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Jasmine And Her 'Camel'

Allow me to chime in with the others, Angelcat - this really is a cute picture with some very telling details (such as the spars between the upper and lower wing, that's how they looked in Sopwith Camels). Hardly something a small child would make up!
 
Hi Angelcat,


Do you have access to the internet at the nursery? I was thinking maybe you could download a picture of the Camel, either on it's own, or along with some other planes, then print them off and show them to Jasmine, see if she points to the Camel, or observe her reaction. Maybe you could do the same thing with the zeppelin, or the village in Ireland that she mentioned?


I realize that you may be reluctant to push all of this too far as Jasmine is only a child in your care, and her mother doesn't believe in reincarnation, but it's just a suggestion. I thought it would be interesting to see how she reacts.
 
Clivia said:
Thank you Angelcat :)
that's a remarkable picture of a three year old ! - wow


Clivia
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Yes, Jasmine is very good at drawing and painting and it is something she very much enjoys. Her father teaches art at local evening classes for adults and belongs to the local art club, so I think she gets plenty of encouragement and practice at home. The nursery she attends places considerable emphasis on creative activities and Jasmine also exhibits a talent with materials such as dough, plasticine and clay.

Reynardine said:
this really is a cute picture with some very telling details (such as the spars between the upper and lower wing, that's how they looked in Sopwith Camels). Hardly something a small child would make up!
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I know! When I first saw her draw one, I was in no doubt that it was a bi-plane even though I knew nothing about them. Every time she draws anything she tries very hard to get the details right. She will screw up pictures that she thinks are not good and start again. The one I posted here is the one she is most proud of and calls, "My best one." She now has it at home on her bedroom wall and gave me permission to copy it before she took it home.

ChrisR said:
I was thinking maybe you could download a picture of the Camel, either on it's own, or along with some other planes, then print them off and show them to Jasmine, see if she points to the Camel, or observe her reaction. Maybe you could do the same thing with the zeppelin, or the village in Ireland that she mentioned?
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I have done this, Chris. I printed off a photo of a Sopwith Camel and showed it to her a while ago. She was delighted and asked to keep it. There was little doubt in my mind, at the time, that she recognised it or at least this type of plane.


I will show her some other planes, maybe from WWII and the present day, to see if she shows the same interest in them - thanks for the suggestion.


I have also shown her an old black and white photo of a zeppelin and her face fell. She seems to associate them with her pictures of broken houses. This makes perfect sense because from what I have read the Germans sent them on dark, moonless nights across the English Channel from bases in Belgium. When they were close to the coast, they cut the engines so that they floated silently inland to drop their bombs on London. Over 500 innocent civilians were killed as they slept in their beds. Fortunately, being largely a giant gas bag, zeppelins proved easy to destroy and the Germans stopped making them.


Have a nice weekend everybody.


Angelcat :)
 
I have been meaning to update this thread for ages but just haven't had time until now. I also like to research things thoroughly which also takes up a lot of time. Anyhow, I have been keeping notes of anything new Jasmine has said and hope you will find this update of interest.


Over the past year, on suitable occasions, I asked her again what her name was when she had her Camel plane and she finally gave me a first name only. She did not seem to remember what her surname had been. It is worth mentioning that the name she came up with is very rare today and therefore less likely to be a name she had simply heard somewhere. My exhaustive research suggests that a certain British WW1 pilot with that first name, who flew a Sopwith Camel and was shot down over woodland, might be a possibility. I have decided not to mention his name here partly to protect the privacy of any family of his and partly because I cannot be sure that he is connected with Jasmine's past.


You will recall that Jasmine could sing some of "It's A Long Way To Tipperary". Well, back just before Christmas, she spent the day with me while her mum and grandma went Christmas shopping. I took her to a website I had found earlier that features old WW1 songs. I was interested to see whether she recognized any others apart from A Long Way To Tipperary....she did, especially a song called Goodbye-ee, which she tryed to sing along with several times. She also showed a marked emotional reaction to Keep The Home Fires Burning and told me she didn't want to hear that one. I asked if that one made her feel sad. She said, "Yes, it makes me feel wobbly." Here is a link to the site that has these songs if you wish to hear them yourselves:


http://www.ww1photos.com/WW1MusicIndex.html


scroll down and click on Keep The Home Fires Burning and Goodbye-ee sung by Courtland & Jeffries.


