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The title of this thread is the mirror of the title of the video. This was an exciting interview to watch because of the ideas presented therein. I'm curious what others think, especially since a majority of people here believe in past lives.

"On May 19, about nine weeks later, a leaked video was published to YouTube by a third party who claimed to have received it on March 12th. The video shows what appears to be a jet airliner on fire being trailed by three spiraling orbs. Eventually, the three orbs change to a vertical pattern and disappear in a flash with the airliner, leaving a dead-end trail of smoke in the sky. A month later on June 12th, a second video was published to the same channel that showed the exact same event taken from a different viewpoint. These videos have been deleted from YouTube but can still be found on archive-dot-org.

Ashton Forbes and his team have been researching these videos extensively, and have provided exhaustive evidence that these videos are legitimate. Including digital forensics verified by CGI professionals, eyewitnesses, and government data, Forbes and his team have successfully addressed all de-bunker claims and have listed them for all to see on X-dot-com @JustXAshton. So far, nobody has been able to de-bunk this research."
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"Ashton Forbes - Malaysian Flight MH370 Leaked Pentagon Footage Shows 4th Dimensional Travel"

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What's interesting about this is he is suggesting this technology is manmade- not alien. But goes on to say, mirroring the sentiment of other whistleblowers, that we've reverse engineered alien technology. Brings a lot of questions and ideas to the mind, I don't understand why people would want to shut those ideas down.
 
cloud potato said:
the sentiment of other whistleblowers, that we've reverse engineered alien technology
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To me, the idea of reverse engineering alien (as in extraterrestrial) technology that is advanced enough to travel here from nowhere, seems not-credible.

People say and believe many things, misinterpreting their own perceptions.
 
No worries baro-san, I'm glad you'd provide your thoughts- that's what I'm asking for!

There's a thought that this wasn't, "teleported" but it was "cloaked."

Did you watch the video footage? Supposedly it's been debunked, then the debunker was debunked. So who knows what's what ???

I do not doubt the military has impressive technology, and I do believe Dr. Greer when he says we've reverse engineered alien technology as early as the 1920's.

It's understandable why, if we've been in the dark for so long, the claim would sound far-fetched.

I definitely believe in ET's with civilizations more advanced than ours(and civilizations less advanced), which brings a lot of ideas about technology and consciousness. To me, it's incredibly exciting and I maintain a hopeful attitude for our future!
 
I was a child and remember it was dark and I was in the back of my parents car...i looked up and saw a huge UFO hovering. My sister saw it too...and than we don't remember anything. Just arriving at our home etc. We both know what we saw but nobody believed us.
 
cloud potato said:
The title of this thread is the mirror of the title of the video. This was an exciting interview to watch because of the ideas presented therein. I'm curious what others think, especially since a majority of people here believe in past lives.

"On May 19, about nine weeks later, a leaked video was published to YouTube by a third party who claimed to have received it on March 12th. The video shows what appears to be a jet airliner on fire being trailed by three spiraling orbs. Eventually, the three orbs change to a vertical pattern and disappear in a flash with the airliner, leaving a dead-end trail of smoke in the sky. A month later on June 12th, a second video was published to the same channel that showed the exact same event taken from a different viewpoint. These videos have been deleted from YouTube but can still be found on archive-dot-org.

Ashton Forbes and his team have been researching these videos extensively, and have provided exhaustive evidence that these videos are legitimate. Including digital forensics verified by CGI professionals, eyewitnesses, and government data, Forbes and his team have successfully addressed all de-bunker claims and have listed them for all to see on X-dot-com @JustXAshton. So far, nobody has been able to de-bunk this research."
www.infowars.com

Infowars Article

Infowars: There's a War on for your Mind!
www.infowars.com www.infowars.com

www.bitchute.com

Ashton Forbes - Malaysian Flight MH370 Leaked Pentagon Footage Shows 4th Dimensional Travel

Ashton Forbes - Malaysian Flight MH370 Leaked Pentagon Footage Shows 4th Dimensional Travel For more info visit and subscribe at https://www.KnowingTheTruth.com Support this channel at our store https://www.HealthHarmonic.com Source: https://www.ConspiracyFact.info
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"Ashton Forbes - Malaysian Flight MH370 Leaked Pentagon Footage Shows 4th Dimensional Travel"

https://twitter.com/justxashton
"Citizen Journalist
Seeker of Truth
Organizer of MH370x
Solver of MH370
https://youtube.com/@JustXAshton
#dilationtheory"
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Hey cloud potato,

whatever is true about aliens and UFOs in general, the footage showing the plane being teleported away is obviously a fake video created with visual effects. It was debunked by VFX professionals and others, and the debunks are far more convincing than the attempts at “debunking the debunks”.

