What if?......

[medieval queen]

if we are reincarnated like i do believe, my theory is theres only so much room in heaven and hell so we are recycled again and again, but if so, then what happens to the relatives we had in life?, when you die some people might say that are loved ones greet us who passed away, i kinda have the hope i will see my gran and dog jessie when i go, and that also i see my kids when it is there time, but if we are already sent down and born again are our brains totally wiped clean so we have no recollection of our previous family, or are they written in someway into our new life? i also think that soon as we die we are born again within seconds, like the say when someone dies a baby is born,also with my mother being an evil alcoholic, i think maybe i must have been one in a previous life and now its my turn to be on the receiving end, to go threw pain i must have caused last time?, i dunno what does everybody else think? also am i right in saying theres part of the brain scientist havnt found the use for? i think its for when were dying it gives us a calming acceptance that our lives are over? just going on the fact a few of my husbands friends who died of cancer, never dwelled on the fact they were dyng and still made the most of there last days, they also said they wernt afraid?, and when my gran became ill 2 weeks before she passed, she knew without seeing a doctor that it was her time.......

 

[Stellaria]

Think about how long people have been on this planet. There is infinite possibilities for who you could have been, where you could have been, and what you might have learned or experienced in the process. We also have glimpses of the time between lives, from children who remember and say so.


There is time for anything, and room for anyone. Lives are short - like seconds on the clock in terms of eternity. There is the time and possibility to find anyone you need to, to experience anything you need to, to learn any lesson you need to.

 

[tanguerra]

if we are reincarnated like i do believe, my theory is theres only so much room in heaven and hell so we are recycled again and again, but if so, then what happens to the relatives we had in life?, when you die some people might say that are loved ones greet us who passed away, i kinda have the hope i will see my gran and dog jessie when i go, and that also i see my kids when it is there time...

So, first off nobody knows 110% the answer to all these questions, but based on what we do know about all this from the many, many personal accounts that have been written throughout history, I will answer as best I can. I'm sure others will have their own thoughts to add.


The soul does not occupy 'space' so there's no question of using up all the 'room' in "heaven" or "hell". There is no such thing as heaven or hell, by the way. There is only 'the other side' however you conceive that. It exists outside of time and space as we know it.


People are not punished or rewarded for their good or bad deeds. The experiences we have on Earth seem like a dream once we have 'passed over', just as the experiences of dreams are easily forgotten once we wake up. Just as in a dream, the blood isn't real and the harm isn't permanent, although they can be frightening, amusing or exhilarating we are all immortal so what we get up to on Earth is like what an actor gets up to in a movie. They can be used as teaching experiences of course. We can and do learn and grow from our 'mistakes'.


We live simultaneously in this world and the 'other one'. This world exists in time and the 'other one' exists outside it. I don't begin to know how this works, I just know that's what happens because that's what people describe happening. We are multi-dimensional beings. Our physical selves are only one aspect of our 'being'. So, it's a perfectly simple matter for relatives, who may even have already reincarnated, to greet us when we die.

...but if we are already sent down and born again are our brains totally wiped clean so we have no recollection of our previous family, or are they written in some way into our new life?...

There are no hard and fast rules and people's experiences are individual, but it's very common for friends and family to 'stick together' and meet up again from one life to the next. People refer to this as a 'soul group'. They don't always remember having known each other before (although, of course they often do) but they usually just feel 'at home' with each other. Have you ever had that feeling when you met someone that you just felt really comfortable with them right away? It's a pretty common experience. The flip side is when people meet someone and instantly have a 'bad feeling' about them for no apparent reason.


My view is people hang around together from one life to the next for the same reason that people do in this life - love. Love is the glue that binds the universe together. People talk about realising this when they die.


Our minds (I prefer to use the term mind to brain for this kind of thing because the 'brain' and the 'mind' are two different things) are indeed 'wiped clean' when we reincarnate, but not 'totally'. A lot of information is retained in the so-called 'subconscious' . In my view this is what people are really talking about when they refer to things like 'instinct' or 'intuition' or 'unconscious knowing' and the like.

 

[tanguerra]

...i also think that soon as we die we are born again within seconds, like the say when someone dies a baby is born,also with my mother being an evil alcoholic, i think maybe i must have been one in a previous life and now its my turn to be on the receiving end, to go threw pain i must have caused last time?

The 'time' between dying and being reborn can vary enormously between individuals. Again, there are no rules about this. Some people come straight back. Others have many years between incarnations. I read that in the olden days, when there were fewer people, the gap was much, much longer, but lately it's getting shorter because there are so many 'bodies' in need of a 'soul'. The timing depends on what the particular soul is up to. Some can't wait to get back. Others need a rest. Some want to hang about and wait for members of their soul group so they can go back together. It depends.