Last summer, we took the children on a trip to the seaside and on the coach on the way home, Jasmine was sitting next to me, cuddled under my arm, half asleep. All of a sudden, one of the boys noticed a light plane heading for a small local airport and shouted, "Look, an aeroplane!" With her eyes still closed, Jasmine said, "Let's hope it's not a Gotha." Unfortunately, one of the other staff, who was sitting immediately behind us, heard her and asked, "Let's hope it's not a...what?" I told her that Jasmine had said "Gotha" and that it was the name of an old German wartime plane. She commented, "That child does say some odd things." Knowing Jasmine had heard this, I bent down close to her ear and whispered, "You don't say odd things, sweetheart. You just talk about things you remember, don't you?" She nodded. I also assured her that the plane was not a Gotha and that we were all safe. I also whispered that she only needed to remember happy things now and that she could leave all the sad and scarry things behind and forget them.


Since then, Jasmine has only drawn a biplane once and no further 'broken houses' or 'gas bimp' pictures. Her mother told me some time ago that her nightmares had stopped as well. I see this as evidence that she is indeed leaving sad memories behind and becoming more focused on her present life. She appears a very happy little girl who is currently looking forward to the birth of a sibling.


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However, more recently, Jasmine's mother said, "I know you talk with Jasmine about these stories she makes up about flying a plane and *bombs landing on people's houses. Has she ever mentioned or have you ever talked to her about or shown her pictures of a mangle?" I asked her if she meant an old fashioned clothes wringer and she nodded. I said no and asked her why. "Well, last week, the washing machine broke down...it wouldn't spin the clothes, I was waiting for the repair man to arrive and Jasmine suggested that I should get a mangle. I told Jasmine that I had no idea what she was talking about. Later, she drew me a picture of one so that I would know what kind to buy! When I told my own mother, she said she remembered that her mother had one when she was a small child and explained to me what is was. What I can't understand is how Jasmine has apparently seen one and knows what it is called. It doesn't make any sense." Because I know Jasmine's mum worries about what she considers to be the strange things her daughter sometimes comes out with and won't consider the possibility that she has recall of things from an earlier lifetime, I thought quickly and suggested that Jasmine had seen a mangle at a local museum that we (the staff at the nursery school she attends) had taken the children to visit a few months earlier. She was noticeably relieved! A few days later, I talked to Jasmine about the matter and asked her to draw me a mangle. See below her picture (my first thought was that it looked like a cherry-topped cake on legs accompanied by a hotcross bun!) Jasmine gave me permission to show it to my friends.After some searching on the internet, I found the photo below of an old mangle on legs that seemed to be the closest one to her picture and which Jasmine got excited about when she saw it. Bless her, she also suggested to me that we might buy one from Marks & Spencer! She was disappointed when I told that no one makes them anymore. By he way, mangles, also called wringers, were invented in 1880 and were widely used by housewives until the spin dryer arrived on the scene.Re *"bombs landing on people's houses" mentioned by Jasmine's mother, I found this interesting because Jasmine had never said this to me. If you look back an earlier post of mine on this thread, you will see that when she drew the 'broken houses' picture she told me that the houses were broken because the sky fell on them. Perhaps at the time, she didn't know how else to describe bombs being dropped from above. It is also worth mentioning that a number of large bombing raids on England were carried out in 1917 by Gotha planes. If I have anything new to share in the future, I promise I will try not to leave it so long again before giving an update. hug3.gif to everyoneAngelcat :)

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Thanks for the update Angelcat :thumbsup:


I enjoyed looking through this thread again, and the picture that Jasmine drew was very interesting, it clearly matches the accompanying photo.


