Soul basics

[KenJ]

What sort of structure do you envisage Ken, when you ask yourself that question?

I expressed most of that earlier in this thread. However, I could add that I think of it as energy of some kind, not something with mass or physical attributes. I do not share your conservative opinion that it is so "dense" or "unitary" that it can not be divided into separate personalities or parts as you stated in another post.


To go even further out on a limb, I have comfortable feelings about "Souls" exist in order to experience what has been created. This of course would indicate an intelligent force in creation itself which can be distorted into a religion.


The divisibility and recombining, to me, allows for most of the things that are reported to be feasible. But, my interest in getting feedback was the reason I started this thread.

 

[Eowyn]

DKing, your post impressed me. I'm working on a theory that also involves "vibration" (though not the usual "spiritual vibration" most people think of, but "real, quantum physical vibration", if that exists), and your explanation of what the soul and spirit are fits perfectly with my ideas.


I think our "consciousness" (spirit, higher self or whatever --to you it seems the soul is over the spirit-- all these different terms are so confusing) needs to "adapt" to these denser, low frequency states such as the soul, astral body, physical body and so on. In that descend we create these different "layers", and while we do so, our "state of consciousness" gets smaller. Then when we die they get destroyed, we get rid of all those layers as we expand again to higher frequencies, regaining again our higher state of consciousness.


That's the best I can explain with my limited human words.


I especially liked this part:

What I can NOT comprehend while I am in the body -- will come to me naturally when I step out into spirit. What the 'spirit' does NOT understand - will come to it naturally -- once it steps up into the higher frequency range of the 'soul' that is created in the image of the Creator of all life.

You already feel that when you have an OBE, and still you know nothing. It's surprising that many people think that's all, that is, things are so simple and there are only two "states", body (physical) and soul (non-physical), and fail to see there are many other stages in-between.

 

[Mere Dreamer]

I think our "consciousness" (spirit, higher self or whatever --to you it seems the soul is over the spirit-- all these different terms are so confusing) needs to "adapt" to these denser, low frequency states such as the soul, astral body, physical body and so on. In that descend we create these different "layers", and while we do so, our "state of consciousness" gets smaller. Then when we die they get destroyed, we get rid of all those layers as we expand again to higher frequencies, regaining again our higher state of consciousness.

My "small version" of this idea to help me wrap my mind around it has to do with online games. There's this digital world that my current body can't enter, so I create an avatar that has the ability to interact with that world. It comes with its own characteristics and skill sets, that don't encompass everything I can really do IRL.


Still, it's "me" running around in that digital world. My thoughts are being transmitted in chats between characters. My idea of how to play the game controls what actions I choose out of those available in-game.


Then, I imagine being in-game and forgetting that I'm anything other than the avatar ... or I have this vague idea there's more to me, but I'm not sure what it's like to do or be anything beyond being a player in the game.


Whenever I connect upward, it's a bit like having a glimpse of "the denser and more solid" version of myself. At that level I am never worried or overwhelmed, because everything fits within a "game-plan" that this body doesn't need to see or understand in order for it to work out.


While this life has more meaning than playing a digital game online, it is still a system construct for which this body-mind has been designed (in order to interact here) and I am constrained to the choices that fit within the fabric of this world and the limits of my physical structure.


Based on my limited understanding:


1. There is this physical mind/body that connects into this world system, gathers information, and chatters away trying to comprehend and manage existence.


2. There is the watcher who bridges the gap between system and everything else, calmly keeps life moving forward, guides the mind into beneficial channels, and helps develop maturity and insight.


3. Then, there is the guardian who connects out of system, has all the resources, and understands the meaning of it all.


It's all "me" but from here (logged in avatar) I don't have the capacity (or bandwidth/senses) to actually experience the rest of myself while in system.

 

[Eowyn]

I like your analogy very much, Mere Dreamer. Only yesterday I was writing in one of my blogs that life is much like a videogame, you make choices and you get good or bad results. The difference is that we just can't go backwards and change that bad choice to make life evolve better, we just have to live with the consequences until we die (and sometimes even after we die... but not always). Possibly that's what makes life harder than a videogame. We always get a second chance, but it usually comes after death, and then you have to start it all over again.


