in a field with Lera (as Alessandra). She was swinging me around - I was leaning back in her arms and giggling. She was telling me "You're heavy!" which made me laugh even more.
It’s interesting that we both saw you swinging me around – although you saw yourself swinging Nicoletta – and I experienced it as Alessandra…lololol Something you’d done with both of us - at times. ;)

Then I was back in Italy as Alessandra in the kitchen with Lera. I was small - perhaps 5 - and I was standing on a chair in front of a big black pot. She was helping me stir something - it was very hard to do alone -- and I was giggling my head off when she let me do it by myself - because I needed two hands to stir.
Then I was in Alessandra's hospital room. I was outside of her -- seeing her lying on the bed, asking Gianni if he'd sent the letter. She looked small -- and frail -- pale with dark circles under her eyes. Then I felt myself in the bed AS Alessandra -- and Gianni was telling me he had sent the letter. Then it flashed ahead - I was alone - and I was in a lot of pain -- I could feel every part of my body aching - like the pain was inside my bones. I had turned away from the door - and had the rosary clutched in my left hand - and something Lera had made for both Vita and I in my arms (sorry – cannot say what it was – another possible validation in the making ;) ). I was crying - but very quietly.


Then I had a flash of being in town -- being pinned under debris -- and seeing smoke. I had another flash – of just smoke wafting in the air.


Then I was Nicoletta -- only about 2, playing in the dirt where the garden is. I was pouring water into the dirt, making mud -- and covering myself with it. Luca and Lera were playing in the distance -- some sort of obstacle course game -- where they were running and chasing each other. I was very happy in the mud. Then Mamma was there - and she was calling "Valeria! You're supposed to be watching your sister!" Lera came over - and started laughing at me -- pointing and saying "She has mud up her nose!" Then Luca and Mamma started laughing too.
Then I came out of it -- laughing....:laugh: : angel :D
 
I thought I'd share a few more memories from my journal about Alessandra's lifetime:

It is a cool evening. I am sitting outside with Lera – in her lap. I am leaning my head back against her – she is talking softly, counting stars with me. Vita is leaning on Lera’s other side. There are lots here in the country. Suddenly I see a very bright one and point to the sky, excited. “Look, look!” I cry. Lera says, “It’s a very special star, bambina.” Lera takes my tiny hand in her big one and says, “ Look, me-de-see-mee.”
Then I am in the house, putting on my shoes. Gianni pops his head in and says, “Ready?” I jump up and run for the door and we start out for the road. Lera is coming from the barn. She says, “Where are you two going?” Gianni tells her that he’s taking me to town for a treat. Lera starts shaking her head and saying, “No. Not when I’m supposed to be watching her.” Gianni is a bit angry. He tells her, “Lera, I take Alessa into Venezia all the time and my parents never have a problem with it.” But Lera just says he can go – but I’m not allowed. I beg her, but she shakes her head and tells me we can work in the garden instead. I am mad at Lera. I want to go to town! Gianni says he will bring me something back and I watch him go. Lera holds out her hand to me and says “Come along, bambina.” I shake my head, cross my arms and stomp my foot and tell her “It’s not fair! You’re mean!!!!!” Then I am running toward the vista point.


We are all seated together in the hospital room – Boppa, Mamma, Gianni, Vita and me. Gemma is there, too, hovering in the corner of the room. Mamma is seated far across the room with her arm around Vita. They are talking about my sickness – leukemia. They are trying to explain it to Vita – Mamma keeps telling her “It’s bad blood that caused it.” Vita asks if she will catch it, too. Mamma tells her, “Of course not, cara mia. You have good blood, just like me.”


I hear Boppa and Mamma talking in the hall outside my room. Mamma is telling him in a very angry voice that “That child is not my responsibility.” I feel tears on my face. Then I hear Gianni’s voice – he is telling off Mamma! He is telling her she is selfish. Mamma sounds indignant when she tells him to “Keep out of things you doesn’t understand.” He says, “I understand my little sister is dying and her mother isn’t with her.” Then Gianni is in my room – he asks if I heard and I nod. I tell him I don’t understand why Mamma doesn’t love me like Vita. He tells me that it’s complicated grown-up stuff.


