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Physical ailments due to Guilt

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I have not seen anyone talk about this before -so I thought I would bring it up.

I was talking to my mother the other day and in conversation she was telling me about my grandfather -my fathers dad who passed away a few years ago. In 1990 she had many visions of my fathers past life in the South during the Civil War and their relationship to one another then. I too have had visions of him there during my PL as a slave. He was the son of a very wealthy plantation owner and befriended many of the slaves -(behind his fathers back).

But what interests me and I don't think I have ever heard about anything that relates to this before -- but perhaps you guys have. The father (my grandfather now) insisted that the son go to war -that he fight for the South and defend their rights to own slaves. The son (my father now) of course went off to war.

My mother describes a gun that was hand held and rested on the shoulder -a mini cannon type gun that she later researched through archives and historians to find there was such a gun and they were rare. This gun she said exploded in the son's face, dislodging his eye and placing him in a comma. His body was sent home -- and he died in route. The historian said -- that is exactly why the gun was rare -it would explode in the face of the person shooting it. So they stopped making the gun.

My grandfather in his mid 50's got cataracts at a very early age and had vision trouble even earlier on. It was the same eye as the son who was killed in the previous life during the Civil War. The last 20 years of his life he was totally blind in that eye.

Have any of you come across cases where physical ailments are not due to the persons (or your) PL trauma or body pains/illness/ injury - but due to the guilt or feeling of responsibility that they (you) might have caused their death or other trauma?

I would be VERY interested in hearing about other examples. I wonder -how many people have ailments today that are due to -feelings of guilt, shame, blame, fear, and are not actually rooted in a previous injury, illness or accident in a past life.
 
Hi Deborah,

This is an interesting topic. I feel that perhaps some of my health issues are related to past-life guilt (I always feel guilty, sometimes for no reason that I can clearly see), but since I don't know about my past lives, I can't say for certain.

Have you read Hazel M. Denning's Life Without Guilt? This book is all about what you've brought up here: how past-life guilt can manifest itself as problems in our current lives.

Lib
 
I must be tired, when I first read this thread upon clicking through, I could have sworn blind it was titled Physical ailment due to quilt…LOLOL…and of course it got my curiosity turning over ;)

Interesting story Deborah, I am going to ponder on this a lot more in the morning and look forward to seeing whether any other members here have similar stories to share. I’ve always considered guilt to be a considerably heavy emotion to carry over into future lives, so what’s not to say that this burden actually emanates into a physical reality and future ailment for the person carrying it.
 
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HI Libellule

FANTASTIC -I have not heard of the book you mentioned. Has Hazel Denning written other books? For some reason her name rings bells for me. I met a woman named Hazel at a seminar who wrote several books about paranormal activities and her third book was published at age 97. Fascinating woman. She got her PhD at age 79 if I remember correctly. Now I am curious if it's her.
I'll do a search and see.

Quilt huh Kelly? LOLOLOL Well, in a way I guess you could say it's a patch work of emotions that wrap around us. Interesting subliminal suggestion. I changed the small "g" to be a BIG "G" in the title - just for uuuuuuuuu :)
 
Oh my Goodness!!!!!!!!!!!

It is her! She wrote True Hauntings: Spirits With a Purpose

My friend borrowed the book and still has it but that's the cover picture for sure. I thought she was adorable. And so full of life. This was several years ago -I think 1997 - when she was talking to me I remember -just like it was yesterday how she was talking about going to school to finish her degrees and her husband died. I could see him standing behind her and he told me his name was Bill. Later she mentioned his name -was Bill. He was so proud of her. :) It was a magical day and she is an inspiring woman.
 
The pain of guilt

Have any of you come across cases where physical ailments are not due to the persons (or your) PL trauma or body pains/illness/ injury - but due to the guilt or feeling of responsibility that they (you) might have caused their death or other trauma?
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So here I am perusing the forum, all drugged up on acetaminophen and amoxycillin because I have this nasty tooth infection, and I come across this question.

Quick rewind about 2300 years, to when my best friend/lover Hephaistion got into a sword duel with my best up-and-coming general and dear friend, Krateros, and I had to break it up to keep from losing one or the other or both -- totally shocked and freaked that any such thing could happen, and especially that it was Hephaistion, whose ability to keep his cool I just about worshipped, who started it. I blew up at him, in front of everyone (so that history has recorded it), and one of the things I said was "Without me, you'd be nothing!"

