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Religion,atheism,heresy = G0d karma?

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Sarellah

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Trigger alert for strong believers in their religion: This may not sit well with you, but this is just my opinion...take it with a grain of salt :)

Okay so I had the thought that just like we have karma with other people and places, we also have karma with G0d. And being religious or being an atheist is a way to clear that karma. My theory is that G0d wants us or we want to believe something or nothing and follow certain laws or actions for a certain amount of time until the karma is cleared. The reason we change beliefs in the middle of lifetimes can be that we cleared the karma before the life is over.

For example:
Hindus = only saw one side of G0d; need to see G0d as multi-faceted
Witches = let G0d overpower them; need to be empowered
Mainstream Christians = felt hopeless or destructive, need to feel saved and protected
Mainstream Jews = spent too much time in belief, not enough time in action (mitzvot)
Orthodox Christians & Jews = too disorganized and careless with G0d, need to do rituals and follow more laws to develop a healthy relationship
Heretics = one or many bad experiences with religion
Atheists = too much time spend thinking about G0d, need to focus on other things

Those are just a few examples. Please mention any others you can think of.

At the end of the cycle, every religion is loved and forgiven because it teaches and inspires. However, this person feels no attachment to any religion or belief and feels free to communicate with the divine in any way their heart desires.

I am Jewish but only a believer in some of the aspects and I always thought that I had to 100% believe in everything written in the Torah like stoning gays and selling women into slavery to be "true" to Judaism, but after I thought of this theory, I don't think being religious yet discerning is hypocritical but a way to clear your karma with G0d and still not do anything too crazy or harmful.

By the way, if you either believe everything your religion teaches or simply think your religion is more than just a way to clear G0d karma, then disregard this and believe what makes you happy. After all, our lives are short and the world needs more happy people :)

By the way my mom thinks we only have karma with people...not with G0d...however she doesn't believe in religion, but thinks it's acceptable.
 
interesting thread...


I have seen nothing that would show that god cares what religion we are when on earth


maybe god does not care at all
 
I am actually not saying G0d cares.


I am saying we care our about our relationship with G0d.


And every life we form a different relationship with Him.


Which builds karmic energy and we need to resolve the energy buildup by neutralizing some of the choices we made.


I don't think He actually wants anything from us, except for us to experience Him with a clear mind...which may take many lifetimes of being in different religions and attitudes toward G0d until the karma is cleared, and we see Him without attachment to dogma or complicated beliefs that we associate with Him.


But He doesn't want us to go straight to that stage unless we have experienced everything else...


I am not sure that makes sense...


I have a weird way of seeing things lol


It's kind of like how you can only learn non-attachment after allowing yourself to feel desire, jealousy, greed, etc. for a certain amount of time until the karmic attachments are cleared...I think in the same way we can only feel free to love G0d without dogma if we have spent a certain amount of time being in certain religions...believing in them, following their laws, and learning about them.
 
Sarellah said:
.....which may take many lifetimes of being in different religions and attitudes toward G0d until the karma is cleared, and we see Him without attachment to dogma or complicated beliefs that we associate with Him.
But He doesn't want us to go straight to that stage unless we have experienced everything else...
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I "get" this idea, and I really like it. The idea that we must experience dogma before we can love the Divine fully resonates with me. After all, we have to experience everything else - different races, nationalities, sexes. Perhaps that is the way we learn to love ourselves, and it parallels the journey toward loving God.
 
Exactly! I feel like experiencing BEING different types of people makes us appreciate loving ourselves as everyone AND being loved by G0d as everyone. And worshiping G0d in different ways or seeing Him in different perspectives helps us know all the ways we can love HIM.


Have you ever read "Conversations with G0d"? One of the main teachings of the book (and it's funny cuz the book is heretic yet sounds like it's teaching Kabbalah) is that in order to experience what we are, we must experience being what we are not. That includes people seeing us as someone else, and treating us like someone else, to sharpen both our perspectives of us when we teach them who we really are. Likewise, maybe G0d needs to experience Himself through us as being someone He is not so when we "find" Him As He Is, not only will we realize His true nature, but He will too. Maybe He's in a process of self-discovery along with us :)
 
You left out Islam. Where would they fall in your list? Also, where would pagans and heathens (the classical definition) fall?
 
I didn't make a long list so people could add in their own, as I suggested...did you miss that?


