Proof or Healing which is more important?
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Healing is the most important, finding 'proof' is just for fun.
Mere Dreamer
Senior Registered
I think proof sometimes helps the healing "take" so I wouldn't call it irrelevant, but proof can be hard to come by while healing is clearly possible with or without it. The system itself (as most of us seem to experience it) might be said to imply that healing is the more important aspect of the process.
I'd agree.
In my view the point of discovering Past Lives is to find out our souls tendencies of it's many journeys so we can set our aspirations to the highest while knowing what our soul Wills to do. Healing is a natural byproduct of this. The proof is secondary to the lessons but it really helps with 'It's all real!' part.
KenJ
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As Mere Dreamer stated, proof (or understanding) can lead to healing and, if there is no healing required then Healing would be unimportant. If Healing was needed then it would be more important than proof.
Personally, my (this-life) experiences led me to the realization of reincarnation which blunted (somewhat) the life-changing injury I later experienced (mentioned elsewhere) when I lost the use of three limbs and numerous other abilities like the ability to produce the sound I know is correct (can no longer carry a tune). I don't mean to imply anything about the poll, but for me, my interest is learning what I have left "unlearned" in this lifetime. I do not feel the need to be healed nor do I feel that further proof required (although it would be nice). I have sorted out several themes of this incarnation and am pleased with the attributes that I/we chose to deal with the injury I sustained. Another "learning" was about love, I just wonder what else I'm not aware of.
At this time in my life I find it interesting how the personality-type that was chosen helped me lead a reasonably normal life while seemingly in conflict with being either loving or lovable, but somehow it has worked out.
Personally, my (this-life) experiences led me to the realization of reincarnation which blunted (somewhat) the life-changing injury I later experienced (mentioned elsewhere) when I lost the use of three limbs and numerous other abilities like the ability to produce the sound I know is correct (can no longer carry a tune). I don't mean to imply anything about the poll, but for me, my interest is learning what I have left "unlearned" in this lifetime. I do not feel the need to be healed nor do I feel that further proof required (although it would be nice). I have sorted out several themes of this incarnation and am pleased with the attributes that I/we chose to deal with the injury I sustained. Another "learning" was about love, I just wonder what else I'm not aware of.
At this time in my life I find it interesting how the personality-type that was chosen helped me lead a reasonably normal life while seemingly in conflict with being either loving or lovable, but somehow it has worked out.
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It depends ... how much it hurts.
The first thing I asked under self-hypnosis was "What lesson did I incarnate to learn in this life?". The "answer" came immediately, it was simple and a little intriguing. Now, it makes a lot of sense.
OK Another question. Proof is the search for Who was I? Evidence, facts, research all fall into play. Healing has to do with emotions, Love, loss, shame, guilt, physical trauma etc..
What about Why am I? For example, I became very passionate about expressing the issues regarding children around the world in my art back in 1994. Found myself in Moscow, Russia showing my work and lecturing 1997, then in Nairobi ,Africa 1998, visiting orphanages, lecturing at Universities and then in Columbia, South America 1999. Doing the same. Became a catalyst for organizations around the world pointing them to each other and connecting those who sought to help children in their countries. And of course 20 years here helping Carol.
Why the drive to help children? On a mission? I found out possibly WHY when I did a regression with Carol in 2014. I'll explain later my experience but do any of you find yourself doing what you do NOW based on a life from "before." I might make this a separate thread later.
What about Why am I? For example, I became very passionate about expressing the issues regarding children around the world in my art back in 1994. Found myself in Moscow, Russia showing my work and lecturing 1997, then in Nairobi ,Africa 1998, visiting orphanages, lecturing at Universities and then in Columbia, South America 1999. Doing the same. Became a catalyst for organizations around the world pointing them to each other and connecting those who sought to help children in their countries. And of course 20 years here helping Carol.
Why the drive to help children? On a mission? I found out possibly WHY when I did a regression with Carol in 2014. I'll explain later my experience but do any of you find yourself doing what you do NOW based on a life from "before." I might make this a separate thread later.
All the lessons I had to learn, during my past lives I regressed to, had a one word title. They were always about me, not about accomplishing something with or onto others.
I had one lesson titled "mission", and it stood out for the regret I felt while passing on. That life tied me very much into the earthly plane where I felt important and good, so when I died and realized that this was just a small part of a much bigger thing, diminishing the importance I was feeling, I felt disappointed: I didn't want to leave that. I had to force myself to turn towards the light.
My take away from that lesson was that the feeling of having a "mission" made me "proud" in the biblical sense, and led me into making karmic mistakes.
I had one lesson titled "mission", and it stood out for the regret I felt while passing on. That life tied me very much into the earthly plane where I felt important and good, so when I died and realized that this was just a small part of a much bigger thing, diminishing the importance I was feeling, I felt disappointed: I didn't want to leave that. I had to force myself to turn towards the light.
My take away from that lesson was that the feeling of having a "mission" made me "proud" in the biblical sense, and led me into making karmic mistakes.
Hi baro-san.
That's very true - "they were always about me." How we act or react to a given situation creates karma, future life times, and current situations even in the now. Interesting you felt regret as you passed. Thank you for sharing that.
For me, the mission didn't make me feel proud, it made me feel inadequate, helpless, frustrated with the powers that be. (Church and State) 1300's. My session with Carol was very healing, laced with validations. I am asking this question because I think I need two more chapters in my book, and this set of questions seems to be key.