There are several issues with the videos that are easily to see and understand for anybody. But the nail in the coffin is: some frames from the explosion/portal effect were found to match with stock footage from the 90’s ! This stock footage was also used in a 90’s video game, that’s how it was found.
The images match. This cannot be denied. This cannot be “debunked” or explained away by any rational person, although Ashton Forbes, the guy who’s pushing all this, tries very hard… His response to this and his arguments against it are ridiculous at this point. In my opinion, he’s either a fanatical believer or he’s just lying. The way he acts and talks when confronted with the evidence reminds me of flat earthers trying to “debunk” anti-flat earth evidence.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMu187Et1qc



Actually, just looking at where the videos come from should be enough to tell any sane “investigator”, that this is most likely a hoax: an anonymous and inactive account on Twitter and YT, calling themselves an “Anon” and following a bunch of crazy UFO accounts. This alone already screams bs! The “leaked footage” was then hyped and “investigated” on reddit almost a decade later. Now all this went to YT and to podcasts and all the way up to infamous Infowars, which doesn’t really add credibility to it all…

All this would be a great hoax, if it wasn't so disrespectful to the victims of the air crash and their families.

Anyway… For those interested, watching Ashton argue with podcaster Danny Jones was pure gold, a lesson in rational thinking vs fanatical belief. It’s beyond me why in the age of Marvel movies some people would choose to rather believe in space portals or aliens abducting a plane, than in the abilities of visual effects artists.

cloud potato said:
What's interesting about this is he is suggesting this technology is manmade- not alien. But goes on to say, mirroring the sentiment of other whistleblowers, that we've reverse engineered alien technology. Brings a lot of questions and ideas to the mind, I don't understand why people would want to shut those ideas down.
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Generally, I’m open-minded, but so far nobody has shown hard evidence for existing alien technology or for aliens visiting the Earth. Probably other intelligent species do exist somewhere in the universe, and maybe there are even many of them. Likely, we are not as special as we might think.

But the next star is more than 4 light years away. I’m rather doubtful that interstellar space travel is even possible for any living being out there because of the great distances that need to be overcome somehow. I rather think there is simply a limitation set by nature in the physical world that does not allow for interstellar travel. And maybe there is a good reason for this, too, if it is indeed so. But I’m open-minded to be convinced otherwise if scientists (!) show us how it can be done.
 
Thanks guys, for all the additional context and insightful replies. = ) I was easily fooled by some pretty incredible editing before, and I have no problem admitting that. I will definitely have to give these additional videos a good listen.

I also believe that sometimes, proof is hard to get when you live in a world where truth is censored by special interest. We have real examples of whistleblowers punished for exposing truth, government cover-ups, media re-directs, and outright defamation against those who have "pushed the envelope."

I respect your beliefs, whether you think we have reverse engineered alien technology or not. I believe we have, but I can not prove it.

Video aside-

I do believe we've been visited by a highly advanced intelligence.

Ideas that have always intrigued me with regards to ETs has more to do with consciousness and thinking outside traditional 3D understanding- something I can't easily explain either.

There are personal experiences that just won't hold up to another persons level of scrutiny, but that does not make those experiences any less real or special.

I have witnessed and interacted with an intelligence communicating with my internal thoughts- literally, the outside world would be manipulated to acknowledge those thoughts. It's more than just, confirmation bias. It sounds crazy to someone who hasn't experienced it. I realize it isn't for me to debate what has become a Faith based experience.

But those experiences are the moments that really make me think on the nature of consciousness and the potential with science exploring consciousness.

@Ocean I've also had the thought that, sometimes with UFO's or orbs- we aren't seeing the "craft" or whatever it is in its entirety because we are 3D and what we are witnessing has more to do with an intelligence operating outside our basic "viewing lens."