I think paganism goes along with Hinduism (Hinduism is a type of paganism)...needing to learn to find the divine in many forms, instead of just one :)


I don't know a lot about Islam, but I know Muslims call themselves "servants of G0d" so maybe in their past life they were more controlling of others and in this life they need to learn to control themselves? (Explains the Taliban)


By the way I don't fully believe this theory but I think I have a lot of beliefs I initially thought were conflicting but I now realize are not... I could share a few if someone wanted me to...
 
Had a headache this morning. Must have missed the "add your own" line. Oopsie! *toddles off to find aspirin...*
 
Good thinking! It's an interesting theory. Explains why many people feel very strongly about some aspects of religion, often far more so than you'd think they would from simply life experiences.
 
Sarellah said:
Exactly! I feel like experiencing BEING different types of people makes us appreciate loving ourselves as everyone AND being loved by G0d as everyone. And worshiping G0d in different ways or seeing Him in different perspectives helps us know all the ways we can love HIM.
Have you ever read "Conversations with G0d"? One of the main teachings of the book (and it's funny cuz the book is heretic yet sounds like it's teaching Kabbalah) is that in order to experience what we are, we must experience being what we are not. That includes people seeing us as someone else, and treating us like someone else, to sharpen both our perspectives of us when we teach them who we really are. Likewise, maybe G0d needs to experience Himself through us as being someone He is not so when we "find" Him As He Is, not only will we realize His true nature, but He will too. Maybe He's in a process of self-discovery along with us :)
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This ties in with someone I thought once before. There are a lot of people who hate God based on things he may have done a long long time ago (I'm referring to the Old Testament so I'm referring particularly to Christianity - whether the things in the Old Testament are true or not, I don't know, but I do know that I believe in God, even if he is not necessarily the exact God of the Bible) and they use these stories as justification for their hatred and sneering.


But then I thought, if God is supposed to be a father to us all, what's to say he hasn't made mistakes in the beginning, just like we humans do and like many parents do? Maybe he was that angry, jealous God that he was portrayed to be - but all parents learn from the mistakes they made and they grow from it. And as children, we should forgive a parent for anything they did that hurt us - because isn't religion truly all about forgiveness and love? If God made us based on his own image then it makes sense - he is not perfect himself, he has his flaws but also the capacity to be something brilliant. He may have started out just as we all start out as souls on this earth - immature, inexperienced, easily giving in to our negative emotions. And over many lives, just like him over many years, we experience things that ultimately lead us to qualities and virtues that mould us into forgiving, loving compassionate beings. God is probably exactly the same as us in this sense and we have been far too hard on him.
 
Interesting thoughts and wonderfully put! And who knows? It may be true. I will never claim to understand G0d's nature :)
 
Now Sarellah I saw this the other day and never commented. Personally I thought this was interesting and something to really think about and consider. I personally do have a strong belief in a Creator Spirit but more follow the Native American path. Now I find it interesting that how many belief systems that are out there like Judism, Christianity, Islam, etc. had there origins in the Middle East which was also the origins of civilized humanity. I personally have always been attracted to the more Hunter-Gatherer belief systems which goes along with my many past lives in Hunter-Gatherer groups like the Native Americans.


Now if one was to take a look into belioef syaytems and cultures then one should listen to Joseph Campbell's 'Power Of Myth' which is really excellent. But thanks for posting and indeed something to consider. Wishing Everyone the Best!
 
My view of God is very similar to Skye's. I believe he was the terrible, Old Testament Jehovah, and learns through us. I think He has evolved. Recently, I've been playing with the idea that reality is created by human thought. If so, as we change, the God energy changes with us. I think that "heaven" may be a consensus reality, formed by centuries of human thought. Therefore, the afterlife is what we expect it to be, formed by our culture, and religious orientation. Jesus is reputed to have said, "In my Father's house there are many mansions." I always interpreted that to mean that Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc., dwell in an afterlife that fits their expectations.
 
I don't believe in the God the bible really describe


I would been smited along time ago.


There have been some instances where I yell at god.


When thunder and lighting is happening.


"Do Your Worst" while standing in the middle of it


Of course nothing happens.


There is god but I consider him an absentee father.


There many times I scream at thin air


expect him listen my rants Why,? did you do this


to me scenario.


I looked on the face of almighty


Couldn't help self I started to shout.!


How come you made of mess of things how come


you didn't work it out?


He said, someone always hates someone.


There's so much love for everyone but someone


always hates some


By Mike & The Mechanics Someone always hates someone.
 
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