One reason I loved the movie Avatar is how your mind could get into a different body, I think it was so similar to the process of reincarnation. I agree with you our different bodies/persons are just avatars, characters of the same "ME" who is much wiser and knows better what we're doing. We connect with our real selves in deep states of meditation, whenever we increase our frequency of vibration really (while we dream and get symbolic messages, for example; when we have conscious OBE's, in NDE's... and of course, when we die and succesively get rid of all those different layers until we become the real "ME" again). I was recently following a conversation in a forum (I don't think it was here) where someone was saying even without our brain there are filters between our "real knowledge" and us, and I find that's completely true. Each one of those layers is a filter that helps you move in each of those layers of reality, but at the same time they're a barrier preventing you from getting in touch with your higher self. Even when you're having a conscious OBE, you have your mind receiving and interpreting information, it's easy to get confused. I guess the closer we are to the spiritual world, the clearer our comprehension is. Probably this is the reason we get so different messages from all kind of entities about what the afterlife is like, and probably all of them are right.

 

[dking777]

I think our "consciousness" (spirit, higher self or whatever --to you it seems the soul is over the spirit-- all these different terms are so confusing) needs to "adapt" to these denser, low frequency states such as the soul, astral body, physical body and so on. In that descend we create these different "layers", and while we do so, our "state of consciousness" gets smaller. Then when we die they get destroyed, we get rid of all those layers as we expand again to higher frequencies, regaining again our higher state of consciousness.

It......that is what I called 'it' for many years. I didn't have a name or 'tag' I could attach to this 'one' in relationship to my spirit and human life. When the memory came back of the time it said ----"I am what some may call...." in reference to a worldly word.


As a child, I would describe my 'journey' into the light and would reference a period of 'shedding my long john's.' This was a reference to the 'layered' effect that took place for the sake of human consciousness. I couldn't get back into the physical body until I wrapped myself back into this 'layer' again.


You could stay in 'human awareness' or human consciousness and you would deal with the spirit world as if you were still in human form. Someone asked me once how I knew when I had advanced to the higher level. I told them,


"When you can see sound. You don't just hear it anymore. You see it."


Most people reference a 'tunnel' - but as a child - I reference it as a spiral similar to a sea shell. For me - that is when the sound came alive and transferred into a visual effect. The more 'in tune' you became with the 'spirit' side - the higher your freqency range and absorbotion rate increased. Knowledge behind the normal human mind would filter in. My reaction was always "how could I forget this." That is part and parcel of the reincarnation process. I don't know that it is forgetting as much as it is 'setting aside.' You always come back to it eventually.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[dking777]

You already feel that when you have an OBE, and still you know nothing. It's surprising that many people think that's all, that is, things are so simple and there are only two "states", body (physical) and soul (non-physical), and fail to see there are many other stages in-between.

There were many different 'avenues' into the spirit realm. I would have OBE's and retain my childish mind for the sake of learning. It would be knowledge I could bring back into my human mind when I returned. The higher advanced 'knowledge' was too hard for me to put into any sort of order for my childish mind.


The "NDE's" were a different avenue and there was something of a 'protocol' for a period - but - at the age of 9 - I grew tired of the same old routine.


There was a 'stage' between 'here' and 'there' where I would retreat to and I called it 'recess.' But, in that 'realm of spirit' - I could create anything I wanted and have it appear to me as very real. As a child, I created my own Disneyland where all the characters catered to me personally. In a sense, I could create my own heaven. I could describe it in vivid and rich detail when I returned to my physical body - but - having had so many experiences with this stage - I knew it was a 'fantasy' realm created out of my own childish imagination. It was what I wanted 'heaven' to be. But - it was a stage. I took advantage of this stage - out of boredom due to the multiple NDE's I had between the age of 6 and 9. The difference between imagination here -- and there -- was night and day.


But yes, there were many different 'stages' from the lower realm of vibration to the higher realm of light.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[Eowyn]

Thanks so much for your inputs, dking, it helps me understand how things work and build on my own hypotheses! :thumbsup:

The more 'in tune' you became with the 'spirit' side - the higher your freqency range and absorbotion rate increased. Knowledge behind the normal human mind would filter in. My reaction was always "how could I forget this." That is part and parcel of the reincarnation process. I don't know that it is forgetting as much as it is 'setting aside.' You always come back to it eventually.