Anyway, I'm glad that she's happy and not being bothered by those memories at all, please do keep us updated if she says any more.


Chris :)
 
Thank you for the update and sharing the photos! I'm glad she's doing better now. I too work with children, so I always keep an ear out for something that would suggest a past life.
 
Wow, what an amazing thread! And what an amazing artist Jasmine is. That is definitely a Sopwith Camel and a mangle she drew. I'm glad you're encouraging her to draw these kinds of things, not only is it fascinating but I'm sure it also helps her to integrate and get validation for these memories.
 
Thank you Angelcat for bringing us Jasmine's story and updating it as she grows! As soon as I read "Camel" and Plane in the same sentence knew it was a Sopwith Camel from Charlie Brown cartoon drawings! Snoopy sits on his doghouse pretending it's his WWI Sopwith Camel and he's wearing his WWI Ace helmet, scarf and goggles. :)


here (Deborah edited "here".)


I don't know how to hide the addy and use a word like "Here" so if someone knows and wants to help me --jump in! Otherwise, just click on the addy given. Keep the updates coming! :thumbsup:


~Zengirl
 
I've found Jasmine's story really fascinating and it certainly sounds like a past life to me. Thank goodness there was someone like you around to take note of the things she says/draws, otherwise it would probably have all been "brushed under the carpet" by people and ignored/put down to a child's imagination. Are you going to do any more research into the World War I fighter you found, or can you not really take that any further at the moment? Please keep us all updated on any new developments!:thumbsup:
 
Angelcat,


PM me I'll try to assist you with research. I have read Carol's book but was not aware of this forum until yesterday, due to someone talking about James Leininger on another, totally unrelated, forum.


I have been reading the children's past life threads on here with interest since last night. When I got to your thread title I thought 'I bet is not THAT sort of Camel.' I was stunned to find it was, and also that Jasmine's recall is so astonishing.


I used to write for 'Cross and Cockade' a WW1 Aviation journal. I was able to find out who someone who had a past life as a Camel pilot was back then once before. But he was an adult and was able to give me a more info than what Jasmine has given you to date. He had had a very nasty spontaneous flashback to his death at that time. The circumstances were so relatively unusual that it was possible to trace. I was only able to find 2 Camel pilots who had died in such a way, I sent for the records of both of them and this man now, when he was in his twenties, looked very like the man who had been killed in the way he described in his flash back.


I am blown away by the Gotha and the blimp, also the mangle. (By the way you can still buy them.)


It is such a shame that her mother is not 'on board'. I had childhood WW1 past life memory too, as a German, which put me in conflict with my parents, who both served, against the Germans, in WW2. My interests were unpopular and I was once told by my mother to stop going on about Germans as she and my father hated them. I said 'I am not a German I am a Prussian.' She said 'That is even WORSE.' I never said anything again. I remember how shocked I was by her response, I was about 6. I never forgot my past life. I worked as a commercial pilot in this life until fairly recently.


I have a wind up horn gramophone with all the old records, I wish I could play them for Jasmine. :) I incline to wonder if she knows all the alternative words the Royal Flying Corp had for a lot of them.


It sounds as if she must have been in London re the airship and Gotha raids. It is interesting that she likes 'Tipperary' where the theme is about an Irishman in London.


She sounds a remarkable little girl.
 
Angelcat,


I was listening to my gramophone. 'Keep the Home Fires Burning' makes me 'wobbly' too.


The RFC words to the chorus were:


Keep the 2c's turning.


See the wind socks squirming,


RAF has chugged its insides out


All on its bleedin' own.


Can't you hear it grinding?


Who the hell's a pining?


Can't you hear the fabric rip,


With a sad, sad moan?


The BE2c was a particularly elderly and helpless form of 2 seater observation plane. It was used well past its sell by date and shot down in droves, it stood no hope against any German fighter. The 'RAF' refers to its engine type, which sounds pretty poor.