I like this video with Carl Sagan who details how a 3D object would appear to an intelligence bound to 2D in order to explain the 4th dimension.

I wonder if what we're seeing is more inter-dimensional than inter-stellar?

And, just for fun- have you seen Michio Kaku theorize the future of star travel? I think he said it has something to do with, "laser porting" and digitizing consciousness being uploaded into an avatar. Here, I found it:


I do think we will eventually live in space stations and even on other planets. And if that's possible, because I believe in societies more advanced than ours, than of course I believe in highly advanced space traversing tech. With ET's, angels and the like- we're getting into personal beliefs, and again, I respect wherever you fall on the spectrum. Even those who choose not to believe in God. I maintain the belief, all paths are valid.

Back to the video- if it is fake, that would be really sad because it puts a dampener on the collective and the efforts of the individuals who do risk their lives to bring us information that could help change our views and understanding of Life. Reincarnation is another example. I believe in reincarnation, and don't need a scientist to tell me. It's exciting for sure. And there's science that tries to prove as well as disprove. I am simple, I believe and I think this belief serves its purpose for me.
 
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I've watched both videos now and am not sure I'm convinced by the debunkers. It has nothing to do with being a, "flat earther." I don't think the earth is flat. I'm just not entirely convinced this is fake. Out of the two videos, I enjoyed the last one you provided more for the polite etiquette. Valid points have been made from both sides of the debate, and like the gentleman in the last video- I'm really not sure. After everything is said, I am left in the same place I started. 😂 Hope you enjoyed the other videos!

People have also attacked Dr. Greer for the claims he's made but I always find his press conferences very interesting-
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@Ocean I've also had the thought that, sometimes with UFO's or orbs- we aren't seeing the "craft" or whatever it is in its entirety because we are 3D and what we are witnessing has more to do with an intelligence operating outside our basic "viewing lens."

I like this video with Carl Sagan who details how a 3D object would appear to an intelligence bound to 2D in order to explain the 4th dimension.

I wonder if what we're seeing is more inter-dimensional than inter-stellar?
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I get what you mean. It's really intriguing to think about and I enjoyed this video. Thanks for sharing.
My thoughts on this: As I understand it, the same could be said for ghosts, other paranormal sightings, experiences or differend kinds of magic. First, it implies that there are these points of contact between 3D and 4D (or between 2D and 3D like shown in the video with the stamps), where something from a higher dimension becomes partially visible or detactable in our dimension (like an orb, a light, a shadow, a radiation we can measure). But is this possible? Do such points of contact between dimensions exist? Don't know. Maybe.

If yes, then from here we need to go one step further: Can an object from a lower dimension be "lifted up" into a higher dimension? And I don't mean something like consciousness, but a physical object (like an air plane) or the body of a living being. Can the apple grab the square, take it out of the 2D plane and lift it up above it? Can the 2D square actually exist in 3D, even if for a short while? (Again, I mean its body, not its consciousness). Is this kind of interaction possible? For me that's the big question it all comes down to. In the video Sagan postulates this is possible to show what the experience would be like. But in reality we do not know. Maybe the square is so tightly bound to the 2D plane, it cannot even be touched by the 3D apple, less alone taken out of 2D? Just like I cannot grab the letters I type on my PC screen and hold them in my hand.

Personally, I'd say there is lack of evidence for this kind of physical multi-dimensional interactions, therefore I don't believe in it. (E.g., I don't believe a ghost or entity can open a door in a house). But I don't know and that's just my opinion.

But I also don't need this to be true, because I believe our soul and consciousness is multi-dimensional and can have multi-dimensional experiences, whether we are aware of them or not. I believe in OBEs, NDEs, spirit-beings (angels, guides, intelligent entities, whatever...) and communication with them, spiritual worlds, the after-life and reincarnation. I tend to believe our consciousness/soul/higher Self is the only link between this physical 3D world and the other worlds. I don't need to believe in orbs taking an air plane or people's bodies to a higher dimension. I believe our consciousness/soul can do this on its own. Most of the time we are just unaware of it while we are incarnated in a physical body.

Therefore I value everyone's personal experiences in this regard, like yours.

