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Hey Coke!

I do a lot of dreamwork also. Around January 1984 while I was in college, I had a dream series. I dreamt that I would not return to my usual summer job, that my friend also would not return, and that someone close to me had terminal cancer. This is the outcome of that series:

[*]My friend wrote me a letter in March and told me he would not be returning to work. Please note that he had been working there for years, had expected to return and there was no clue to me (conscious or unconscious) to trigger this.

[*]In May, my mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer (she died the following January) At the time, she and my dad were traveling and I heard after the dream series that she had not been feeling well. I had not indication or clue to her condition before this.

[*]Eventhough I fully expected to return to my summer job, my mother's terminal illness prevented me from returning. I needed to spend the time with my mother and it would have never been the same for me without my friend.

This kind of stuff has been happening my whole life, so I am used to it.

Just wanted to share my experience! I want to hear about the visits from your wife in your dreams- my mom still visits me in my dreams. though not as often. That's what they are, you know- visits from loved ones who have went to the other side in a manner that we can understand.

I'm so glad you're here and started this discussion!

Susie

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Free will allows me to choose my path, but my Higher Power lights the way....



[This message has been edited by Susie (edited 06-09-2001).]
 
Hey while everyone is explaining the unexplainable, can someone explain exactly what LOVE is for me?
catseye
 
Thank you, Coke, I think you are still just searching for that "ultimate experience". I do hope you will find it. Perhaps meditation would be a good means for this to happen. Don't forget to pay attention to the small daily miracles though, for I think the greatest answers are most often in them.

Your friend,

Charles
 
Okay, folks, we are being conned royally. I have to admit it that Coke (he/she) has done a good job of conning people on this forum. This whole thing is nothing but a work of fiction. My wife says she feels that Coke Smith is probably two teenagers, a boy and a girl, working together. They made this whole thing up and are having a lot of fun at our expense, especially Charles, who has gone to a lot of work to help Coke. Go back and read Coke's postings. They are just a work of fiction. First he says he is a scientist. Nobody would say that since he would identify his speciality. Then he is a teacher. Then he was marrried, now he is separated. Even his name is suspect. His first name is Coke, a drink or a drug. Nobody would name their child Coke. Then his last name is Smith, about as genaric as you can get. So go back and read these posting from Coke. They are nothing but a con job. He is seaching for the truth about reincarnation. Then he talked directly to Dr. Weiss, which is not too likely since he is so busy. This whole thing has been made up. Even the thing about his wife is sounds like something out a cheap romance novel. I have seen this same thing happen on other forums and it is usually teenagers that do it. The two of them must be laughing up a storm at how they have pulled one over on the people at the Reincarnation Forum. However, I will say that it has been an interesting deception on Coke's part and he/she can feel proud of themselves for how well they pulled it off. I do feel sorry for those of you that believed their story though. They had me going for a while too until I had my wife looked at it and got her feelings. Face up to it, we have been conned big time! Now let's have the "Truth Please."

Franklin.
 
Uuuuuuuuummmmmm.......

Before anyone has the chance to get...miffed...I would like to bring to attention that since there is no real way to tell if a person is lying about their personal life on a message board, that there's really no point in trying to argue.

Peace out,
--GK
 
Franklin:

What I have to say is delivered with all due respect.

First, we can only taste another man's struggles if we walk in their shoes and even then we don't have the whole story. Who are we to judge?

Truth is, this is a message board and many people are careful about what they share and word things in a way to protect other people who could come across our post and know from details that it regards them. Many use pseudonyms and give scattered facts regarding their lives. We share what we feel comfortable with at the time. I'm sure if we put posts together about many people we could say they are not telling all. As for Mr. Coke Smith, that is his real name and he is a teacher. I can assure you the information he has provided is correct.

I'm perplexed about why you and your wife are so adamant that this poster is trying to "con" us. Did you do any research on the person before posting? In the scheme of a bigger picture what is the pay off here?

Susie

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Free will allows me to choose my path, but my Higher Power lights the way....
 
AWWW c'mon Franklin! Lighten up... you know, get light. Hey, havent you ever heard of a science teacher?

Coke is a common Texas name. We call it a given name. A lot of folks call it a family name. One of our governors was Coke Stevenson.

Would you say there was never a Ima and Ura Hogg, twin daughters of one of our governors?

And what if it was a hoax by Cokes. It brought some good discussion to the board, a lot of insight and some personal sharing. If the guy is sincere, he got some good information and if he was insincere, he still got good information. We are not here to judge.

love and light, barbara

[This message has been edited by barbara (edited 06-09-2001).]
 