It is the sort of song that makes you feel 'wobbly' anyway. But if you know those words it makes you feel all the worse. I can recall crying in my room to that song in the War. I could speak English, I had English relatives, as a lot of upper class Germans did. I also knew the BE2c words. Attacking that sort of feeble thing made you feel like a murderer. But since they were used to spot for the artillery, however pathetic they were, they had to go.


Taking one of those on with a fighter was like drowning a kitten. It was not exactly honourable.
 
Welcome to the forum Maxine :)


Angelcat hasn't been here for a little while, but hopefully she'll drop by sometime soon and see your contribution.


I hope you'll feel comfortable enough to share some of your own past life experiences with us, you won't get the same reaction as you did from your parents ;)


Chris
 
Hi Maxine and welcome! I'd love to hear your memories if you'd like to share. You're definitely not alone and we all understand and respect others' memories.
 
Thank you Chris and Alaskanlaughter. I am really enjoying reading the forum. It has been sometime since I thought about my past life, but reading about Jasmine brought it all back.


I found out about your forum after an item about James Leiniger was posted on a forum I read all the time. A financial forum, with a lot of otherwise intelligent people on it. The amount of fear the topic of reincarnation engenders is quite remarkable. They are all arguing on there about whether James is possessed and also about heresy. Incredible!


I gave my mother Carol's 'Childrens' Past Lives' book to read back when it was first published. She had it on her night table and her cleaning lady, a 7th Day Adventist, saw it and said to my mother 'You don't belief in that do you? It is the Devil who puts those ideas into childrens' heads.' My mother certainly did not believe that, though she remains very uncomfortable with the whole idea of reincarnation. Though I think if I had had an Allied past life, rather than a German one, she might be less uncomfortable. Lol!


I will post about my own experiences on another thread at some point. I don't want to hijack Angelcats thread here.
 
Hi Folks,


Many thanks to everyone who has responded to this thread recently.


Thank you, Zengirl for mentioning the Charlie Brown cartoons. I hadn't realised before that Snoopy had a Sopwith Camel. However, I do remember the cartoons being in a UK newspaper back in the seventies.


Hi Maulacat, I think I have researched the pilot that Jasmine may have been as much as I can. I know he went to a private school and where he was born. I found a photo of him and he was a handsome young fellow. (I showed Jasmine the picture of him but there was no obvious response. She just said she was hungry and wanted her lunch.) He is regarded as an Ace having shot down a number of German planes during his short career. He was awarded the DFC. His Sopwith Camel took a direct hit from a flak shell.


One thing I did find out just recently is that Zeppelins had an exhaust that was blue and yellow. There is no way Jasmine could have known this when she drew her 'gas bimp' pictures at the nursery. All old film and photos of Zeppelins are inevitably in black and white or sepia. She must, therefore, remember seeing one in flight.


Welcome to the Forum, Maxine.

Maxine said:
I have a wind up horn gramophone with all the old records, I wish I could play them for Jasmine. :) I incline to wonder if she knows all the alternative words the Royal Flying Corp had for a lot of them.
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Not as far as I know, but she definately recognized some of the tunes.

Maxine said:
It sounds as if she must have been in London re the airship and Gotha raids. It is interesting that she likes 'Tipperary' where the theme is about an Irishman in London.
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If she was the young airman I think she might have been, then she was born into a middle class family who lived not far from London. I think this may also connect with her memory of 'broken houses'.

Maxine said:
She sounds a remarkable little girl.
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She has a high IQ, and has marked academic and artistic ability. She is very confident and makes friends easily. She is also very affectionate and sweet. I too, think she is remarkable, not least because of her clear memories of the past. I am very fond of her and feel very protective toward her.


You said in your PM to me: "I was going to say to you. Jasmine's memory is faulty in one respect. The only information she is 'allowed' to give you, by her past life standards, is actually 'Name, rank and serial number'. She has mixed it up that it is NOT what she is 'allowed' to tell, it is in fact ALL she is 'allowed' the say. You might want to ask her. Just try to do it without coming across as a Prussian officer!"