As for karma, again, it's individual in my view. Nobody is keeping score. Nobody is making people pay back for past wrongs or whatever. I know some people imagine a God (however you conceive her) sitting up in the sky like a giant puppet master controlling everyone, but I don't buy it personally.


People may decide they want to experience the flipside of an experience to see what it's like, in order to learn a new lesson. People may just get into bad habits - such as substance abuse, bad temper, vengefulness, whatever it might be - and find them hard to break from one life to the next. Some people are 'slow learners'. Some people are hard headed. Some people figure out pretty quickly that the secret to a good life is to moderate the way they interact with others. They work out that they will have a better and more interesting experience by not bashing their heads against a wall continually. Some of it's down to luck. Some of it's down to skills. Some people 'just ain't no good' and enjoy creating chaos and find it amusing. It's no simpler or more complex than that in my opinion, or any different from one life to the next than it is in this life.


There is no law that compels people to have good experiences or bad experiences. It's up to you what you make of your life, despite your circumstances. You can let your difficult childhood drag you down, or you can rise above it. Your choice. Life is life.


There are some very good books about all this stuff. I always recommend 'Exploring Reincarnation' by Dr Hans Ten Dam. You can get it on Amazon. It goes through the whole 'reincarnation thing' from historical references to the present day, regression therapy, life between lives, research by various people, the lot.


There is a forum section on recommended books.

 

[tanguerra]

...also am i right in saying theres part of the brain scientist havnt found the use for? i think its for when were dying it gives us a calming acceptance that our lives are over? just going on the fact a few of my husbands friends who died of cancer, never dwelled on the fact they were dyng and still made the most of there last days, they also said they wernt afraid?, and when my gran became ill 2 weeks before she passed, she knew without seeing a doctor that it was her time.......

The whole thing about only using part of our brains is a bit of an urban myth. My take on it is I think the 'soul' knows very well what's going on most of the time, being the part of us that is from the 'other dimension'.


The thing is most of us don't take the time to listen to what our soul is trying to tell us. We're too busy distracting ourselves with TV or loud music or rushing around doing stuff or making money or whatever it is. If you talk to people from some indigenous cultures, they often seem far more soulful, because perhaps, they are more in touch with their true natures, especially if they are living a quieter, less hectic life. Also, quite often, older people can seem more in tune with themselves, because they take more time to ponder things more deeply - although obviously this is individual.


Perhaps when we realise our time is coming to an end, our mind becomes quieter and the soul can communicate with it better, without all the hurly burly of life getting in the way?

 

[dking777]

..... when you die some people might say that are loved ones greet us who passed away, i kinda have the hope i will see my gran and dog jessie when i go, and that also i see my kids when it is there time, but if we are already sent down and born again are our brains totally wiped clean so we have no recollection of our previous family, or are they written in someway into our new life? ..

I had many 'near-death' experiences from the age of 6 onward. There was a stage (from 6 to age 9) when I was trying to talk about the 'trip into the light.' It would confuse my family because I would tell them - they were there. My Grandfather said, "How you putting me in my grave when I ain't even dead yet." I pointed at a family album and couldn't point my finger at many photographs and talk about my conversation I had shared with a 'particular' relative - many of which - had died before I was even born. I spoke about one particular 'gent' who looked like George Washington - or had lived during that time. Many of my relatives were aware of being a descendant and part of his Scottish Clan. He had died in 1780 - many, many years before I was born - but I knew him as one of my 'great, great-- and so - Grandpa's. He was sort of 'famous' for his time and that fame has garnished him an entry in Wikipedia. (Rev. John MacGowan.) My trips into the 'light' was always a family reunion - of every single person up my family tree. Every single branch, crack and crook was there.


Heaven? It is enormous. But is as tanguerra describes. There is no such thing as 'time' there. Eternity means, freedom from - or without time.


The way I tried to describe it many times to people in my childhood was - I would go outside and stand in the sunlight. I would cast a shadow of myself on the ground. I would dance around, wave my arms around - kick my feet in the air - and my shadow would do the same. That is what I defined the 'human body' as. The physical body is nothing but a 'shadow' cast by the light of our soul - which - never leaves heaven.


If the 'shadow' stops being cast - 'does' the Sun fall out of the sky? When a person dies, the shadow disappears - but the 'light of the soul' that cast the shadow (incarnation into the physical body) upon the 'earth' is exactly where it has always been.