Well, I expected some of you to defend Coke even if he did con everyone. It is true that we can't aways know the truth of the posters, you have to agree that he started by giving us a challenge to prove that reincarnation existed. Then he did everything he could to make it look like reincarnation was not real. Coke was just making fun of everyone at our expense. This story for example of his dear wife that he lost 3 years ago. He is so in love with her that he has gone on a quest to find the truth about the afterlife. Then in another breath, he is telling us that he just got separated. Now get off of it! Would someone that is so in love with his dead wife run right out and get married again? His story is so full of holes that it looks like swiss cheese. Now I don't mind a good story, but when someone comes on here with the intent of making fun of the serious people on this forum, then I can't go along with that. I repeat, this Coke is a couple of high school teenagers, a boy and a girl, that has had a lot of fun at our expense. I will have to admit though that it was intertaining! Perhaps these two teenagers will have good careers as newpaper writers, Politicians, lawyers, or perhaps TV weather forcasters. Bill Clinton could take lessions from this pair!
 
Hi All

Well like everyone else here, whether Coke is “real” or not, is not the issue to me, as Barbara commented it has bought a good discussion to the board, and in my opinion, no-one has been laughed at, I certainly don’t feel betrayed, even if Coke “was” two kids having a giggle. I haven’t said anything in here I think undermines me or my beliefs and nothing Coke has said has made me think I was wrong…I am aware that everyone is individual, in persona, spirit, soul, beliefs, etc, etc…so if what lays well with me, doesn’t lay well with others, then so be it, I’m no less doubtful of my own self and “knowns”. Susie’s and Gatekeepers points are also very valid.

The difference in posts could be because someone is posting at work and home – I know when I post at home, I’m much more centred and concentrated on what I’m putting across…also it all depends on the time and state of mind of the person when answering, all these factors lead to different sides of us presenting themselves.

I think we should give Coke a break and allow this discussion to grow as it has been, your points have been noted Franklin and if you stand by them, then you can easily avoid this post…and if what you say is true…what has been lost??? I will personally believe Coke is Coke unless I AM proved otherwise.
 
Thank you, Kelly! Well said.

Susie


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Free will allows me to choose my path, but my Higher Power lights the way....
 
Hi all!

WOW! Gone to Seattle for the day and I come back to some raging fires! All of the directions I thought this conversation would go, this is DEFINITELY not one of them!!!

Like many of you said much more eloquently than I, what does it matter if I am real, the discussion was/is still great!

Franklin! Normally I wouldn't justify coments like yours with my thoughts, but I am so blown away by your postings I just had to ask you a few questions:

1) Why are you so MEAN? I am glad that this is a computer chat room and not a real room!

2) When you make such sweeping statements as you did, you should try to think of some other explanations or maybe that there were some other variables that you hadn't contemplated. Here are a couple examples of areas that you haven't given full thought:

"...First he says he is a scientist. Nobody would say that since he would identify his speciality. Then he is a teacher..."
Well, by definition, anyone holding higher degrees in any one of the accepted sciences is a scientist...What would it make him if he had three higher degrees????THINK ABOUT IT!!!And it would be a horrible situation in this country if our sience classes were not instructed by scientists!

"...Then he was marrried, now he is separated..."
Last time I read the law, I believe you can be both....either that or I really need to find a new lawyer!!!

"....This story for example of his dear wife that he lost 3 years ago. He is so in love with her that he has gone on a quest to find the truth about the afterlife. Then in another breath, he is telling us that he just got separated. Now get off of it! Would someone that is so in love with his dead wife run right out and get married again? ...."
WOW! This one hurt? Franklin! HAve you ever lost a wife? Who the hell are you to judge me for remarrying!? Have you ever felt the intense physical pain in your chest that doesn't stop for weeks when the most important person in your world is gone forever? Have you ever lost 30 pounds in just a couple three weeks because you haven't been able to eat? If you have lost a wife, then you would have a sense of what I am talking about. Even if your actions and decisions might be different, there are difinitely variables you have not considered! Man, you are a cold one!

3) I know that none of my entrys have been edited or prewritten, so it is not my best prose,but is what i have written so bad that I could be confused with high school kids!!!???? I am truly ashamed!

4) Why are you so afraid of me? I would have never expected to see your type of response! Maybe the correct question should be, should I be afraid????