He had never told me that envious people had raised the level of their "pranks" against him to sabotaging his equipment before he went onto the field... in other words, attempted murder. I had no idea. (History doesn't either.) Krateros had inadvertently said something that made it look as if he or one of his minions had done it, and hence the duel. History also doesn't know that Hephaistion had a lingering sense of insecurity, due to having been born with a twisted foot and only saved from exposure (leaving a baby up on a hill to die if it's defective) by his father's decision, with which his brother disagreed, so that as a small child Hephaistion got told repeatedly by his uncle that he should be dead. (I knew this but thought he'd got over it.)

He never told me the degree to which my words devastated him, or made him more vulnerable to his enemies, who were more vicious than I knew. I was king and my word carried huge weight and he felt obliged to cut himself down to match what I'd said, even as it appeared we were making up. He was less careful of his own security after that, and it ended in his death.

Fast forward to a week and a half ago, when his current incarnation, my best friend/lover of this life, had the emotion that remains from this come to the surface, in spades, for the first time. It has coloured our this-life relationship for all 18 years of it, but now it's in the open. Whenever we talk about it, I get hit with horrible self-condemnation... I'm selfish, I'm cruel, I'm heartless, etc. etc., plus -- this tooth-ache. I've only had it once before, when I was processing something else in that life I did with my mouth that I counted a crime. Now here it is again, as we work on releasing and putting to rest a verbal trauma I inflicted. Maybe tooth-ache sounds trivial, but it can be the most concentrated, intense pain a person can experience. I can only count myself lucky that whatever part of us creates such experiences is having enough mercy on the rest of me to give me an acute problem rather than a chronic one.

Thus your question came at an opportune moment, Deborah. You bet it happens, it's happening to me right now as I write.

I believe Hazel Denning was a major mover and shaker of IARRT. How cool that her husband introduced himself to you while in spirit form, and you knew it!

Love & peace,
Karen
 
:)

Hi Karen,

My grandson is visiting this weekend so I am surrounded (yes ......one little boy with the energy of ten) :):)

I loved reading your post Karen - . :) Sunday night -I hope to reflect more fully. Have a wonderful night.
 
Re: Oh my Goodness!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Deborah
I thought she was adorable. And so full of life. This was several years ago -I think 1997
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Any idea if she's still... well, on the earth plane? :) I really found Hazel Denning's book on guilt to be helpful, and I wanted to know more. I thought of writing to her, but I wasn't sure if she was still alive.

Are her other books any good? I'm not all that interested in ghosts and such, but if those books are as well-researched and well-written as the book on guilt, I might like them.

Lib
 
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Hi Lib,

I am not sure if she is still alive. It never hurts to write -- if she is -wouldn't she be thrilled to hear from you? :):)

The other book was very good - but it's been years -so I don't really remember. Meeting her in person made a much bigger impression on me than her book did at the time. :)

Karen, thank you so much for posting your experience and your thoughts. It is very interesting to speculate on the correlation between your words to another in a PL and your tooth ache now. It does beg the question -how much our physical aliments are rooted in our thoughts, feelings and emotions. Even those -from a past life.
 
Deborah
I meant to post this days ago but time has been scarce to say the least

This kind of relates to what you mean. Just something I'd like to share:

I have posted before about my 2 daughters and the circumstances of their births. I was present at the birth of my second daughter. I don't need to tell you ladies who are mothers about the trials of childbirth. You have been there.

I remember feeling an illogical guilt watching my daughter's mother going into labor and giving birth. It was illogical. It was her choice to have this child. I didn't force her into anything and she was happy to become pregnant and have a baby. She wanted a child as much as I did.

But I remember feeling tremendously guilty and even apologizing to her. Logically I am all too aware that I had the easy fun part in the whole thing and she did all the work but the extent of my guilt was totally illogical.

It comfirmed what I always suspected I have tremendous issues with children and parenthood.
 
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HI GreenKnight

Thank you for sharing your experiences. Have you ever been able to pin point where the feelings of guilt come from? Have you done any meditations or regressions around the feelings?

It seems you have a very direct link via thoughts feelings and emotions to remembering a past life. ;)

Right now I am working on understanding my own physical ailments and the interweaving of the past three life times. It's rather difficult to explain, but in a nutshell - there seems to be a link -from one life to another and now this one -where physical ailments occur. It seems the ethereal body remembers and the physical body - manifests the memory.
 