I am sitting with Gianni. We are playing a game like checkers – but with gumdrops he has smuggled into the hospital. I tell him I want to go to the vineyard. He says, “Maybe soon.” I ask him if he mailed my letter and drawing to Lera – and he says, “I told you I did.” I ask him, “When will she come, Gianni?” He says he doesn’t know.
 
I just finished up a job with an Italian guy from the northern part of Italy whose accent was soft on the consonants, hard for most of us to understand when he was speaking English, and his Italian was pretty much scrunched without consonants.


So when he would get nervous and and say estrema attenzione, or be careful, it came out pretty much the way you wrote it. All run together.


enyeo
 
Thanks, enyeo ;)


A few more memories to share:

From Nicoletta's life


I was running up the stairs in our house in Italy. I was about 7 years old. I ran into the bedroom. Lera was sitting on the bed reading a book. I was pestering her to come out and play with me. She kept telling me to go away. I grabbed her book - but she was faster and grabbed it back and gave me a little push. She rolled her eyes at me and told me to "Go climb a tree or something." I stood in front of her with my arms crossed, stomping my feet, whining that I wanted her to play.


I saw myself in the bedroom with Lera - we were packing our clothes. We had one "trunk" between us and we were arguing over who got more space. Every time one of us turned around to get something - we would remove something belonging to the other person. It was not going well.


Then I was sitting on the ground cross-legged facing Lera. She was teaching me a hand-clapping song. I was small - about 5, and she was being very patient with me as I wasn't very co-ordinated and kept missing the proper moves. Then Mamma was calling to us that is was time for dinner. We stood up and dusted ourselves off and walked toward the house. We were giggling as we walked.


From Alessandra's life


I was in the hospital in Venice. I focused on the window in the hospital room. I could feel the rosary in my hand, felt it slip up my arm (I had it looped over my hand). I noticed it was cloudy outside the window, and I heard myself asking again, "Gianni, when's Lera coming?"


I was at the tree by the graves. I was about 4. Lera came saying everyone was looking for me. I heard an airplane - and I looked up to see a plane fly over - it looked green in color. I pointed to it. Lera got upset and picked me up - she started almost running toward the house. I was scared - and started to cry.


I found myself in my house in Venice. It was just a very brief flash of playing in my bedroom - with a huge wooden dollhouse. The small dolls in my hands were also carved from wood. The clothes were painted on them.


I was in my house in Venice and I was playing with a red kaleidoscope. Lera was there - and I showed it to her. She looked into it and said it was very pretty -- but then she took it away from me because it had a German name. She called to Boppa and told him it was made in Germany. Boppa said he didn't know. I felt very confused.
 
Hi Aili,


Your experiences are always so vivid and detailed. :D You really should write a book. ;) Thank you for being willing to share. I find your accounts fascinating - especially since you remember Lera as a child and your sister; and then again as your cousin. Same family reincarnation - and so detailed! :) I am not sure I have ever heard of someone with such recall and validations AND with the link to same family reincarnation. Anyone else every read a story like hers?


You go girl! :thumbsup: headbang.gif headbang.gif headbang.gif
 
Thank you for your comments, Deborah. :D


It fascinates me to see Lera from both perspectives – so many years apart. It’s also interesting to me -- to see how Nicoletta’s death affected Alessandra – and in turn how some of Alessandra’s fears were carried over into my present life. I love that I have you to share my thoughts and feelings with about Italy - and that you understand exactly what I mean ;) You're a gift in this life - and it's been a huge blessing to re-connect with you now - and remember then.


It’s a bit disconcerting at times, trying to explain to others “this is a memory from Alessandra’s time” or “this is from Nicoletta’s life.” I think it can be a bit hard for others to follow, but it’s easy for me in the moment.