I find it interesting that Jasmine may be muddled about his one. It would not be unusual if she had got something wrong, because people's past life memories are not always 100% accurate. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this applies to military personnel being taken POW. Not impossible for a WW1 airman, but unlikey if he was shot down; those little planes caught fire easily and shattered when they hit the ground. In Jasmine's case, I think she just has a strong memory of a very valid mistrust of speaking to anyone about anything to do with her role as a wartime pilot. I once asked her if there were any guns on her Camel plane, to which she replied, "Mind your own business, please." A while back, I found a reference to the fact that there were spies working for the enemy during the Great War who attempted to obtain information from military personnel. Also, in WW2 there was a poster campaign with the slogan, Careless Talk Costs Lives to caution the public about loose talk to strangers which might provide information to enemy sympathizers. In short, during wartime, everyone is rightly reticent about talking to anyone they don't know well and I think that cautious attitude has stayed with Jasmine. She is more trusting of me these days because she regards me now as her friend.


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Update: Very recently, I had an interesting conversation with Jasmine's grandma, who I will call Susan (not her real name) and to my delight she seems to be more open to the concept of past lives. At the very least she thinks there has to be some explanation for the things Jasmine has talked about. Susan mentioned that Jasmine had had one of her night terrors on an occasion that she was baby sitting her and that she had definately yelled out "B*stard!" This had stunned her because the family do not use such words. I think now this might be what her parents heard as "Dard!", although that word may be something different.


I mentioned to Susan that Jasmine's mother had told me that on one occasion when Jasmine awoke following these nighmares that she had asked to go home to a place that sounded like shanaganny. Susan said that she believed Jasmine had asked to go home more than once during the night but had never been specific about where 'home' was. She thought about the word shanaganny for a moment and then said that Jasmine often asks to see Sheila and Gunny. Sheila is a family friend and Gunny is a cockatoo who talks and dances (Jasmine has drawn him). Jasmine is very fond of them both and fascinated by Gunny. I think this may explain what her mother thought was shanaganny some time ago. (Susan said her daughter tends to be very dopey during the night and probably misunderstood what Jasmine was saying.)


Just on the matter of past lives, Susan mentioned that she had a neighbour many years ago whose daughter, from the age of about two, repeatedly gave an account of being a circus trainer who was mauled to death by tigers. Susan was present one day when the child claimed she hit the tigers with a stick to make them jump from one chair to another and that when they bit her she went all stiff. (Paralized with fright? Shock?) Her parents felt that it was just a bad dream she had had and innocently thought to be reality. However, I agreed with Susan that it would be unlikely for a child as young as two to dream of something she had no knowledge of. She could, at that age, have seen something about circuses and tigers on tv, but where would she get the idea that tigers could kill a trainer, plus she was apparently quite adamant that this happened to her. Susan said she also insisted that her name was Margaret which was not the name her parents had given her. The child also had a large 'port wine stain' (birthmark) on her abdomen and another on her neck; both of which her parents were hoping doctors could remove. Susan found the whole matter, at the time, both disturbing and curious and had wondered if the child was mentally ill. Googling the name Margaret in connection with circuses and tiger trainers hasn't produced anything so far. If anyone reading this thread knows of a woman trainer, with that first name, who was killed by a tiger/tigers in any country (circuses travel) prior to about 1973, please let me know. I'd love to be able to tell Susan I've found some information that might relate to this child's story.


I have given Susan, Carol's book, "Children's Past Lives" to read and I'm hoping this will give her an even more open attitude to past lives. Jasmine will be going to a small private school in the Autumn, which means that I will see her less often. I have become something of a family friend/babysitter and have already offered to look after the new addition to the family at any time after he/she arrives and Jasmine's mum has indicated that this will be welcome. :thumbsup:


Oh yes, I nearly forgot, Susan also told me that recently the family went to a steam rally and Jasmine was particularly taken with the vintage cars. She declared that she wanted to drive one, then and there. She was told that driving a car was complicated and only for grown ups! My guess is that she maybe remembers driving such a car. She also got excited when she saw a vintage bus and gave a confused story about losing a 'brilly tin'. Susan didn't know what she might be referring to and forgot about it until talking with me. She is going to ask Jasmine about this and note down whatever she says. In the meantime, has anyone any thoughts on what a brilly tin might be? Obviously I don't know at this point if this is anything to do with her past life, but it might be.