Deborah
I am working on it. It hasn't been easy though. I know that in PL's I have abandoned my children and their other parent. But I am trying to nail down specifics.
In the mean time I am just working very hard to be a good parent this time around. :)
 
Thinking through an example of mine

I am in the middle of the book -interesting read for sure. And I admire her work and life goals very much!

My memories of a young white boy raised from age ten in the late 1700's with the Indians reveals something about guilt and how I carried it over to the next life time. Here's an excerpt of my memories........

.....My throat, my throat suddenly felt very constricted. I could not speak. I didn’t know why, what did I need to remember in order to release this constriction?..... Time shifts ... we are moving. "My people" are angry. I see a young boy on horse back and he is yelling war cries and waving a spear. The whites are moving in on us. We are moving -- moving away from their encroaching presence.

I feel very wise, yet I am afraid and I feel powerless. I know the white man and his ways, I know of his inevitable coming. I am him, I am not him. I know the Indian and his ways, I am him -- I am not him. I see my Indian "brother", he stands in a buffalo robe, knee high moccasins, and beads in his long hair. I watch him as he turns slowly toward me, pausing to look deeply into my eyes. There is a silent acknowledgment of concern between us. In silence, we exchange our mutual respect for each other.

Time changes... I am older, maybe 40 years or so. I was sitting in a hut structure. The room was very dark and only a small candle flickered in the corner of the room. I had the feeling we had been traveling for some time, and it was very cold outside. There was a lot of anger and hostility among the people in the room. The Indians were upset and I was very sad. The sadness was overwhelming. I became aware of feelings......feelings of being responsible. Just then a man in a red jacket with brass buttons and white long hair came through the door. I could feel the blood flushing my face. I was so angry with him. He had lied to me!!! I hated him...he was evil, he was greedy and I did not trust him.

I suddenly knew the reason for my feelings, for the upset situation between me and my Indian brothers. I was the only one in our tribe that could speak English fluently. I had translated the messages between the Indians, and the man in the red coat. The man in the red coat had lied, he had lied to me and this meant I had spoken lies to the Indian People. I felt responsible and helpless for what was happening to them. I knew the white mans ways, and despised him. I was caught in his deceptions. I was him, I was not him.
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My next life -was as a black slave girl in the south - during the Civil War. I was.......at the White man's mercy. Not a physical ailment, but my appearance made for a life time -of physical and emotional pain.
 
PL and guilt.

I have no way to prove this, but I believe that my stomach problems which have been going on since childhood may be related to that that I was once a ritual cannibalist. It has been thousands of years after that, and mainly my karma was paid when a shark ate me, and some residual maby when I was circumcized (=mutilated).

Sometimes I remember so vividly myself tearing a human being apart along my companions, and because my PLs have been somehow with me for years in my mind, and my stomach occasionally gets worse and worse (last summer there were 2 weeks I couldn't ate anything but blueberry soup) I think it must be guild in me that makes me suffer. My stomach just won't let me have a one good day without somehow bugging me.

What should I learn from this? "Don't eat human beings"?

Oh dear.
 
Wisely said, mr. R!

I can't stop wondering WHAT it is in me that wants to keep going back and showing me all evil deeds I have done. I guess it goes on and on until I get immune to it.

On the other hand, it may be that there were certain people around those times I did what I did, and until the day I finally meet one of them, some important piece of the whole picture is missing. - And it's not that one mentioned life, it goes with all the lives I remember. I have never gotten the chance to actually meet somebody with whom to SHARE mutual rememberance. I regognize couple of people, nobody does it with me. My partner remembers his own lives and I remember mine, but we don't remember each others.

And it bugs me!
 
Hi Deborah...

I don't know if my condition is past-life related, but I'm believing that it might be. I am not able to have children. Tried almost everything imaginable to conceive but it's all been fruitless.

From what I know, in many of my past lives, children brought me tremendous heartache because I lost them to some sort of unfortunate circumstance...in one life, I left a fire unattended and the little shack that I lived in with my two young children caught fire...the children perished while I was out looking for more wood. In another life, I didn't know of an approaching tidal wave and got caught in it, losing my life and the life of my young baby. There are so many more lives in which I lost my child or children.

There was one life in which I didn't want the child and chose to ignore it (I guess a form of abuse)...leaving the care of the child to the maids and servants in the manor.

Maybe I am harbouring some sort of guilt...?

Cheers...

Jereldeen
 
You may be interested to hear that there is a type of Gestalt psychotherapy called Anger Therapy based on the idea that repressed anger manifests itself in physical problems. Physical problems can be cured when the repressed anger is released through psychotherapy (if the repressed anger is the cause of that particular problem.)
 