When it comes to science, I can imagine science will never be able to fully explain and understand spiritual matters, simply because they are out of its reach, out of the laws of physics of this 3D physical world. Maybe science will also never be able to fully understand human consciousness. I'm fine with that. I don't need scientifical explanations for all these things. I also accept anyone's personal beliefs about things that are not verifiable by nature.

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And, just for fun- have you seen Michio Kaku theorize the future of star travel? I think he said it has something to do with, "laser porting" and digitizing consciousness being uploaded into an avatar.
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I haven’t seen this before. It’s very entertaining, but there is so much sci-fi, so many assumptions and unanswered questions to this…
But again, if we believe in an immortal soul/consciousness, that is not necessarily bound to a physical body or location, at least after death this soul can do star travel without lasers and digital brains.

cloud potato said:
I do think we will eventually live in space stations and even on other planets. And if that's possible, because I believe in societies more advanced than ours, than of course I believe in highly advanced space traversing tech.
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I can relate to that, because I was thinking the same when I was younger. I thought of generation spaceships, of terra-forming and of colonization of other planets. I used to believe that extra-terrestrials came to Earth in ancient times to colonize it and to educate human beings. But with the years, when I learned more and more about science and about the limitations and challenges of technology, energy and resources that would come with this, I became totally disillusioned about such ideas. Now, I don’t even think this is desirable. I wouldn’t like to live on a space station without nature, without forests and seas and sunsets, with just an artificial air circulation, and who knows what we would eat there??? First and foremost, I think, we need to care for and to fix the space station we are already living on – Planet Earth.
Sorry, I became so sceptical and grounded in reality by now… I used to be much more visionary and idealistic in the past.
 
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I've watched both videos now and am not sure I'm convinced by the debunkers. It has nothing to do with being a, "flat earther." I don't think the earth is flat. I'm just not entirely convinced this is fake. Out of the two videos, I enjoyed the last one you provided more for the polite etiquette. Valid points have been made from both sides of the debate, and like the gentleman in the last video- I'm really not sure. After everything is said, I am left in the same place I started. 😂 Hope you enjoyed the other videos!
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I really wish you well, cp, with your search for the truth in general. The reason why I posted those videos and replied to this thread, is because I had watched several hoaxes, Anons, supposed government insiders and conspiracy theories that came up on the internet in the recent years, from flat earth to QAnon to the fake pandemic and others. I saw where it originated from, how it spread, how people who pushed it made money with it, and also how it harmed those people who believed. Smart and intelligent people fall for this stuff all the time.

That's why I just wanna say to everyone: Please be careful who you believe on the internet. Not everyone is so honest like you are. Really. There are so many dishonest people, liars, fakers, trolls, people looking for attention or just misguided and delusional people. Often it’s just about the fame or the money.

In addition to that, today there is the popular notion that critical thinking means to not trust experts, professionals and traditional main stream media, or that it means to dismiss long established facts. That’s not critical thinking. Critical thinking is to not trust anonymous accounts on the internet and self-proclaimed experts or investigators with no expertise in the field. It’s to not trust blurry footage and wild claims without further evidence. Just go back to your common sense from time to time and don't forget about Occam's razor: "The simplest explanation is usually the best one."

In the end everyone sees and believes what they want to.

In that sense, something just for fun:

Judge for yourselves - Dobby, the House-Elf? Or a skinny boy with underwear on his head doing the chicken dance?
I go for Dobby ;)

 
Hi Ocean :)

Thank you for your kind and thoughtful reply. I find myself in agreement with your ideas. I am also friends with people who see and think differently than me- variety is the spice of life after all. It's easy to scoff at someone who thinks the earth is flat, it's harder to see them as a capable human being and understand why they think it's flat. But trying to dig into someones psyche isn't always necessary. Sometimes it's best to agree to disagree and if you care to, find what unites you.

When discussing personal beliefs around ET's/angels(which to some people, are the same thing) I find my self stating, whether I am right or wrong- I put kindness and the effort to know my self above these beliefs. My friend was just cautioning me last night because, he grew up such a kind hearted soul- he really believed in helping his fellow brothers and sisters. But being homeless for a while put him in some of the darker places of the city he found himself in. He learned about liars, pedophilia and human trafficking. So I understood when he was cautioning me about grifters, where he was coming from. It amazes me that he is still such a kind and caring soul, especially after learning of some of the darker truths he's shared with me. I don't align with all his views, but I value who he is and would not want to tarnish the relationship over superficial differences.