Once again, thanks to everyone for their replies.


Angelcat :)
 
Hi Angelcat,


I think probably what Jasmine lost on the bus in her past life was a 'billy tin', more normally called a 'billy can'. A sort of portable mess kit for making tea and so on.


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Aluminium-billy-mess-folding-handle/dp/B002JWYP2Q

You have done very well indeed to track down who she was in. I definitely felt that she had spent time in London due to her concern about Gothas and airships.


There were certainly spies in WW1 and it is interesting that she seems to still be sensitive to the possibility that she is being 'pumped for information'. At the time the Camel was a very sophisticated fighter aircraft, so it would been natural for her not to tell strangers how it was armed in her past life.


I am very glad to learn that her grandmother is more understanding of this than her mother is.


It is interesting to read your updates on the situation.
 
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She also got excited when she saw a vintage bus and gave a confused story about losing a 'brilly tin'.
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I had a look on Google and found a vintage car called a Gobron Brillie. You can find a picture here:- http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://vccsa.org.au/articles/images/01-gobron-brillie.jpg&imgrefurl=http://vccsa.org.au/articles/html/01-williams.html&usg=__xK7ds6rRdcN7cHYlSI3mJClQgP8=&h=391&w=550&sz=46&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=Q1fHxm7vBBTvaM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgobron%2BBrillie%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG. I think they made fire engines too. So maybe the "Brilly" Jasmine's referring to is this "Brillie". Dont know what a "Brillie tin" would be though. Maybe she had a toy model of a Gobron Brillie in her previous life (lots of model cars are made of tin) which she lost :confused:!! Let us know if she says any more about it :thumbsup:
 
Angelcat,


I do not know if you already know of this book:


'Sopwith Camel Aces of World War 1' by Denes Bernard and Norman Franks


It is available from Amazon and is in paperback. Norman Franks is a noted WW1 aviation historian. Since Jasmine had the DFC in that life it is quite possible that her past life chap in is this book and you might find out more about him.


I guess you could ask them to look in the index before purchasing it to make sure he is in it.
 
Angelcat: I just read Soul Survivor (the new book about James Leininger's PL as a WWII fighter pilot) and that's also excellent. One thing that's very interesting about it is that James's dad is a devout Christian who really had a hard time coming to terms with his son's obvious memory of a previous life.


Maxine, I don't know if you know this, but the "Red Baron" is also a member of this forum and has posted under the name Rittmeister (but hasn't posted in a long time I guess) ... his/her website is here: http://www.rittmeister.org/
 
Angelcat,


This does not go very far. But I did find out on the net that a woman called Margaret Greskrep was mauled by some lions in 1918. She seems to have been a trainer/handler. She did not die, not on that occasion at least!


If you Google that name you will find an article about the incident in the NY Times archives. It gives her address and the name of the circus, or whatever it was, she was involved with at the time.
 
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Angelcat: I just read Soul Survivor (the new book about James Leininger's PL as a WWII fighter pilot) and that's also excellent. One thing that's very interesting about it is that James's dad is a devout Christian who really had a hard time coming to terms with his son's obvious memory of a previous life.
Maxine, I don't know if you know this, but the "Red Baron" is also a member of this forum and has posted under the name Rittmeister (but hasn't posted in a long time I guess) ... his/her website is here: http://www.rittmeister.org/
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Jody,


Yes I had noticed. Let's just say that a lot of War historians have quite a bit of difficulty with his past life site, find it rather vexing, and feel it is inaccurate.


However, to his credit, he does also have a first class history site.
 
Maxine said:
Hi Angelcat,
I think probably what Jasmine lost on the bus in her past life was a 'billy tin', more normally called a 'billy can'. A sort of portable mess kit for making tea and so on..
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Thank you, Maxine. You may be right. I have just been searching the web to try and find out if they were definately issued to RFC pilots. Soldiers certainly had them. It will be interesting to see what Susan manages to glean from Jasmine.