Anyone else have an experience that may relate to past life memories - physical ailments and guilt??

Buntaro - I have read about that. I imagine suppressed anger - can carry over for life times as well. ;)
 
Allergies

During my adult life it seems as though I am allergic to almost everything. Most of my allergies manifest themselves in either rashes (exzema) or hayfever, (itching watering eyes, and sneezing).

I have had exzema all my life, but the hayfever only became apparent when I was in my 20's, and it seems to worsen as I age. I noticed that the exzema gets worse when I am emotionally stressed.

I have often wondered why I have to suffer this particular affliction in this life. Did I do something in a past life that has brought this about? Since I have very little memory (bits and pieces) of past life recall; I have no answer for this. I don't know if this is related to guilt, karma, or spiritual advancement. Sometimes I feel that I could bare these afflictions better if I understood why I have to suffer them.
 
I have been wondering for a while what the lesson is that I must learn in this life.

Since childhood I had a lot of pain for various reasons. Often family and friends didn't believe me, they thought I was exaggerating.

More recently, actually 5 years ago I became ill with a chronic infection and again I have had to endure a lot of pain. And again close family members especially my dad believed I 'put it on' so I didn't have to work. My dad died at the beginning of 2005.

Last year I was finally better but was then diagnosed with a rare malignant tumour in my stomach, it must have grown there for a long time because it was huge. I have had major surgery and am doing and coping well.

I have learnt so far that there are lots of people who care about me and now I have started to care about myself. And I had felt disconnected from everything and everybody for a while, so this is real good progress.

Sometimes I have the feeling that I have done badly in a PL, I think I did abandon my kids.

What is it that I have not been listening to to receive such a harsh lesson?

Michaela
 
I don't believe that we are punished in that way for our past life issues, although our past lives surely can have an influence on us. Sometimes PL patterns can make it seem as if we are being punished, only because those patterns become the backdrop for lessons we need to learn; in other words they help us see our lessons.

To "prove" my point of view, I believe if we were being punished, that punishment would continue throughout our lifetime, and would not be resolved. Karma isn't about retribution and punishment but is about our actions and reactions, nothing more, as I see it.

John
 
Funny that you just mentioned this, Deborah, because I've been thinking about it lately. I have severe rheumatoid arthritis which is both very similar to my predecessor's illness and also, I feel, an unconscious attempt to hinder myself from action in the present life.


Specifically, my hands. I am limited to only a small amount of typing per day due to finger inflammation. I feel that my purpose, now, is to be a writer, yet this unconscious condition is holding me back.


Not only that, but both my current counterparts have blockages related to communication -- also in their hands! Both of them get shaky hands when they try to speak and express themselves. In my case, the hand trouble mainly affects writing and drawing... I can only draw with a mouse now, and only for short periods of time.


I truly hope that I am the only one of us who will get this illness. I am the oldest; perhaps the others will be spared it.


Our mutual predecessor was an artist, poet and writer who misused his ability to communicate. He started out very flexible and open-minded, but later became rigid and dogmatic, and ironically achieved the exact opposite of his original aim which was to promote human evolution, growth and potential. Eventually, became very ill, physical stiffness mirroring the mental rigidity. He got on drugs, and his life ended rather unpleasantly.


So, communication and creativity are very conflicted areas for us. To me, the hands symbolize the human capacity for creative action, and that is why the condition affects me there. My knees have also been very bad lately. I am hoping to find the solution and heal these problems, so I can get on with my life and destiny.


I think this is a repetition of the past life's illness which stems from the same unresolved causes.
 
Interesting question : angel


I have been sick with double pneumonia. The interesting thing is – I have had fevers ranging from 101 – 107 for well over a month – and many other symptoms associated with leukemia. Only – I don’t have leukemia. At least not in this lifetime.


We know that thoughts, feelings and emotions have a direct effect on the body – and so do those we have carried with us from a past life or lives. There is no reason for the persistent fevers – and the wacky blood work. Unless you stop to consider - that they are manifesting now due to feelings and emotions I held from within – as a child dying of leukemia.


I know what emotions were held in consciousness at the time of her death – guilt, shame and a sense of abandonment. She felt – she deserved this illness. Her sister told her she was being punished by God – and at 8 years old, she believed it. Much of this life has been surfacing over the past year or so – and many of the memories and emotions are related to repeating patterns in my present day life (which two people have pointed out to me).


Up to me to change 'em...