The world is so polarized that it's important not to be so attached to our own beliefs(which are subject to change) that we can not hear the other person. We don't understand their upbringing, their suffering, and if we can try to understand a broader sense of the personality we can see the psychology behind words and definitions that people tend to get hung up on. Like someone that believes demons are running amok and it's the end of the world as we know it.

I work and live around people on the opposite end of the political spectrum. Way opposite. As a third party I am able to see that despite their perceived differences, they actually share core beliefs. My Faith teaches me to find what unites man, not divides. Where attention goes, energy flows. You can spend a lifetime hung up on the differences, or the opposite. I'm learning the magic behind consciousness by finding what unites us. I'm here because I'm seeking the One behind the Many.

So I thank you for your advice, and for the fun videos. I am really impressed by your line of questioning too. I enjoyed listening to the debate with the OT too. A bit of a separate topic but I am with you- to me, space is very lonely and cold. I have a, "past life memory" of leaving a planet on a cold ship. I felt very sad, very isolated. It was not romantic. I would not volunteer to leave this planet, and I agree that we should take better care of Her. She is such a kind and gracious Host, even allowing us these physical bodies to experience the laws of Nature. They'll return to Her in the end. And as it stands, we barley understand those Laws- I am hopeful though. I do believe we will have technology that works in harmony with nature and consciousness.

I agree with you on the other points you've made and hopefully you can see why I think all paths are valid. Like someone choosing allopathy over naturopathy- or vice versa, or dabbling in a little bit of both. I also maintain the belief we are all unique, and even though it's easy to see our insignificance I believe we are connected to God and therefore are rather significant in the eyes of my Beloved.

Good tidings to you. Enjoy the winter holidays.
 
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One's "critical thinking" is another's foolishness.

I don't think that we're on this board looking for critical thinking ... :) Reincarnation doesn't seem to fall under that category.

You seem quite sure about what's right and what's wrong:
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flat earth to QAnon to the fake pandemic and others
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For example:
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today there is the popular notion that critical thinking means to not trust experts, professionals and traditional main stream media, or that it means to dismiss long established facts. That’s not critical thinking.
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'Trusting' isn't thinking ...
 
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I just scrolled this thread. I haven't watched the videos (yet). I am a firm believer in extraterrestrial life. Like CP, I also might have had contact (telepathically) with an ET consciousness. I am not sure and I can't prove anything. Now and then I get visited by a 'Presence' and there is a conversation. The problem is that I don't know who this is and can't tell if it's the same Presence every time or a different one. The conversations are highly personal, spiritual, and healing for me. Think of partial life reviews, short comments that immediately take away stress and 'trauma', insights and so on.
Several years ago, I was convinced it was an ET and I asked them if this was true, could I be taken for a short visit to their craft? The answer was no, because I was too heavy. I never thought it was about actual physical weight, but about frequency. I felt so sorry for myself, hahaha. But there was one second in which I was inside a spacecraft. I was standing before a window pane and looked outside. It was too short of time to turn around. I'll never forget this instant moment.
My interest started after my first encounter with 'real' UFOs. This was a life-changing event. Highly magical for me and fortunately, I was able to make my family and neighbors witness it too. The first time, it was an entire fleet of orange balls of energy, maybe 40 or more. One of them was above my head and I can swear it was not a Chinese latern because I can tell the difference. It radiated an energy of peace and silence, as if I were in an invisible dome. In the months that followed, we saw so many of them, that it became almost boring to look outside again and again. Sometimes my neighbor knocked on the door, yelling that they were there again and I thought: yeah, what's new?
Me and my two sons (who were still young) became very invested in finding out information on the internet. I found people online who had seen similar things. I even fell into the rabbit hole of weird theories and conspiracies. After several months, they stopped being visible and I've never seen one again.
They did react to telepathy. No doubt about that. The first time, they showed up while my youngest son and I were discussing ET presence in the Bible. So weird. And later, I did an experiment by focussing on one of them telepathically, and this orange orb changed course towards my home and before reaching it, it changed course again to its former track. Like a salute. This happened twice that time (I only did this twice).