5)"...This whole thing has been made up. Even the thing about his wife is sounds like something out a cheap romance novel...." Do you really think so? Should I try to write it up and publish it? Believe me - I have thought about this. I think it would be a pretty cool story about a man in a spiritual quest. But the problem is that I still don't have an ending!

Guys, let's try to stay focused!!!!
 
Okey dokey....it's getting a little hot in here.
Actually I believe Coke could be a scientist, mainly because he wants definitive FACTS about something that has to deal primarily with FAITH. Unfortunately FAITH is just that, believing without having photographic, categoric, and unbiased PROOF.
If he was a teenager I would vote for him, because if his mind is that searching now, he'd be awesome as a 38 year old. (I do believe you Coke)
Being remarried soon after the death of a beloved spouse is something that a lot of people do to try to generate their thoughts and emotions away from the pain and loss. Many of these marriages do fail because the previous relationship is not 'finished'. Just because one dies it does not neccessarily remove them from our lives.
(I have lost a great love in my life and I think he will always be with me, and anyone who enters my life is warned that a part of me will always belong to him.) Some people try to change their feelings of loss by remaking their lives, but unless they are truly ready for a refurbishing it can just make one's life full of more complications.
But that emptiness is there and sometimes it just becomes too much and it has to be filled with something. Some people use alcohol or drugs, others excercise radically or throw themselves into careers. Every one grieves differently.
I also understand how with some of the more well known psychics asking for 700 to a 1000 dollars for a session, it can look like a greedy con market. Unfortunately, supply and demand tend to escalate price. Some corner psychics are pure frauds. Some good psychics can read one person really well and bomb on someone else. It's a matter of connection. (You like some people for some unknown reason and can't stand others.)(So can some regular medical doctors.) Then there is also the sense of Psychics are unfortunately human, and can have BAD days.
Coke, the one thing I would like to offer is that the answers aren't realy OUT THERE, in Bhatswana or the Andes. The answers you seek are between you and your wife, and if you ask her, I know she will try to answer you. But you have to have FAITH that she can, and that she loved you enough to succeed.
You won't get the answers here. Maybe some advice but not the answers that you seek. Those are within your own soul, and you are probably hurting so much that you are trying too hard.
Take a couple of days, clear your calendar, take a drive to a place that you and she enjoyed, play your favorite songs on the car stereo, sing along with them. AND then open your eyes, and LISTEN. She's not going to appear like Star Trek, but open yourself to the possibility that she will communicate. Maybe you shared a stupid little joke about a squirrel and while you're sitting on a beach some squirrel will show up and just sit and stare at you. (NOTE: SHE CANNOT MAKE IT TALK!)
You sound like you want to believe, but like me, you have to get beyond the pain, and maybe some kind of guilt you may think you deserve. That just clouds the issue.
Anything that you read will be stories, you have to experience something first hand, after all you are a Scorpio.
If you want to talk further, you can e-mail me.
catseye
 
Hi Coke, just a comment. Unless someone has lost a mate, they cannot imagine what another person feels. The love of my life after 37 years died. I felt so abandoned. After I finally decided not to kill myself, I met a guy and felt really strong feelings for him and thought my love had "sent him" to me. I honestly thought that. Fortunately, the feeling lasted less than a week. I still cant get rid of him, and decided I must have known him in a past life. (His wife was going to kill me, LOL).

So, there is a lot that goes on when you lose a loved one. I feel very close to my love. He's here with me, keeping me out of trouble, making me go on when I don't want to. Finding my car keys and glasses, making me get things done on my do-list. Giving me a hug when I feel lonely. He's still here, and I know he'll wait for me.... he better!

love, barbara
 
Hi Barbara! (and everyone!)

I love what you said about your loved one being gone and how he is still with you. I cannot even imagine the pain of losing a marriage partner, but my mother and two best friends have passed over. My mother died when I was 23 (17 years ago) and my friends died within 3 years of each other (within the last seven years). Mom shows herself every so often. I still sense my friend's prescence, see her smile, find something tucked away that she gave me. My other friend has visited me in dreams, and came in a dream to say goodbye to me the night he died. Even passed over, our loved ones are still with us- ALWAYS.

Susie


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Free will allows me to choose my path, but my Higher Power lights the way....
 
My mother recently lost her boyfriend (it was several months back) who she was very close too. They had an argument on the night of his birthday, he got drunk, hopped on his Harley, and plowed into a telephone pole while doing 70mph. My mother has always had really bad luck with men, but this just took the cake. I watched with a feeling of helplessness as she plummeted into a dark, dark hole of depression. Luckily, she was strong enough to move on.