Aili
 
Very interesting, Aili! Do you think you'll heal faster now you've realized that? (I certainly hope so:D)
 
I'm sure she will. The illness seems to be associated with two PL experiences with same people and patterns.


I'm happy you took the time to reflect, Aili, and I'm sure it will help you enormously. (((((((Aili)))))))


Karoliina


PS. I wonder how many "mysterious" illnesses would be healed if all the people knew the possibilities working with your past lives holds?
 
Yes, that definitely is worth a thought. There was a story on the news here a few days ago about a woman, who had been been ill for years, but the doctors had not been able to diagnose her.


She was to ill to have a job, but since the doctors couldn't diagnose her she couldn't get money from the state. She wanted more money so she could go abroad and have doctors there look at her. I thought to myself that those money would be better spent on a regressionist. :)
 
Yeah, I have what seem to be tons of health problems, even though I'm pretty young, which I think may definitely be because of something that either I did, or was done to me, in past lives. I've had severe, recurring sicknesses since about the age of twelve - and also, since the age of twelve, even to this very day, I get these dangerously high fevers that happen mostly in the afternoon or night, and they just come up upon me out of the blue, causing my temperature to skyrocket until I feel like I could faint. But these fevers only last about ten or fifteen minutes at the most, usually. I think that fifteen minutes has been the record so far. I also have severe myopia (which thankfully hasn't appeared to get any worse in years!), bad headaches that no doctor has been able to explain yet, and all these ''female'' troubles and near-constant nausea that seems to have no underlying cause, either...I don't know what's wrong with me, but I've been to doctors for years about this stuff, and no one's been able to figure out anything yet, despite any number of tests or referals to other doctors.


As to the nausea, I've often wondered if I might have poisoned somebody in a past life I believe I lived in early Viking-age Scandinavia. I have memories of stirring a small cauldron of porridge, the kind people way back in the day used to make that was terribly healthy and included bran and a lot of different kinds of grain, and putting some of it into a wooden bowl for someone to later eat. I laced the porridge with some sort of highly poisonous mushroom. I remember that after I put the mushroom into the porridge, I actually felt worse about wasting that much perfectly good food, and I remember that the porridge had a slightly different smell, almost like a metallic sort of tang, after it was poisoned, which was more noticeable when the porridge was still hot.
 
Yes I wonder if something from a past life could affect our physical well being in this one. If it affects us emotionally, then it seems very possible that it could affect our physical health as well. Perhaps this could make certain individuals more vulnerable, yet I don't think that this would be too common. It makes me wonder about the psychosomatic affect, where mental health could affect physical health.
 
The birthmark over my stomach that I alluded to in earlier posts, might indicate a stomach wound in a Past Life (PL) which might lead to "problems" in this current life.


As long as I can remember I have had a "sensitive" stomach, so much that I have an extremely strong aversion to Emesis (throwing up, sorry about that picture!)


Also it might be from childhood training or from the PL problem, but except when I was on duty and had to, I have tried to eat slower, so much that I take over twice as long as most people to eat.


However this concept is a good idea anyway, as some people "breathe" their food down and then rush on to the next crisis, while eating slowly allows one to savor the taste of the food and enjoy it more (sadly in retirement, I seem to "enjoy" food too much! :laugh:)
 
I have never suffered from any ailments, as such, but when I was younger, I was terribly thin. I am 6ft tall and, throughout my twenties, and well into my thirties, I weighed no more than 9 1/2 stones. I looked permanently gaunt - you could count my ribs. My BMI was way too low. As a result, I was very underconfident socially, and had trouble forming relationships with the opposite sex - probably more because of perceived unattractiveness on my part, rather than any other reason. At least I like to think so...


Anyway, I did start to put on weight as I entered my late thirties. I'm forty-eight now, and weigh a much healthier 12 1/2 stones. In fact, a doctor I consulted when i was younger told me I was naturally ectomorphic and had a metabolism that burned calories like that of a hamster, but that I would put on weight as I got older and my metabolism slowed. Which, of course, is exactly what happened.


However, neither of my parents, or my two brothers, seems to share the same kind of body morph. In fact, in the case of my brothers, they are both toned and muscular, leaving me - the eldest - very much the runt of the litter!


So i have often wondered whether or not lack of weight in my earlier years is at all karmic in nature, or purely physiological? Perhaps I should add that I'm not aware of any ill defined feelings of guilt, but I've always felt underserving of happiness, and of achieving the things that others seem to take for granted, such as a wife, children, stable home life, etc.
 
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