Not so long ago, my nephew sent me a link about the disclosure talks in the Congress of the US. For more than a decade, I hadn't been interested in the topic. So I noticed that a shift had been taken place in this community. It seems that alien life and visits to our planet are now acknowledged officially, even by the US military. Interesting.
I also suddenly realized something important a few weeks ago. As I was going back into my memories of seeing those fleets of orange balls, I suddenly realized that I lived near nuclear missiles at that time. I went to Google and found out that exactly in that period, the military base was being closed. There had been nuclear missiles at that base, so those must have been moved or dismantled. All of a sudden, it all made some sense to me.

As for today, I set the intention that I only become interested again after a physical meeting with an ET. LOL. Just seeing traffic in the sky is no longer interesting. I want to meet someone, talk with them, and have fun. Non-physical presences are not enough. Maybe those visits to me are just spiritual beings and have nothing to do with extraterrestrial life.
 
Update on the videos above for those who maybe got interested in them now:

These videos were debunked three or more times meanwhile, and IMO they are not worth anyone’s time anymore.

- The stock footage for the portal effect was found (discussed in the videos I linked in a previous post).
- The stock images for the clouds in the background AND the person who took these cloud images with their camera were found.
- Now the VFX software was found that has the matching 3D models for the plane and drone used in the "thermal" video.
- What some people believe to be a 3D stereoscopic video captured by two satellites was shown to a be an effect that was created by Youtube on many videos at that time when 2D videos were converted to 3D.
(I can provide links for everything, if someone should be interested.)

Of course, still some people believe these videos of an airplane and 3 orbs disappearing out of the sky is real or might still be real. You just can't convince everybody, and that's ok.

It should also be noted that the guy who is still pushing this story on the internet, going on podcasts and so on, the private investigator Ashton Forbes, was recently scammed for $3000 because he believed that someone anonymous, who emailed him, had some top secret original files about this alleged plane abduction. The files that were then sent to him for $3K were password protected, and once the PW was cracked they turned out to be just nothing. This whole scam was live on his stream when he opened the files and realized it was nothing in there. (He has deleted the streams after that, but as we all know: the internet does not forget… ;)).

Of course, this same guy dismisses all the debunks of the videos because of reasons, but he immediately fell for a simple scam while ignoring all the warnings he got from people about it, even calling the people who warned him idiots. (To be fair, he later apologized to them).
This episode just shows how biased and gullible a person can be, sadly. Every single statement this guy makes and every evidence he supposedly has must be taken with a grain of salt and carefully re-examined and scrutinized from now on.

It also sadly confirms what I had said earlier:

Ocean said:
Please be careful who you believe on the internet. Not everyone is so honest like you are. Really. There are so many dishonest people, liars, fakers, trolls, people looking for attention or just misguided and delusional people. Often it’s just about the fame or the money.
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Also keep in mind: These videos are already 10 years old and in parts they are not very sophisticated VFX. But with advanced VFX technology and AI the fakes will only get better in future.

NOTE: I’m not talking about UFOs, orbs, ETs or other dimensions in general. I'm also not judging about anyone's personal experiences or beliefs. I’m just discussing these particular two videos that were supposedly "leaked" as this was the original topic of this thread.

I’m not into UFOs much, but from what I have seen going on now, the UFO community itself is divided on these particular videos. Many believers are convinced they’re obviously fake and do a lot of damage to the cause. Some still believe they’re real, though.
 
baro-san said:
One's "critical thinking" is another's foolishness.

I don't think that we're on this board looking for critical thinking ... :) Reincarnation doesn't seem to fall under that category.

You seem quite sure about what's right and what's wrong:


For example:


'Trusting' isn't thinking ...
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I’m confused by your comments. We were not talking about reincarnation in this thread at all.

It’s off-topic to this thread here, but why do you think we don’t need critical thinking when looking at reincarnation? There are reincarnation researchers who at least try to apply the scientific method to reincarnation cases as far as possible. I appreciate the effort.

Also, people on this board are questioning their own past life memories and their beliefs all the time. Sometimes they're questioning each other’s conclusions about their pls, too.