I've never lost someone close to me in the manner of a mate/partner, but I have seen the affect it has. My best to ya, Coke.

--GK

P.S. I LIKE your name. It just so happens that "coke" is my favorite soft drink. :-)
 
Good God, I've also been away for the weekend and come back to find all this?

Coke, I have no doubt you are who you say you are. NO doubt. Nothing in anything you said have I found incoherent. In fact, I have a very good impression of you based on all you have said.

I feel I should mention that I know there are loads of con artists out there and that you must really learn to know who you can trust, and this can take time. It has taken me 11 years to trust the people in the line of religion I have been involved in and, even though, I still carry infinite doubts... It is only natural and part of our nature.

Peace!

Charles
 
Dorie, one of the things that Dr. Brian Weiss stated in one of his most recent books was that he never refers people to psychics for regression. He refers them to trained psychologists and psychiatrists. Dr. Weiss said the reason was that if the person needed further counseling due to the regression, the professional would be able to do it. So Dr. Weiss would have given Coke a list of professionals rather than a bunch of fakes. Also what would be the chances of someone talking directly to Dr. Weiss by calling his office. Heck, I can't even talk directly to my own doctor by calling his office. For some reason, Coke seems to want to discredit Dr. Weiss.
 
Hey All!

Thanks for everything! You have all been great! Best wishes!

Coke

Franklin - perhaps I irritate you so because of something I did in a previous life? Relax!!!
 
Hello All,

I just read this entire post....whew. I would like to say I don't think Coke is a fraud, I just don't get that feeling about him. I truly believe he came here searching for answers.

To Coke - The only place you will be able to find truth or "proof" is from within. I wish you all the best on your journey and I hope you find what you are looking for. I would also like to recommened a medium to you. Her name is Dr. Vicki Monroe. I had a reading with her a few months ago and she told me things she couldn't possibly have made up. I have always wanted to believe in the other side etc but my session with her confirmed it for me and put my heart at ease. Her website is www.vickimonroe.com if you would like her phone # let me know, she does phone readings as well as readings in person but since you are in the northwest and we are northeast face to face may not be possible.

Bright Blessings,
Brin

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Dream as if you will live forever, Live as if you will die tomorrow...
 
Franklin, Dorie:

With all due respect:

For me, this thread is not about whether someone is a fraud, it's about addressing this unfounded judgement upon another person. It shows me how it's important to investigate the facts of any situation to find the truth, which is what I've done here. Hey, you could read my posts and decide I'm a fraud, and I likewise. Is there really in growth in that? We are ALL here for information and the exchange of ideas. Who cares what someone is or is not in their private life, or what they choose to share here.

No judgement, just needed to share...

Susie

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Free will allows me to choose my path, but my Higher Power lights the way....



[This message has been edited by Susie (edited 06-12-2001).]
 
Hi Dorie:

I was not judging but making observations based on your and Franklin's recent posts, and my intent was not to offend. This is a spiritual message board for the exchange of ideas and information and it bothers me greatly that a poster's character (for lack of a better word, ie discussing the validity of Coke's information provided) is put on the carpet. That's where my frown face comes from.

Susie
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Free will allows me to choose my path, but my Higher Power lights the way....



[This message has been edited by Susie (edited 06-13-2001).]
 
Hi All

Well I’ve been away for a few days and did not expect to come back to this, as I thought I made it quite clear in my last post that the importance was in the discussion and not in the proving or disproving of certain characters and I truly believed the discussion would move on forward from there.

The fact is, Coke isn’t the only member to have got this response before in this forum, flare ups happen rarely, but they do still happen, and generally, it’s all about mis-interpretation and misunderstandings, that is often the downfall of communicating with loads of different people, from different backgrounds, countries, religions, cultures, ideas, etc, etc, all throwing in their ideas in a small compact post with no face or personal reference past their chosen words.

I think the discussion in here, when it has stuck to topic has been very full and sincere and a lot of people have probably reaffirmed a lot of their own ideas amongst their own questionings when replying and debating the topic at hand, it is unfortunate that has now been ended with such a sad/sour note.

I’m sure even Coke has walked away with a lot more than he expected from his first post and question in this forum. And the fact is, whether the judgements on Coke have been right or wrong, the discussion has never turned and been insulting or defamatory towards any other member apart from Coke, who has been the only one under any real attack.

So, I suggest this thread is finished and laid to rest - it has hit three pages now and basically gone away from the original intentions and questions, so maybe it can be reactivated under a different topic and question in the future, and we can get away from all that has occurred here on the sidelines.
 
psychic coincidence

Last night I came upon this old thread, read it through and was kind of grabbed by the intensity of it.