There are a lot of things I haven’t shared from those lives, and quite a few good validations I’ve recorded. Perhaps I’ll pull a few out on a rainy day ;)


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I did a meditation tonight and several things from different lifetimes came up - but I thought I'd share the ones pertaining to Italy - both from Alessandra's life.

I am playing near the garden and I see Lera working. I am telling her to listen to me! I am proud of myself - saying English words as I point at things - ball, grass, tree, sky, tomato. She asks me where I learned those words and I tell her from our teacher - for when we move to America. Lera seems upset. She tells me to stay outside and goes into the house - I follow her anyway. I hear her arguing with my Boppa saying, "pro-meh-so!" She is really angry. I go closer - just inside the door so I can hear better. I can't hear what Boppa's saying - but his tone is low - calm. Lera is shouting "lash-erro pren-derra la mia bambina!"
Then I am about 4 - I am wearing a light white nightgown with a blue ribbon on it. I have a book in my hands - it's heavy and I need both hands to carry it. I walk to Lera and ask her to read "Bella Bianca". Mamma interjects that the nanny will do it, but Lera says it's okay and I climb on her lap. Then Vita stomps over and says she wants "Achee-oh-lotto."
If anyone has an interpretation or idea what those words/phrases could possibly mean, I'd appreciate the help!


Aili :D
 
Thank you for sharing your latest memory, Aili; it's so fascinating when you remember actual words in the language you spoke in your past life! As to what they mean, here's a rough guess to what they mean:


"pro-meh-so!" - could it be "promesso" ("promised")?


"lash-erro pren-derra la mia bambina!" - "lacero" - "I tear"? or "lascerò" - "I will leave/let", "prenderà" - "he, she, it will take/bring" "la mia bambina" - "my child"?


Just my 2 cents; I'm sure someone who actually does speak Italian could help more! ;)
 
Thank you for sharing, Aili ! I always love to hear more stories and details about your and Deborah's lives in Italy. I reread some posts in this thread, and it keeps filling my heart with joy that Deborah and you met again in the present life. It is so comforting to know that our loved ones never stay out of reach !


If I remember correctly, in another (early(?)) thread about this life, Deborah mentioned recognizing other people from that life in her present life. So I was wondering....do you also recognize people from then, now? Do you feel any connection to the present life people Deborah recognized from back then? Do you recognize others?


Although life might have been hard back then, with the war and everything, in your posts I can see the family love shine through the most. :) Simply wonderful !


Eevee
 
Hi Reynardine,


Thanks so much for help translating the words! :D Sometimes it’s hard to make sense of. I hate that I have to spell everything phonetically – and am glad when it actually makes sense. Based on some of my other memories – these translations do make sense to me, personally – so thank you!!!


Hi Eevee,


I am so glad you enjoy reading the memories. They’re fun to share – even the hard ones. ;) The first war during Nicoletta’s life was much more difficult and affected her more than Alessandra’s experience in the second war. Venice was not bombed during WWII – and Alessandra was an infant/toddler for most of it, so she was pretty oblivious to what was going on.


I do not recognize anyone significant from Italy, other than Deborah. The rest of the family…I have no clue who they are now. Deborah’s ex-husband was the German pilot she hid in the barn as a teenager, and I have never met him, so I could not say if there was any familiarity there. Not that there would be much recognition for me – Nicoletta had very little to do with him – as far as I know, she only saw him from a distance with her sister. ;)


I had another interesting experience at the hospital last night that I thought I would share. I was resting, waiting for a doctor to see me. I closed my eyes – and I was concentrating on breathing. I was aware of the sounds of the hospital around me – and then suddenly I was in Italy. This is what I wrote down:

I am in a semi-darkened room. I see myself covered on some sort of bed with a thin sheet that is up to my armpits and folded back. There are candles lit on a small table beside me with a basin of water and some cloths. I see my parents. Boppa is holding my pretty white dress – my communion dress. He puts it over a chair and puts a bag on the floor next to it. I wonder if I am going to wake up and go to church again. They are talking to a tall, heavyset man with a funny little hat. He leaves the room. Mamma is tapping her feet. Boppa has his head bowed. Then I see Lera! She is coming into the room. She is dressed in a very thin, plain black dress, black coat and black head covering. She looks unsteady – Boppa reaches out for her arm and supports her. He walks her to the bed. Lera just stands there and stares. I am trying to call to her – here I am! I see Lera reach her hand out to Mamma, but Mamma just walks out of the room. Boppa hugs Lera and points at the dress. He walks out, shutting the door.
I see Lera holding the dress to her and crying. I watch her sob – as she takes some small glass vials/containers/jars from a bag and adds them to the water – along with some rose petals. I watch her – she is mouthing words – perhaps praying - as she washes the body on the bed. I watch her carefully dress the body – tights, petticoat, dress…shoes – all white. She adjusts my necklace – a tiny gold cross. She places my body back on the table – kissing my forehead, touching my cheeks, saying “ti-a-moh-con-too-toh-eel-kwa-ray." I see her slip to the ground, sobbing. I am calling her – trying to reach out for her. Then I see Gianni come in and go to Lera and hug her. He helps her into a chair. She is holding her head in her hands.
Aili
 
I’ve been cruising around Google Land this morning found an interesting validation:

It also used to be customary for mourners to dress the body. Although this is much less common today, it does occur. Many parents whose infants have died have found solace in dressing their dead child for the burial.
And within traditional Judaism, there is a special group called the Hevra Kadisha whose function is to prepare the body for burial. Rabbi Geller explains, "The notion of a mortuary that you just send the body to is not an essential part of Jewish tradition. You would volunteer to be a member of the Hevra Kadisha society, and
your job would be to wash the body of dead people in a ritualized way.


The body is covered so that only the part that’s being washed is uncovered. It’s very respectful of the body. I read an article in a magazine called Lilith by a nontraditional woman who joined the Hevra Kadisha of her nontraditional synagogue, and she talks about what an incredibly important experience and privilege it is to prepare a body to be buried."


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/publications/infores/grieve/aviii.htm
I thought it was fascinating to note – especially the ties to Judaism. Alessa’s body was covered – as it explains above.


There are a lot of parts of Italy - that include Jewish memories. Lera had hidden Jewish people during WWII. Deborah felt that someone we were related to was married to a Jewish woman. In my life directly after Alessa’s – I was born to a Jewish mother and Italian father – in America. As Alessa - my family was trying to get their papers to move to America permanently – when I became ill and died.


I’d like to find out more about what was used in the washing of the body. Lera had come prepared – and it took her some time to organize and add things to the basin of water.


Another validation I stumbled across was in regards to the cards I saw during Alessandra’s funeral, which was from the thread Triggers and shared memories, which detail Deborah’s and my most recent shared meditation experiences.

Ailish said:
Then I am at my (Alessandra’s) funeral. I am standing – looking at myself in the casket. I’m not scared – but fascinated. I see the pretty white dress, the long ringlets over my shoulders. I see the way my hands are folded across my chest – the rosary neatly folded over the top of my small hand. I turn and notice people have small cards in their hands. I can hear people crying in the background. I turn back to the casket and I see my brother, Gianni, as he tucks my special cloth doll in beside me when he thinks no one is looking.
A custom practiced by the Catholic Italians is to have a card printed in the memory of the deceased. It looked like a small greeting card. The front had a picture of Jesus and the back a picture of the Virgin Mary. Inside was printed his name and years from birth to death on one side, and on the other, was a prayer in memory of him. These cards are sent out to close friends and people who make donations in honor of the deceased. Maria remembers them being handed out during the viewing of her Grandfather rather than being sent. The cards are extremely important culturally.
http://www.indiana.edu/~famlygrf/culture/esirman.html
Italy is quite superstitious, and I have some wonderful validations regarding their superstitions – which I will share another time. In my travels looking for things relating to body burial customs - I came across something that validates the Italian belief in spirit communication after death. I reminded me of Deborah's experience of seeing Alessandra’s spirit – and her awareness.