This subject came up again in 1988 when I had witnesses to one of my 'near-death's.' I was 'gone' for a long time and people saw a 'corpse' come back to life and start talking to them - as if nothing had happened. (I was so used to it by then. They were not.) I started talking to the group individual to try and pass on some insights to them and the subject of an old Junior High classmate (and soul mate whom I had shared past lives with) came up. I was talking about our reunion in heaven - and how it was in part to make up for his absence at the 20 year reunion ahead. I had asked him to meet me there. My friend said I should contact his family and let them know he had made it to heaven. My response was,


"Why? He is still alive. He still has a shadow being cast in the world right now. He ain't scheduled to leave until later."


The 'light of the soul' that casts the shadow - is always in the light.


Your not going to miss out on any reunion in heaven with your family. Past, present - and future family members included. They are all where they have always been. In the light.


Sincerely,


DKing

 

[medieval queen]

thanks guys, tanguerra i notice you dont believe in heaven and hell, but i have an experience to make me feel differently, that when my gran was having a 4 hour operation to save her life, it was likely she wouldnt pull threw because of her age and it was an ruptured aneurysm in her stomach, and me and my younger sister were waiting in the hospital car park and it was a very hot summers day, then all of a sudden i saw what looked like a bright hole filled with pearly colours in the sky not far from the sun, i looked round and no one was looking, my sister could see it, (wooow getting emotional writting this!) and i knew it was a sign my sister thought it was a sign my gran was getting better but agreed to that to make her feel better, when i knew deep down that it was heaven waiting, like saying were ready for her, it was beautiful, and the 1st thing i checked for was if anything was reflecting in the carpark but i dont believe there was it was just something out of this world, but then i have doubts as to wether god exists because to me it seems like he created us and just left us to destroy ourselves, he could make an apearence and say stop all the wars, murders, evil etc, and i think he just gave up on us

 

[tanguerra]

That's a cool experience. I'm not saying there is no 'other side' or that it's not beautiful. I'm saying I don't buy the whole 'heaven and hell' thing.


In the olden days, I'm talking neolithic, people believed that the Earth was our mother and when we died, we returned to her. They imagined an afterlife that took place underground, not in the sky as we do now. They knew the souls of their ancestors were 'somewhere' because they felt they could communicate with them, sense their presence and so on, just as we do today. People would bury their loved ones under their houses to keep them close by. To them the Earth was a place of warmth and safety, like being in your mother's womb. The ancient Greeks also imagined an afterlife underground (Hades). It wasn't a place of torment or anything like that. It was just the 'land of the dead'.


Later, things began to change. I don't know why exactly, but people began to worship sky gods. Jehovah, the precursor to the Christian 'God' (however you conceive her) is a sky god. He is based on Zarathustra, who was a much older middle eastern sun god. The Egyptians also worshipped various sky gods and imagined an afterlife somewhere 'up there' in the sky. So did the vikings.


So, when Christianity came to Europe, this idea of an afterlife in the sky came with it. The concept of an afterlife underground was something from the old religions and was considered pagan and heretical. As we know the new church wanted to vilify anything to do with the old religions as 'devilish' so they came up with this whole 'hell' thing; a scary place where the pagan (horned) gods live and anyone who doesn't behave or conform, or go to church, or breaks a rule, goes there to be punished for all eternity. There is actually no mention of hell or eternal damnation or any of that in the Bible. Certainly Jesus never preached it. He preached love and forgiveness.


The whole 'hell thing' is just more medieval propaganda, supported by various mistranslations - often quite deliberate. It has more to say about the psychology of the people who ran the church in those times than what actually goes on in the 'afterlife' or the nature of God (however you conceive her).


https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/406-use-of-hell-in-the-new-testament-the


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell

but then i have doubts as to wether god exists because to me it seems like he created us and just left us to destroy ourselves, he could make an apearence and say stop all the wars, murders, evil etc, and i think he just gave up on us..

Similarly, my conception of 'God' differs greatly from the standard view. I don't think God (however you conceive her) is doing all this, and is certainly not responsible for murders, or evil or any of that. People do those things of their own free will and can stop any time they choose.


I think 'God' (however you conceive her) is part of everything, in everything and everywhere. I don't picture Her as a divine puppet master. I see it more as the 'light' or 'love'. People have a 'feeling' that there is something out there and I'm sure there is. I don't think it's a man in a dress sitting on a cloud, reading our minds, keeping tabs on our misdeeds, shooting the occasional lightning bolt at 'bad guys' and granting the occasional wish to the 'good guys'. Again, I think that concept of God says more about the mindset of its authors than it does about actual reality.

 

[medieval queen]

no i dont think god is responsible for murders, wars ect, but i think he could of intervened in someway maybe but the fear of god in people, lol