I always compare it to looking into a microscope. As you focus in the smallest parts of a tissue, the rest just disappears. There's a whole world around you but you stop perceiving it, so I guess it's easy to forget too at the end. Imagine we needed to move into that tiny "universe" of a blood vessel, for example, we would need our consciousness to adapt to that frequency range and be wrapped in the "body" of a white cell to explore that universe in situ. But if we want, in a second we would be out and back in our "normal world".

But, in that 'realm of spirit' - I could create anything I wanted and have it appear to me as very real. As a child, I created my own Disneyland where all the characters catered to me personally. In a sense, I could create my own heaven. I could describe it in vivid and rich detail when I returned to my physical body - but - having had so many experiences with this stage - I knew it was a 'fantasy' realm created out of my own childish imagination. It was what I wanted 'heaven' to be. But - it was a stage. I took advantage of this stage - out of boredom due to the multiple NDE's I had between the age of 6 and 9. The difference between imagination here -- and there -- was night and day.

Again, this is what many astral travelers describe: that you can create your own reality while you're in that stage. And it's my impression that many people who experience NDE's are not even aware of this and take these "creations" as a reality. I guess this is similar to what happens with "trapped" ghosts.

 

[dking777]

Again, this is what many astral travelers describe: that you can create your own reality while you're in that stage. And it's my impression that many people who experience NDE's are not even aware of this and take these "creations" as a reality. I guess this is similar to what happens with "trapped" ghosts.

There was one NDE as a child where this lesson hit home for me and made an impression on my mind. I spoke about 'my recess' with an Aunt afterwards - and - I was a little cocky about it. I was always a little put off when adults claimed they had no knowledge of the things I had been exposed to on the 'other side.'


But I can recall talking to some cousins afterwards and used my own words. I was coming back 'full speed ahead' and was flying solo and when I got to the yard -- there was an 'angel' standing there motioning me to 'halt.' I had to throw on the brakes and skid to a halt in front of this 'divine being.' I thought I was returning to the physical realm - and the presence of this 'divine being' was usually an indication that I was going 'home' into the light. At that time and period in my young life - I was overwhelmed by that sort of experience and it would be a burden to my mind once I woke up back in the physical body again. I felt I was 'too awake' and 'too aware' to have to experience that magnitude of knowledge again. I was told, "Remember, that which you have just experienced was created by your own hand and not the hand of the Father."


I was a little cocky with the 'divine being' as well. "You stopped me to tell me that? I know that already. Why are you wasting my time?" My attitude back then was - if I could get a running start and jump back into my physical body 'full speed ahead' - I could avoid the pain associated with the trauma that led to the NDE. The 'divine being' told me that in the coming years - I may forget the fact that the reality I had experienced out of my body was by my own creation - and get confused when the memories returned in later years. I was always made aware that the memories would be buried in childhood and not return until I had a mature adult mind to look back in hindsight on my vast experiences.


But, reading the testimony of someone who claimed to have had a NDE -- is what triggered the memory about my own 'recess' adventure back in childhood when I spoke to my Aunt and several cousins about the 'Disneyland' I had created and made a 'heaven' for myself to play in. My Aunt was religious and had questioned me about my 'trip' to the other side. Of course, she was a little disappointed to hear me talk about Pluto and Mickey, rather than John and Jesus. I had made a big impression on my Aunt's mind because she had 'witnessed' my spirit returning to the body. She had seen my ghost outside my body and knew I had been somewhere because she had seen me come through the wall from outside. As far as her mind was concerned - I had wondered outside, sat under a tree and 'daydreamed' about Disneyland and had missed a chance to meet John, Mary and Jesus. Or, according to her - I should have put my mind to good use and 'daydreamed' about Mary, John and Jesus instead of cartoon characters.


But yes, I get the impression sometimes from reading other's testimony that maybe - just maybe my Aunt would have agreed that they put their mind to good use and daydreamed about the 'right thing' according to her religious mindset.


Reading your post - triggered the memory of me being stopped by the 'divine being' on the way back in and thought I would write it down and share it here. It is the first time I have recalled her 'halting' me and giving me that warning.


Sincerely,


DKing