Deborah said:
The strange thing was that in the meditation I could feel her spirit with me - she was not "in" the casket, but in front of me. I could see her spirit. I didn't know what to do or say and I felt alone - there was no one to talk too. :'( It was very strange for me - to be aware that she was my sister who had died and come back as my niece. Even stranger -- she was there in spirit with me - even after death.
One aspect of Italian culture I found very interesting was the total acceptance of visions, dreams, visits, and conversations with the dead. When the Grandfather of Maria's friend died, the friend felt "the breath" of his Grandfather although he was not with him at that time. He knew from that experience that his Grandfather was either sick or dead. The friend was considered very blessed to have been visited by his Grandfather.
http://www.indiana.edu/~famlygrf/culture/esirman.html
Some neat things to ponder over - and definitely a lot more to research ;)


Aili
 
Hi Aili,


I didn't realize that the customs you described were not familiar to you in the present life....because all those things still are common here.


When my mother died, she was also dressed in her favorite dress, and a rosary was folded between her fingers. When my father died, he also was buried in his best suit, with tie and all.


Also the remembrance cards are still a common practice here. They are handed out in church when people go to the 'offering' as we call it. The priest stands in the front and people line up, they pass the (closed) coffin first and greet it, and then kiss a golden plate that the priest is holding, when slightly bowing their knees. After that they put a little amount of money in a basket that stands next to the priest. And next to that stands one of the undertakers, who hands out a remembrance card to every person. Nowadays, mostly there is a picture of the deseased on the card, but on the old cards it usually was a picture of Jesus or Mary (most often Jesus on the cross, or carrying his cross), and on the inside is on the left the name of the deceased and his or her date of birth and death, a mentioning of any clubs or so that he/she was member of, or when they had an important position in a company, that can also be printed there.


On the right side is then usually a small poem, or prayer, or personal message from a family member. It can be composed both ways; sometimes it starts :Dear Father (Mother), you are not with us anymore now, but ...etc etc. Or it can be like : Dear family members and friends, I am no longer with you in the flesh, but...etc etc.


I still have many of such remembrance cards, I even have one of King Albert I of Belgium (a collectors item :D ! )


Eevee
 
Ailish said:
Hi Reynardine,
Thanks so much for help translating the words! :D Sometimes it’s hard to make sense of. I hate that I have to spell everything phonetically – and am glad when it actually makes sense. Based on some of my other memories – these translations do make sense to me, personally – so thank you!!!
You're welcome, Ailish, glad I could help you a little!
 
How amazing again, Aili! :thumbsup:


If I can find the time later, I'll try to help you with the translations.


I know Catholics wash the dead bodies of their loved ones, too, but I have no more detailed information of this practice. But you're right, it's definitely interesting how Judaism seems to be tied to your Italian PL's in one way or another. Makes one wonder.


Karoliina
 
Hi Eevee,

I didn't realize that the customs you described were not familiar to you in the present life....because all those things still are common here.
Not at all! I do have memories from a different life a very long time ago – about adults preparing a body. But it was in the living room area of the cabin we lived in – and the body was taken directly outside. This was – waaay before funeral parlors.


I thought that since the advent of funeral homes – they just handled everything.


It is customary here – to just send a body to the funeral parlor/mortuary after death. Usually they pick it up from the hospital morgue. They prepare the body – family members usually drop off clothes etc. to the funeral director. Family members have nothing to do with the deceased that I am aware of.


I have only ever been to two funerals in this life, for a friend of mine killed in a car accident in high school, and for my biological grandfather, whom I never really knew. Both were low-key, basically a prayer over a closed casket, followed by interment at the cemetery. Neither were Catholic – and I am not, either, so I am unfamiliar with any of their rituals or customs.


My grandmother, great-grandmother, great-grandfather and step-grandfather did not have a funeral or any sort of service. They were all cremated – and the arrangements were made prior to their deaths. My step-grandfather died not too long ago from cancer – and he was removed from the house by the coroner and taken to the funeral home.


This last little experience kind of took me by surprise. ;)


Hi K!!!!!!!


I would love any help you can give with translations! :D Any and all thoughts are welcome. ;)


Aili
 
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