We also have sceptics on the board from time to time or just people who are curious and would like to learn about the “best evidence” for reincarnation. What’s wrong with that?

Some people just believe, some have a strong intuition, some need to convince their brains, too. That’s all fine, IMO.

About the other stuff I was originaly refering to, mainly certain claims, videos and theories that went viral or are still going viral on the internet and social media recently: Sometimes I look into such stuff and their respective communities in detail, and in some cases I've done so even for years, so I've come to my conclusions in some cases. Obviously, I don’t have the answer to everything, nobody has, least to everything unexplained that's going on in the world, and I don’t expect anyone to rely on my judgement. It's not my goal to convince anybody.

Only one thing is certain: that nothing is certain. And not even that is certain. :)
 
Good morning guys!

Wow, a lot has happened since posting this huh?

Firefly- what an amazing and beautiful experience!

Ocean- thank you for your diligence and for keeping us up to date with all that has transpired!

I had very relevant and personal experience with everything we're discussing in this thread. I'm not sure if it needs to be moved to the religion and spirituality thread- so a forewarning to those who would rather not dive into spiritual discussion. And perhaps a forewarning to you Ocean, because I am going to talk about UFO's, orbs, ET's and other dimensions. 😇 If anything, this video has certainly brought all of those things into our discussions and contemplation!

So I was fooled by another hoax eh? Ah well, that IS a pity. Especially because I was rooting for that young man. I definitely believe in ET's! And I believe Dr. Steven Greers claims and some of the whistleblowers he has had come forward in these national press conferences, some of whom are high ranking military officials with insights that go beyond our average experiences. I DO think we've reverse engineered alien technology and that for the most part has been kept secret. I agree with him that contact is happening now and we shouldn't wait for governing officials to tell us what that looks like.

Ocean- I actually said the exact same thing last night. That there's just no convincing some people. I found my self talking with someone who feels a particular way about certain political issues- it's at the point where he can't see himself or the other person. Ultimately we share the same concerns and interest towards the subject. Instead, there's an emotional attachment to particular views and attitudes that keep people stuck in this- me vs you mindset. I am included in this analysis. This attitude serves a purpose. Even if it means ultimately, we suffer.

Crazy, huh? It's the same with my Aunt, who has her own attitudes with Christianity and Paganism. It saddens me, because we close ourselves off when we become so emotionally vested in our views. But I know my Aunt is a great woman. Just like my friend, who remains firm in his convictions with certain political topics. But I think this is why we have so many wars. The Bhagavad Gita describes the qualities of Ego and Soul... And it is the Ego that says my lease on life is the correct one!

I have really been thinking on additional dimensions.

Firefly... I think these telepathic experiences, sudden orb manifestations, are intelligent life from additional dimensions. And while you would rather contact with a physical being, I don't think these experiences are so 3D in nature- I think the beings who are able to communicate with us in *some way* and acknowledge our reality are operating from spaces we do not ordinarily perceive. To me, this is indicative of a greater intelligence. I think these beings are loving. And I think of what you said about being too heavy(dense) to ride upon the craft.

Personal belief alert, lol. I believe consciousness IS. That it does not originate in the brain. I am learning to say additional dimensions because I think the words higher dimensions is kind of misleading- implying we must go UP. But I think of additional dimensions as space we don't readily perceive existing WITHIN us and AROUND us.

I've had an orb experience my self. It was 3AM(ish) and I was in my backyard. I was meditating and suddenly I began to see these translucent and irregular shaped orbs of different colors/hues chasing each other like they were playing a game. I felt so much joy to be in this elevated state and perceive something that I would call out of the ordinary. I've had other such orb experiences where a black orb zipped through the sky and went *through* me. And one where I was meditating and suddenly found my self in a space with absolutely no sound, but a brilliant shining orb descended into my being and caused me to wake up. A lot of these experiences make me think of additional dimensions.

I think we experience it in dreams. But I think even now we're dreaming. Or maybe it's that when we're we are dreaming we are actually awake. I shared a song on this idea not to long ago. Basically he is saying the only difference between dreaming and being here, "awake" is the 3D linear filter we view and experience life through.