That's very true - "they were always about me." How we act or react to a given situation creates karma, future life times, and current situations even in the now. Interesting you felt regret as you passed. Thank you for sharing that.
For me, the mission didn't make me feel proud, it made me feel inadequate, helpless, frustrated with the powers that be. (Church and State) 1300's. My session with Carol was very healing, laced with validations. I am asking this question because I think I need two more chapters in my book, and this set of questions seems to be key.
I pay special attention not to rationalize anything I get from my experiences, neither during, nor afterwards.
During my "mission" life I was feeling that I was doing good, important work. The older I got the more so. Then, when I realized I was dead, I felt regret for not being able to continue my work. So, while alive I didn't feel "pride" (in the sense of hubris), but in afterlife, looking back at the life that just ended, I had a different perspective: I exhibited "pride" because I felt I was on a "mission" (!). I mean "pride" as antonym to "humility".
There are people that being convinced they're right, especially when they think that they work for the others' benefit, and when they sacrifice something, aren't aware they're somewhat wrong, or even completely wrong. Think about terrorists, inquisitors, all kind of activists ...
I noticed that in all my regressions I wasn't able to see the purpose / lesson of that life until I passed. Notably, the exception is my current life: while under self-hypnosis, before getting into any regression / progression, I asked "What is the lesson I came to learn in this life?", and I instantaneously got my one-word answer.
During my "mission" life I was feeling that I was doing good, important work. The older I got the more so. Then, when I realized I was dead, I felt regret for not being able to continue my work. So, while alive I didn't feel "pride" (in the sense of hubris), but in afterlife, looking back at the life that just ended, I had a different perspective: I exhibited "pride" because I felt I was on a "mission" (!). I mean "pride" as antonym to "humility".
There are people that being convinced they're right, especially when they think that they work for the others' benefit, and when they sacrifice something, aren't aware they're somewhat wrong, or even completely wrong. Think about terrorists, inquisitors, all kind of activists ...
I noticed that in all my regressions I wasn't able to see the purpose / lesson of that life until I passed. Notably, the exception is my current life: while under self-hypnosis, before getting into any regression / progression, I asked "What is the lesson I came to learn in this life?", and I instantaneously got my one-word answer.
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John Tat
Senior Registered
It's difficult for me to relate to anything talked about on this thread....I have no such feelings... I feel no connections at all to the physical entities I.. BB has occupied They have all died never to return They are of no concern to me.. I suppose not knowing who they were does contribute to that.. I only have memories of events.. Even in my most recent incarnation I.. BB occupied a WWII pilot .. The only memory I have of him is how he died... BB is certainly not "all sugar and spice and everything nice".. He can be brutal to my source.. Some of the memories I have of "our" incarnations could not be described in any other way other than they are extremely violent..Violence does not appear to phase BB... On the other hand he can be the complete opposite.. He is a product of where he has come from and what he has done... He has no feelings of remorse anymore than he believes he is on some wonderful journey that is taking him to a place of peace and goodwill.. He is who he is....
I voted proof, but it changes depending on how I'm feeling, where I am on the situation, etc. It's been a lifetime of rollercoaster-like emotions, so where 'proof' comes in to ensure I'm not crazy nor making it up/talking about it with select others, there are times where I turn inward and the 'healing' bit is what I need.
Viktoria Duda
Member
In the past life regression context I would say healing, simply because here it is extremely difficult to find proof. (If we just think of the nature of memory, for example through the experiments conducted by Elisabeth Loftus, we can see that human memory is creative, not static - the present influences the past.) When healing (or spiritual insights) occur, the experience is valuable for us and we shall not dismiss it as non-sense: regardless how historically true our experience is , in any case it is psychologically true. That is the important thing in the therapeutic context. This, of course, doesn't mean that it wouldn't be interesting (AND important) to prove reincarnation. However, I believe spontaneous memories of children (as collected for instance by Jim Tucker) suit better for that purpose. (Those memories are spontaneous, there is no agenda, and small children have yet had less time to be influenced by their present lives.)
The "Search For Grace", by Dr. Bruce Goldberg, is claimed to be a true story of murder and reincarnation, and it was featured as a CBS movie. A CBS investigative reporter checked the details, and a couple of inconsistencies between the regression and his investigation, when dug deeper, proved to be correct on the regression side.
In my experience, all the self-hypnosis regressions I had yielded only answers that make sense, although they're no actual proof. I paid special attention not to rationalize the answers I get. I'm also trying to pay attention to short term progression information, from a couple of months to a few years, to see how accurate it is.
In my experience, all the self-hypnosis regressions I had yielded only answers that make sense, although they're no actual proof. I paid special attention not to rationalize the answers I get. I'm also trying to pay attention to short term progression information, from a couple of months to a few years, to see how accurate it is.
I think healing is the most important. If you are emotionally suffering now, because of a PL trauma, I think remembering the emotions one had in that PL and trying to let them go in the NOW if they bothered and still bother us, is far more important than proofing that your memory is historically correct. If it is real for you and remembering helps you heal, so that you can go on NOW and be freed of that emotional burden, I think that is a meaningful purpose for remembering a PL. As someone said before in this thread, proving the historical accuracy of your memories can be fun, but after all, those memories are from the PAST, and it is the NOW that is important for the spiritual journey we chose for this present incarnation.