Yes, the pilot I think Jasmine may have been is in the book 'Sopwith Camel Aces of World War 1'.


Also, thank you for the info about Margaret Greskrep. I will check it out.


Angelcat :)
 
maulacat said:
I had a look on Google and found a vintage car called a Gobron Brillie. I think they made fire engines too. So maybe the "Brilly" Jasmine's referring to is this "Brillie". Dont know what a "Brillie tin" would be though. Maybe she had a toy model of a Gobron Brillie in her previous life (lots of model cars are made of tin) which she lost :confused:!! Let us know if she says any more about it :thumbsup:
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I find it interesting that Jasmine was looking at vintage cars and that there is one called a Brillie. There could be a connection. Thanks for finding that for me. I know that the Ford Model T was called a 'tin lizzie' so maybe she meant to say tin Brillie. Susan said her parents were trying to distract her because they all wanted to get a cup of tea and she was wanting to get on the vintage bus. In short, I don't think anyone really listened to what she was trying to say. I will keep you updated!


Angelcat :)
 
Jody said:
Angelcat: I just read Soul Survivor (the new book about James Leininger's PL as a WWII fighter pilot) and that's also excellent. One thing that's very interesting about it is that James's dad is a devout Christian who really had a hard time coming to terms with his son's obvious memory of a previous life.
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Thanks for recommending James Leininger's book; I must get a copy. There are many people who just can't accept even the possibility of past lives because of their religious beliefs and then there are those like Jasmine's mother who are just frightened or troubled by the idea that we have more than one lifetime. Perhaps one day, far into the future, people will look back in disbelief that anyone ever thought they only had one lifetime!

Jody said:
Maxine, I don't know if you know this, but the "Red Baron" is also a member of this forum and has posted under the name Rittmeister (but hasn't posted in a long time I guess)
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Jody, this is a bit of a coincidence. The pilot who Jasmine may have been didn't shoot down Richthofen but Captain Roy Brown of the same squadron is credited by many with doing so.


Angelcat :)
 
Jasmine's grandma told me this morning on the phone that she had asked her about this 'brilly tin', but at the moment we are still largely in the dark about it. Jasmine said she kept it in a pocket. When Susan asked her what was in it she simply repeated "brilly tin" and said that she bought it at a barber's shop. She also confirmed that she lost it on a bus and that this was "very annoying!" I can hear the echo of her mother's voice in that one :)


I am now researching barber's shops of the 1900s in the hope of ascertaining what might have been in the tin...I'm thinking maybe one of Gillette's early safety razors. I shall see Jasmine again at nursery on Tuesday, so I hope by then to have some suggestions and pictures of items to put to her in the hope of jogging her memory.


Susan also mentioned that at lunch last Saturday, her husband and Jasmine's father had been talking about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Jasmine looked up from her meal and said. "I don't want any more wars."


Angelcat :)
 
Angelcat said:
When Susan asked her what was in it she simply repeated "brilly tin" and said that she bought it at a barber's shop.
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This made me think of Brylcreem, which is a men's hair product. I'm pretty sure it used to be sold in a tin. However, I found this link about Brylcreem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brylcreem which says that it wasn't invented until 1928, so I suppose it couldn't be that (if Jasmine died in WWI, obviously her death would pre-date it's invention!). I found it interesting that it said this in the info though:- "Its popularity with Royal Air Force pilots in World War II led to their nickname, The Brylcreem Boys. This is the title of a 1998 film about downed pilots interned in the Republic of Ireland."


If it's definitely World War I and not World War II that Jasmine is remembering, then it obviously cant be this, but just thought it might be worth sticking on here anyway! ;)
 
If it is a gentleman's hair product she is referring to Brilliantine would fit the bill and the period. Men were oiling their hair in the Great War period too, thus the need for anti-macassars on furniture. Brilliantine was invented at the turn of the 20th century.
 
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