I do think reincarnation talks to us about life after life, and allows us to see how consciousness does not reside in our brain. I think communication with ET's happens, but if we expect it in a physical manner with which we are accustomed, we may be very disappointed. Not that such a reality is impossible, but again, I am speaking of these beings from additional dimensions who are able to acknowledge our innermost dialogue and even manipulate our environment to communicate what's happening within.

It's a lot to unpack, but I find this thread contributing to these discussions. I have received real information from the, "Dream state" that I could not have possibly known. Maybe it was information from a past life? Then there is information that proves true later on. . . ? I think we are somehow connected to these intelligent lifeforms. I think we exist here, and exist outside of this experience too.
 
I think about time. We can't just grab a fistful of time and serve it on a plate- say, here my friend! Take a bite. It's delicious! But we can perceive time as 3D linear. Time is like a river. We have to go down the river in a way that means experiencing life in a set way. But what's now behind us is still there, and what is ahead of us is waiting to be experienced.

I recently had a bout of sleep paralysis/hypnagogia and it was awesome. My body was shutting down and my energy was rising out. Suddenly I started singing a mantra in my head. Except it happened in a way that it felt like it was being sung aloud. Like I wasn't hearing it as my internal voice. It was so clear, and I questioned if it was me singing! It was so beautiful, and in a way I had never thought of trying before. Where was all this coming from? As it became all the more vibrant I started noticing a light blossoming from my third eye area. It was white and a pale gold- each note of the mantra was like a striking effect upon my consciousness until suddenly- the light exploded into brilliant pale pink flooding my entire vision before going back to white and gold. Now I was aware, with eyes closed, of my mother and father in their room sleeping. My Sister too.

I didn't spend much time here. I was in conversation with my self(I guess?) asking about these additional dimensions. Saying I wanted to experience. It was like all this INFORMATION was AROUND me and in front of me- I could go down one and experience linearly- but I was also existing and aware of everything in what had to be a nonlinear fashion. Think of *feeling* information as streams in your peripherals. There was a lot of feeling here. Like things felt completely whole and still more, the possibility of individual streams were there. I don't think I'm giving this much justice, especially because we're so trained and identified here in 3D. But the moment I went down or engaged one of these streams, I became engrossed in the data and that moment of lucidity started to wane. I started to have a regular dream, but I still maintained this awareness that I was all these characters- and the characters in my dream were trying to wake me up to this desire to experience additional dimensions.

I woke up so energized and ready to go to work. I felt like ok- it must be time to go to work. I thought, maybe it's just a little early- 5:30-5:45? And as I was getting prepared for work I looked at the clock and realized it was 3:20AM. I have no clue what that was about. I felt great all day. I really think I was given some insight into these topics we're discussing here. And I started receiving ideas from, "out of no where" that makes me think yes I am communicating with ET's... Which may be a part of ourselves we don't consciously comprehend.

Wow- did I drift off from the original topic or what? Hahaha- Okay... That's my fun for the day.

Ocean, I think we are in agreement and share a similar attitude towards life. I appreciate everyones replies here, all is good and is as it is meant to be.

Loving regards ALL! = )
 
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I just finished the dr Greer video. That was pretty intense. :oops:
I wonder if I can sleep tonight...
 
One of the crazier things I've come to realize over the past few years is just how vast this reincarnation system is meaning where souls are coming from in general before incarnating here.
 
You see ... I don't intend to convince anybody. I see all of us as students, at different levels. Unfortunately, there is no absolute way to know who's more right and who's less so.

I believe that you can't blindly trust anybody, including yourself.
 
Talking about critical thinking ... I just read this amazing statement:

"Thinking is vile and loathsome and is the very basis of ignorance."
--- Tony Daniels, Self Realized meditation master
 
baro-san said:
Talking about critical thinking ... I just read this amazing statement:

"Thinking is vile and loathsome and is the very basis of ignorance."
--- Tony Daniels, Self Realized meditation master
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Dealt with this personality type on an off bases and generally find it fairly stale never mind slow moving while rarely being open to any new information. Such often has its own brand of ego not typically found in the regular population and often prides itself as being book smart without any real breakthroughs. In short very much classroom pace while more intuitive and novel thinkers find themselves being held back.
 
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