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Nazi = Nazin????

Hi Deborah


by reading through memories I got side tracked and came across this thread - you write that you lived in the top right corner of Italy close to the Austrian border - so you might have been tyrolian in the 'Alto Adige' ( Adige is a river - Etsch in german ) region or Suedtirol ( actuall it should be a u with 2 dotts - but i don't have this on my english keyboard )as we say - the area is famous for wine and I know of in that case north tyrolian farmers who would hide jews.


There is also a 3rd language group - there Ailish mentioned them above and they speak ladinish - a language with a soft tone - related to the swiss Romantsch. I never heard of Nazin - neither in German nor in Italian - though the way the plural of Nazi is pronounced in this region or in Austria might sound for a non german speaker with a hint of an 'n' at the end. I don't speak ladinish nor do I know somebody who does - so I have no idea what plural endings they would use


Evee is absolutly right with the translation of 'paramichi' - per amici = for friends - though the per becomes very often in the spoken language a 'par' - and italians pull words together so that is sounds like 'paramici'


Clivia
 
Thank You so much Clivia, I appreciate the information!!! :D


It can be difficult to know what some of the smallest details mean when they surface - or if they mean anything at all. In this case it is fascinating, based on your post above to realize that although what I heard (Nazin) was not spelled with an "n" at the end - a certain dialect in the area where I lived sounded like there was one. :cool
 
I always get so excited when there is something about languages :D


Deborah, in case you're interested in researching it a little further or perhaps hearing Ladin spoken check out Ladin on Wikipedia. There are some good links there.


:)
 
Hi Deborah :) your welcome


do you have any idea of the area apart that it was the top right corner of Italy ? I just aksed my mum where they would speak ladinish - if you googlemap first Italy and then Fleimstal or 'val di fiemme' it should show you an area - val and Tal mean valley the area is bilingual german and italian - maybe a name in the wider surroundings rings a bell


Clivia
 
Thank You Sunniva and Clivia,


I know I took a train to Venice several times. About 40 minutes away. I know that the city Trieste was important and not too far from home. Maybe an hour or less. I will have to look back on my old journals - there was another area - but I cannot recall off hand. It's been about ten years. Thank god I recorded everything. I'll see if I can find it.
 
I may be wrong, but I think that the town of Trento is the largest in the area :)


I have a friend, who is from Trento and I know that when he goes home, he flies to Venice where he is picked up and they drive to Trento. I think he said it took about an hour, so 40 minutes by train wouldn't be far off imo :)
 
Hi Sunniva


you are right - Trento or Trient is a fairly large city - maybe not the largest but big enough


Deborah :)


the trains go from Venice - left - to Vicenza - Verona ( about 50 mins)( continuing to Milan) or more interesting in your case up north Trento ( about 1 hour 1/2 )- Bolzano - Innsbruck - with many smaller stops in between


have done this train ride many times - it's quicker by car .


or Venice to the right along the coast to Trieste - a big city - very austrian - hungarian, which was an important harbour in the imperial time


i don't think that the train lines have changed much since the 2 world wars - this due to the mountain area - so google might be an inspiration


Clivia
 
It's so fun about Trento. My friend, Matteo, is veeeery Italian, but when he explains their traditional food it's more German/Austrian than Italian. :)
 
And there is a good reason for that :) Sunniva


after WWI the Tyrol was split into north and south Tyrol - south Tyrol becoming a part of Italy. Trento or Trient is an old tyrolean city - only since 1919 became the population in the Alto Adige area mixed - italian and tyrolean - today all of them speak 2 languages - or should at least speak 2 languages


Clivia
 
Hello Ladies,

Trento or Trient is an old tyrolean city - only since 1919 became the population in the Alto Adige area mixed - italian and tyrolean - today all of them speak 2 languages - or should at least speak 2 languages. Clivia
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I find this very interesting. I think Ailish remembers saying words that are from two languages when she was there.


I am determined to travel back to Italy in a few years and explore the train stations and this area more. The trains were very important to my fathers business and traveling to visit family members who lived in Venice.
 
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