Later on I sit down with my wife who´s a psychic in training (she´s good:) ; after about only a half a year at it she´s got a real good "track record") to do some "linking"(that is hooking up with people in spirit form ), mainly for practice. Noone´s announcing themselves until ... my wife asks me: "Did you ever have a teacher...eeh[sounds funny but], a physics teacher with a name starting with a k (obviously "c" would sound the same) or possibly b." Well, no. Unfortunately I´ve always hated sience at school and have put out of my mind anything, including teachers, that had to do with it.

And that was pretty much that. She let whoever it was go shortly after since we didn´t have any real clue who it may be. Still, it´s funny. I hadn´t told her anything about yet about reading this and there was no way she new about any "sience teacher" being in my thoughts (except telepathically but I don´t think so in this case, there really seemed to be someone there...).
And of course I get a little curious and worried if Coke is still with us here in this dimension...(?)

But, of course, there is actually the chance this was a coincidence(and then it was a funny one).

(The name Frances, or Francis, came up to. May or may not have anything to do with it.)
 
Hi Coke,
U said that u've been to Vietnam. I suggest you follow the journey of some of famous psychics in finding MIAs in Vietnam. You may find some interestings, some beliefs or some explanations for the psychics ' success which are claimed and cannot be explained by scientists.
Due to the war, until now many families in Vietnam are trying to find the missing bodies of their relatives..but it is impossible..the country is so big..more than 20 years passed..
You may follow the whole process : some families around the country make date with the psychics..then how the psychics find out where the body was..the psychics will give the details maps ..the family will go to the place and look for...(digging)..when they find the body..they try to recognize by shape and things that are buried with the deceased person, make DNA tests..and to claim that is the correct person the family is trying to find.
So many success cases have been reported and broadcast. And the government must ask scientists to study these cases.
The success rate is 70%.
So I think by following the whole process , you can experience by yourself.
 
Please note.......................

Coke has not been here in over two years.
 
Just to add my 5 cents worth....

A scientist is just a person with a piece of paper...they still try to learn as much as the rest of us.
The world is such a mess, with a ridiculous amount of government cover-ups and media lies, that who really knows? Maybe it's already been proven scientifically. Wouldn't surprise me.
And just to vaguely contradict my last statement (not meaning to but I realise it will read that way), the very nature of reincarnation means that its a very very difficult subject to get hard evidence on. All proof is, essentially, anecdotal, no matter how scientific it is. Ian Stevenson's work is probably about as scientific as it can possibly get with today's methods. Personally I completely believe in the concept and think the guy is a legend, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you don't want to believe, then you won't. Same as if you don't want to be regressed or hypnotised you can't be...maybe this is why you feel all psychics or therapists are frauds?
 
Hello Coke!

I have not checked out this forum for quite some time and just today I looked at it and found this thread of yours. I am, more than likely, going to have a much different reaction than others because I have found this all very interesting.

Even though my response is very late as this is a very old thread! And Coke might not even read my response. Oh well, for what it's worth here goes...

I can agree with most of what you have said. I must comment you on your well put words. I too, have questioned much on this subject and many others. I too, look for the truth more than anything.

I do believe in reincarnation albeit without the religious significance attached to the idea. I do believe that there must be a scientific explanation to it. I believe because of my own experiences of it. I know this is certainly not proof though and will welcome a good explanation of it!

I will admit something though. I agree, there really is no proof at all! I am also skeptical of many who do believe and I sometimes think that perhaps they are mistaken on many things but the same could be said of me. All I know is that I have researched much about WWII to try and give some foundation to my dreams.

I am still searching for many of the same answers for myself. I do not know why I believe it is just that I do. I try to look for a logical way of explaining many things and I can not.

This probably is not quite what you were looking for but the thing is, I don't believe there is any proof at all. The experiences that I have had are the truth though, I can tell you that. But, explain it, no I can not.

Here is my story:
http://web.archive.org/web/20091027084739/http://geocities.com/axispastlife/wolftruppen.htm

Don't worry, I am not going to try to explain it all with religion because I do not lean towards any of those versions of reincarnation myself. I sort of have my own theory about it all and I am trying to look at it in a scientific way, if at all possible.

My guess is that perhaps we will never truly know what the truth is on this subject. That is, until we pass on ourselves. Then we will know.

Thank you for the very interesting thread!

Cheers,

Jonny Of The Wolfkin
 
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